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tngirl
07-26-2008, 11:37 AM
Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080725/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_obama_s_note)

JERUSALEM - An Israeli newspaper's decision to publish a handwritten prayer left by Barack Obama in the cracks of Jerusalem's Western Wall drew criticism Friday as an invasion of his privacy and his relationship with God.

In the note, placed at Judaism's holiest site Thursday, Obama asks God to guide him and guard his family.
"Lord — Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins, and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will," reads the note published in Maariv.

Maariv ran a photograph of the note on its front page Friday. It said the note was removed from the wall by a Jewish seminary student immediately after Obama left.

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs would neither confirm nor deny the note was Obama's, but the handwriting was similar to another message written by the presidential candidate during his time in Israel this week.

The paper's decision to make the note public brought quick criticism from religious authorities. The rabbi in charge of the Western Wall, Shmuel Rabinovitz, called it an intrusion on Obama's intimate relationship with God.

"The notes placed between the stones of the Western Wall are between a person and his maker. It is forbidden to read them or make any use of them," Rabinovitz told Army Radio.

The newspaper's action "damages the Western Wall and damages the personal, deep part of every one of us that we keep to ourselves," he added.

Many visitors to the 2,000-year-old Western Wall leave notes in its crevices bearing requests and prayers. Obama placed a small note and then bowed his head during a pre-dawn visit Thursday, following a day spent in talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders.

The Western Wall is the lone remaining outer retaining wall of the second biblical Jewish temple, which was destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70. Revered as Judaism's holiest site, it stands where the Bible says King Solomon built the first Jewish Temple, which was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.

"It's inappropriate that the prayers of a person at the Western Wall should become a subject of public knowledge at all," said Jonathan Rosenblum, a Jerusalem-based analyst of the religious community and director of the Orthodox Am Ehad think tank.

"There is a rabbinic prohibition against reading other people's private communications, and certainly anyone who goes to the wall expects that those communication will be protected," Rosenblum said.

Another Israeli newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, published an article Friday saying it had also obtained the note but decided against publishing it out of respect for Obama's privacy. Nearly all other Israeli media ignored the story.
Thousands of notes and prayers are stuffed into the cracks of the wall. In recent years, the Western Wall Heritage Foundation, which operates the site, has opened a fax hot line and a Web site where people overseas can send their prayers and have them printed out and put in the wall.

The wall is emptied of its notes several times a year. The papers are treated as a prayer book and buried, rather than burned.

While Maariv drew criticism, the removal and publication of the note did not appear violate any laws. Police officials said they were not investigating the incident.

The handwriting appeared to match a message that Obama wrote Wednesday in the guest book at Yad Vashem, Israel's official Holocaust memorial. It was written on stationery from the King David Hotel, where Obama stayed while in Israel.

Obama signed the Yad Vashem message. The note from the Western Wall was unsigned.

At the Western Wall, Obama was greeted by a crowd of curious onlookers and photographers. He donned a white skullcap, listened to a rabbi read a prayer, and inserted a folded white paper between the stones. One hardline Israeli protester shouted, "Obama, Jerusalem is not for sale."

The visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories was part of an international tour meant to shore up Obama's foreign affairs credentials ahead of the November election. Obama's prospective rival, John McCain, visited Israel in March.

mesue
07-26-2008, 12:02 PM
I agree with you, that it should not have been made public, and no one should have read it. I don't guess I will ever get to go, and stick my prayer in the wall, so I will just write mine here for all to see.

Dear Lord, please help me feel like partying, give me the strength to lift a glass of wine up and toast life and mean it, please make the powers that be, make marijuana legal, so that I might be able to try it and then get mellow and drunk without going to jail. Let the good times roll!

tngirl
07-26-2008, 12:09 PM
I agree with you, that it should not have been made public, and no one should have read it. I don't guess I will ever get to go, and stick my prayer in the wall, so I will just write mine here for all to see.

Dear Lord, please help me feel like partying, give me the strength to lift a glass of wine up and toast life and mean it, please make the powers that be, make marijuana legal, so that I might be able to try it and then get mellow and drunk without going to jail. Let the good times roll!
Good one...lol.

jbbarn
07-26-2008, 02:03 PM
Pertaining to nothing...wouldn't you hate to be named Yediot?

buglebe
07-26-2008, 02:30 PM
Don't you think he had a good idea his prayer would be read?

speedygirl
07-26-2008, 02:37 PM
I think the Jewish seminary student that invaded his privacy should be removed from the seminary as he is not morally capable of teaching the the word of God. If he had a small modicum of decency he wouldn't have given it to the media, He apparently is an attention whore and isn't fit become a man of the cloth.

speedygirl
07-26-2008, 03:42 PM
Don't you think he had a good idea his prayer would be read?

How would he know that and even if he did it is a violation of what the whole Wall stands for. When a person is in such a holy place, one with faith wouldn't even consider that this type of intrusion would occur. It is forbidden to do that at the wall and you'd think that the sanctity of religion would not be violated for some media attention. Some people have little respect for anything that is supposed to be private these days. The fact that it was a man in religious studies makes it an even more egregious lack of judgement.

tngirl
07-26-2008, 04:01 PM
Don't you think he had a good idea his prayer would be read?
Maybe he believed that he would be allowed one once of respect?

jbbarn
07-26-2008, 05:56 PM
Don't you think he had a good idea his prayer would be read?
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Buglebe

Hmmm...could be!
Yep.I'd say definitely a goooood possibility!

janelle
07-27-2008, 12:17 AM
It is a good prayer so no damage done. Oh well the person will have to answer for it. I just hope it does not end up on e-Bay.

PrincessArky
07-28-2008, 09:02 AM
Maybe he believed that he would be allowed one once of respect?

I guess you meant ounce? hey dont ya know seems like nobody has any respect for anyone anymore :( It is really sad..........anyone in the public eye just seems to be fair game anymore and some of it gets SO nasty

katgirl3
07-28-2008, 10:51 AM
Don't you think he had a good idea his prayer would be read?
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Buglebe

Hmmm...could be!
Yep.I'd say definitely a goooood possibility!

He had to know someone was going to take it. Unless he's a complete moron.
Yeah. I think he knew full well what would happen to his prayer. A little "poor Obama" publicity is always good.

Mom2Shaun
07-28-2008, 11:49 AM
If he knew it was going to be read, don't you think he would have put something in along the lines of God protecting the U.S.? I think he fully expected to have the privacy that everyone else gets when they put a prayer in the wall.

katgirl3
07-28-2008, 12:39 PM
If he knew it was going to be read, don't you think he would have put something in along the lines of God protecting the U.S.? I think he fully expected to have the privacy that everyone else gets when they put a prayer in the wall.

He should get the same privacy as everyone else. But he's not everyone else. He's running for President of the United States. And some people don't have any morals. That's the reality of it.

Bahet
07-28-2008, 12:49 PM
Ok, so he put a nice prayer in the wall and he gets slammed because it's obviously just a ploy because he knew it would get read. If he didn't put a prayer in the wall he'd be getting slammed right now as someone who obviously hates God and therefore America so he must be a terrorist. The man can't win either way. I'm glad he chose to do it even if he did know it would be read.

YankeeMary
07-28-2008, 12:55 PM
I am not for Obama at all. But I have to say, when I first read this I thought, wow, thats a great prayer and he earned a bit of respect from me. Then after reading others posts and thinking yeah he probably "knew" or "thought" someone might read it, either way he still prayed...hehe. I like that.

Regardless of whom you are, you should have the right to place your prayer in the wall and be allowed the same as everyone else.

Jolie Rouge
07-28-2008, 01:32 PM
"Lord — Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins, and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will..."

It would not surprise me to find that the "prayer" released to the Press was given over by a member of his campaign staff ( w/o his knowledge, of course - plausable deniabliity :rolleyes: ) It seems too ... put on ...


If he knew it was going to be read, don't you think he would have put something in along the lines of God protecting the U.S.?

No mention of the US ... which plays to the European and Middle Eastern crowds where he is traveling at the moment... from whom the US would be protected from... Playing to the crowd as usual

Seems most policitical campaigns have more and more elements of theatre in them then ever before ...

hblueeyes
07-28-2008, 02:46 PM
If Obama "Knew" or not is irrelevant here. This is just wrong. As with any campaign, you know you are under a microscope. What this student did was just wrong. It is like a priest telling others of your confessions.

Me

whatever
07-28-2008, 05:16 PM
He should get the same privacy as everyone else. But he's not everyone else. He's running for President of the United States. And some people don't have any morals. That's the reality of it.

Yes EVERYONE should get privacy. But he is NO better than anyone else.
NOR is MCcain. It would not be any different if this was Oprah or brad pitt
jennifer aniston etc. people would watch it on tv and eat it up! JMO

Mom2Shaun
07-29-2008, 02:10 PM
Quote from Jolie: "No mention of the US ... which plays to the European and Middle Eastern crowds where he is traveling at the moment... from whom the US would be protected from... Playing to the crowd as usual"

But Jolie, the Europe and Middle Eastern crowds are NOT the ones who would elect him. It's the Americans whom he would need to "play to."