Change of subject: Gay Marriage

[4maxnrob]

I think people are entitled to their own opinion! If they want to get married then let them. I know what the Bible says and I personally would not marry a female but If a person falls in love and they want that for themselves well then so be it...idk..just thought i could change the subject and take the focus off poor catdance...

[tngirl]

Now this is a subject that I think I will stay away from. Just watch how ugly this one gets...lol. I have expressed my opinion on this subject enough times and gotten bashed, flamed and sauteed enough on it.

[ahippiechic]

If you find someone who is good to you and you 2 fall in love, I just can't see how that's a bad thing! Be it a man & woman or 2 guys or 2 girls. Doesn't affect me at all who someone else sleeps with, as long as it isn't my man! :)

[Quaker_Parrots]

I just saw an article where this couple got married in another state that allowed same sex marriages, since their state doesn't. They now want to get a divorce, but cant unless one of them moves to the state they got married in since the state they live in doesnt recognise their union.

Now tell me, how messed up is that?

[Army-Mom]

I Have a gay neice so I guess to each his own ...I love my neice and so if she is happy with who she has chosen to love then I want her happy.

[earnhardt1]

i see nothing wrong with it

[sheila_361]

I don't think it matters really,2 people who love each other and want to spend their lives together, should not be faulted for their sexual orientation.

[Shann]

If you find someone who is good to you and you 2 fall in love, I just can't see how that's a bad thing! Be it a man & woman or 2 guys or 2 girls. Doesn't affect me at all who someone else sleeps with, as long as it isn't my man! :)

I agree w/ this.. especially since if I don't get married by 40 my back up is my best friend who is a girl :lol :p but in all seriousness, if anyone can find someone who makes them happy; gender, race, etc shouldn't matter as long as they treat them right. :) And I don't think any city, state, government should stick their nose in it.

[vicky122]

I say a person has to spend thier life with the person that makes them happy and loves them.

[chazsgirl]

I agree with all, If you are fortunate to find that special person, man, woman, man that dresses like a woman, woman that dresses like a man hey whatever. I do although get alittle weirded out by the whole kissing in public thing but I don't stare or judge. Love is love, and love , in some cases is def. blind!

[iluvmybaby]

Whatever floats your boat is my opinion

[ilovecats]

If you find someone who is good to you and you 2 fall in love, I just can't see how that's a bad thing! Be it a man & woman or 2 guys or 2 girls. Doesn't affect me at all who someone else sleeps with, as long as it isn't my man! :)

That's my answer too!

[Mom2Shaun]

Yay! A change in subject!

Personally, I think most (not all) people are better off settled down with someone to provide an anchor/center to their lives. It could be a spouse, a "partner", or a child. If someone wants to love and take care of someone, pay medical insurance for them, and possibly keep them off of welfare or Medicaid and charity (in case they get sick or something), then great! So absolutely, I believe in gay marriage!

As for people who point to the Bible, I say that I follow what Jesus said about homosexuals ---- nothing! He did, however, point out how we shouldn't judge one another and how love is the most important thing. As for the Old Testament, I don't follow that because it has stuff about how you should treat your slaves, and how you should stone to death people who wear fabrics of mixed fibers (cotton/poly, anyone?) or people of mixed tribes. (We've got European, Asian, Mid-Eastern and possibly some Native American mixed into my family.) I'm a CHRISTian, not an Old Testamentian.

[dixiechicken]

I love chicks! :D

[Bliss]

People can marry whatever they want to marry...They can marry a blow-up doll for all I care. It's their life, their choices, not mine.

[Wimzik]

People can marry whatever they want to marry...They can marry a blow-up doll for all I care. It's their life, their choices, not mine.
ITA, I don't care what other people do, it's their business, not mine.

[fjp999]

And here I thought I was gonna come in and bash :getyou some heterosexuals - so I am really pleased everyone is sooooo sensible.

Thanks for being so reasonable :dancing:

frank

[Tasha405]

If you find someone who is good to you and you 2 fall in love, I just can't see how that's a bad thing! Be it a man & woman or 2 guys or 2 girls. Doesn't affect me at all who someone else sleeps with, as long as it isn't my man! :)

ITA!!


I could've sworn I replied in this once already. I swear, I am losing my damn mind. lol

[justme23]

I'm going to further instigate this topic by responding to the below quote... but before I do, I want it known that I have no problem w/ civil unions for gay individuals. I do NOT believe they should be allowed to stand before God and profess their love for Him and one another. However, a union that protects them and their children from family members who do not give a rats ass about the person they choose to spend their life w/... I'm all for that.



As for people who point to the Bible, I say that I follow what Jesus said about homosexuals ---- nothing! He did, however, point out how we shouldn't judge one another and how love is the most important thing. As for the Old Testament, I don't follow that because it has stuff about how you should treat your slaves, and how you should stone to death people who wear fabrics of mixed fibers (cotton/poly, anyone?) or people of mixed tribes. (We've got European, Asian, Mid-Eastern and possibly some Native American mixed into my family.) I'm a CHRISTian, not an Old Testamentian.

Romans 1:26-27 (New International Version)
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

(a different translation)

Romans 1:26-27 (New King James Version)
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

1 Corinthians 6:9 (New International Version)
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

(in another translation)

1 Corinthians 6:9 (New King James Version)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites,

1 Timothy 1
Greeting
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the commandment of God our Savior and the Lord Jesus Christ, our hope,

2 To Timothy, a true son in the faith:

Grace, mercy, and peace from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
No Other Doctrine

3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.

~~Just because someone (not just you, lots of ppl) doesn't LIKE what's in the Old Testament doesn't mean that it's ok to just ignore it. It's awe inspired for God, so you can't accept one and not another.~~

[ntgsmommy]

Just because someone (not just you, lots of ppl) doesn't LIKE what's in the Old Testament doesn't mean that it's ok to just ignore it. It's awe inspired for God, so you can't accept one and not another.~~

AMEN!

[Corinna]

I wasn't going to post on this subject because I know that there will be hurt feelings. And that is not what I want. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion and my is against gay marriages. I do have gay friends and family members but I just don't agree with it. I do not argue over politics, religion or ones personal behavior. I have my opinions and beliefs and would not try to push them on anyone else. I'm not perfect and am the first to admit it. I do know that God loves everyone of us.

[Shann]

Hmmm I guess I don't understand why one should care what other people do? And who they love? It's none of my business what makes someone else happy and far be it from me to tell them how to live their life and who to spend it with. Corinna please know I'm not picking on you, but I love when ppl say that they have gay friends and family but don't believe in gay marriage... I'm assuming all of those who do, love those friends and family members very much, but you seriously want to deny and or look down on them for something that might make them very happy and allow them to be their true self. Just b/c one gets married doesn't mean they have to get married in a church by a priest, pastor, etc. in front of "god" there's always the justice of the peace and a court house or other local. I guess I just don't see marriage all that sacred where it should JUST be between a man and a woman..hell there's a 50% divorce rate as is, obviously some, not all, of those who enter into marriage don't take it seriously. I feel that there should be equal rights for everyone, not those who fall into a cookie cutter mold made up by some old guy. I also love how everyone's so quick to bring up the Bible and how someone's going against it when their views don't agree... can you honestly say that you follow that book to a "T" and never ever do anything that supposedly would be against "god"? :potkettle Of course these are JMHOs :)

[justme23]

Ok, you will notice that I said I was instigating further argument because it was said that it isn't mentioned in the new testament. No, of course I don't follow the book to a T, I never said I do... I just said you can't accept one and not the other just because you don't like what it says. You can't pick and choose. Well, obviously you can pick and choose and a lot of ppl do (probably including me about something I'm not even aware of) but none of us should.

I guess I'm just offended by the pot kettle comment... cause you are making it sound like I said or inferred things I didn't... or am I taking it to mean more than it does?

[Bliss]

Aweeeeeeeee. Religion is the evil of all evils. :slap

God doesn't judge, therefore, God doesn't give a rats patootie whether you're homosexual, bisexual, trisexual, transexual, hetrosexual or whatever sexual. We as human beings are all equal whether we marry, have sex with the same sex, both sexes or the opposite sex... When we die were all going to the same place, 6 feet under or in a jar....Sin all you want....Beam me up scotty :beamup

[Shann]

I guess I'm just offended by the pot kettle comment... cause you are making it sound like I said or inferred things I didn't... or am I taking it to mean more than it does?

I wasn't referring to anyone in this thread w/ that, it was more of a generalization of how some people are. :o I also wasn't referring to anything you said in your post. :)

[PrincessArky]

I honestly couldnt careless

[Njean31]

[QUOTE=justme23;95748236]I'm going to further instigate this topic by responding to the below quote... but before I do, I want it known that I have no problem w/ civil unions for gay individuals. I do NOT believe they should be allowed to stand before God and profess their love for Him and one another. However, a union that protects them and their children from family members who do not give a rats ass about the person they choose to spend their life w/... I'm all for that.




ITA! and that's all i'm gonna say:)

[freeby4me]

Its nice to see how easy going this thread is. I like when someone uses Bible scripture to show their basis without banging people uspide the head with it. It seems to get across so much better!

But anyway, yes, to each their own!

[justme23]

I wasn't referring to anyone in this thread w/ that, it was more of a generalization of how some people are. :o I also wasn't referring to anything you said in your post. :)

Ok, I'm sorry I misunderstood!

[tngirl]

And here I thought I was gonna come in and bash :getyou some heterosexuals - so I am really pleased everyone is sooooo sensible.

Thanks for being so reasonable :dancing:

frank
I am guessing you are a homosexual? So, tell me, if us heterosexuals don't agree with you why would you feel the need to bash us? Sounds like maybe you have some pent up anger issues there...lol...sorry to disappoint you.

[ahippiechic]

I think he was joking.......

To me, even if you believe the Bible says it's wrong, I can only control myself, not anyone else. Who someone has sex with just doesn't affect anyone else, unless you are one of the people doing the sex.

I mean, how is it hurting my marriage if TNgirl sleeps with a man or a woman? (Just an example)

[tngirl]

I think he was joking.......

To me, even if you believe the Bible says it's wrong, I can only control myself, not anyone else. Who someone has sex with just doesn't affect anyone else, unless you are one of the people doing the sex.

I mean, how is it hurting my marriage if TNgirl sleeps with a man or a woman? (Just an example)
In one way, I don't care what goes on behind someone's bedroom door. But, on the other hand I get tired of things such as this being shoved down my throat and being told I am a bad person because I don't believe in something that is not natural. I don't even base my opinion on scripture, even though that does tell us it is wrong...I just don't need scripture to tell me, to me it is obvious.

Am I perfect? Long way from being so. I just don't think there should be laws to force me to accept things.

[Njean31]

I mean, how is it hurting my marriage if TNgirl sleeps with a man or a woman? (Just an example)

to me, i don't view these sort of issues in terms of how it affects ME personally but rather how it affects society as a whole. i don't feel like debating this subject anymore so i won't but just felt like adding that part in.

[ahippiechic]

In one way, I don't care what goes on behind someone's bedroom door. But, on the other hand I get tired of things such as this being shoved down my throat and being told I am a bad person because I don't believe in something that is not natural. I don't even base my opinion on scripture, even though that does tell us it is wrong...I just don't need scripture to tell me, to me it is obvious.

Am I perfect? Long way from being so. I just don't think there should be laws to force me to accept things.


The laws should be fair for EVERYONE. And to me, that means anyone can marry and have ins. legal rights etc. I don't think that is forcing anyone to accept. I'm not trying to change how you believe, you still have to the right to believe that it is wrong. I think alot of laws are wrong.

You don't have to BELIEVE in everything someone does, but TOLERATING it seems to be a good choice for me.

[PrincessArky]

You don't have to BELIEVE in everything someone does, but TOLERATING it seems to be a good choice for me.
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yep thats how I see it

[Njean31]

i know, i said i wasn't going to debate but consider this:
what i feel is most important is highlighted in bold. this affects the greater of society. forget about how it affects YOU personally (not aimed at you hippie, but everyone who says "why do i care what joe blow..[no pun intended] does with joe black in the bedroom?) BUT what it is doing doing our society.



HIV/AIDS and Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)


Various young men in social setting.The term men who have sex with men (MSM) refers to all men who have sex with other men, regardless of how they identify themselves (gay, bisexual, or heterosexual). In the United States, HIV and AIDS have had a tremendous impact on MSM. Consider these facts:

* AIDS has been diagnosed for more than half a million MSM. Over 300,000 MSM with AIDS have died since the beginning of the epidemic.
*
* MSM made up more than two thirds (68%) of all men living with HIV in 2005, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United States reported having sex with other men. In a 2005 study of 5 large US cities, 46% of African American MSM were HIV-postitive.

Since HIV/AIDS in MSM was first diagnosed 1981, gay and bisexual men have been leaders in dealing with the challenges of the epidemic. Gay organizations and activists, through their work, have contributed greatly to many of the guidelines for prevention, treatment, and the care of people living with HIV/AIDS.

For complex reasons, HIV/AIDS continues to take a high toll on the MSM population. For example, the number of new HIV/AIDS cases among MSM in 2005 was 11% more than the number of cases in 2001. It is unclear whether this increase is due to more testing, which results in more diagnoses, or to an increase in the number of HIV infections. Whatever the reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new HIV/AIDS cases and 71% of cases in male adults and adolescents.

Last Modified: June 28, 2007
Last Reviewed: June 28, 2007
Content Source:
Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention
National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention

here's the link: it's from the CDC so i'm pretty sure it's legit and accurate. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm

[tngirl]

I have to agree with NJean on the tolerance thing. What all are we willing to tolerate? How much is too much before our society as a whole begins to crumble. Kind of like with a telling a little white lie and then having to tell another to cover for that one and then tell another....so on and so on.

Please, don't get me wrong. I am not a homophobe and hate gay people, far from it, and I am NOT bashing homosexuals, just stating an opinion. You can only use the "if it makes you happy" thing so much before there have to be limits.

[ahippiechic]

My limits with the whole "if it makes you happy' thing is that when it begins to hurt others or infringe on the rights of others and I really don't see same sex marriage as doing that.

[tngirl]

So why not make bigomy legal?

[freeby4me]

i know, i said i wasn't going to debate but consider this:
what i feel is most important is highlighted in bold. this affects the greater of society. forget about how it affects YOU personally (not aimed at you hippie, but everyone who says "why do i care what joe blow..[no pun intended] does with joe black in the bedroom?) BUT what it is doing doing our society.



HIV/AIDS and Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)


Various young men in social setting.The term men who have sex with men (MSM) refers to all men who have sex with other men, regardless of how they identify themselves (gay, bisexual, or heterosexual). In the United States, HIV and AIDS have had a tremendous impact on MSM. Consider these facts:

* AIDS has been diagnosed for more than half a million MSM. Over 300,000 MSM with AIDS have died since the beginning of the epidemic.
*
* MSM made up more than two thirds (68%) of all men living with HIV in 2005, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United States reported having sex with other men. In a 2005 study of 5 large US cities, 46% of African American MSM were HIV-postitive.

Since HIV/AIDS in MSM was first diagnosed 1981, gay and bisexual men have been leaders in dealing with the challenges of the epidemic. Gay organizations and activists, through their work, have contributed greatly to many of the guidelines for prevention, treatment, and the care of people living with HIV/AIDS.

For complex reasons, HIV/AIDS continues to take a high toll on the MSM population. For example, the number of new HIV/AIDS cases among MSM in 2005 was 11% more than the number of cases in 2001. It is unclear whether this increase is due to more testing, which results in more diagnoses, or to an increase in the number of HIV infections. Whatever the reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new HIV/AIDS cases and 71% of cases in male adults and adolescents.

Last Modified: June 28, 2007
Last Reviewed: June 28, 2007
Content Source:
Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention
National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention

here's the link: it's from the CDC so i'm pretty sure it's legit and accurate. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm


What I get from this is just this, we need to educate gay men on having SAFE sex. Not stop them from having sex. It doesnt affect *you* (general you) in any way if two guys have sex.
I cant tell from walking down the street who's house has gay people living in it.

We are talking about two peoples LIVES here. Their entire LIFE! How is it fair for anyone to tell someone "I shouldnt have to accept you because you choose to love a man".

Heres a thought to ponder upon, who would you rather have living next to you? Two gay people or a religious family?

[tngirl]

Heres a thought to ponder upon, who would you rather have living next to you? Two gay people or a religious family?

I wouldn't care which lived next to me. I have a religious family right next door and gay couples around the corner.

[freeby4me]

I wouldn't care which lived next to me. I have a religious family right next door and gay couples around the corner.

I would much rather have the gay couple than the religious people.

The gay people dont care what im doing behind my door, though the religious people seem to think they should know. Aint none of their damn business I say!

[tngirl]

I would much rather have the gay couple than the religious people.

The gay people dont care what im doing behind my door, though the religious people seem to think they should know. Aint none of their damn business I say!
Well, maybe I should say that I have Christians living next door to me, big difference between Christians and religous people.

[PrincessArky]

Heres a thought to ponder upon, who would you rather have living next to you? Two gay people or a religious family?


It wouldnt matter to me either way.........too be honest I dont want any neighbors too close no matter who they are lol

[Bahet]

i know, i said i wasn't going to debate but consider this:
what i feel is most important is highlighted in bold. this affects the greater of society. forget about how it affects YOU personally (not aimed at you hippie, but everyone who says "why do i care what joe blow..[no pun intended] does with joe black in the bedroom?) BUT what it is doing doing our society.



HIV/AIDS and Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)


Various young men in social setting.The term men who have sex with men (MSM) refers to all men who have sex with other men, regardless of how they identify themselves (gay, bisexual, or heterosexual). In the United States, HIV and AIDS have had a tremendous impact on MSM. Consider these facts:

* AIDS has been diagnosed for more than half a million MSM. Over 300,000 MSM with AIDS have died since the beginning of the epidemic.
*
* MSM made up more than two thirds (68%) of all men living with HIV in 2005, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United States reported having sex with other men. In a 2005 study of 5 large US cities, 46% of African American MSM were HIV-postitive.

Since HIV/AIDS in MSM was first diagnosed 1981, gay and bisexual men have been leaders in dealing with the challenges of the epidemic. Gay organizations and activists, through their work, have contributed greatly to many of the guidelines for prevention, treatment, and the care of people living with HIV/AIDS.

For complex reasons, HIV/AIDS continues to take a high toll on the MSM population. For example, the number of new HIV/AIDS cases among MSM in 2005 was 11% more than the number of cases in 2001. It is unclear whether this increase is due to more testing, which results in more diagnoses, or to an increase in the number of HIV infections. Whatever the reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new HIV/AIDS cases and 71% of cases in male adults and adolescents.

Last Modified: June 28, 2007
Last Reviewed: June 28, 2007
Content Source:
Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention
National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention

here's the link: it's from the CDC so i'm pretty sure it's legit and accurate. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm

The 2nd most at risk group? Heterosexual women. The least at risk group? Lesbians.

[Bahet]

I really don't care what the Bible says. I could say "Then Jesus looked at them and said that homosexuals were abomoniations who were going to hell and nver, ever, ever should they be allowed to marry." and it still wouldn't matter to me. The law should not be based on any religion. I sure wouldn't want someone deciding that it should be perfectly legal for my husband to beat me or rape me or take another wife without my consent because someone else's religion says it's ok. Just as I highly doubt anyone else here would find that acceptable, I don't find it acceptable that someone should say their religious book says homosexuals shouldn't marry so they try to make laws based on that. If you don't like the idea of homosexuals getting married then marry someone from the opposite sex. The fact that it's wrong in someone else's religious book or they find it yucky or they are supposedly worried about diseases for them shouldn't be a basis for a law.

[Willow]

This is only my opinion but I feel that our bodies were made the way they are for a reason. A man and a woman fit perfectly. Two men or two women don't. Now that I said that I want to say that I have nothing against gay people. I knew a very flamboyant gay man that was very fun to be around.

[Njean31]

The 2nd most at risk group? Heterosexual women. The least at risk group? Lesbians.

okay, so let's just allow the lesbians to marry lol. we all know it's more acceptable for 2 girls getting in on than 2 guys. j/k!

i suppose the reason for this would be that 2 women are least likely to bring blood during sex than 2 men and maybe ejaculate has more of the virus in it than does other body fluids. but this is just a guess, i haven't researched it.

[Mom2Shaun]

For anyone who insists that we must accept the entire Bible, and that we shouldn't pick and choose (thus, we should consider homosexuality as an abomination), do you follow ALL the rules/laws in the Old Testament? What about the things in there about how anyone disrespectful to their parents should be put to death, about how to treat your slaves, how anyone who is of "mixed tribes" (mixed race) is an abomination, anyone wearing clothing of mixed fibers should be stoned to death, and on and on? Those things go against what Jesus preached in the New Testament. He preached love and told us not to judge. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I believe God wants us to love and be kind to one another, above all else (the Golden Rule).

As for having a homesexual couple or a religious Christian family next door, I don't care just as long as they don't push me to convert to their way of thinking! I find that annoying and insulting; I have my beliefs and I think they're just as valid as you think yours are! (And that's what I told my very, very pushy born-again neighbor recently, when he brought up homosexuality.)

[gmyers]

I think aids may be prevalent in heterosexual woman either because they practice unsafe sex or they think they're in a monogamous relationship so they don't feel like they need to use protection. But the person they're in the relationship with isn't being monogamous and is fooling around with other people.

[Bliss]

Heres a thought to ponder upon, who would you rather have living next to you? Two gay people or a religious family?


Gay people... Religious people are crazy & always want to be up in your business. I had one of the craziest bible thumpers walking living next to me a few years ago. This crazy woman would stand out in her front yard screaming bible scriptures. Put her toilet in the front yard and put flowers in it, the crazy b*tch would crap in buckets and throw it in my yard and the neighbor on the opposite side of her, torcher baby chicks..She was something else...I don't to much care for religious people, they are way the hell out there..


AIDS can effect us all...Allthough it was meant as a gay disease when the Government first introduced it to the homosexual population. What the Governement didn't realize at the time it would effect not only the homosexuals but the hetrosexuals as well. The AIDS debate why homosexuals shouldn't be homosexuals is a thing of the past. Did that make sense?:slap

[tngirl]

Gay people... Religious people are crazy & always want to be up in your business. I had one of the craziest bible thumpers walking living next to me a few years ago. This crazy woman would stand out in her front yard screaming bible scriptures. Put her toilet in the front yard and put flowers in it, the crazy b*tch would crap in buckets and throw it in my yard and the neighbor on the opposite side of her, torcher baby chicks..She was something else...I don't to much care for religious people, they are way the hell out there..


AIDS can effect us all...Allthough it was meant as a gay disease when the Government first introduced it to the homosexual population. What the Governement didn't realize at the time it would effect not only the homosexuals but the hetrosexuals as well. The AIDS debate why homosexuals shouldn't be homosexuals is a thing of the past. Did that make sense?:slap
So, you are saying that our government gave the virus to the homosexuals?

[Bliss]

The Government had both hands in HIV/AIDS. The Government has their hands in a lot of things..HIV/AIDS was created 25 plus yrs ago, homosexuals have been around since the dusk of dawn. Now, AIDS is/was considered a gay disease. If it was not man made, aids would have existed long before it's time. Many of the disease are man made..therefor they were created to wipe out a certain group or to lower the population... You don't have to believe it..

[Bahet]

The Government had both hands in HIV/AIDS. The Government has their hands in a lot of things..

I agreed with most of what you said until this point.

[dcut4]

The Aids virus origins has been traced back to African monkeys.......maybe thats the group the government was aiming for.

[gmyers]

The Government had both hands in HIV/AIDS. The Government has their hands in a lot of things..HIV/AIDS was created 25 plus yrs ago, homosexuals have been around since the dusk of dawn. Now, AIDS is/was considered a gay disease. If it was not man made, aids would have existed long before it's time. Many of the disease are man made..therefor they were created to wipe out a certain group. You don't have to believe it..

I'm sorry but I don't believe that. I don't know what caused it but I personally think it is a virus or disease that mutated into something a lot worse and became immune to medicines that exist now.

[Bliss]

It's cool to disagree..That's the lovely thing about life, we all have our opinions. :)

[vicky122]

The Government had both hands in HIV/AIDS. The Government has their hands in a lot of things..HIV/AIDS was created 25 plus yrs ago, homosexuals have been around since the dusk of dawn. Now, AIDS is/was considered a gay disease. If it was not man made, aids would have existed long before it's time. Many of the disease are man made..therefor they were created to wipe out a certain group or to lower the population... You don't have to believe it..

Where in the heck did you see this at??

[Shann]

The Government had both hands in HIV/AIDS. The Government has their hands in a lot of things..HIV/AIDS was created 25 plus yrs ago, homosexuals have been around since the dusk of dawn. Now, AIDS is/was considered a gay disease. If it was not man made, aids would have existed long before it's time. Many of the disease are man made..therefor they were created to wipe out a certain group or to lower the population... You don't have to believe it..

I've actually heard this this past year while at school. From what I was told, apparently the "monkey" that it came from was actually a gay man they infected to wipe out that population. Of course this is hearsay on my part, so I don't really know, but could you imagine? :slap

[gmyers]

The Government had both hands in HIV/AIDS. The Government has their hands in a lot of things..HIV/AIDS was created 25 plus yrs ago, homosexuals have been around since the dusk of dawn. Now, AIDS is/was considered a gay disease. If it was not man made, aids would have existed long before it's time. Many of the disease are man made..therefor they were created to wipe out a certain group or to lower the population... You don't have to believe it..

It may have existed years ago. Cancer was called consumption, I think, years ago. They didn't know how to treat it then but they do now. And other diseases were called by different names too.

[tarasdream]

even in the new testement it says that its wrong to be gay, that if you are you wont go to heaven but will be thrown into the lake of fire. i agree that god loves us all no matter what, but he gives you the freedom of choice we all sin and if you ask him to forgive you he will, but not if you keep doing the same thing over and over. i have gay friends and my 2 nephews are gay and i love them dearly, but i dont agree with there lifestyle but they know i love them no matter what. but it bothers me to think they wont go to heaven. we were all born equal but gay people seem to want more then what they were born with. we dont march and ask for special priveleges, if they are in a relationship and want to leave there partner something when they die put it in writing! but dont try to change the laws. now go ahead and bash away! lol!

[freeby4me]

Our government has been known to do some scarily stupid shit so I honestly would not put this past them. I've known them to do much worse. For example, how many nuclear bombs have been tested, up wind from cities with no care or caution to the affects of it?
Another one would be Drugs. The Government is well known for having their hands in that cookie jar.

[freeby4me]

even in the new testement it says that its wrong to be gay, that if you are you wont go to heaven but will be thrown into the lake of fire. i agree that god loves us all no matter what, but he gives you the freedom of choice we all sin and if you ask him to forgive you he will, but not if you keep doing the same thing over and over. i have gay friends and my 2 nephews are gay and i love them dearly, but i dont agree with there lifestyle but they know i love them no matter what. but it bothers me to think they wont go to heaven. we were all born equal but gay people seem to want more then what they were born with. we dont march and ask for special priveleges, if they are in a relationship and want to leave there partner something when they die put it in writing! but dont try to change the laws. now go ahead and bash away! lol!

But the thing is they dont want to have to die to make sure their partner gets something. How about medical coverage? Or life insurance? Or how about knowing that their SO can make THEIR decision in the hospital? Something we straight people take for granted. If your SO is in a car accident, can you go see them in the hospital? Maybe the gay person who's lying in the hospital bed dying has a christian nurse and wont let the boyfriend in, after all, she doesnt agree with their lifestyle and the rules do state "family members only" and the law says those two cant get married.
Gee, that would suck, being kept away from the one you really love all because someone else thinks "well you shouldnt be gay anyways".

Just wanted to add that yes, this little story might be a long shot and not something that has happened but the way the laws are right now, it can indeed very well happen, all legally, and that to me is more disturbing than two people of the same sex having sex.

[ahippiechic]

even in the new testement it says that its wrong to be gay, that if you are you wont go to heaven but will be thrown into the lake of fire. i agree that god loves us all no matter what, but he gives you the freedom of choice we all sin and if you ask him to forgive you he will, but not if you keep doing the same thing over and over. i have gay friends and my 2 nephews are gay and i love them dearly, but i dont agree with there lifestyle but they know i love them no matter what. but it bothers me to think they wont go to heaven. we were all born equal but gay people seem to want more then what they were born with. we dont march and ask for special priveleges, if they are in a relationship and want to leave there partner something when they die put it in writing! but dont try to change the laws. now go ahead and bash away! lol!

I honestly don't understand that part. How are they asking for MORE or for SPECIAL privledges? They are only asking for the same thing as you (as a heterosexual) have. Are they not as good as anyone else? Shouldn't they have the same rights as anyone else? Laws should be for everyone and everyone should have the same rights.

[tarasdream]

I honestly don't understand that part. How are they asking for MORE or for SPECIAL privledges? They are only asking for the same thing as you (as a heterosexual) have. Are they not as good as anyone else? Shouldn't they have the same rights as anyone else? Laws should be for everyone and everyone should have the same rights.



but the bible says its wrong and that we have to follow the law of the land( the law in our times)by law it is illegal so thay cant have those priveleges, i think thats whats wrong with the world today people dont go by the bible anymore and think its ok to do stuff that is morally wrong. im glad that im not raising little ones today because what are we teaching them?

[ahippiechic]

I am teaching mine that all people are created equal, no matter the race or sexual preference. And that all people should have the same rights.

I'm not saying that everyone has think being gay is cool. But letting them have the same legal rights as you, wouldn't hurt you any.

Edited to add that laws shouldn't be based on the Bible anyway. And if we lived by the laws as they were written, black people and women wouldn't even be able to hold land or vote or get an education.

[tarasdream]

by laws of the land means the laws in our time if 20 years from now the laws were changed that being gay was legal or that drugs were legal we would have to agree with that no matter how much we disagreed. i thought my kids to love everyone no matter what but i also tought them the bible and the things that were right and wrong. you can teach your kids to love everyone but not to agree with there lifestyle.i want my kids to love everyone and not to judge them but i dont want them hanging out with drug dealers and murders.

[freeby4me]

but the bible says its wrong and that we have to follow the law of the land( the law in our times)by law it is illegal so thay cant have those priveleges, i think thats whats wrong with the world today people dont go by the bible anymore and think its ok to do stuff that is morally wrong. im glad that im not raising little ones today because what are we teaching them?

Not to be closed minded and judgemental for one.

[ahippiechic]

But if no one challenges the laws, they won't ever change. If some brave people hadn't initiated change long ago, the laws that discriminated against women and blacks would still be on the books.

It's hard for me to sit back quietly and watch a group of people being treated unfairly, even if their lifestyle isn't one I would want for myself.

[tarasdream]

the bible says not to judge and im not judging when i read what the bible says. but our country is going down hill fast bcause of the morals our kids are tought today. if i had ever sassed my parents like kids talk to there parents today i would only have done it one time and one time only. parents(not anyone here because i know nothing of your personel lives and if i offend any one i apoligize now.)today, not all of them, use tv as babysitters, kids dont hardly go out side to play anymore, some parents, lie, steal, cheat talk bad about everyone, do drugs and in the same breath teach there children thats its wrong and get pissed if there children do the same thing. children are so disrespectful today its not even funny. i know kids that are so spoiled by the age of nine they had theire on tv, cell phone, computer, dvd player in there room. i didnt have any of that until i got old enough to work and buy my own. i just think peope should teach there kids to love and respect people but i cant honestely sit here and tell my kids when they see two men or women in a liplock that its ok, and that they should be allowed to get married. straight people dont have parades saying hey im straight. and any one can name anyone on your insurance to get your money if something happens to you.it doesnt have to be legal

[tarasdream]

they know if they chose that lifestyle they have to take the consequences for what they chose they know the law. if you chose to rob a bank and get caught you go to jail you knew it was wrong but you chose to do it any way.

[ahippiechic]

For the beneficiary, yes, they can name anyone.

But for example. My BF could not add me nor my DD on his medical and dental ins at work, because we were not married.

My friend Stephanie could not add her GF and GF's child to her ins at work because they were not married.

BF and I got married and now my DD and I are covered.
Stephanie and her GF CAN'T get married, so she can't add them to her ins.

How is that fair? They have been together as a couple for longer than DH and I have.

[ahippiechic]

they know if they chose that lifestyle they have to take the consequences for what they chose they know the law. if you chose to rob a bank and get caught you go to jail you knew it was wrong but you chose to do it any way.

I really don't see any of my gay friends as choosing their sexual oreintation.

[vicky122]

the bible says not to judge and im not judging when i read what the bible says. but our country is going down hill fast bcause of the morals our kids are tought today. if i had ever sassed my parents like kids talk to there parents today i would only have done it one time and one time only. parents(not anyone here because i know nothing of your personel lives and if i offend any one i apoligize now.)today, not all of them, use tv as babysitters, kids dont hardly go out side to play anymore, some parents, lie, steal, cheat talk bad about everyone, do drugs and in the same breath teach there children thats its wrong and get pissed if there children do the same thing. children are so disrespectful today its not even funny. i know kids that are so spoiled by the age of nine they had theire on tv, cell phone, computer, dvd player in there room. i didnt have any of that until i got old enough to work and buy my own. i just think peope should teach there kids to love and respect people but i cant honestely sit here and tell my kids when they see two men or women in a liplock that its ok, and that they should be allowed to get married. straight people dont have parades saying hey im straight. and any one can name anyone on your insurance to get your money if something happens to you.it doesnt have to be legal

To be honest with you I really dont think it is right for anyone to be lip locking . I really don't think the way kids are today is because of gay people. But I tell you what I would rather have some gay people raising kids then the way some people do.
As far as the insurance go it isn't fair. Nothing is fair for them.

[tarasdream]

some people do chose i know women who were married and had children who chose to be gay because they were abused in there marriage. my daughter cant be on her boyfriends insurance either until they get married.but a gay person cant even do that because by law it is illegal.that is something they have to deal with because of there choices. if you change the law so they can get what they want you are saying it is ok to be gay.

[vicky122]

some people do chose i know women who were married and had children who chose to be gay because they were abused in there marriage. my daughter cant be on her boyfriends insurance either until they get married.but a gay person cant even do that because by law it is illegal.that is something they have to deal with because of there choices. if you change the law so they can get what they want you are saying it is ok to be gay.

She didn't chose she might be bi. And it is ok to be gay.

[tarasdream]

the bible and the law say different, but your belief and mine are different and i respect that but ill never stand up and defy god and say its ok to be gay

[tarasdream]

i have gay friends and gay nephews and they respect my beliefs. they know i still love them anyway and will always be there for them.but they also know i dont agree with what they do.

[ahippiechic]

I don't agree with a lot of things that people do, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve the same rights as me.

Even a drug dealer or an abuser have the right to get married. Just because something is the law, doesn't make it right nor fair. Back to women voting I guess. If you had lived back then, I'm sure you wouldn't have been very pleased with the laws.

[tarasdream]

Back to women voting I guess. If you had lived back then, I'm sure you wouldn't have been very pleased with the laws.



no i wouldnt have but if it was the law i would have to accept it like it or not, the same way the gays should respect and accept the laws today.and yes some laws are stupid and not fair but most are made to protect us in some way. and to keep illegal stuff as low as possible, it is illegal for gays to get married and they should accept that.

[vicky122]

no i wouldnt have but if it was the law i would have to accept it like it or not, the same way the gays should respect and accept the laws today.and yes some laws are stupid and not fair but most are made to protect us in some way. and to keep illegal stuff as low as possible, it is illegal for gays to get married and they should accept that.

But all laws are made to be changed.

[tarasdream]

they can be but i doubt that that law will be changed anytime soon

[ahippiechic]

no i wouldnt have but if it was the law i would have to accept it like it or not, the same way the gays should respect and accept the laws today.and yes some laws are stupid and not fair but most are made to protect us in some way. and to keep illegal stuff as low as possible, it is illegal for gays to get married and they should accept that.

They should accept being discriminated against?

It used to be illegal for women and black people to vote, so are you saying that no one should have done anything to change that also? Just accept it?

It was illegal for blacks to drink at the same fountians as whites, they should have just kept quiet and done nothing to change it? Just accept it?

[ahippiechic]

they can be but i doubt that that law will be changed anytime soon

It has been changed in some states already.

[tarasdream]

your puting the black thing and the gay thing as the same the bible says it is wrong to be gay it is imoral it is also illegal for gays to marry. the bible never said that being black was wrong and the way blacks were treated was wrong and im glad that that was changed but that and the gay issue are two different things.

[vicky122]

It is illegal to be gay??? You mean the people that are gay could go to jail??

[ilovecats]

your puting the black thing and the gay thing as the same the bible says it is wrong to be gay it is imoral it is also illegal. the bible never said that being black was wrong and the way blacks were treated was wrong and im glad that that was changed but that and the gay issue are two different things.

It is illegal to be gay?

ETA It is legal for gays to marry in my state.It must be A ploy to arrest them.

[Bahet]

When did you chose to be heterosexual? I don't recall thinking "Hmmm... should I date a guy or a girl?" I just liked guys. I'd see a good looking guy and have a totally different reaction than if I see a good looking woman. I can appreciate Angelina Jolie's beauty. She's gorgeous. But I have absolutely no desire to kiss her. Now George Clooney is a whole other story and I'd be all over him.

My sister is gay. Sh's always been gay. She used to date guys back in high school and even into college but she did it because it was expected of her. She tells me now that kissing her boyfriends was close to how I would feel kissing Angelina Jolie. I could do it but it's not appealling and there would be no passion. Now she's with a wonderful woman and has been for years. You can see the happiness on her face and even after years with her she's still far more passionate with her girlfriend than she ever was with a boyfriend.

On the plus side for gays, if they have the ability to itemize they pay less in taxes than a married couple. My sister uses the money I save her and her grilfriend in taxes to pay for the lawyer she needs to draw up all the legal paperwork that I get simply because I said "I do" to a man.

[Bahet]

I think it's immoral to be judgemental, tell someone else they will go to hell, or try to make others live their lives based on religious beliefs they may or may not follow. Too bad those things aren't illegal.

[tarasdream]

well im not immoral my bible and my god says its wrong maybe yours doesnt. ive said before i respect everyone and there beliefs i have not bashed anyone. so please respect mine. to insinuate i am immoral is wrong and you shoulld be ashamed

[ahippiechic]

your puting the black thing and the gay thing as the same the bible says it is wrong to be gay it is imoral it is also illegal for gays to marry. the bible never said that being black was wrong and the way blacks were treated was wrong and im glad that that was changed but that and the gay issue are two different things.

But the Bible shouldn't have anything to do with the law. But where religion DOES have something to do with the law, those are the places where women get stoned for doing the same things I do everyday.

I keep bring up minorities and women being able to vote, because that is a valid example of how laws can be changed to be fair to everyone.

If it the were changed today, saying that you were no longer being given the benifit of marraige, would you just accept it and say nothing? I really hope not.

The whole "just accept it because it's the law, don't question the laws', reminds me of nazi Germany.

Gay people are still people, they deserve the same rights as other people. The same as you, me and the drug dealer on the corner have. Just like blacks and women are people and they deserved the rights they fought for & got (and way before they got them, too)

[ahippiechic]

well im not immoral my bible and my god says its wrong maybe yours doesnt. ive said before i respect everyone and there beliefs i have not bashed anyone. so please respect mine. to insinuate i am immoral is wrong and you shoulld be ashamed

Then to to insinuate that others are immoral is also shame? She is doing nothing more than you have done. But it bothers most people more when it is directed at them.

[tarasdream]

If it the were changed today, saying that you were no longer being given the benifit of marraige, would you just accept it and say nothing? I really hope not.




no i wouldnt but the bible and the laws never said it was wrong for a man and a woman to get married just that it is wrong for 2 men and 2 women, and no i dont agree with the laws in other countries but it is there law and we cannot change it.and i never said they were immoral the bible said it i didnt.and direct it at me all you want i have tried to be nice but i see im not getting that same respect.

[ahippiechic]

How are you not getting respect? I've been very nice. We're having a discussion, I thought. I wasn't knocking your right to feel as you do.

I haven't even said "well, bless your heart........" yet. :D

Seriously tho, I think we're arguing 2 different things. I'm talking about our laws and you're talking about the Bible. I think every human being should have the same basic rights. You don't. Guess we'll have to leave it at that.

[Bliss]

your puting the black thing and the gay thing as the same the bible says it is wrong to be gay it is imoral it is also illegal for gays to marry. the bible never said that being black was wrong and the way blacks were treated was wrong and im glad that that was changed but that and the gay issue are two different things.



The bible is full of contradictions. If the bible said jump off cliff, would you do it cause the bible said so?

If "God" loves all his children equally, why in the hell would "God" shun his children who are homosexuals? If God create man and was against homosexuality why did he create homosexuals? It does say "God created all living things." It doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense. The bible to me is a poorly written fairytale, it's not based on proven facts.

People have the right to live their lives they way they see fit. No one has the right to tell another human being how they should live their lives because they read it's a sin out of a book.

[galeane29]

I totaly agree with tarasdream. Those that have not read the bible might believe that homosexuality is ok. But those of us that have read and do live by the bible know it is wrong. There was a reason a MAN and a WOMAN were made, we were put here to procreate and to teach. Two men or two women cannot procreate. It just doesnt work. I do not condone homosexuality. I do not judge those that are gay but In my opinion it is wrong. Do as you may but dont bring it in my house.

[ilovecats]

The bible is full of contradictions. If the bible said jump off cliff, would you do it cause the bible said so?

If "God" loves all his children equally, why in the hell would "God" shun his children who are homosexuals? If God create man and was against homosexuality why did he create homosexuals? It does say "God created all living things." It doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense. The bible to me is a poorly written fairytale, it's not based on proven facts.

People have the right to live their lives they way they see fit. No one has the right to tell another human being how they should live their lives because they read it's a sin out of a book.

Because these people do not believe he created homosexuals,they believe they chose to be that way.

[ilovecats]

I totaly agree with tarasdream. Those that have not read the bible might believe that homosexuality is ok. But those of us that have read and do live by the bible know it is wrong. There was a reason a MAN and a WOMAN were made, we were put here to procreate and to teach. Two men or two women cannot procreate. It just doesnt work. I do not condone homosexuality. I do not judge those that are gay but In my opinion it is wrong. Do as you may but dont bring it in my house.

So if A man and woman are fertile,should they still marry?
ETA You don't judge?but it is wrong?

[dv8grl]

I'm not having kids, does that mean DH & I should seperate?

SOME PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE OFF THERE ROSE COLORED GLASSES & COME TO THE REAL WORLD!!!!

[Bliss]

Where in the heck did you see this at??

Do your research you may learn something.

[fjp999]

:dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

Love ya Bliss and ahippiechic and sooo many others who support the boogeyman/woman.

Shining light on the things that scare others make it less scary.

There is so much I could say but it wont matter or change anything.

Just be happy and gay.

love,
frank
:getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou:getyou :getyou :getyou:getyou :getyou :getyou

[flute]

Irregardless of how I feel it's illegal where I live and I must abide by the laws of this land.

[flute]

The bible is full of contradictions.

Is not. Now who hasn't done her homework?

[Bliss]

Is not. Now who hasn't done her homework?

Yes, it is! The bible is full of errors & contradictions. It was written by man - last time I check, man was not perfect. Just like man, the bible is not perfect. Read it with an open mind and you will see all the contradictions.

[flute]

I have.
I can't see what not's there.

[Bliss]

:dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

Love ya Bliss and ahippiechic and sooo many others who support the boogeyman/woman.

Shining light on the things that scare others make it less scary.

There is so much I could say but it wont matter or change anything.

Just be happy and gay.

love,
frank
:getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou :getyou:getyou :getyou :getyou:getyou :getyou :getyou


People shouldn't condemn others for their lifestyle, as long as no one is hurting anyone. It's all good... Some people think they need to control how others should live their lives. :star:

[Bliss]

I have.
I can't see what not's there.

It's in black & white...Of course someone who believes in the bible isn't going to see it. You are taught to believe what is written and not question it.

[flute]

I am?
I have?

Seem to know an awful lot about me for having never spoken to me before haven't you?

[Bliss]

LMAO ~ No need to get your bloomers in a bunch. I didn't mean "You" as in you personally.

[janelle]

Let's think about this from another angle. Let's pretend there is no God for a moment. We know ancient people would look at sickness as a sin. If someone got sick then they brought it upon themselves by doing something evil.

I don't believe there is anything new under the sun. What is happening now has happened in the past. Now assume the ancient peoples saw homosexuals getting a dreaded disease and they were dying off. Those by-sexual people who had sexual relations with them were dying off. In ancient times this would be because they were sinners and doing something evil. They had no medicines to stop the disease then so people died rather fast as compared to today. The elders would tell the people in the community it is evil and a sin to engage in that kind of activity. You will go to hell to scare them and they would die.

The bible is a book on how to live a good AND a healthy life. People could see heterosexual relationships as being the healthiest. They only had to observe to know heterosexual, monogamous relationships were the healthiest. It brought no disease, it multiplied the community with new people being born. Everything about heterosexual, monogamous was good and not evil for the community to thrive.

The ancient people would know what was the best way to live and also believed those who got sick were evil. Now of course we know better and it is a disease. BUT that still does not make it any easier to stop the disease it brings and now the infection has a name---AIDS. We know it isn't evil per say but it is still not healthy.

AIDS started in the gay community then spread to heterosexuals. Who says homosexuality is harmless. The way gay men have sex is the way this infection is spread the easiest. Through the rectum. Once one has the disease it is spread though blood products so heterosexuals can get the disease. Remember the woman who got it from her dentist? The child who got it by a blood transfusion? Now every health care worker wears latex gloves. In ancient times they would say homosexuals were evil and brought death. They would be banned and sent away. The infection would die out since the ones who had it would die out.

Now we have to deal with this dread disease in our times. What do we do? Even a doctor here who is a pioneer in studying AIDS (doctors come to here to learn about how to treat it from her) is saying right now the only way we can eradicate this disease is by being monogamous. The heterosexual, monogamous relationships are the ones who will not get AIDS. If you are in other relationships you are at risk.

Let's take the right/wrong, good/sinful out of it. AIDS is an epidemic killing millions of people who are now infected. I don't think you will get society to look upon gays as a healthy lifestyle. The government cannot stop people from having sex with whoever they will but they have shut down bath houses and places where AIDS may be spread. That is all they can do. People will engage in the lifestyle they want but it does have consequences to all of society. And being married will not stop people from having affairs.

[tarasdream]

Yes, it is! The bible is full of errors & contradictions. It was written by man - last time I check, man was not perfect. Just like man, the bible is not perfect. Read it with an open mind and you will see all the contradictions



god wrote the bible, all man did was copy it over so it was easier to understand.

[tarasdream]

I totaly agree with tarasdream. Those that have not read the bible might believe that homosexuality is ok. But those of us that have read and do live by the bible know it is wrong. There was a reason a MAN and a WOMAN were made, we were put here to procreate and to teach. Two men or two women cannot procreate. It just doesnt work. I do not condone homosexuality. I do not judge those that are gay but In my opinion it is wrong. Do as you may but dont bring it in my house.



im glad someone else is not afraid to stand up for what the bible says it breaks my heart to see so many people not caring what the bible says and not following god. god loves everyone even murderes but they deserve to go on death row for what they do. god gives you choices just like in the bible he gave gays the chance to stop they chose not too. thus we had sodom and gomorrah a whole town destroyed.i like and respect everyone here and im glad we are so far acting like adults .but i cant change the way i feel.

[dispatcher]

whoever makes them happy

[tarasdream]

whoever makes them happy



the bible also says its wrong to murder steal etc. should we let them continue to murder, to steal, gays be together and get married just because it makes them happy?

[vicky122]

Do your research you may learn something.

Oh I am so sorry I guess I am not as smart as you think you are.

[Njean31]

Shining light on the things that scare others make it less scary.



i've always loved that idea, that people who don't agree with homosexuality is scared of it. LOLOLOLOL. I am so not scared of a homo, give me a break. as a matter of fact, i'm at work right this second and am fixing to give an HIV infected homosexual his drug cocktail. just accept the fact that some people do not condone it and that doesn't make us scared, religious fanatics, uneducated or close minded. on the contrary, i'm educated and very open minded.......i've explored every angle of it. i simply think it's against nature. it spreads disease. it's plain disgusting in my opinion. anal sex between anyone is just plain disgusting IN MY OPINION. this is my right and i will never change my mind. the best i can do is try to educate folks on safe sex. and of course, i believe it's against God's will. weather or not Jesus spoke of it in the new testament or not, it's in the old OVER AND OVER and wasn't "revised".

[tarasdream]

i've always loved that idea, that people who don't agree with homosexuality is scared of it. LOLOLOLOL. I am so not scared of a homo, give me a break. as a matter of fact, i'm at work right this second and am fixing to give an HIV infected homosexual his drug cocktail. just accept the fact that some people do not condone it and that doesn't make us scared, religious fanatics, uneducated or close minded. on the contrary, i'm educated and very open minded.......i've explored every angle of it. i simply think it's against nature. it spreads disease. it's plain disgusting in my opinion. anal sex between anyone is just plain disgusting IN MY OPINION. this is my right and i will never change my mind. the best i can do is try to educate folks on safe sex. and of course, i believe it's against God's will. weather or not Jesus spoke of it in the new testament or not, it's in the old OVER AND OVER and wasn't "revised".



i so agree!! and yes it is in the new testament it says that homosexuals will not go to heaven but will be thrown into the lake of fire. im not scared of them i have gay friends and family members that are gay,im very educated and open minded but right is right and wrong is wrong.

[PrincessArky]

you know I am not gonna sit here and judge what is right or wrong in this situation but I will tell ya from what I learned there are MANY reasons ya can go to hell and I was pretty sure I learned that we arent supposed to be the ones to judge others........The way that some ppl act are exactly the reason I stopped going to church........nothing like those ppl that are nice to your face then talk about ya the other 6 days a week.

[freeby4me]

i so agree!! and yes it is in the new testament it says that homosexuals will not go to heaven but will be thrown into the lake of fire. im not scared of them i have gay friends and family members that are gay,im very educated and open minded but right is right and wrong is wrong.

I think you've got this wrong. YOUR right and wrong. Not someone elses.

I take back my earlier post about this thread not being someone trying to beat us over the head with the bible. It was only a matter of time I guess.

[tngirl]

you know I am not gonna sit here and judge what is right or wrong in this situation but I will tell ya from what I learned there are MANY reasons ya can go to hell and I was pretty sure I learned that we arent supposed to be the ones to judge others........The way that some ppl act are exactly the reason I stopped going to church........nothing like those ppl that are nice to your face then talk about ya the other 6 days a week.
You are right Princess, there are many different actions that can cause us to go to hell. But, just because someone has an opinion, whether favorable or not, about something does not mean they are sitting in judgement. Why does that only come up when we are talking about homosexuality? Why is it okay to not like one thing and then something else is considered judgemental? I don't like liars and thieves either, but no one would consider that judgemental. I think adultry is wrong, does that make me judgemental?

No one ever answered my question about bigomy. Why don't we leglize that?

[PrincessArky]

You are right Princess, there are many different actions that can cause us to go to hell. But, just because someone has an opinion, whether favorable or not, about something does not mean they are sitting in judgement. Why does that only come up when we are talking about homosexuality? Why is it okay to not like one thing and then something else is considered judgemental? I don't like liars and thieves either, but no one would consider that judgemental. I think adultry is wrong, does that make me judgemental?

No one ever answered my question about bigomy. Why don't we leglize that?

maybe it isnt being judgemental on the gay thing but in my opinion it is and I would love to know if the ones that are so against gay marriage and believe they are going to hell for being gay BUT say they have gay friends actually tell them they are going to hell or do they just come here and say it behind their backs. I think ppl are judgemenatl on way more things than just being gay.

As for legalizing bigomy go ahead wouldnt hurt my feelings either way......I know hubby wouldnt get another wife nobody else could put up with him lol

[freeby4me]

You are right Princess, there are many different actions that can cause us to go to hell. But, just because someone has an opinion, whether favorable or not, about something does not mean they are sitting in judgement. Why does that only come up when we are talking about homosexuality? Why is it okay to not like one thing and then something else is considered judgemental? I don't like liars and thieves either, but no one would consider that judgemental. I think adultry is wrong, does that make me judgemental?

No one ever answered my question about bigomy. Why don't we leglize that?

Why do you think it should or shouldnt be legalized? I personally could care less.

[tarasdream]

maybe it isnt being judgemental on the gay thing but in my opinion it is and I would love to know if the ones that are so against gay marriage and believe they are going to hell for being gay BUT say they have gay friends actually tell them they are going to hell or do they just come here and say it behind their backs. I think ppl are judgemenatl on way more things than just being gay.



yes i have told my gay friends and family members what the bible says i have showed it to them, i would never go behind there back. they know i love them anyway! they know that i want whats best for them. you talk about judgement but people do it everyday on these boards when they bash someone about something they have to say. im not judging anyone only god can do that. but people need to listen to what god says and the world wouldnt be in such a mess.

[PrincessArky]

yes i have told my gay friends and family members what the bible says i have showed it to them, i would never go behind there back. they know i love them anyway! they know that i want whats best for them. you talk about judgement but people do it everyday on these boards when they bash someone about something they have to say. im not judging anyone only god can do that. but people need to listen to what god says and the world wouldnt be in such a mess.

well thats great that you are honest with them so many ppl arent and yep you are right there is tons of judgemental ppl in the world including this board. Believe it or not I spent my life in church until the past couple of years so I know tons that are in there and I do try to live a good life but I won't pretend that I don't fall short cause I certainly do but at the same time you have to remember there are ppl here and in this world that do not believe in God or the Bible therefore telling them they are going to hell goes in one ear and out the other.

[suprtruckr]

i'm a lesbian :rolling



I do not condone homosexuality. I do not judge those that are gay but In my opinion it is wrong. Do as you may but dont bring it in my house.

ok with all the back and forth going on here i just have to ask, situation: your child calls, lets say a daughter, and says "mom i have something to tell you", you say 'ok i'm listening', she then says "i have a girlfriend and she makes me happy" you gonna turn your back on her?

the reason i ask is this i just had the same conversation with my daughter, no gay is not for me but i'm not gonna lose my daughter if thats her choice i'm looking at it like i gained another daughter

[Bahet]

Let's think about this from another angle. Let's pretend there is no God for a moment. We know ancient people would look at sickness as a sin. If someone got sick then they brought it upon themselves by doing something evil.

I don't believe there is anything new under the sun. What is happening now has happened in the past. Now assume the ancient peoples saw homosexuals getting a dreaded disease and they were dying off. Those by-sexual people who had sexual relations with them were dying off. In ancient times this would be because they were sinners and doing something evil. They had no medicines to stop the disease then so people died rather fast as compared to today. The elders would tell the people in the community it is evil and a sin to engage in that kind of activity. You will go to hell to scare them and they would die.

The bible is a book on how to live a good AND a healthy life. People could see heterosexual relationships as being the healthiest. They only had to observe to know heterosexual, monogamous relationships were the healthiest. It brought no disease, it multiplied the community with new people being born. Everything about heterosexual, monogamous was good and not evil for the community to thrive.

The ancient people would know what was the best way to live and also believed those who got sick were evil. Now of course we know better and it is a disease. BUT that still does not make it any easier to stop the disease it brings and now the infection has a name---AIDS. We know it isn't evil per say but it is still not healthy.

AIDS started in the gay community then spread to heterosexuals. Who says homosexuality is harmless. The way gay men have sex is the way this infection is spread the easiest. Through the rectum. Once one has the disease it is spread though blood products so heterosexuals can get the disease. Remember the woman who got it from her dentist? The child who got it by a blood transfusion? Now every health care worker wears latex gloves. In ancient times they would say homosexuals were evil and brought death. They would be banned and sent away. The infection would die out since the ones who had it would die out.

Now we have to deal with this dread disease in our times. What do we do? Even a doctor here who is a pioneer in studying AIDS (doctors come to here to learn about how to treat it from her) is saying right now the only way we can eradicate this disease is by being monogamous. The heterosexual, monogamous relationships are the ones who will not get AIDS. If you are in other relationships you are at risk.

Let's take the right/wrong, good/sinful out of it. AIDS is an epidemic killing millions of people who are now infected. I don't think you will get society to look upon gays as a healthy lifestyle. The government cannot stop people from having sex with whoever they will but they have shut down bath houses and places where AIDS may be spread. That is all they can do. People will engage in the lifestyle they want but it does have consequences to all of society. And being married will not stop people from having affairs.

The key word is monogamous, not heterosexual. 2 gay men who don't use intravenous drugs and who have never been with anyone else will not get AIDS if they continue to be faithful to each other.

Also, while AIDS may have started as a gay disease, what about syphillis, gonorrhea, clymedia, herpes, etc? All of those have been around for much longer, some for centuries, and all started in the heterosexual community.

[dv8grl]

Also, while AIDS may have started as a gay disease, what about syphillis, gonorrhea, clymedia, herpes, etc? All of those have been around for much longer, some for centuries, and all started in the heterosexual community.
and... don't forget that all of those VDs are on the rise in the HETEROSEXUAL community.

[PrincessArky]

the reason i ask is this i just had the same conversation with my daughter, no gay is not for me but i'm not gonna lose my daughter if thats her choice i'm looking at it like i gained another daughter

oh that is wonderful that you love her like that.......I have had parents tell me that they would have nothing to do with their kids if they were gay :( Even my ex said the same thing about my oldest son. He is only 12 and he might just be a bit "girly" but he might be gay and I guess only time will tell but I know I will love him no matter what because well he is the one that God picked for me to have and that can't be wrong

[Bahet]

the bible also says its wrong to murder steal etc. should we let them continue to murder, to steal, gays be together and get married just because it makes them happy?

Murderers and thieves hurt other people. A gay couple does not.

[ahippiechic]

oh that is wonderful that you love her like that.......I have had parents tell me that they would have nothing to do with their kids if they were gay :( Even my ex said the same thing about my oldest son. He is only 12 and he might just be a bit "girly" but he might be gay and I guess only time will tell but I know I will love him no matter what because well he is the one that God picked for me to have and that can't be wrong

See, this is common sense. We don't have to believe in what anyone else does. But when we don't agree, but tolerate and accept the person anyway, that is what love is.

[tarasdream]

ok with all the back and forth going on here i just have to ask, situation: your child calls, lets say a daughter, and says "mom i have something to tell you", you say 'ok i'm listening', she then says "i have a girlfriend and she makes me happy" you gonna turn your back on her?


no i could never turn my back on my daughters, i might not like it but i would love her no matter what, it would break my heart but god does love us all no matter what he just gives us the choice to change, you can blame that on adam and eve if they hadnt ate the apple we wouldnt have to worry about there being a hell to go to.

[Army-Mom]

i'm a lesbian :rolling




ok with all the back and forth going on here i just have to ask, situation: your child calls, lets say a daughter, and says "mom i have something to tell you", you say 'ok i'm listening', she then says "i have a girlfriend and she makes me happy" you gonna turn your back on her?

the reason i ask is this i just had the same conversation with my daughter, no gay is not for me but i'm not gonna lose my daughter if thats her choice i'm looking at it like i gained another daughter

sending hugs. I have a neice that is gay and no one in our family turned their back on her..she loves who she loves..I myself it isnt for me and I really dont beleive in it but who am I to tell someone who to love. just love your daughter and always be there for her and if she ever has her heart broke she will know she can come and talk with daddy..

[Willow]

My aunt on my mother's side has three grown children and two of them are gay. Her daughter is gay and her youngest son is gay. He's also a priest. Everyone in our family are Protestant but when my aunt married my uncle she became a Catholic because that's what he is.

[hunny]

I am not against gay marriage
I say be with someone you love and loves you back (reguarless of sex,race etc..)

BTW i do believe in God and i also believe in equal rights for all.

[flute]

LMAO ~ No need to get your bloomers in a bunch. I didn't mean "You" as in you personally.


I am just pointing out you don't know anything about me.
We're just talking here. This is one of the most civilized threads on a tender subject I've saw.

kudos to us. And by "us" I mean pretty much anyone responding to and not responding to this thread.

[flute]

ay men have sex is the way this infection is spread the easiest. Through the rectum.

Now Janelle I happen to agree with a lot you post. But, with this sentence, isn't it a fair assumption to say that monogomas/heterosexual couples engaging in anal sex also have a high likeliehood of contracting AIDS?
Or am I mistaken?

This is a very tender subject, indeed where we all have our own beliefs and, regardless of our trying, we can't make anyone agree with us.

[Bahet]

Monogamous couples where neither one has AIDS cannot contract that or any other disease through anal or any other form of sex with each other. It doesn't matter if they are gay or straight. What matters is if they are faithful to each other.

[ahippiechic]

I'm not even trying to change anyone minds who thinks that being gay is immoral or against the Bible.

I'm just saying that as far as the law is concerned, I DO believe it discriminates against gays. They are people just like any straight person, and should have the same rights as anyone else who wants to get married. Who you have sex with shouldn't have ANY impact on your rights. I think people who cheat on their SO's are immoral, in certian circumstances, but I still think they should have the same legal rights as everyone else.

[earnhardt1]

i beleive there are soem gay parents who are 100 times better than the slacker parents allowd to have as many kids as they want... so yes i agree with gay relationships......

[PrincessArky]

My aunt on my mother's side has three grown children and two of them are gay. Her daughter is gay and her youngest son is gay. He's also a priest. Everyone in our family are Protestant but when my aunt married my uncle she became a Catholic because that's what he is.

The priest is gay? now I am confused I thought preist coudln't have sex so does that mean he has sex or just that he like the same sex?

[Willow]

The priest is gay? now I am confused I thought preist coudln't have sex so does that mean he has sex or just that he like the same sex?

I don't understand it either. LOL From what my aunt has told my mother is that he is living with a man (also another priest I believe) and has admitted to her that he is gay.

[PrincessArky]

I don't understand it either. LOL From what my aunt has told my mother is that he is living with a man (also another priest I believe) and has admitted to her that he is gay.

wow I didnt know they could do that........see I learn something new on this board everyday :)

[Willow]

wow I didnt know they could do that........see I learn something new on this board everyday :)

Some people make up their own rules as they go along so maybe that's the case with them. LOL

[Bliss]

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I am just pointing out you don't know anything about me.

I never said or implied I did. I don't know why you are "pointing it out" to me.





The priest is gay?

Some are child molesters. It's no surprise some are gay.

They do make up their our rules.

I don't remember the persons name who quoted me saying "the bible was written by God." The bible was not written by god, it was written by man.

[tarasdream]

I don't remember the persons name who quoted me saying "the bible was written by God." The bible was not written by god, it was written by man.
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the bible was not written by man it was written by god all man did was translate it so we could understand it, this is common knowledge if you would just research it.

[galeane29]

2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book.

[janelle]

The Catholic church is not against gay people it is against gay sex. So if a priest is gay and celibate---which all priests are to be celibate---then he will be allowed to stay a priest. If that priest was having an affair with anyone else---another priest or any person gay or straight as with straight priests then that would be grounds for dismissal. Of course, it would have to be brought to the superior's attention. Many sins are done in private but then the person will have to answer to God eventually. Two gay priests having sex and keeping it quiet will have to answer to God.

And as far a sexual diseases, yes the church has condemned any sex outside of marriage and with more than one person. Society has known this is the healthiest way to live so one stays clear of sexual diseases. I'm trying to stay away from religion on this topic for the most part to show heterosexual, monogamous relationships are the best for society as a whole.

When my hubby worked for some gynecologists in a small town they said all the young people they saw in their practice in that town shared the same venereal diseases. They were passing the diseases around with multiple partners. How sad. So straights are also not being smart on sexual practices as well. We all need to be careful. The bible is a book telling us how to live a healthy life if you look at it that way.

I met a formerly gay man who says he has come out of it. He married and has a family. As a matter if fact I went to his seminar on how to have a good marriage. I bought his book. When I asked him about homosexuals he said. Quote----"putting a penis into someone's anus is not love!!!!" Now from my point of view he said it more forcefully than necessary. Is he still having those desires? That is not for me to say but if he is then he is trying to stay away from it and living a heterosexual life with his wife and children. You know we all have sins we struggle with all our lives. Getting away from religion I would say we all have hardships we have to deal with all our lives but we do it because we know it is for the best.

No one knows who is gay and who is straight or bi unless that person tells us. My hubby has two aunts who have never married. They both have lived with a person of the same sex their whole lives. One aunt and her "roommate" even raised two children together. Are they gay? I don't know nor do I care. If they are they never made a big deal out of it.

One aunt died and I believe her "roommate" was very well taken care in her estate. They had no problems with any financial dealings. As far as insurance I guess you can't put anyone on your benefits unless there are related by blood or marriage. I think that is even changing with some companies. I just do not see the need for homosexuals to marry for any benefits and it seems strange that straights are staying single and living together to avoid legal hassles but gays are wanting to get married to avoid legal hassles.

[vicky122]

i'm a lesbian :rolling




ok with all the back and forth going on here i just have to ask, situation: your child calls, lets say a daughter, and says "mom i have something to tell you", you say 'ok i'm listening', she then says "i have a girlfriend and she makes me happy" you gonna turn your back on her?

the reason i ask is this i just had the same conversation with my daughter, no gay is not for me but i'm not gonna lose my daughter if thats her choice i'm looking at it like i gained another daughter

My son is gay. And guess what he was a gift from GOD. Do you really think people that are gay have a choice in what they are? I was at school one day we was walking down the hall and kids were yelling faggot and I started after them and my son grabed my arm and said mom let it go. I was at that time just beaming because he took the high road and was a much better person then them. Now I am not saying it is easy or was easy for us.
But all I knew is we as his parents want him to have the kind of love that his dad and me have. I want him to live happy. My son would give the shrit off his back to help anyone. He tells who he wants how he wants and when he wants.

[tngirl]

the bible was not written by man it was written by god all man did was translate it so we could understand it, this is common knowledge if you would just research it.
The Bible was NOT written by God. The Bible was written by men that decided to put into writing the stories that had been passed down through the generations.

[tngirl]

Okay, what is my opinion on gay marriage. Since I cannot "condone" homosexuality, I cannot not support gay marriage. Do I hate gay people? No. Do I believe they have the right to be happy? Yes. Now, I know this all sound wishy washy, but that is how I feel.

If one of my children came to me and told me that they were gay, no I would NOT turn my back on them or love them any less. Bringing the SO home may be a problem but I would be willing to compromise. If that person is good to my child then I would want them as part of my family and feel welcome in my home, and they would be. My only problem would be them sharing a bed. Call that what you may, but I would hope the person would be willing to respect my hang ups.

[galeane29]

The Bible was NOT written by God. The Bible was written by men that decided to put into writing the stories that had been passed down through the generations.



I guess you did not see my post

2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book

Man wrote as God desired. The Bible is a mixture of ancient oral traditional teachings, accounts of actual historical events and the truth of how God wants us to behave.

(Romans 1:26-28 NKJV)26} For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. {27} Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. {28} And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

Note: Homosexual lusts, both female and male are called "vile passions" "against nature" and "not fitting".


(1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NKJV) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, {10} nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. {11} And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God

(Leviticus 18:22 NKJV) 'You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

(Leviticus 20:13 NKJV) 'If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.


And also...those that just believe in God or believe there is a God....doesnt make you a Christian. You have to follow Gods word. Read your bible and do your research. Homosexuality is plainly an abomination...it ranks up there with murder and that includes abortion! Plain and simple

[freeby4me]

INSPIRED and WRITTEN are two very different things.

[Bahet]

Quoting the Bible as proof that the Bible was written by God is rather silly. I could say this post was written by God and I just helped type the words but that hardly means I've proven that this post was written by God.

If the Bible was really written by God you'd think there wouldn't be so many different versions out there. It reminds me of a joke I heard before. A new priest asked a bishop why priests weren't allowed to get married. The bishop told him it was written in the original language and those could be found in the basement. The priest went downstairs to read it for himself. After a long time the bishop went downstairs and found the young priest sitting in front of the original papers, crying. He asked what's wrong and the priest replied "It says 'celebrate'!"

[ahippiechic]

Quoting the Bible as proof that the Bible was written by God is rather silly. I could say this post was written by God and I just helped type the words but that hardly means I've proven that this post was written by God.

If the Bible was really written by God you'd think there wouldn't be so many different versions out there. It reminds me of a joke I heard before. A new priest asked a bishop why priests weren't allowed to get married. The bishop told him it was written in the original language and those could be found in the basement. The priest went downstairs to read it for himself. After a long time the bishop went downstairs and found the young priest sitting in front of the original papers, crying. He asked what's wrong and the priest replied "It says 'celebrate'!"

LMAO!

[freeby4me]

I guess you did not see my post

2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book

Man wrote as God desired. The Bible is a mixture of ancient oral traditional teachings, accounts of actual historical events and the truth of how God wants us to behave.

(Romans 1:26-28 NKJV)26} For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. {27} Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. {28} And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

Note: Homosexual lusts, both female and male are called "vile passions" "against nature" and "not fitting".


(1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NKJV) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, {10} nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. {11} And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God

(Leviticus 18:22 NKJV) 'You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

(Leviticus 20:13 NKJV) 'If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.


And also...those that just believe in God or believe there is a God....doesnt make you a Christian. You have to follow Gods word. Read your bible and do your research. Homosexuality is plainly an abomination...it ranks up there with murder and that includes abortion! Plain and simple

Is this another one of those laws that we're supposed to be following? Or is this another one of those pick and choose which laws from the Bible one is supposed to follow.....so long as it fits their agenda right.

[flute]

If the Bible was really written by God you'd think there wouldn't be so many different versions out there.

Well if God really founded each & every church out there, why are there so many different versions of that, then?
Each & every leader of each & every church claims it's God -inspired.
Is it really?


The Catholic church is not against gay people it is against gay sex.

You said a mouthful there and you are correct. There is nothing wrong with 'being' gay it is the act of 'gay sex' that is shameful to God.
There is, in fact, that I've heard of an entire group of gay (men I think but perhaps women as well) who are gay who live by God's word, they live together but do not enjoy each other sexually.

[earnhardt1]

wow there is some crazy god talk in here that i majorly differ in but the main thing that pisses me off is the ppl who say because i dont go to church i am less catholic than another.... bullshit... when we got married in march at the church i received all my sacraments in the priest knew i didnt go to church anymore and he said it is ok aslong as i try to go more often..... i dont see the need to sit in a building just to beleive in god......

[tngirl]

I guess you did not see my post

2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book

Man wrote as God desired. The Bible is a mixture of ancient oral traditional teachings, accounts of actual historical events and the truth of how God wants us to behave.

(Romans 1:26-28 NKJV)26} For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. {27} Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. {28} And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

Note: Homosexual lusts, both female and male are called "vile passions" "against nature" and "not fitting".


(1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NKJV) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, {10} nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. {11} And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God

(Leviticus 18:22 NKJV) 'You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

(Leviticus 20:13 NKJV) 'If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.


And also...those that just believe in God or believe there is a God....doesnt make you a Christian. You have to follow Gods word. Read your bible and do your research. Homosexuality is plainly an abomination...it ranks up there with murder and that includes abortion! Plain and simple

Parts, maybe inspired, but not ALL. The Gospels are stories handed down by the Apostles. Genesis is the story told to Moses by God but not written down until centuries later. There is even belief that even the Apostles did not actually write their "books".

The translations into english we can only pray were inspired by godly men. But, I guess we will have to take their word on that.

[flute]

Is this another one of those laws that we're supposed to be following? Or is this another one of those pick and choose which laws from the Bible one is supposed to follow.....so long as it fits their agenda right.

Yea I have my issues with that religion as well. (I forgot the name of it?) :rules :rules
Pu-leeze you say you don't cut your hair. Hello - you do too. Ever seen Crystal Gale? If you didn't cut your hair it'd be as long as hers. She is a woman who truely only trims her hair.

They also say the women don't wear pants. One of them is my neighbor. (what religion is that? The one where they say the women don't wear pants & say the women don't cut their hair? But of course it's just words as they do...Presbetarian? Pentacostal? Pentacostal I think and I'm surely butchering the spelling) That's another false statement as I've saw her in sweat pants. Hello -

[flute]

wow there is some crazy god talk in here that i majorly differ in but the main thing that pisses me off is the ppl who say because i dont go to church i am less catholic than another....

(((hugs)))
My priest said some ugly things to me and I took a couple months off from Mass as well.
Sorry you feel attacked .

[cSoReNSoN]

Separation of Church and State............

[ahippiechic]

Separation of Church and State............

Yeah, that!

[freeby4me]

Yea I have my issues with that religion as well. (I forgot the name of it?) :rules :rules
Pu-leeze you say you don't cut your hair. Hello - you do too. Ever seen Crystal Gale? If you didn't cut your hair it'd be as long as hers. She is a woman who truely only trims her hair.

They also say the women don't wear pants. One of them is my neighbor. (what religion is that? The one where they say the women don't wear pants & say the women don't cut their hair? But of course it's just words as they do...Presbetarian? Pentacostal? Pentacostal I think and I'm surely butchering the spelling) That's another false statement as I've saw her in sweat pants. Hello -

:stunned :stunned

[janelle]

For those who think the bible has been messed up from all the translations. This is wrong. When they found the lost scrolls they matched the current version of the bible so I believe God has preserved the bible as it was written. Course, this is faith but it doesn't make sense that God would reveal his word to man and then let it get mucked all up.

The only mucking going on is private interpretations of the bible done by various people. We can understand the bible for the most part but need scholars to teach us other parts. When we understand it from the history it comes from then it makes sense and the meaning is clear.

And to get away from the bible once more. If you think how long people have been on the earth and the gays are still a minority and society still thinks the gay lifestyle is not a good idea then I think society has figured out long ago what was best.

[sheila_361]

hmmmm I guess I'm not a true Christian, either since I don't go to church? I believe wherever you choose to pray to God makes one a Christian, I know he loves me no less than someone who goes to church regularly.

[dcut4]

And also...those that just believe in God or believe there is a God....doesnt make you a Christian. You have to follow Gods word. Read your bible and do your research. Homosexuality is plainly an abomination...it ranks up there with murder and that includes abortion! Plain and simple


That line right there is just plain sick. You are equating homosexuality with murder. If this is out of the bible I am so glad I don't believe in your god.

[Willow]

I have friend who is Pentecostal and she cuts her hair and wears pants. I think it might be mennonites that believe women shouldn't cut their hair or wear pants. One of the girls from the bible study had a sister that moved here from Pennsylvania and that is how she believed. She always wore a kerchief on her head too.

[janelle]

I go because God said to go. No other reason. It's in the Ten commandants and of course to worship Him and hear His words.

I know I could stay home but a community of believers makes one stronger like belonging to a club and how could I receive communion if I didn't go to church?

If we belong to a gym we go and work out but so many don't go to church to strengthen their spiritual muscles with others. We can do it on our own but do we?

[tngirl]

I have friend who is Pentecostal and she cuts her hair and wears pants. I think it might be mennonites that believe women shouldn't cut their hair or wear pants. One of the girls from the bible study had a sister that moved here from Pennsylvania and that is how she believed. She always wore a kerchief on her head too.
Pentecostal women aren't allowed to cut their hair and have to wear dresses or skirts with long sleeve blouses. There are some take offs that aren't as strict and do allow the women more freedoms.

[tngirl]

That line right there is just plain sick. You are equating homosexuality with murder. If this is out of the bible I am so glad I don't believe in your god.
If homosexuality is a sin then it is punishable by death, as are ALL sins. There is no one sin that is worse than any other and they ALL have the same punishment, death. On the basis of punishment, they are both right there together.

[Willow]

Pentecostal women aren't allowed to cut their hair and have to wear dresses or skirts with long sleeve blouses. There are some take offs that aren't as strict and do allow the women more freedoms.

My friend must belong to one of the take-offs then. LOL

[janelle]

That line right there is just plain sick. You are equating homosexuality with murder. If this is out of the bible I am so glad I don't believe in your god.

It's not. Actually, God words say all sin is equally bad in His eyes.

[tngirl]

hmmmm I guess I'm not a true Christian, either since I don't go to church? I believe wherever you choose to pray to God makes one a Christian, I know he loves me no less than someone who goes to church regularly.
We're ALL going to Hell!!!

[earnhardt1]

:evil: well i always knew i had horns for a reason.... lmao

[sheila_361]

guess I better be getting the hand baskets together..LMAO

[Bliss]

(Leviticus 20:13 NKJV) 'If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.


And also...those that just believe in God or believe there is a God....doesnt make you a Christian. You have to follow Gods word. Read your bible and do your research. Homosexuality is plainly an abomination...it ranks up there with murder and that includes abortion! Plain and simple


WTF? How much sense does that make? The comment and verse is so asinine I can't even come up with a logical reply.

Seriously, "putting someone to death" is clearly murder. Doesn't the bible say, Thou shal not kill? or does it now say, "Thou shall kill all those who do not agree with "Gods word." "God does not judge? It clearly shows "God" does judge.. Of course "God wrote the bible."

LOL

I thought Stephen Kings books were weird as hell...The bible has it beat.

[Bahet]

Well if God really founded each & every church out there, why are there so many different versions of that, then?
Each & every leader of each & every church claims it's God -inspired.
Is it really?




The way I believe is that every religion has some of it right and some of it wrong. That goes for every religion from Taoism to Muslims to Christians. I don't believe God picked only one group to get it right.

[Bahet]

We're ALL going to Hell!!!

I'm already down for bringing the margaritas. We'll need a lot of ice though.

[ahippiechic]

The way I believe is that every religion has some of it right and some of it wrong. That goes for every religion from Taoism to Muslims to Christians. I don't believe God picked only one group to get it right.

Same here.

[ahippiechic]

I'm already down for beinging the margaritas. We'll need a lot of ice though.


I already HAVE margaritas, lol!

[galeane29]

Amen



For those who think the bible has been messed up from all the translations. This is wrong. When they found the lost scrolls they matched the current version of the bible so I believe God has preserved the bible as it was written. Course, this is faith but it doesn't make sense that God would reveal his word to man and then let it get mucked all up.

The only mucking going on is private interpretations of the bible done by various people. We can understand the bible for the most part but need scholars to teach us other parts. When we understand it from the history it comes from then it makes sense and the meaning is clear.

And to get away from the bible once more. If you think how long people have been on the earth and the gays are still a minority and society still thinks the gay lifestyle is not a good idea then I think society has figured out long ago what was best.

[galeane29]

Oh and by the way...some of these comments on here you all post dont warrant a response so thats why I dont respond to each one that is directed towards me.

[Bliss]

Good cause my sides hurt from all the laughing.

[freeby4me]

Oh and by the way...some of these comments on here you all post dont warrant a response so thats why I dont respond to each one that is directed towards me.


Well yippity do da. If that was the case, you wouldnt even post that.

[tngirl]

My feelings are hurt:sob

[ahippiechic]

Good cause my sides hurt from all the laughing.

OMG, I said this to myself when I read that, it was a little freaky to scroll down and see it in print!

[galeane29]

Why cant this be an honest debate about the differerence of opinion.....all the smartass comments are unnecessary.

[Army-Mom]

I have friend who is Pentecostal and she cuts her hair and wears pants. I think it might be mennonites that believe women shouldn't cut their hair or wear pants. One of the girls from the bible study had a sister that moved here from Pennsylvania and that is how she believed. She always wore a kerchief on her head too.

I grew up Penacostal..and back in the old days when I was a very young person the church I went to didnt beleive in cutting hair and of wearing long pants..but now it isnt like that..some does wear pants now..and also cuts her hair..it is just the church..we do have a penacostal here where I live that they still dont cut hair or wear pants..but it is okay I think people just have to do what they feel comfortable doing..

[ahippiechic]

Why cant this be an honest debate about the differerence of opinion.....all the smartass comments are unnecessary.

You smartass comments are just as unnecessary.

[Bahet]

Side 1 : smartass comments. Side 2: gays are just as bad as serial killers. Hmmm... Let me think which one is more offensive... Boy, this is a toughie... I think I'm going to go with side 2.

Oopsie, was that a smartass comment? My bad.

[vicky122]

Why cant this be an honest debate about the differerence of opinion.....all the smartass comments are unnecessary.

Now that is something I agree with you.

[galeane29]

You smartass comments are just as unnecessary.

I have NOT made any smartass comments.... I have given my opinion...why is it every time I have come on this board to give my opinion I am basicaly told to shove my opinion? Why is it YOURS and the like the only ones allowed?

[galeane29]

Side 1 : smartass comments. Side 2: gays are just as bad as serial killers. Hmmm... Let me think which one is more offensive... Boy, this is a toughie... I think I'm going to go with side 2.

Oopsie, was that a smartass comment? My bad.

In Gods eyes they are the same so get off your high horse. I am intitled to my beliefs and opinion , I have not denied you yours.....yes it was smartass!

[earnhardt1]

guess there are those of us smartasses that have different opinions.....

can someone show me the line to get into hell cuz its prob. long so i figure ill start waiting now....

[Army-Mom]

You smartass comments are just as unnecessary.

I sure hope yall dont think mine are that..I would never hurt anyones feelings for nothing in the world..Just wanted to put a little input about the penacostal reglion

[ahippiechic]

I have NOT made any smartass comments.... I have given my opinion...why is it every time I have come on this board to give my opinion I am basicaly told to shove my opinion? Why is it YOURS and the like the only ones allowed?

Do you really think that your opinions aren't allowed??? I see them up there, don't you? Saying things like this make it hard to take any of your posts seriously.

And yes, some of the comments you made, people have taken as hateful, smartass etc.

[ahippiechic]

I sure hope yall dont think mine are that..I would never hurt anyones feelings for nothing in the world..Just wanted to put a little input about the penacostal reglion

I don't think yours are at all.

[tngirl]

I have NOT made any smartass comments.... I have given my opinion...why is it every time I have come on this board to give my opinion I am basicaly told to shove my opinion? Why is it YOURS and the like the only ones allowed?
Nobody even implied that you should shove your opinion. Some folks just happened to disagree with you. And now, that we don't agree with you we are being called smartass...by a Christian no less....ooooohhhhh, you said a naughty word!! that is basically telling us that we are NOT Christian and since we aren't Christian we are all going to Hell. Did I get that right? And so we just found it amusing, what is wrong with that? Christians don't have a sense of humor? Oh, wait, you are no more a Christian than I am because you got angry and said a dirty word...tsk tsk.

[Bahet]

In Gods eyes they are the same so get off your high horse. I am intitled to my beliefs and opinion , I have not denied you yours.....yes it was smartass!

In YOUR God's eyes perhaps. The God I know actually loves His children. He's not some hateful, egotistical, borderline abusive Father. He doesn't condemn all His children to hell if they happen to be born in the wrong society or fall in love with the wrong person. Like any good parent He cares about the actions, not the lip service.

[earnhardt1]

lmao omg i just spit pop all over my desk.......

[vicky122]

In YOUR God's eyes perhaps. The God I know actually loves His children. He's not some hateful, egotistical, borderline abusive Father. He doesn't condemn all His children to hell if they happen to be born in the wrong society or fall in love with the wrong person. Like any good parent He cares about the actions, not the lip service.

Wow you have a good point there. Because I know godforbid if something was to ever happen to my son God wouldbe there with open arms waiting for him. Because he is a gift from God.

[earnhardt1]

i think that if GOD truely loved all his children the way it is claimed he does then it would not matter if we sat in church once a year or 365 times a year...
so i beleive that i can beleive in god and not have to go to church.... i made all of my sacraments and went to catholic schoool for 5 years.......
i also beleive that no matter if your gay ,bisexual,or straight that god will still love you

and if your bisexual are you a double sinner????

[galeane29]

bahet---Side 1 : smartass comments. Side 2: gays are just as bad as serial killers. Hmmm... Let me think which one is more offensive... Boy, this is a toughie... I think I'm going to go with side 2.

Oopsie, was that a smartass comment? My bad


Bliss ---Good cause my sides hurt from all the laughing

freeby4me--Well yippity do da. If that was the case, you wouldnt even post that.


These are some of the SMARTASS comments that I say were unnecessary.

Oh and I can say ass.....God said to not use His name in vein.
I never said you were going to hell...I was quoting.
some of you just chose to argue...I have just chosen to state my beliefs

[tngirl]

I do believe somewhere in that Book it says something about cursing.

[ahippiechic]

A lot of it is in how they are stated.

[freeby4me]

bahet---Side 1 : smartass comments. Side 2: gays are just as bad as serial killers. Hmmm... Let me think which one is more offensive... Boy, this is a toughie... I think I'm going to go with side 2.

Oopsie, was that a smartass comment? My bad


Bliss ---Good cause my sides hurt from all the laughing

freeby4me--Well yippity do da. If that was the case, you wouldnt even post that.


These are some of the SMARTASS comments that I say were unnecessary.

Oh and I can say ass.....God said to not use His name in vein.
I never said you were going to hell...I was quoting.
some of you just chose to argue...I have just chosen to state my beliefs

I would rather argue a point of view than quote a few things from a story book and call it good. My way takes thought.

[galeane29]

go back and read my posts...nowhere was I making smartass comments. I was making points and quoting....
show me....

[galeane29]

I would rather argue a point of view than quote a few things from a story book and call it good. My way takes thought.

Storybook? ...hmm ok then

[freeby4me]

In Gods eyes they are the same so get off your high horse. I am intitled to my beliefs and opinion , I have not denied you yours.....yes it was smartass!

Heres 1 smart ass comment. There I did my job. Job done.

[galeane29]

I was not being smartass ....I was tired of here acting like she is holier than tho

[freeby4me]

Storybook? ...hmm ok then

For those who dont believe in a book written by the God Almighty, the logical thing would be for it to be a STORY BOOK. A book, consisting of stories.

[freeby4me]

I was not being smartass ....I was tired of here acting like she is holier than tho

No....that would be how you are acting. But I think you're too High up to notice it.

[galeane29]

For those who dont believe in a book written by the God Almighty, the logical thing would be for it to be a STORY BOOK. A book, consisting of stories.

Okay..that is your opinion and you are intitled to that....

[gmyers]

Man people get riled up over this subject.

[freeby4me]

Okay..that is your opinion and you are intitled to that....

Ayup last time I checked. That is until someone of a religious background decides that this too should be against some sort of biblical law.

[galeane29]

I think that was the point of the OP ....she started the thread and never looked back.
Some people start subjects like this on here I think to get crap started.

[earnhardt1]

i want to know how one knows for sure that none of god's deciples werent gay? i am not trying to be a bitch i just have always had many doubts in my religon....

[tngirl]

"Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place" (Ephesians 5:4)

I knew it said it!!

[galeane29]

"Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place" (Ephesians 5:4)

I knew it said it!!



An ASS is in the bible....its a donkey

and besides this was about the beliefs of gay marriage....I have stated my beliefs
I dont condone homosexuality....my opinion my beliefs are against it.
The thread was not about weather I'm allowed to say ass.....!!!!

[Njean31]

Man people get riled up over this subject.

i'd say. i can't believe some of what i've read in this thread.

[tngirl]

I think that was the point of the OP ....she started the thread and never looked back.
Some people start subjects like this on here I think to get crap started.

just thought i could change the subject and take the focus off poor catdance...<!-- / message -->

Well, yeah, she said so herself.

[tngirl]

An ASS is in the bible....its a donkey
But that is NOT the context in which you are using it...big difference.

[freeby4me]

i want to know how one knows for sure that none of god's deciples werent gay? i am not trying to be a bitch i just have always had many doubts in my religon....

Anything close to proof would be thrown out for sure.

Gay sex has been around since the dawn of time and right now just as it was wayyyy back when, the ones who scream and yell and stomp their big manly feet about how wrong it is are the one's getting their "groove thing on" when no one is looking.
Its never going to stop either.

[freeby4me]

An ASS is in the bible....its a donkey

and besides this was about the beliefs of gay marriage....I have stated my beliefs
I dont condone homosexuality....my opinion my beliefs are against it.
The thread was not about weather I'm allowed to say ass.....!!!!

No its not, but when you want to go around telling everyone what the Bible says you can and cannot do, its best for YOU YOURSELF to actually, gee I dunno, DO WHAT IT SAYS!

[galeane29]

You know what...your just an ugly person. I'm sure inside And OUT....
People like you is what keeps me other Christians from being able to
voice our beliefs without being railed apon. You all have drove several people from this board for the same thing you have done to me tonight. you cannot stay on subject you have to bash and belittle....

[gmyers]

Anybody else think we need another change of subject topic to talk about? Any suggestions?

[freeby4me]

You know what...your just an ugly person. I'm sure inside And OUT....
People like you is what keeps me other Christians from being able to
voice our beliefs without being railed apon. You all have drove several people from this board for the same thing you have done to me tonight. you cannot stay on subject you have to bash and belittle....

Oh my.....LOL thats too funny! Im an "ugly person" my my my...what a nice thing for a little Christian to say. Watch out, you might hurt my wittle feewings.

People like me do what exactly??? We stop you from going around voicing your opinions without being railed upon? What does that mean exactly? We stop you from telling gays they'll burn in hell and should be put to death because gay sex makes you uncomfortable??

I guess I am just a big meanie then huh LMAO

[earnhardt1]

i think it is bullshit that certain ppl get pissy when others voice different opinions than they like

[earnhardt1]

gay ppl have a right to love and be happy just as straight ppl do.....

[Njean31]

i think it is bullshit that certain ppl get pissy when others voice different opinions than they like

it looks like everyone is getting pissy in here.

[ahippiechic]

You know what...your just an ugly person. I'm sure inside And OUT....
People like you is what keeps me other Christians from being able to
voice our beliefs without being railed apon. You all have drove several people from this board for the same thing you have done to me tonight. you cannot stay on subject you have to bash and belittle....

No one here has kept you from voicing your opinion. You have been doing it in this entire thread. (And others) You get mad because people don't agree and start saying that you can't post your opinion. You did post it the same as the rest of us did. Most of your posts sound hateful anyway, no matter the thread they are in.

[gmyers]

I think this subject like others is a sensitive one.

[freeby4me]

it looks like everyone is getting pissy in here.

Better to be pissed off than pissed on right LOL....ok yea that was stupid :slap :whistle

[Njean31]

this dicussion on here seems to turn out this way everytime. i really do hate to see the outright blasphemy and mockery in some of the posts though.

[earnhardt1]

it gets to be a touchy subject..... ya know i dont think gay ppl should be any different than anyone else... they breath the same air we do adn bleed the same as i,so therefor i am no better than any gay person in the world..... they are equals its time ppl treat them the same

[Bahet]

But that is NOT the context in which you are using it...big difference.

Exactly. By that logic bitch is a perfectly acceptable word as well.

[freeby4me]

this dicussion on here seems to turn out this way everytime. i really do hate to see the outright blasphemy and mockery in some of the posts though.

Im sorry if I crossed that line for you, but I hate to be told Im going to burn in hell for not believing in something a book says.

[galeane29]

Did I say YOU would burn in hell???? NO I did not say you would burn in hell for not believing the Bible. Get it straight

[freeby4me]

Did I say YOU would burn in hell???? NO I did not say you would burn in hell for not believing the Bible. Get it straight

Get it straight.

1. If you dont do what God says, you'll burn in hell.

2. You've been on this site all night telling everyone how ACCORDING to the Bible.....blah blah blah burn in hell.....something something something, scripture here and there and more somethings about what will happen if you dont follow Gods' law.

So yea.....I think I did actually get it straight seeings how I dont follow the Bible or anything God says.

[cSoReNSoN]

You know what...your just an ugly person. I'm sure inside And OUT....
People like you is what keeps me other Christians from being able to
voice our beliefs without being railed apon. You all have drove several people from this board for the same thing you have done to me tonight. you cannot stay on subject you have to bash and belittle....

Cry me a river.............:lurker

[Bliss]

:mssmack This is entertainment at it's finest.. I swear this is better than soaps...Where's my darn popcorn...:lurker :drunk

[freeby4me]

:mssmack This is entertainment at it's finest.. I swear this is better than soaps...Where's my darn popcorn...:lurker :drunk

I ate it all....cause Im a big meanie LMAO

[ilovecats]

I ate it all....cause Im a big meanie LMAO

No,you are just ugly.lol

[earnhardt1]

man ugly meaniies who steal popcorn are the worst.......... j/k lol u know i had to
do we get to take popcorn to hell with us?

[freeby4me]

man ugly meaniies who steal popcorn are the worst.......... j/k lol u know i had to
do we get to take popcorn to hell with us?

LMAO....its definately hot enuff there to pop it eh?

Yea....im just ugly enuff to steal it all LOL

[Bliss]

LMAO Hey now, you know you gotta share...:cheers: I found a bigger box of popcorn to go around. :springer and lots a :beer:

[ilovecats]

:eating:

[IthinkNOT!]

:backaway ****note to self, find handbasket!*****

****note to self, find hip boots (cause the shits getting deep in here)****

:backaway

[freeby4me]

I luv the fishes cause they're so delicious.....gotta go fishin....gotta go fishin.

[tarasdream]

i really do hate to see the outright blasphemy and mockery in some of the posts though



i agree there is so much of it in this thread i can only imagine what gods thinking right now. god loves us all but i think some are making him hurt right now.