Where are the Plane parts????

[gobs101]

I recieved this in email today and was wondering if anyone else saw this?

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

[emi_amore]

what does this mean?

[Njean31]

it's just a conspiracy theory.....they are all over the web. here are some factual eyewitness reports, it would be impossible for the government to control this many people


http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/crashdebris.html
http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/witnesses.html

removed other links due to graphic nature

[emi_amore]

My bambinos served in Iraq and were in harms way, do not toy with ms emi.

[Rocket Cowgirl]

Does kinda make ya go hmmm. :confused:

[cstarlight]

My bambinos served in Iraq and were in harms way, do not toy with ms emi.

Huh... :confused:

[dv8grl]

My bambinos served in Iraq and were in harms way, do not toy with ms emi.

You are hilarious, once again.. out of your 6 posts so far, you have yet to let me down!

Awesome!


We'd better not toy with her and her bambinos while she drives in her suburban... I fear her and her lack of spelling skills!

:eek:

[nightrider127]

My bambinos served in Iraq and were in harms way, do not toy with ms emi.

And don't you toy around in a post started by Gobs either. You were lucky, and I am glad you were. Gobs wasn't so lucky. Why don't you look at her siggy line before you post this kind of stuff.

[cavemtmomma]

Thank you for you and your familys sacrifice. I want to set your mind at ease so I'll post this one last time:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

[Freebeemom]

http://users.adelphia.net/~earthwatch/

Ok....then here...

I guess it depends on the scientist....

[tngirl]

I remember this dicussion before with mesue in another thread. And Freebeemom, this is a link to a conspiracy theorist website. If you will consider the heigth of the WTC, the shiny "object" is the wing folding back on impact and the reflection of the sun on aluminum. I did not read the entire site again, but I remember how before it said it was a top secret video and the government did not want us to see it. My question then and NOW is, then why hasn't it been pulled off of the website and the website closed down? Like the government wouldn't know something of the sort is out there.

[moogle]

I don't think we will ever know all the truth about what happened on 9/11.
Personally, I don't beleive what the government tells us - they only tell us
what they want us to hear.

My opinion is 2 planes hit the twin towers, something happened at the pentagon, and another plane went down.

The government will never tell us truth.

[gobs101]

Thank you for all the replies. I just read through all the links provided and its really mind boggling for sure. I can at least say I know for a FACT that the plane did crash in Somerset Pa as I saw that one my self. And yes there were plane parts everywheres. The fuselodge was partically buried in the field, which was an old stip mine.
Now Flight 93 has a Memorial site and many other things there. I am going back out with my grandson this summer if any one would like pics JLMK.
Thanks again.


PS: Ms emi_amore whose bambinos served in Iraq and were in harms way, do not toy with ms emi.

Not sure where you are from but go home and hug your kids.

[LunaChick]

Looks like everyone will get their answers today. The government is releasing the video of the plane hitting the pentagon this afternoon.

[Jolie Rouge]

DOD to Release September 11 Pentagon Video
Judicial Watch to Obtain September 11 Pentagon Video at 1 p.m. Today
May 16, 2006

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that Department of Defense will release a videotape to Judicial Watch at 1:00 p.m. this afternoon that allegedly shows American Airlines Flight 77 striking the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. The Department of Defense is releasing the videotape in response to a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act request and related lawsuit.

“This is in response to your December 14, 2004 Freedom of Information Act Request, FOIA appeal of March 27, 2005, and complaint filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia,” wrote William Kammer, Chief of the Department of Defense, Office of Freedom of Information. “Now that the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui is over, we are able to complete your request and provide the video…”

Judicial Watch originally filed a Freedom of Information Act request on December 15, 2004, seeking all records pertaining to September 11, 2001 camera recordings of the Pentagon attack from the Sheraton National Hotel, the Nexcomm/Citgo gas station, Pentagon security cameras and the Virginia Department of Transportation. The Department of Defense admitted in a January 26, 2005 letter that it possessed a videotape responsive to Judicial Watch’s request. However, the Pentagon refused to release the videotape because it was, “part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui.” Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit on February 22, 2006 arguing that there was “no legal basis” for the Defense Department’s refusal to release the tape.


“We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks.”


A copy of the video will be made available on Judicial Watch’s Internet site, http://www.judicialwatch.org.


Judicial Watch is a non-partisan, educational foundation organized under Section 501©(3) of the Internal Revenue code. Judicial Watch is dedicated to fighting government and judicial corruption and promoting a return to ethics and morality in our nation's public life.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/5772.shtml


of course the Conspiracy Theorists won't care about facts …. they’ll just claim that Rove needed all this time in order to have Hollywood make the special effects for the movie.

[delSol]

okay, I've seen the video - what do you all think?

[tngirl]

Well, as soon as I can get the page to load I will let you know...lol

[DBackFan]

okay, I've seen the video - what do you all think?

I think it shows exactly what we were told, that American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

[tngirl]

I watched the videos straight off the pentagon website. I couldn't get the other link to work for me. Now I can't get the pentagon website to load....guess they are rather busy right now.

Even though on the video everything happened so fast, it sure looked like a plane coming in to me.

[YNKYH8R]

This notion is so old that it's border line annoying. Plane hits or not who cares? The
Bush administration got out of what it wanted.

[janelle]

And we never been to the moon. It was all video taped on a back lot somewhere. DUH. :rolleyes:

[Jolie Rouge]

First video of Pentagon 9/11 attack released
Watchdog group says video will end 'conspiracy theories'
Tuesday, May 16, 2006

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Video showing a plane crashing into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, was released publicly for the first time Tuesday, a judicial watchdog group said.

The Justice Department has handed over tapes showing American Airlines Flight 77 striking the building outside Washington to Judicial Watch, a public interest group that requested the video, the group said.

The video is available on the group's Web site, according to a news release from Judicial Watch.

At least two tapes were released, from different security cameras. The two cameras, from the same Pentagon checkpoint, show the building from different angles. (Watch what the cameras caught as the plane slams into the Pentagon -- 2:21)

Previously released still photographs from those cameras show the Pentagon on fire, but no images of the Boeing 757 striking the building have ever been made public.

The video released Tuesday was the source of those still photos.

In one clip, a police car passes in front of the security camera before a ball of flame and smoke erupts from the Pentagon in the background.

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

The Pentagon attack killed 184 people: Fifty-three passengers and six crew members on board American Airlines Flight 77, and 125 military and civilian personnel inside the building.

Some conspiracy theorists have maintained the aircraft was shot down in flight, and that the Pentagon was struck by a missile. (Watch fireballs engulf ruined parts of the Pentagon -- 0:55)

Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act request, but the government refused to release the video until after the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the convicted al Qaeda conspirator who was sentenced earlier this month to life in prison.

Sources said in 2002 that the FBI confiscated a hotel security camera video that showed the attack on the Pentagon. It's not known if that tape is being released.

Judicial Watch is "a conservative, non-partisan educational foundation, promotes transparency, accountability and integrity in government, politics and the law," according to its Web site.

The group filed a lawsuit this year, arguing that there was "no legal basis" for the government's refusal to release the tape.

The video requested by Judicial Watch was taken from security cameras at the Pentagon, the Sheraton National Hotel, the Nexcomm/Citgo gas station, and Virginia Department of Transportation traffic cameras.

Jill Farrell, Judicial Watch's director of media affairs, said she would not know which video will be released "until we see it."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

[delSol]

This notion is so old that it's border line annoying. Plane hits or not who cares? The
Bush administration got out of what it wanted.


It is just gonna be nice to get some of the idiots to shut up already that we did it ito ourselves/it was a missle...sadly, too many that walk among us still will carry the thought forever.

[wwf20112]

And we never been to the moon. It was all video taped on a back lot somewhere. DUH. :rolleyes:

lol.i watched a doucmentery about the moon landing and they tried to see if they could fake it and they couldnt with all the new technology but to get back on topic yeah when you slow the video down alot more it does look like a airplane.

[Chicklette]

Nice illusion!

[tngirl]

Nice illusion!

And of which illusion do you speak?

[jedmatters]

I can at least say I know for a FACT that the plane did crash in Somerset Pa as I saw that one my self.




My aunt works at the Pentagon and has for many years.
Trust me... a plane hit it.

[nightrider127]

I had a cousin in the Pentagon the day the plane hit. Plain and simple, it was a plane that flew into the building.

[Jolie Rouge]

Debunking tarted up horror tales
By Austin Bay
Wednesday, August 16, 2006

Trust that conspiracy theorists will attempt to exploit the fifth anniversary of 9/11 to spread sensational claims and sensational lies.

Moreover, it's a fair bet sensationalist media will collaborate, not because the squawk show host or headline scribbler believes the poisoned foolishness, but because anger, fear and trembling sell. Conspiracy theories are public ghost stories of a sort, campfire horror tales tarted up with government devils, corporate witches and other demons-of-convenience.

However, Popular Mechanics magazine and Hearst Communications have provided a handy antidote to the conspiracy theorists' more noxious rhetorical poisons.

"Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up To The Facts" expands to book-length a collection of articles Popular Mechanics published in March 2005. The book contains new appendices and updated analyses.

"Debunking" begins with an insightful and blunt foreword by Sen. John McCain, who observes, "Conspiracy mongering is no small phenomenon. . . . These theories come in nearly infinite variety, but all reach essentially the same conclusion: that the U.S. government, or some shadowy group that controls it, organized the attacks as part of a master plan for global domination. But the truth is more mundane. The philosopher Hannah Arendt described the banality of Nazi evil; the 9/11 hijackers were also ordinary, uninteresting men with twisted beliefs."

Counterterrorism expert Richard Clarke's blurb for the book describes it as "reliable and rational" and that the government "isn't competent enough to pull off such conspiracies and too leaky to keep them secret."

Book editors David Dunbar and Brad Reagan laud former Sen. Pat Moynihan's classic quip: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. He is not entitled to his own facts."

With Moynihan as a guide, the book follows a "Claim" and "Fact" format. Here are excerpts from the section entitled "Melted Steel":

"Claim: . . . 'We have been lied to,' announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. 'The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel.' The posting is entitled 'Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC.' . . .

"FACT: . . . Jet fuel burns at 1,100 to 1,200 degrees Celsius . . . significantly less than the 1,510 degrees Celsius typically required to melt steel. . . . However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength -- and that required exposure to much less heat . . . "

The "Fact" section includes analysis from structural engineers, a professor of metallurgy and explosives experts.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories have overt and covert promoters. Some are more nuisance than threat. Howard Dean verbally toyed with 9/11 conspiracy theories when he was playing primary election footsie with hard-left constituencies. Others seek nuclear weapons and finance terrorism. "Debunking" notes Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's rambling May 2006 letter to President George W. Bush included "broad hints" that the U.S. organized the attacks.

"Debunking's" afterword, written by Popular Mechanics editor in chief James Meigs, deserves special plaudits. Journalism and rhetoric professors should make use of it in undergraduate classes. The afterword's first sentence sets the stage: "On February 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/New World Order/Illuminati conspiracy for global domination." That's the day his magazine's "debunking" issue appeared in print.

Meigs, however, quickly moves from hate mail to a discussion of "conspiracism" techniques. ("Conspiracism" is a term coined by Chip Berlet of the liberal Political Research Associates think tank.)

Meigs analyzes eight 9/11 conspiracy-spinner techniques. I'll mention two:

(1) Attempts to "marginalize opposing views." Meigs says thousands of eyewitness 9/11 accounts and the analyses of numerous universities and professional organizations (including Underwriters Labs and the American Society of Civil Engineers) are dismissed as "the government version."

(2) Circular reasoning. Meigs writes that " . . . among 9/11 theorists, the presence of evidence supporting the mainstream view is also taken as proof of conspiracy." He concludes: "Like doctrinaire Marxists or certain religious extremists, conspiracists enjoy a world view that is immune to refutation."

Meigs' analyses of "demonization" and the "paranoid style" are particularly crisp and compelling.

I also wrote a book blurb, calling "Debunking" "a victory for common sense . . . ." The world deserves more victories just like it.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=debunking_tarted_up_horror_ta les&ns=AustinBay&dt=08/16/2006&page=full&comments=true

You really *must* hit the link and read thru the 'comments' .... :)