If you traded with Tat2fly MO for PayPal

[tat2ufly]

If you traded last month with Tat2ufly PayPal for money oders and have not received yout MO for the mont of dec. I am not making excuses but she gave the evvies to someome she trusted to mail them and went on vacation to Korea to see her husband. That person DID NOt mail the, kept the money oders and cashed them. She is scrambling to make this write by the first week f Jan. And she WILL always good on those trades. She is not the kinda of person to just trade and not mnake good on her end. Each evnie will be mailes no later then Jan 2, Plese write to let her know you received the, she is in pretty bad shape physically and doesnt get to teh computer much, please bu assured I am hre sister adn Ill me making sure all of thos trades will be taken care of next week. We both apo;ogise for the stupidity of one person we thought we could trsut. But the wyll be made right.

Thank you fr lisetenign and understanding-

[ahippiechic]

Yes, she is the type of person who lies and doesn't mae good on her trades. She's done this more than once. And why did she lie and say she mailed them on Dec 3rd?

So she was in Korea last night when she was logged into her Myspace account? If she can check out her myspace from there, why not just log in here herself?

And where are you posting from?

[earnhardt1]

this seems like a please dont call the cops on me scam........ i hope you all get your money......

[freeby4me]

Rather odd that her "sister" logs in magically a half hour after she's put on her bad traders list.

[JKATHERINE]

Yep. I'm not buying it, personally. Talking about yourself in the third person is a "trick" many scammers use. Also, unless she has someone also logging into her MySpace account for her as well, she's been on there, too. :rolleyes:

Regardless of how this turns out, this person is now and will remain on the BTL for all of the complaints due to all of the crap she's pulled here.

[freeby4me]

Also, how is someone in bad shape that can barely make it to the computer manage to somehow brave the crowds and travel ALL the way to Korea?

[tat2ufly]

believe what you want to believe.My sister is a good person, you will have your money next week. Just sad to see you all just jump like a crowd of vultures, those her know her well know know she just had a major surgery. had a lot of issues lately. And what the hell does having the ability to log into a MySpace site have anythingt do with this? Peol,e never cease to amaze me at being petty and drama queens.

[ahippiechic]

believe what you want to believe.My sister is a good person, you will have your money next week. Just sad to see you all just jump like a crowd of vultures, those her know her well know know she just had a major surgery. had a lot of issues lately.

So why did you lie when you said that you mailed the MO's out on the 3rd?
And there are others here who didn't get all their money from from other times this shit happened.

And you just had major surgery and can barely get to the PC, but can fly to Korea? LMAO!

[tat2ufly]

and to you, how many times have you traded with her> Your name desnt sound familar, so keep the drama and lies to yourslef.

[JKATHERINE]

believe what you want to believe.My sister is a good person, you will have your money next week. Just sad to see you all just jump like a crowd of vultures, those her know her well know know she just had a major surgery. had a lot of issues lately. And what the hell does having the ability to log into a MySpace site have anythingt do with this? Peol,e never cease to amaze me at being petty and drama queens.

If she/you can log into MySpace, she/you can log into BBS and let people know that they're not going to get their money on time. What the hell is she doing in Korea if she's in "bad" physical shape and just had "major surgery?"

[freeby4me]

believe what you want to believe.My sister is a good person, you will have your money next week. Just sad to see you all just jump like a crowd of vultures, those her know her well know know she just had a major surgery. had a lot of issues lately. And what the hell does having the ability to log into a MySpace site have anythingt do with this? Peol,e never cease to amaze me at being petty and drama queens.

Yea well STEALING money tends to do that to some people. Oh the horror of them wanting it back. Oh the lies that you tell. :slap

I smell coughbullshitcough.

[ahippiechic]

and to you, how many times have you traded with her> Your name desnt sound familar, so keep the drama and lies to yourslef.

I don't have to have traded with you. Myspace shows last log in, just like BBS does. I wasn't the only one who saw it either.

And um...with your feedback on here, I wouldn't be throwing around the "lies and drama' crap, lol!

[freeby4me]

and to you, how many times have you traded with her> Your name desnt sound familar, so keep the drama and lies to yourslef.

Um, thats one of the MODERATORS that can ban her LYING ASS so watch your mouth.

Oh excuse me, YOUR lying ass.

[dc613353]

Her nose maybe,as its getting bigger and bigger...she's full of it

[JKATHERINE]

and to you, how many times have you traded with her> Your name desnt sound familar, so keep the drama and lies to yourslef.

We don't need to have traded with Debbie/you to know what's going on here or to make a pretty accurate judgement on the situation. As someone who's dealt with many, many, many bad traders, I think I have a little insight into the situation... :rolleyes:

[kyswpgrl]

Wow...what bullshit. I'm really sorry for all you girls that are out money right now because of this liar. Why would someone trust another to mail out a stack of money orders? How stupid is that? And she's too sick to use the computer, but can check her Myspace. WTF?

[tarbabie]

WOW!~ This is almost better than all the reruns we are seeing right now on the boob tube!

[JKATHERINE]

Yeah, it's getting pretty deep...and stinky...

http://www.fatlittlegirl.org/poop.jpg

[ahippiechic]

Yeah, it's getting pretty deep...and stinky...

http://www.fatlittlegirl.org/poop.jpg

LMFAO, I'm stealing that!

[IthinkNOT!]

I am sorry to hear that some of you got scammed! And trying to help someone else out to boot? What a kick in the a$$! I hope that everyone gets there $$ back. As for the lies, why lie and say you mailed something when you didn't? Why not just be honest? I think the lies are whats made everyone so mad, and I don't blame them. If you say your going to do something, do it, if something happens and you can't then be honest, don't just try to buy time and insult ppls intelegence!

[dawnycap]

Although I am in no way involved in this at all, I want to say a couple of things:

First, there were many many times when I thought about sending money to this person to help her out, but for some reason I just never did....

Anyway,
I highly doubt that people will now give her the benefit of the doubt, but lets just say for argument's sake that they did....
I think that this might clear things up~~>Can you provide (maybe scan) the receipts that show you actually bought the money orders ON THE DAY you say you did, BEFORE this "person" ran off with them?? I am assuming one would keep the receipts for a while.

Also, this just came to mind: I would like to know how a person can cash SO MANY money orders..They all have different names on them. The person would have to have tons of phony IDs......That is CRAZY!!!!!!!!!

I am done putting my nose in.....LOL

[dv8grl]

I had a friend back home, send her a myspace message (AND SHE READ IT)about an hour before "she" posted here on BBS.

[ahippiechic]

Although I am in no way involved in this at all, I want to say a couple of things:

First, there were many many times when I thought about sending money to this person to help her out, but for some reason I just never did....

Anyway,
I highly doubt that people will now give her the benefit of the doubt, but lets just say for argument's sake that they did....
I think that this might clear things up~~>Can you provide (maybe scan) the receipts that show you actually bought the money orders ON THE DAY you say you did, BEFORE this "person" ran off with them?? I am assuming one would keep the receipts for a while.

Also, this just came to mind: I would like to know how a person can cash SO MANY money orders..They all have different names on them. The person would have to have tons of phony IDs......That is CRAZY!!!!!!!!!

I am done putting my nose in.....LOL

I'n assuming the MO's would have been made out the same person.

On the 5th, she posted that she mailed them on the 3rd, so who could someone run off with something that she said she had already mailed?

I still call bullshit.

[dawnycap]

I'n assuming the MO's would have been made out the same person.

On the 5th, she posted that she mailed them on the 3rd, so who could someone run off with something that she said she had already mailed?

I still call bullshit.

I agree, it's bullshit.......what I meant about the names on the money orders is that she had to fill out each one with a name (the people who she was sending them to) - then she gave them to some "person" to mail.......but the person supposedly ran off with them and cashed them. They have all different names on them (meaning all the people from this board who were owed money) - my question is.........how would this person cash all those money orders when they had all different names on them

Did that make sense.....LOL

[ahippiechic]

I agree, it's bullshit.......what I meant about the names on the money orders is that she had to fill out each one with a name (the people who she was sending them to) - then she gave them to some "person" to mail.......but the person supposedly ran off with them and cashed them. They have all different names on them (meaning all the people from this board who were owed money) - my question is.........how would this person cash all those money orders when they had all different names on them

Did that make sense.....LOL

You're right, I just had a brain fart! :D

[dawnycap]

You're right, I just had a brain fart! :D

It's okay - I get those ALL the time.....LOL

[diana_circe]

Someone once commented to me that they wondered how she would be able to continue this way of borrowing money when she promised so much extra above the amount she borrowed, that it was only a matter of time before this would blow up in her face. I'm sorry so many of you are out money on this deal, and I really hope you at least get your initial loan amount back!

[hunny]

more excuses... and lies.... what a crock of shit.

[lizmolik]

more excuses... and lies.... what a crock of shit.

:yeah

Carma will get the best of her!

[Bliss]

Why doesn't you/your sister find help instead of wasting a lot of money repaying people back. Hell, sell a bunch of crap instead of borrowing money, and being in the same position month after month after month. There are places that will help out military families. Search for places in your area, doing this shit isn't going to get you anywhere but in the hole deeper.

[tracey74]

hell I cant even cash a money order made out to myself(ones I dont end up needing when I buy them ) without showing ID to cash it.and if they are postal money orders she should have the receipts off the top of it so it would be possible to track these and whoever cashed them could be prosecuted since someone other than the person whos name is on it supposedly cashed them.and I agree with the rest if she supposedly had major surgey what DR or surgeon in his/her right mind is going to allow someone to go on a plane trip to another country? most want you around and to come in every so often to check on your healing process and what not. next time I need a rod and pins in my leg I'm going to disneyland(flame me if you want)

[Njean31]

what i don't get is why people like this aren't banned. you call someone a bitch on here your out, but you can lie to them and steal their money time and time again. bassakwards, i say.

[freeby4me]

what i don't get is why people like this aren't banned. you call someone a bitch on here your out, but you can lie to them and steal their money time and time again. bassakwards, i say.

Well she's on the bad trader list now so this shouldnt happen again.

We have the pleasure of having the FSOT section. To cover the owners ass if they wanted to they could just remove it.
Me personally, I'd rather have the FSOT section.

[ahippiechic]

what i don't get is why people like this aren't banned. you call someone a bitch on here your out, but you can lie to them and steal their money time and time again. bassakwards, i say.

Because it's stated in the TOS that you trade here at your own risk, the mods don't get involved with the trades here.

All opinions posted about trades on this board are Hippie's opinions, not BBS mod opinions.

[taylyn]

I am not involved with this at all this Month.

I was Just wondering , as someone else had mentioned about this Oweing money thing has to Get our of hand,

Why Diden't She just pay back Paypal with paypal every month?

If she borrowed from ...lets say 10 Ppl in a Month , and had to Buy MO,s and stamps for them too , That would cost her even More $$.


I always Wondered this .... didn't this send any red flags up to Anyone elsee?

[myspirit]

shame on her, Kharma sucks!

[DAVESBABYDOLL]

I did send $$ to her a couple of months ago (prior to the late pay back month) I was going to this time because I had pp but opted to get some Christmas gifts for my girls instead,Thank Gosh for that. I'm really sorry a lot of you got burned,it's sad because we all thought highly of her ,etc. How can she live with this on her mind??

And for her "sister" to post? Is it her sister logging into her myspace as well? Highly doubtfull..smells like pure shit to me.

[tarasdream]

how much money was involved? enough to turn it over to the police! maybe with the threat of that she will pay you all back

[hunny]

Im sure she had several emails from bbs members, why didnt she respond... she was obviously using a computer if she was logging on to her myspace account.
I think she planned on ripping everyone off, but then got scared... so now shes scrambling and making up some bullshit lies...... just like last time.
I truly hope you all get your $$ with interest, and nobody trades with her again.. she says she also sells on ebay.

[ilikefree]

I've never dealt with her before, but I did see that several people posted saying that she was a fair and honest trader. So last month I sent her $25 paypal (everything I had in my pp account at the time). Several days later she had refunded it, saying that for some reason she couldn't access it. Boy am I glad! I'm sorry to all of you who got taken. I hope you all get your money.

[ldsmomof1]

Im sure she had several emails from bbs members, why didnt she respond... she was obviously using a computer if she was logging on to her myspace account.
I think she planned on ripping everyone off, but then got scared... so now shes scrambling and making up some bullshit lies...... just like last time.
I truly hope you all get your $$ with interest, and nobody trades with her again.. she says she also sells on ebay.

Well I guess I generally see the good in people. I personally believe she did not intend to rip people off but rather got herself in over her head financially and with it being Christmas time felt she had to bail on us. Maybe I'm wrong... maybe I just believe that because it helps me cope with it better.

[earnhardt1]

i feel so bad for those of you that she scammed... this is jsut sad i cant even begin to think how much money she made for free off of you good honest people.....
i have one of those paid subscriptions that let you find anyone anywhere and gives you all there info we can search her name and call her at home and be like why are you doing this to people

[sheila_361]

Having been a Military Spouse at one time myself, I know for a fact that you get paid twice a month on the 1st and 15th of the month. I was reading some of this thief's past post and saw where she said they get paid once a month, that right there is a big red flag and a lie in itself. I feel so bad for everyone who has been taken by this person. Bad Bad Karma will get them!

[flute]

this seems like a please dont call the cops on me scam........ i hope you all get your money......

Well the Internet isn't the cops jurisdiction so I don't know why a scammer would care about that LOL.

[flute]

how much money was involved? enough to turn it over to the police! maybe with the threat of that she will pay you all back

You are so naive. That is what my mother thought as well. She got taken for $850 on Ebay and the police said it wasn't their jurisdiction.
Unfortunately for her it wasn't with paypal.

[DBackFan]

You are so naive. That is what my mother thought as well. She got taken for $850 on Ebay and the police said it wasn't their jurisdiction.
Unfortunately for her it wasn't with paypal.

calling people names isn't helping matters. That was rude. I have heard stories of people in here who HAVE gotten satisfaction from dealing with the perpetraters local police department so just because it didn't work for your mother does not mean they shouldn't make a police report!

[earnhardt1]

Well the Internet isn't the cops jurisdiction so I don't know why a scammer would care about that LOL.

that doesnt mean she knows that...... in every case is different and every state....

[Heidi]

Having been a Military Spouse at one time myself, I know for a fact that you get paid twice a month on the 1st and 15th of the month. I was reading some of this thief's past post and saw where she said they get paid once a month, that right there is a big red flag and a lie in itself. I feel so bad for everyone who has been taken by this person. Bad Bad Karma will get them!

I'm a military wife now and the pay is still the same, twice a month. I called her out on it the first time I read where she posted she only got paid once a month. She swore up and down she only gets paid on the 1st. Not sure what military her husband is in, must not be the same one's as our spouses.

[freeby4me]

Flute, you may mean well but its not coming off like that.

For anyone involved with a trade, if you dont get satisfaction go down to the police station, if anything they'll point you in the right direction.

[Njean31]

my husband who was active duty for 12 years and is now in the reserves says you can opt to be paid once a month or twice. still don't matter though, they should opt for twice a month instead of taking out weird loans.

http://www.militarysos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75661

[catdance]

Oh this is just INSANE, if you have had major surgery, I really can't see sitting on a plane for like 18 hours, and furhter, she would have reciepts for those and be able to stop all of those money orders as well, I lost mine once not from this series of events, but I had the stub and all worked out fine, so who would just give these away and not keep records for this amount of money?
YOu all who got screwed should should chime in and see what the total loss was.
I am just sick by this..I am sorry this happened I got the "screw" before and if she is Japan, she can use a PC and get here, so all points are well taken, I feel bad for all of you just as bad as I felt in August, and I was so forgiving and now I feel like a fool..I defended her..and know we had a GRINCH who may have cost at least ONE person less of a Christmas, the ONE who trusted and waited for her/his MO to arrive..now we see what kind of friends she has ( thieves ) and what she became..a thief..and a coward!

The military has PC's and Laptops and are wireless and they are everywhere any base has a computer, and you can pay for them in coffee shops, etc.
Nothing so backwards about Japan, it is NOT the STONE AGE there.

For shame!
Shame on you, Debbie!

[dc613353]

maybe..all the ppl she scammed paid for her surgery in Japan or paid for her trip...still not right and what makes her think she'll have anymore "extra" money in Jan than she has now?

[justme23]

You are so naive. That is what my mother thought as well. She got taken for $850 on Ebay and the police said it wasn't their jurisdiction.
Unfortunately for her it wasn't with paypal.

If she is naive then you are just plain rude. I'm sorry the police won't help your mother but things like this have happened in the past on this board and the police HAVE gotten involved (in the scammers home town) and the person did eventually do right.

[flute]

I am not rude, but sometimes I do come off a bit strong. I merely wish to share experiences.

I will restate.

Tarasdream, you do not know how things work.

The police wouldn't take a report on my mother, and she could have sued this woman. This was a FELONY that this woman commited on my mother & the police (in both my mothers & the felon's town) would do nothing about. The police where mom lives said it was for the felon's home town to take down the report & the police where the felon lives said it was the police's responsibility where my mother lives so someone tell me how anything is supposed to be solved? Mom even contacted MO's attorney General Jay Nixon and all he did was send some letters to this woman - that did not get my mother her $ back. All the felon had to do was ignore the letters & move which we have confirmation she did.

There's nothing that can be done for internet scammers. I've been scammed on ebay as well and ebay stands by their scammer.

[freeby4me]

I specifically remember watching a Judge Judy episode where a woman bought something on ebay, the lady scammed her and the original woman took her to court.

I also remember watching MANY episodes of Peoples Court where people buy off ebay, feel cheated and take the seller to court.

In other words, it can most certainly be done.

[sdb_ngc]

I specifically remember watching a Judge Judy episode where a woman bought something on ebay, the lady scammed her and the original woman took her to court.

I also remember watching MANY episodes of Peoples Court where people buy off ebay, feel cheated and take the seller to court.

In other words, it can most certainly be done.

It sure can be. I too have seen many of those episodes. Don't think that you have to suck it up if you were scammed.

[flute]

It can be, but you have to make the effort & find out where the person lives (which ms scammer keeps moving), and all.
But it's up to you not the police.

I seem to remember multiple posts on here about dead beat dads not paying child support? They move, switch jobs, can't be found, then the mom is stuck with trying to track them down , etc, it's the same issue.

[freeby4me]

The point is you made it sound like she was being "naive" for saying something that is more than certainly possible.

[sheila_361]

Is there anyway one of you that have been scammed by this person that may have an address for her and you may want to try finding out what base her husband is stationed at and maybe possibly going to the base Commander about this, it would seem to me he'd get kicked out of the service for fraud even though it's his wife doing so, but she said he knew what she was doing and found it acceptable

[tarasdream]

Tarasdream, you do not know how things work.



well where i live if you steal money from someone you can be put in jail

i dont like being called naive that was rude! she can be arrested or take her to small claims court. just because the police didnt do anything for your mother doesnt mean all towns are alike. i think if you take legal action this person will stop scamming people

[Bliss]

Istry finding out what base her husband is stationed at and maybe possibly going to the base Commander about this, it would seem to me he'd get kicked out of the service for fraud even though it's his wife doing so, but she said he knew what she was doing and found it acceptable

I would not go as far as getting her husband involved. He's deployed (apparently) he actually has zero involvement in the issue, it's all on her. I wouldn't screw with someones job over something as petty as this... I'm sure she didn't get hundreds or thousands of dollars. There's no way she could pay it back, I'm sure the amount isn't very large.

It would be like you doing the same thing and people going after your husband. It's not fair to bring down the husband when he wasn't the one doing it.

[DBackFan]

I wouldn't screw with someones job over something as petty as this... I'm sure she didn't get hundreds or thousands of dollars.

What a freaking crazy statement. Obviously it wasn't YOU who lost money and YES it does appear to be 100's of dollars!

[freeby4me]

I kind of agree with Bliss.

I would take the legal routes of filing with paypal and trying the police statements and sueing over screwing with someones job.
Thats major long-term reprecussions for something he didnt do.

[DBackFan]

well it sure as hell isn't petty for those involved..I did not say to go after his job I objected to her use of that word and I still do.

[MsLynn]

I would not go as far as getting her husband involved. He's deployed (apparently) he actually has zero involvement in the issue, it's all on her. I wouldn't screw with someones job over something as petty as this... I'm sure she didn't get hundreds or thousands of dollars. There's no way she could pay it back, I'm sure the amount isn't very large.

It would be like you doing the same thing and people going after your husband. It's not fair to bring down the husband when he wasn't the one doing it.




do we know for sure this is true???lord knows people who will do this, will lie about anything. people tend to have a soft spot for military families right now.. so i would be trying to find out if any of this is true

[Bliss]

What a freaking crazy statement. Obviously it wasn't YOU who lost money and YES it does appear to be 100's of dollars!


No it doesn't appear to be 100's of dollars. There are four complaints and one from a member who claimed to be shafted a few months ago, but did get paid, has no idea how much she was paid. She can't keep up with what she posts from one post to the next.

[freeby4me]

well it sure as hell isn't petty for those involved..I did not say to go after his job I objected to her use of that word and I still do.

In legal terms, over a hundred dollars is considered "petty theft" I believe its only after 500.00 that its considered more.

BUT

I know people on this board would LOAN the paypal because they were trying to help, not many (more like nobody) has money to just GIVE AWAY every month because this lady needs help.
Even 20 bucks is a HUGE amount to alot of people on here.
I of course cant speak for Bliss but I dont think she meant "petty" in a bad, throw away money sort of way.

[Bliss]

My whole thing is, Don't screw with someones job who was not on the board asking for paypal for money orders. It's not right to go after a person just because they are married to the scammer.

Don't get me wrong, it's a shame people scam people left and right on this site. People should know by now, don't lend anyone money unless you can do without it, you may never see it again.

[earnhardt1]

but how do we know he wasnt involved as well??? he could be as much a scammer as she is......

[whatever]

wow i feel bad for all of you who gave her money. I only did it once. and that was the time she was 2 weeks late on paying back. And i swore i would never do it again!!! It only takes once to burn me on a trade before i learn my lesson!

[Willow]

If she is naive then you are just plain rude. I'm sorry the police won't help your mother but things like this have happened in the past on this board and the police HAVE gotten involved (in the scammers home town) and the person did eventually do right.

I remember reading about that too. The police did get involved so there is something that can be done about it.

[freeby4me]

Yup.

All we're saying is exhaust the other options before going towards the one about a job.

[Willow]

This is kind of off topic, but does anyone remember when one of the members was scammed out of $5 and she said that she flew to the person's house and personally asked for her money back?

[earnhardt1]

wow thats kinda crazy.... lol

[freeby4me]

This is kind of off topic, but does anyone remember when one of the members was scammed out of $5 and she said that she flew to the person's house and personally asked for her money back?

Oh my, thats definately over principle only LOL

[Willow]

I thought it was kind of stupid to waste money on a flight just to recover $5 but she insisted she did it. She said the person was shocked to see her show up on her door step. LOL

[Memedav]

I think in her November trades she had 6-7 responses on the board saying that they were sending paypal. It's hard to tell how many people sent money without responding directly on the board. I guess eventually they will all join in this thread. I can pretty much guarantee that if I were out any money at all (I didn't do any of these loans BTW) that I would be calling anybody and everybody I could think of. Maybe if her husband (assuming there is one) knows what she is doing, then that alone would prevent it again. It seems when people hide behind their computers they do anything they want and think there are no repercussions.

Also, how in the world do you just up and go to Japan for "vacation" when you can't even make ends meet month to month? LOL I've been married 9 years and haven't even had a honeymoon yet!

For all we know she's a single woman living beyond her means and she played upon some caring and trusting people for their money. All she needs is for one angry mama to go medieval on her behind. Hell for all we know she went to Costa Rica for a discounted boob job. Ya just never know........

[Heidi]

I think in her November trades she had 6-7 responses on the board saying that they were sending paypal. It's hard to tell how many people sent money without responding directly on the board. I guess eventually they will all join in this thread. I can pretty much guarantee that if I were out any money at all (I didn't do any of these loans BTW) that I would be calling anybody and everybody I could think of. Maybe if her husband (assuming there is one) knows what she is doing, then that alone would prevent it again. It seems when people hide behind their computers they do anything they want and think there are no repercussions.

Also, how in the world do you just up and go to Japan for "vacation" when you can't even make ends meet month to month? LOL I've been married 9 years and haven't even had a honeymoon yet!

For all we know she's a single woman living beyond her means and she played upon some caring and trusting people for their money. All she needs is for one angry mama to go medieval on her behind. Hell for all we know she went to Costa Rica for a discounted boob job. Ya just never know........

From what I understood from her previous posts, she lives here and her husband is stationed in Japan. She didn't want to move over there apparently.

[sheila_361]

I was reading some of her post for these MO trades and she clearly stated that her husband knows she does this and is fine with it. THE Military does not look kindly on such things. I was not honestly suggesting that those who she scammed should get him kicked out, what I meant to say is he could possibly get kicked out over this. When The Service members spouse or children get into trouble, The service member is held responsible for their actions.

[Memedav]

From what I understood from her previous posts, she lives here and her husband is stationed in Japan. She didn't want to move over there apparently.


That's the way I took her previous posts too Heidi. I was referring more to the statement her "sister" made that she gave the envies to someone else and then went on vacation to see her husband. Also, don't you just love the way that "friends/family" always log into the scammers account and try to type differently and misspell every other word? lol anyone else notice that trend?

[Willow]

That's the way I took her previous posts too Heidi. I was referring more to the statement her "sister" made that she gave the envies to someone else and then went on vacation to see her husband. Also, don't you just love the way that "friends/family" always log into the scammers account and try to type differently and misspell every other word? lol anyone else notice that trend?

Not only that but when hippie had made a comment the "sister" came back and said something about hippie's name not sounding familiar and that since she hadn't been one of the people that sent her money that she should stay out of it. If that was her sister (which I don't believe it was) how would she know who she has or hasn't dealt with. If you're going to come on here and lie and pretend to be someone else you're going to have be more creative than that. LOL

[ahippiechic]

Not only that but when hippie had made a comment the "sister" came back and said something about hippie's name not sounding familiar and that since she hadn't been one of the people that sent her money that she should stay out of it. If that was her sister (which I don't believe it was) how would she know who she has or hasn't dealt with. If you're going to come on here and lie and pretend to be someone else you're going to have be more creative than that. LOL

I know, huh? LOL!

I don't know if her DH really is on Korea or not, BUT she posted on the 5th that SHE had mailed them out on the 3rd. That alone was a lie.

Anyone who would think that paying 100's of dollars in interest each month for PP loans, needs some common sense anyway. No wonder they can't make ends meet, she's paying out so much of his check in interest for the loans she gets on here.

[Willow]

I know, huh? LOL!

I don't know if her DH really is on Korea or not, BUT she posted on the 5th that SHE had mailed them out on the 3rd. That alone was a lie.

Anyone who would think that paying 100's of dollars in interest each month for PP loans, needs some common sense anyway. No wonder they can't make ends meet, she's paying out so much of his check in interest for the loans she gets on here.

It doesn't make sense at all. I just hope everyone will eventually get their money back.

[dangerousfem]

This is kind of off topic, but does anyone remember when one of the members was scammed out of $5 and she said that she flew to the person's house and personally asked for her money back?

I remember that..LOL

[dangerousfem]

I specifically remember watching a Judge Judy episode where a woman bought something on ebay, the lady scammed her and the original woman took her to court.

I also remember watching MANY episodes of Peoples Court where people buy off ebay, feel cheated and take the seller to court.

In other words, it can most certainly be done.

yep.. saw a Judge Judy episode where a woman bought a Louis Vuitton purse off of ebay.. turned out to be fake... lady took her to court (judge judy) and won.

[calynn]

Oh, see I got in trouble last time when I posted about these loans. I think I was called immature!!!! But how could anyone think that she could keep doing this month after month. Just didn't make sense to me. And I often thought about sending her money and just telling her to repay the principal and not worry about the interest cause I respect our military and know they aren't paid very well. But, once again, I was slow in doing that and then when she attacked me I knew that I wouldn't. I'm sorry she took you. Hope a lesson was learned. And if she by chance ends up sending you the money, I hope you will think about doing it again---as I said before, she can't just continue doing this--it will catch up sooner or later. Please note this is my opinion only(LOL).

[MsLynn]

In legal terms, over a hundred dollars is considered "petty theft" I believe its only after 500.00 that its considered more.

BUT

I know people on this board would LOAN the paypal because they were trying to help, not many (more like nobody) has money to just GIVE AWAY every month because this lady needs help.
Even 20 bucks is a HUGE amount to alot of people on here.
I of course cant speak for Bliss but I dont think she meant "petty" in a bad, throw away money sort of way.

that varies from state to state,i know in oklahoma anything over $50.00 is GRAND LARCENY, and a felony

[freeby4me]

that varies from state to state,i know in oklahoma anything over $50.00 is GRAND LARCENY, and a felony

OK thank you for clearing that up. I know i've heard varying amounts.

[Njean31]

here in nc i think this deal would be classified as obtaining money under false pretenses which is an automatic felony, no matter the amount.

[DrGrin]

Anyone who sent this woman paypal should have her mailing address on the transaction receipt in their paypal account log. Why not go get that address, and look her up on zabasearch.com or smartpages.com ? You could probably come up with a phone number if she has one that isn't an unlisted number.

I wonder if there's another member on the forum that lives in the same town she does. Maybe they could go pay her a visit. LOL

[ahippiechic]

Anyone who sent this woman paypal should have her mailing address on the transaction receipt in their paypal account log. Why not go get that address, and look her up on zabasearch.com or smartpages.com ? You could probably come up with a phone number if she has one that isn't an unlisted number.

I wonder if there's another member on the forum that lives in the same town she does. Maybe they could go pay her a visit. LOL

If she lives near Phx I can pay her a visit. Would love to have coffee and a chat with her. :)

[freeby4me]

If she lives near Phx I can pay her a visit. Would love to have coffee and a chat with her. :)

LOL You wouldnt even need to cost of a plane ticket!

[diana_circe]

DrGrin, she would have the sender's mailing address if they opted to include it with the transaction, but the sender wouldn't get the receiver's mailing info. Tho I do think they can request that info from paypal, not 100% sure about that tho.

[freeby4me]

DrGrin, she would have the sender's mailing address if they opted to include it with the transaction, but the sender wouldn't get the receiver's mailing info. Tho I do think they can request that info from paypal, not 100% sure about that tho.

What about a return address on the money order or envelope?

[diana_circe]

Now that they should have, unless they were first time loaners to her. But I know when I receive a money order in the mail I don't keep the envelope beyond making sure I have the addy of someone who bought something from me. But once I have the package addressed I discard that info.

[freeby4me]

Now that they should have, unless they were first time loaners to her. But I know when I receive a money order in the mail I don't keep the envelope beyond making sure I have the addy of someone who bought something from me. But once I have the package addressed I discard that info.

Yea, myself being unfamiliar with postal money orders or really money orders in general, I didnt know what kind of info they put on them.

[diana_circe]

Well, I know postal money orders have a place for the buyer's full name and address, and for the receiver's full name and address. I'm not too sure about money orders purchased elsewhere. But in all the years I've been trading on these boards I have never kept a person's address beyond addressing a package to them, even if I need to purchase the d/c from the post office I put the buyer's name and city and state, but in the street address part I write down what they bought so if there's an issue with something I sent I know which slip goes to what buyer.

[JKATHERINE]

Her mailing info was passed on to me by another member. Anyone needing it for the purposes of getting their money back can PM me for that info.

[earnhardt1]

i will gladly use my paid subscription to help anyone find her.... it will give me her phone number,address,and more pm me if you need help

[karefree]

This is really a mess, isn't it? It is very nice of earnhardt1 to offer her assistance in locating her.

[JKATHERINE]

We have her name, address and phone number. I'm not sure what else anyone might need at this point.

[harloo]

WOW!~ This is almost better than all the reruns we are seeing right now on the boob tube!

LOL! This drama is better than a soap. I mean traveling to Korea, in the hospital and leaving the money orders with a trusted friend who cashed them. Oh, that's too rich for my blood. Now dear sister is logging in for her proclaiming she'll pay up.

ROTF!! :slap

[newwiccan]

Having been a Military Spouse at one time myself, I know for a fact that you get paid twice a month on the 1st and 15th of the month. I was reading some of this thief's past post and saw where she said they get paid once a month, that right there is a big red flag and a lie in itself. I feel so bad for everyone who has been taken by this person. Bad Bad Karma will get them!

I haven't read all the replies yet but the soldier can opt to be paid only on the first of the month. I've known several people who have done it. My neighbor's husband only gets paid once a month.

[sheila_361]

Things must have really changed then, since I was married to my ex, he was in the Air Force, and I don't think back then it was an option to be only paid once a month. I could see an Officer doing this but just a SSGT. and below could never live on just a once a month paycheck.

[sunflowers]

We are active Duty and my husband said its 2xs a month the only time it is 1x a month is if your retired or your overseas (IE- Iraq..)

[Eyore]

My husband was in the Army and we are going back about 30 years. We got paid once a month but I remember you could get paid twice a month. Hubby never requested to be paid twice a month. It is tough trying to make it though the month when you get paid once a month. I do remember that.

[newwiccan]

We are active Duty and my husband said its 2xs a month the only time it is 1x a month is if your retired or your overseas (IE- Iraq..)

So are we. My neighbor's husband requested to get paid on the first of the month only because that's when all their bills are due. She said he's always had it set up that way and he's been in over 10 years.

[sheila_361]

I learned something new then. I would really think it would be so hard to live off of just the one check especially if you have little ones and a good amount of bills..

[mosdata1]

DH is not in the military but he just started a new job in April & he only gets paid 1x per month. I am still having a hard time adjusting.

[freeplease]

We're a retired Air Force family. We always got the twice a month payday. Now that we're retired, it's on the first of the month for the retirement check.

Contacting the husbands commander is an option. Actually, it will probably go through his first shirt. Gotta remember that chain of command...anyway, he won't get into too much trouble the first time. The family will probably get counseling, and be forced into a repayment plan. They could garnish his pay to make it happen. The military tends to frown on deadbeats. But he won't get kicked out for it. Especially with recruitment levels where they are. But he is responsible for his dependants. You can't just blow off debts.

[mrssnoop1]

My husband is retired Navy. The pay was usually 2x a month. He started a allotment for me that only came 1x a month and kept like 50.00 for himself. It wasn't that hard living on 1 payday. You just divide it into 4 and put the rest in the bank. I hope things work out for everyone involved. Do you know for sure her dh is in the military?

[bpl76]

Do you know for sure her dh is in the military?[/QUOTE]

:yeah I have been having that same thought for the past few days.

[earnhardt1]

i think she waited until she had a really good month ex: christmas time ppl are more giving then she stiffed y'all

[mrssnoop1]

I think people have a soft spot for the military, and come to the wife/family of a deployed person, look a the Hanna Montana ticket falsehood. It sure makes it bad for people who really do need help to find someone to believe in them.

[ldsmomof1]

i think she waited until she had a really good month ex: christmas time ppl are more giving then she stiffed y'all

Actually from what I have read thus far she got far less this time than previous months.

[hunny]

I think there are quite a few others that sent $$ this time but arent posting... probably because they feel dumb for defending her last time.

[earnhardt1]

yea there was a post somewhere earlier that had a bunch of ppl she named in it,if i am remebering right

[iluvmybaby]

We're a retired Air Force family. We always got the twice a month payday. Now that we're retired, it's on the first of the month for the retirement check.

Contacting the husbands commander is an option. Actually, it will probably go through his first shirt. Gotta remember that chain of command...anyway, he won't get into too much trouble the first time. The family will probably get counseling, and be forced into a repayment plan. They could garnish his pay to make it happen. The military tends to frown on deadbeats. But he won't get kicked out for it. Especially with recruitment levels where they are. But he is responsible for his dependants. You can't just blow off debts.

I would do that

[MsLynn]

DH is not in the military but he just started a new job in April & he only gets paid 1x per month. I am still having a hard time adjusting.


i have 2 jobs for the county here one full time and one part time and the county only pays once a month... sucks that both jobs pay the same time, lmao

[cathych]

My dh is a teacher & has been for 30 years now, and teachers get paid once a month. Its called "budgeting". And, we didn't have internet service for a long time because we bought what we needed, not what we wanted.

[Army-Mom]

Husband gets paid once a month and has for the last 24 years...I love it..the bills come in at first of month, we pay them and then know just what we have to work with the rest of month.

[whatever]

Husband gets paid once a month and has for the last 24 years...I love it..the bills come in at first of month, we pay them and then know just what we have to work with the rest of month.

That is what i do!!!We should chat! I would not have it any other way. would you?
I have an allowance for everything. When you tap out of money for that say for like going to eat etc, you stay home. I plan on what everything will cost for the month, OUr meds, groc. (estimate) etc.

Oh came here to see if you gals/guys got your money yet?

[Army-Mom]

That is what i do!!!We should chat! I would not have it any other way. would you?
I have an allowance for everything. When you tap out of money for that say for like going to eat etc, you stay home. I plan on what everything will cost for the month, OUr meds, groc. (estimate) etc.

Oh came here to see if you gals/guys got your money yet?

I exactly how much I need for everything I will need for a month..Money for savings get put in first..then I write out my bills..and then we dont have to worry at all for the month..I love it..I dont see how folks that get paid every week do it..I have been doing this for so long..

[dv8grl]

Each evnie will be mailes no later then Jan 2,


So here's hoping we all get an envie by the end of the week!

[dv8grl]

Well... isn't this special~~ :y:

Had my friend mysapce her again, Going to tell her she better have those MOs in the MAIL TODAY & now you can't message her unless your her friend~
She was logged onto her myspace yesterday & apparently shes EXHAUSTED... :spit

[Tasha405]

Well... isn't this special~~ :y:

Had my friend mysapce her again, Going to tell her she better have those MOs in the MAIL TODAY & now you can't message her unless your her friend~
She was logged onto her myspace yesterday & apparently shes EXHAUSTED... :spit

Exhausted from spending everyones money and trying to be 2 people at once?? :lol Sorry I couldn't help it. I read her posts before and thought for a quick second to send her money but I just couldn't make myself do it. I really hope all of you get your money back. If not, I would contact the police in her hometown and see what they say about it. I mean, they might not think much about $5 from one person but if all of you that lost money call, they will check in to it I'm sure. Good luck yall!!

*I'm not syaing everyone sent her $5, I don't know the amounts. I just said $5 as an example. lol

[freeby4me]

What a pathetic loser. I hope she chokes on all your money.

[dangerousfem]

opps.. posted in the wrong thread..lol.. not sure how that happened..LOL

[JKATHERINE]

Exhausted from spending everyones money and trying to be 2 people at once??


And exhausted from all that lying...

[dc613353]

Well,,,,, anybody hear anything?

[ldsmomof1]

I got a resolution from Paypal...

After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below.

We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds from the seller's account.

Figured that is what would happen. I'm glad I'm only out $20. And over the months I had gotten more from her than that in interest or whatever... so not out anything really. Would be nice to have it back still.

[dv8grl]

I got a resolution from Paypal...
After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below.
We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds from the seller's account.



I think I'll be getting the same message from paypal, this is what i get when I log onto the Resolution Center


A claim has been filed against this transaction. The seller's deadline for responding to this claim is Jan. 1, 2008. If the seller does not respond by the deadline, the claim will be decided in your favor.

[Aloha from paradise]

I only sent her money one time. She was late sending it back and I had to send her several pms. She never answered one of them. This was months ago and I wondered how long it would be before she ran into trouble. Sorry for all of you who got screwed out of the money.:getyou

[DrGrin]

I wonder if paypal will shut down her account for the fraud?

[whatever]

Have any of your filed a dispute with them?

[Memedav]

Have any of your filed a dispute with them?

Several people have filed and ldsmomof1 had the dispute ruled in her favor, however there is no money in the scammer's account to compensate her.

I'm not sure how the paypal disputes work, but was wondering if she (scammer) will still be able to use her paypal acct? Does paypal shut her down? If she were to get a payment right now, would paypal just send the $ to ldsmomof1 and any others? I'd hate to think that she could still use her account at some point. Anyone know?

[kyswpgrl]

She won't be able to use that specific Paypal account anymore. If she did, any money that was put into it would become frozen. There are ways around it though and she may open up another account (if she hasn't already).

[friend6040]

Id sure like to get her story on all these allegations and hear what hse has to say regarding these things. Is she afraid to log in and talk to everyone? Or does she realize people are on to her, whats her story?

[JKATHERINE]

Well,she's already logged in before...pretending to be her own "sister" so I'm not sure where that's going to get her...

[dv8grl]

Paypal ruled in my favor as well, but as its been said we won't be getting any money thru paypal.

[hunny]

Her "sister" said they would be mailed on Jan 2nd, so if thats the case... you guys should start recieveing your money orders anyday now.

Of course i wouldnt hold my breath LOL

[OmaLisa]

I see she is still logging into her My Space account. She actually logged in today. Too bad she doesn't feel the need to come here and address this situation.

[dv8grl]

I'm sure she checks these posts about her, she just doesn't log in.

[whatever]

She won't be able to use that specific Paypal account anymore. If she did, any money that was put into it would become frozen. There are ways around it though and she may open up another account (if she hasn't already).

Okay what i found out after i did my pp dispute (i filed against a scammer on ebay) They can have a negative balance. and when she puts money in her account it just goes toward the negative balance. so if someone deposits in there she can't use till it goes to positve. I am wondering if pp has a way to check IP addy's also? Maybe someone should contact paypal about that and explain what she is doing. Or better yet call them. I got better results when i called.

[iluvmybaby]

Has anyone filed a police report or pressed usps fraud charges against her?

[ldsmomof1]

Has anyone filed a police report or pressed usps fraud charges against her?

Not worth it for $20 for me.

[MsLynn]

has anyone left her message on her myspace, no telling who she's scamming over there, let all her myspace friends know how she is

[freeby4me]

has anyone left her message on her myspace, no telling who she's scamming over there, let all her myspace friends know how she is

Someone said something about it being private now. I dont go to myspace so I dont know if that changes it.

[MsLynn]

Someone said something about it being private now. I dont go to myspace so I dont know if that changes it.


yeah i was just reading that, lmao, was reading backwards, stupid i guess, oh well

[Shancopp]

anyone get anything back yet? I didn't lend, just following the thread.

[ldsmomof1]

Nope

[dv8grl]

Not as of yesterday.

[ahippiechic]

But her 'sister' promised they would mailed out no later than Jan 2nd! You guys MUST have gotten them by now.

I guess her 'sister' is just as much a liar as she is.

[iluvmybaby]

Not worth it for $20 for me.

Did you earn that $20 honestly by the sweat on your brown?!?! If she took $20 from you, and $20+ from at least 5 or 6 other ppl, how much is that? A crime is a crime, if I went into your purse and stole $20 outta it, and you caught me red handed, would you say it wasn't worth that $20 in my hand to call the police? Oh hell no, $20 for me is 3 loaves of bread, sandwich mea and a bag of chips, lunch for a week. When someone steals the food out of my mouth, I get pissed. This is why she is getting away with it, no one wants to bother. I am not criticizing you, or attacking you, but I think that dishonesty and theft needs to be addressed

I wish that I was still with my exbf a trucker, he goes all over the south, she doesn't live that far from Atlanta ... I would just go knock on her door and if she didn't answer, start knocking on her neighbors doors, if that didnt work I would go to the local police department

[dv8grl]

I'm more interested in finding out who her husband is & contact the military about the situation.

[Willow]

Did you earn that $20 honestly by the sweat on your brown?!?! If she took $20 from you, and $20+ from at least 5 or 6 other ppl, how much is that? A crime is a crime, if I went into your purse and stole $20 outta it, and you caught me red handed, would you say it wasn't worth that $20 in my hand to call the police? Oh hell no, $20 for me is 3 loaves of bread, sandwich mea and a bag of chips, lunch for a week. When someone steals the food out of my mouth, I get pissed. This is why she is getting away with it, no one wants to bother. I am not criticizing you, or attacking you, but I think that dishonesty and theft needs to be addressed

I wish that I was still with my exbf a trucker, he goes all over the south, she doesn't live that far from Atlanta ... I would just go knock on her door and if she didn't answer, start knocking on her neighbors doors, if that didnt work I would go to the local police department


I agree! If everyone that she stole $20 from thought that way she would keep getting away with it. I know that we can make $20 go a long way. Maybe it's not a lot of money to some people but to us it would be. I would definitely be trying to get my money back.

[mosdata1]

I'm just curious, does anyone know if she is a member of any other forums similar to this, and is doing the same to people there? If so, is there any way to warn the admins on those boards, just so those people can get a heads up?

[ldsmomof1]

Did you earn that $20 honestly by the sweat on your brown?!?! If she took $20 from you, and $20+ from at least 5 or 6 other ppl, how much is that? A crime is a crime, if I went into your purse and stole $20 outta it, and you caught me red handed, would you say it wasn't worth that $20 in my hand to call the police? Oh hell no, $20 for me is 3 loaves of bread, sandwich mea and a bag of chips, lunch for a week. When someone steals the food out of my mouth, I get pissed. This is why she is getting away with it, no one wants to bother. I am not criticizing you, or attacking you, but I think that dishonesty and theft needs to be addressed

I wish that I was still with my exbf a trucker, he goes all over the south, she doesn't live that far from Atlanta ... I would just go knock on her door and if she didn't answer, start knocking on her neighbors doors, if that didnt work I would go to the local police department

I can understand what you are saying. I feel like I HAVE done at least something and that is filed with Paypal and we have shut down that account pretty much. But here's the other reason I am not worried about my $20 so much... I have traded with her many times in the past. I always sent $20 and got back $30. Over time I made way more than $20 from doing this with her. That was a huge "interest" amount. And quite honestly I feel bad for accepting so much from her. I did because she offered it. I never would have asked for that much, but I took because that is what she was offering. But I have always had that nagging guilt feeling that I am taking advantage of her. I knew she probably wouldn't be able to carry on forever and she would probably get in too far. Anyway, so instead of the scenario of someone stealing $20 out of my purse I feel it is slightly different... someone gave me $20 and took it back without my permission.

[atprm]

I guess I don't get the purpose of paying out paypal and then sending a little more than what was paid in a money order... why not paypal it back?

I tried to read through most of the posts here -- it gave me a headache. LOL (and none of it was believable...especially the poor spelling on the one post -- like it was INTENTIONALLY mis-spelled.)

I just don't see why some people can pretend that other people -- ones they have never met -- are their personal banks.

We are on one income, so we have had to learn to live within our means -- never going hungry, and doing our best to keep atop our monthly bills has proved extremely difficult, often not reaching the next payday before we are out of something or another...but I would never have thought that I could ask strangers for money now (loans) and then repay it back later on.

It's like those payday loan places -- only they hold you accountable for the $ you borrowed. Maybe that is where the OP should go to get a loan...unless...she never intended to pay it back in the first place.

If you thought you were short before...how is it that paying more back and postage and money order costs on top of it would bring you out ahead?? It won't -- ever... it's kind of like the payday places...once in the hole -- always in the hole and digging deeper the more you participate in it.

[Kelsey1224]

I guess I don't get the purpose of paying out paypal and then sending a little more than what was paid in a money order... why not paypal it back?

I tried to read through most of the posts here -- it gave me a headache. LOL (and none of it was believable...especially the poor spelling on the one post -- like it was INTENTIONALLY mis-spelled.)

I just don't see why some people can pretend that other people -- ones they have never met -- are their personal banks.

We are on one income, so we have had to learn to live within our means -- never going hungry, and doing our best to keep atop our monthly bills has proved extremely difficult, often not reaching the next payday before we are out of something or another...but I would never have thought that I could ask strangers for money now (loans) and then repay it back later on.

It's like those payday loan places -- only they hold you accountable for the $ you borrowed. Maybe that is where the OP should go to get a loan...unless...she never intended to pay it back in the first place.

If you thought you were short before...how is it that paying more back and postage and money order costs on top of it would bring you out ahead?? It won't -- ever... it's kind of like the payday places...once in the hole -- always in the hole and digging deeper the more you participate in it.

This is exactly what I have been thinking all along. How can you keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper each month by paying out more and more each month in ridiculous interest rates. It sounds like she reeled people in for several months...then left. She probably used money from person A to pay the interest on Person B, C, and D.

[freeplease]

Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me.

[Jenefer3]

Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me.

Now those are illegal, only rough part is that you have to prove that's what it is. I didn't give her any money but I've been following the posts because, honestly, it's almost as good as any soap show that I could watch (no offense to anyone, except for maybe the scam artist). I just hope everyone gets their money back or gets some kind of resolution.

[calynn]

Yep, exactly what I said before and got attacked for saying it. There's no way you could continue this and it not catch up with you. I felt bad last time when I mentioned (and got attacked)this and then said I wondered if her husband knew what she was up too. She replied that I was "immature". Maybe I am the mature one(LOL).

[Kelsey1224]

Yep, exactly what I said before and got attacked for saying it. There's no way you could continue this and it not catch up with you. I felt bad last time when I mentioned (and got attacked)this and then said I wondered if her husband knew what she was up too. She replied that I was "immature". Maybe I am the mature one(LOL).


I never saw her offers, but I would have responded exactly as you did. I, until recently, was a financial analyst with Disney so I know a wee bit about managing money. (I've changed roles now but still work for Disney.)

This was a fiasco waiting to happen, but people didn't want to hear it. I would have questioned it the first time I saw it, but hindsight is always 20/20.

[atprm]

ok, so if in fact she was using members to operate as a "payday" loan deal, well all the loans are now payable.

If her husband is military, that would be my first stop -- to the company commander of his squadron or unit. Why? Because no matter what happens, the military member is held accountable for his family's actions.

Then I would file with local police departments and since this was all commited over the internet, I would get the FBI involved (inquire if you wish) because it is considered Interstate Wire Fraud...which is a federal offense.

Repercussions from the husband's command could range from a slap on the wrist to the big chicken dinner, and the husband may or may not know what's going on -- but I think if he didn't then he is just as guilty as she is, since it is JOINT finances involved (how could he not know -- unless he can't flippin add 1+1 that the money wasn't adding up?)

[atprm]

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/w017.htm


WIRE FRAUD - 18 USC 1343, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to use interstate wire communications facilities in carrying out a scheme to defraud.

A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved beyond a reasonable doubt:

First: That the person knowingly and willfully devised a scheme to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false pretenses, representations or promises; and

Second: That the person knowingly transmitted or caused to be transmitted by wire in interstate commerce some sound for the purpose of executing the scheme to defraud.

It is not necessary that the Government prove all of the details concerning the precise nature and purpose of the scheme; or that the material transmitted by wire was itself false or fraudulent; or that the alleged scheme actually succeeded in defrauding anyone; or that the use of interstate wire communications facilities was intended as the specific or exclusive means of accomplishing the alleged fraud.

What must be proved is that the person knowingly and willfully devised or intended to devise a scheme to defraud; and that the use of the interstate wire communications facilities was closely related to the scheme because the person either wired something or caused it to be wired in interstate commerce in an attempt to execute or carry out the scheme.

To "cause" interstate wire facilities to be used is to do an act with knowledge that the use of the wires will follow in the ordinary course of business or where such use can reasonably be foreseen.

Each separate use of the interstate wire facilities in furtherance of a scheme to defraud constitutes a separate offense.

so if she screwed 4 of you, that is 4 charges against her, since the law states that each incidence is a separate offense.

[sheila_361]

I suggested going to his Commander, but was told that I was wrong for trying to get him kicked out..

[Njean31]

I suggested going to his Commander, but was told that I was wrong for trying to get him kicked out..

no doubt, i would have already contacted them if i could get in contact with them IF IT WERE ME. that's a quick way to get your money back and stop the nonsense altogether.

[Bliss]

I still have a problem with people wanting to target the husband. I have no idea why people want to go after the husband instead of going after the person who done the trades. She may have stated her husband knew about her dealings. I highly doubt her husband is dumb enough to agree with borrowin money & paying a shit load in interest back. I'm pretty sure it was a lie just like when she lied claiming she was her sister... Go after the woman who made the trades and leave her husband out of it. There's no sense in fucking up his job when he wasn't the one making the trades.

[Heidi]

The only problem with "contacting his commander", is that you don't even know what command he is with. She has said he's stationed overseas so unless she tells you I don't see how you can find his command, especially if you don't know his first and last name.

[ahippiechic]

They know her 1st and last name, so they could find him.

[Quaker_Parrots]

The only problem with "contacting his commander", is that you don't even know what command he is with. She has said he's stationed overseas so unless she tells you I don't see how you can find his command, especially if you don't know his first and last name.

Not only that, but how can you honestly be sure, with all the other lies she has told, that he is even in the Military? I asked DH about her going to Korea to visit him, and he said it is very unlikely with that duty station.

It looks like she also used to sell on ebay, but is no longer registered. I wonder if she got shut down for not paying ebay fees? She only has one negative: http://feedback.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=celtictatga&ftab=AllFeedback

[mosdata1]

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[hunny]

Her husband is involved because she involved him by borrowing money and promising to pay it back out of his money. Theres no way he could not realize what she is doing, she even said before that he knows what she does and is fine with it.
I also think there is a good chance that he is not even in the military, She only brings up the military and husband when she is making excuses. She is obviously a habitual liar so i personally would not believe anything she has ever said.
Just a thought but maybe someone could contact Explorer4x4 she had claimed to be her friend in a previous thread and stood up for her, maybe she knows whats going on.

[DBackFan]

Just a thought but maybe someone could contact Explorer4x4 she had claimed to be her friend in a previous thread and stood up for her, maybe she knows whats going on.

I was going to say this earlier but was trying to stay out of what I was not involved in this time. Explorer4x4r indeed has or had a close relationship with this person according to earlier posts. I do feel though that her silence in this matter means she is as stunned as the rest of you but I would sure ask her.

[barnetbeth]

If you traded last month with Tat2ufly PayPal for money oders and have not received yout MO for the mont of dec. I am not making excuses but she gave the evvies to someome she trusted to mail them and went on vacation to Korea to see her husband. That person DID NOt mail the, kept the money oders and cashed them. She is scrambling to make this write by the first week f Jan. And she WILL always good on those trades. She is not the kinda of person to just trade and not mnake good on her end. Each evnie will be mailes no later then Jan 2, Plese write to let her know you received the, she is in pretty bad shape physically and doesnt get to teh computer much, please bu assured I am hre sister adn Ill me making sure all of thos trades will be taken care of next week. We both apo;ogise for the stupidity of one person we thought we could trsut. But the wyll be made right.

Thank you fr lisetenign and understanding-

Well, here we are again and it is Jan 9th.....
Nothing materialized, no responses etc from you saying you screwed up but you'll fix it when you can, nothing... How can you sleep at night knowing you stole from so many different people. I sure pray you aren't a parent!

[earnhardt1]

wow after re reading that is the WORST spellin i have ever seen

[JewRican]

They know her 1st and last name, so they could find him.

I have an ako account and can find his unit that way.

[hunny]

Its the 11th now, Did anyone ever recieve??

[dv8grl]

Its the 11th now, Did anyone ever recieve??

Nothing as of yesterdays mail.


According to her myspace, which she was logged onto yesterday, she's melancholy.

AWWWW... what a shame.
She's probably sad that she's already spent all our money & can't come up with a different way to scam people!

[dc613353]

Any news??????

[dv8grl]

I was bored on this chilly afternoon & felling about PIST OFF that this bitch STOLE money from hard-working trust-worthy people...

... so I made a constructed a voodoo doll & lit a curse candle.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1458/6785198/17706858/298699125.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1458/6785198/17706858/298699124.jpg


:star:

[buttrfli]

Ok, thats creepy.... funny as hell, but creepy just the same LOL


I was bored on this chilly afternoon & felling about PIST OFF that this bitch STOLE money from hard-working trust-worthy people...

... so I made a constructed a voodoo doll & lit a curse candle.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1458/6785198/17706858/298699125.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1458/6785198/17706858/298699124.jpg


:star:

[freeby4me]

*makes note to self.....dont screw over dv8grl*


LOL

[LunaChick]

I was bored on this chilly afternoon & felling about PIST OFF that this bitch STOLE money from hard-working trust-worthy people...

... so I made a constructed a voodoo doll & lit a curse candle.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1458/6785198/17706858/298699125.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1458/6785198/17706858/298699124.jpg


:star:


oh my lol

Nice job!

[JKATHERINE]

*makes note to self.....dont screw over dv8grl*


LOL


Yeah. What she said!

[volkswagon7]

*makes note to self.....dont screw over dv8grl*


LOL

Thats what I was thinking too....

[whatever]

LOL, love the vodoo doll. so no one has gotten paid????

[Memedav]

LMBO! Let me know when you run out of pins........I'll gotcha covered. Now, who's got her back on the candles? lol


I was bored on this chilly afternoon & felling about PIST OFF that this bitch STOLE money from hard-working trust-worthy people...

... so I made a constructed a voodoo doll & lit a curse candle.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1458/6785198/17706858/298699125.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1458/6785198/17706858/298699124.jpg


:star:

[Jenefer3]

That's funny, wonder what response she'll have to that. Oh that's right, I forgot, she's not able to get to a computer or whatever that excuse was...someone post it as a myspace comment for her so she can see it, since going to that site seems to be all the strength/energy she can muster

[Airbuswife]

i've traded with her several times with no problem. for some reason this month i didnt, and i'm glad i didnt, lol!
its a shame when she cant even be honest with everyone involved, we all have lives and problems away from this site, but for the most part we all portray ourselves as our "real" selves. i personally couldnt take money from someone, especially when we are all here to find bargains, chat, get to know each other and help each other once in a while (and i honestly believe MOST of the people here feel the same way) i guess its a part of my character.

good luck to all those involved.

[ahippiechic]

I was going to say this earlier but was trying to stay out of what I was not involved in this time. Explorer4x4r indeed has or had a close relationship with this person according to earlier posts. I do feel though that her silence in this matter means she is as stunned as the rest of you but I would sure ask her.


Yeah, she was defending her in others threads when she lied about sending the MO's.
http://www.bigbigforums.com/sale-trade/542239-ready-trade-money-orders-paypal-2.html

[freeby4me]

Yeah, she was defending her in others threads when she lied about sending the MO's.
http://www.bigbigforums.com/sale-trade/542239-ready-trade-money-orders-paypal-2.html

She's probably not saying anything this time because she'd get her ass jumped on for it. Maybe if she hadnt defended this LYING THIEF to begin with, people would have fully realized back then what this POS was up to.

Yea, good freaking going. Meanwhile, has the lying bitch actually refunded anyones money? NOPE.

[atprm]

all I can say is WOW! What a BITCH!


06-14-2007, 12:15 AM
tat2ufly
Registered User



Well now that I see what someone had told me was going on on the board. I guess I will post AGAIN why the MO's are late going out. This is the third time I have posted this and if someone had a problem you should have emailed me direclty instead of starting a drama mill on this board. We came back late from our trip, we were several days late getting home becasue I wanted to spend as much time with my husband as possible, I was late doing everything. I posted that. I apologise for it taking so long but I hope that when you all do get your MO's that you see that I am not a scam and that sometimes things just happen. I HATE that people are so quick to judge espically when I have NEVER had a bad trade here or anywhere else. I posted two other times letting everyone know WHY I was late getting them out, but no one posted much behind that one, just THIS post. I have not ignored anyone, I do not get a notification every time someone replies to my post, that is why I put at the bottom of every post I make "PLEASE EMAIL ME DIRECLTLY ABOUT TRADES" BECASUE i DONT ALWAYS GET TO LOOK AT THE BOARDS EVERYDAY. Anyway. The Mo's are in the mail except for the two people I have left that i do not have an address for and have not heard back from either, but EVERYONE else's are in the mail. I just think it is ridiculous that people who have never traded with me have such a lovely opinion, it is so easy sit behind a computer and be mean and hurtfull, and YES MY HUSBAND KNOWS EXACTLY what I am doing (that was childish) he also knows that without the help we got this month from you guys that we wouldnt have had a vacation, and I am thankfull for those who helped.

Deb
__________________

I will reserve Gunch for a much later time -- so far only a select few fit that bill... but she is coming awful close for that award!

I read the whole thread Hippie posted, and honestly if you owe that many people money (not pennies...but LOTS of money), the gunchy attitude displayed above is NOT how to handle it at all.

WOW... just wow!!

So from her own post, her husband knows exactly what she did... so TIME TO GO TO HIS COMMAND!!

Also...did you guys know you were paying for her vacation?

I say...if you can't afford a fucking vacation---KEEP YOUR ASS AT HOME!

[tigger4]

I hope you all get your money back soon. It is awful when people take advantage of others.

Someone mentioned payday loans as an option for her. If her husband is really in the military she would have a hard time getting a payday loan. In my state, you can't get them if you are military. A new law was passed last year about predatory lending and the military. Since payday loans (and tax refund anticipation loans) charge such high interest rates they cannot lend to military members unless they lower their interest rates, which they are not going to do. They wouldn't make any money that way.

[MsLynn]

i personally don't think he's in the miliary, if she even has one. lol

i went back through her posts through 2005, she only mentioned a hubby twice that i could find, once he put the wrong size tires on and once she needed money to see her husbands dad that was dying. no mention of him anywhere going to korea in 2006. i didn't find any post that wasn't in FSOT but i might have missed it. oh well i did notice very few of the things she listed seemed to have sold but when she offered the pp/mo trade, thats where she got her money, lol. ok i was bored, and i may be wrong, but if i considered these people my friends i think i'd have complained some on here that he was leaving. lol

[Explorer 4x4'r]

if anyone feels like a chat, please feel free to PM me!

[freeby4me]

if anyone feels like a chat, please feel free to PM me!

Why dont you just post something on here for people to see. Why cover up for the liar?

[ahippiechic]

No matter what came up that she couldn't pay, that shouldn't excuse all the lies she told. Not just this time, but last time too. Saying she didsend, then saying she will be sending them, posting as someone else, etc etc. is reason enough to be on the bad traders list, even if she pays back every penny she promised.

It would have been much better to come on here and just say, "I can't pay you back."

And she's borrowing money from strangers on msg board and paying back high interest and using it to have BBQ's? (That is in another of her posts) Makes no sense to me.

[YankeeMary]

Why dont you just post something on here for people to see. Why cover up for the liar?

I am sure she isn't covering up. I imagine she doesn't want eatin alive. That does tend to happen here. Explorer4x4 has been an excellent trader here for years. Maybe she was just taken in, its easily done. I know, I was taken in by a FANTASTIC wonderful trader with excellent feedback, then she went bad, I took up for her at first thinking it was something bad at home that kept her from shipping. It got real bad eventually, I seen it as her being bad and I was really saddened as I liked her alot. It was BBJJMom or something like that. She went on to register under several usernames scamming people. It just really shocked me. I couldn't believe that out of her.

[ahippiechic]

I am sure she isn't covering up. I imagine she doesn't want eatin alive. That does tend to happen here. Explorer4x4 has been an excellent trader here for years. Maybe she was just taken in, its easily done. I know, I was taken in by a FANTASTIC wonderful trader with excellent feedback, then she went bad, I took up for her at first thinking it was something bad at home that kept her from shipping. It got real bad eventually, I seen it as her being bad and I was really saddened as I liked her alot. It was BBJJMom or something like that. She went on to register under several usernames scamming people. It just really shocked me. I couldn't believe that out of her.

I don't want to jump on Explorer 4x4'r, but if, as someone said, she does know her, maybe she could shed some light on the situation.

[lizmolik]

I don't want to jump on Explorer 4x4'r, but if, as someone said, she does know her, maybe she could shed some light on the situation.
:dito:

[freeby4me]

I am sure she isn't covering up. I imagine she doesn't want eatin alive. That does tend to happen here. Explorer4x4 has been an excellent trader here for years. Maybe she was just taken in, its easily done. I know, I was taken in by a FANTASTIC wonderful trader with excellent feedback, then she went bad, I took up for her at first thinking it was something bad at home that kept her from shipping. It got real bad eventually, I seen it as her being bad and I was really saddened as I liked her alot. It was BBJJMom or something like that. She went on to register under several usernames scamming people. It just really shocked me. I couldn't believe that out of her.

Yea, I do remember her, I too was rather shocked by that lady.
I just think the people who traded with her deserve an explanation. I ALMOST traded with her, but I never had more than probably 10 or 15 bucks to give out, and I couldnt wait no 40 days to get paid back. I tried suggesting her pay it back through paypal and the fact that she wouldnt do it, nor respond to that was a huge red flag for me.

[DBackFan]

This is what she (Explorer4x4'r) PM'd me quite awhile ago..hope she doesn't mind me posting it but heck I think people need to hear it.


Hi guys!

I chose to stay out of the post and not comment as I was not involved in the specific transaction.
I am NOT a good friend nor do I have a close relationship with her.

I put trust in her because she was from a military family as am I and I believe in the honor code.

I do tend to put trust in people (whom I don't personally know) sometimes regretting it. I Am more careful now.
I was never given a reason not to trust Debbie. I have loaned her money numerous times during the past year with no problems.
I do feel bad for all those that haven't been paid back.

If either of you care to talk about this further, I have yahoo messenger or I can give you my phone number. JLMK

BTW, I think I have found out info off the army website for the hubby too

Linda

[Explorer 4x4'r]

I don't want to jump on Explorer 4x4'r, but if, as someone said, she does know her, maybe she could shed some light on the situation.

Please don't jump on ME!

I DO NOT KNOW HER
Just from trading here!
Period!

Please don't SLAM/FLAME ME , I did nothing wrong
The light is very dim and burning out

[Explorer 4x4'r]

Thanks for the kind words, YankeeMary

:kiss

[freeby4me]

Please don't jump on ME!

I DO NOT KNOW HER
Just from trading here!
Period!

Please don't SLAM/FLAME ME , I did nothing wrong
The light is very dim and burning out

Can we POUNCE on you?? Just kidding of course. I was just hoping you'd be able to shed light on something.

[ahippiechic]

I was just hoping you'd be able to shed light on something.

Same here. Although I think you're a spoilsport for not letting us burn you at the stake. We haven't done that in a while. :D

[freeby4me]

Same here. Although I think you're a spoilsport for not letting us burn you at the stake. We haven't done that in a while. :D

I was trying the other day.....

[ahippiechic]

I was trying the other day.....

I know....

[freeby4me]

Hey...I shut up didnt I LOL :star:

[ahippiechic]

Hey...I shut up didnt I LOL :star:

Yes, you did. :dontfeed

[MsLynn]

Same here. Although I think you're a spoilsport for not letting us burn you at the stake. We haven't done that in a while. :D


hey you can do it to me if it means i don't have to find out i failed my NR test today, lol..

[ahippiechic]

hey you can do it to me if it means i don't have to find out i failed my NR test today, lol..

What's an NR test?

[chazsgirl]

believe what you want to believe.My sister is a good person, you will have your money next week. Just sad to see you all just jump like a crowd of vultures, those her know her well know know she just had a major surgery. had a lot of issues lately. And what the hell does having the ability to log into a MySpace site have anythingt do with this? Peol,e never cease to amaze me at being petty and drama queens.

I know I have NOTHING to do with this, but these people helped your sister when she needed it and she promised the $$ back at a certain time. Nobody is being petty or drama queens they just would like their money back, god forbid you do a good deed! My opinion is that YOU stay out of it and let your sister talk for herself! Just my opinion.

[ElleGee]

Is this the same money from June in the other thread?

[ahippiechic]

Is this the same money from June in the other thread?

No, I think she paid those people, but she only paid some of them a reduced amount, not what was promised. This is from December I think.

[MsLynn]

What's an NR test?


its my national registry test for my EMT License, lol I just know i failed it, but hopefully should know for sure tomorrow.

[kelblend]

Well I hope you passed it. If not, I'm sure you will next time.

[ldsmomof1]

Is this the same money from June in the other thread?

This money was sent to her in November, due to be repaid Dec 1st.

[DestinysGrandma]

Hope you all get your money back. It's a shame that ppl are like this. Out of curiosity i looked up some sites that may be helpful if your money isn't returned.

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/fraud/internet/

http://www.ic3.gov/

http://www.fbi.gov/cyberinvest/cyberhome.htm

[Bliss]

Originally Posted by DBackFan
I was going to say this earlier but was trying to stay out of what I was not involved in this time. Explorer4x4r indeed has or had a close relationship with this person according to earlier posts. I do feel though that her silence in this matter means she is as stunned as the rest of you but I would sure ask her.


Yeah, she was defending her in others threads when she lied about sending the MO's.
http://www.bigbigforums.com/sale-tra...-paypal-2.html



Yeah, she was defending her in others threads when she lied about sending the MO's.
http://www.bigbigforums.com/sale-trade/542239-ready-trade-money-orders-paypal-2.html


You people are continuing to target the wrong people. I don't understand why anyone is trying to bring innocent people into this big ole mess. From reading the link provided, it does not insinuate she knows the bad trader personally. What are you guys reading?

Go after the person who is scamming not the innocent people.

I know she has already posted..I just had to say something, It irritates the shit out of me when people want to go after others who have nothing to do with the issue. :slap

[ahippiechic]

Yeah, she was defending her in others threads when she lied about sending the MO's.
http://www.bigbigforums.com/sale-tra...-paypal-2.html





You people are continuing to target the wrong people. I don't understand why anyone is trying to bring innocent people into this big ole mess. From reading the link provided, it does not insinuate she knows the bad trader personally. What are you guys reading?

Go after the person who is scamming not the innocent people.

I know she has already posted..I just had to say something, It irritates the shit out of me when people want to go after others who have nothing to do with the issue. :slap

I wasn't 'going after' anyone and said as much in the other posts. And that post I linked isn't the only one I was going on, it was just handy so I linked it.

And you can see that no one went after her, either before or after she posted.

[Bliss]

As sure as shit if she didn't speak up people would have harassed her. Since people "think" she knew/knows the bad trader personally.

My point is, if someone doesn't have anything to do with a situation they shouldn't be brought into an issue. It makes no difference if a person knows the bad trader personally or not. They had nothing to do with it. KWIM?

[DBackFan]

As sure as shit if she didn't speak up people would have harassed her. Since people "think" she knew/knows the bad trader personally.

My point is, if someone doesn't have anything to do with a situation they shouldn't be brought into an issue. It makes no difference if a person knows the bad trader personally or not. They had nothing to do with it. KWIM?

:stir :stir

[ahippiechic]

:stir :stir

LOL!

I just wanted to see if she had some info that might be helpful. Sorry that bothers you so much.

[Jenefer3]

Heck, if collections agencies can contact your neighbors to get ahold of you (not me personally, but it was listed on here..somewhere), then I don't see anything wrong with Person A asking Person B who knows (or seems to know) Person C (Tat2fly) if they have any info to help them out.
That is just my opinion.

[DBackFan]

LOL!

I just wanted to see if she had some info that might be helpful. Sorry that bothers you so much.

It doesn't bother ME! :rolling but I think you ruffled someone elses feathers or lit her broom on fire again.

Heck I even said in my post that I was sure she was as stunned as the rest of us but it was worth the INQUIRY since she appeared at the time to know her.

Hippie this is the 1st time someone grouped us together in a comment...not sure if thats a good thing..lol

[ahippiechic]

It doesn't bother ME! :rolling but I think you ruffled someone elses feathers or lit her broom on fire again.

Heck I even said in my post that I was sure she was as stunned as the rest of us but it was worth the INQUIRY since she appeared at the time to know her.

Hippie this is the 1st time someone grouped us together in a comment...not sure if thats a good thing..lol

That's scary huh?

[atprm]

wish you could find out if she is scamming on another website...

Think about it -- she can't have just "stopped"... albeit she "stopped" here, but I am sure she changed names and moved on to "new victims"

[Bliss]

It doesn't bother ME! :rolling but I think you ruffled someone elses feathers or lit her broom on fire again.

She didn't ruffle anyones feathers. You're the one riding the broom, granny. You mentioned another members names who should have never been mentioned. That was my point. If it's to difficult for you to understand, have someone explain it to you really slow...

[ahippiechic]

You're both wrong, I'm the one on the broom!
http://smileyzone.eu/smilies/misc/grnwitch.gif