We are not a serious people

[janelle]

• July 7, 2005 |7:50 p.m. ET

We are not a serious people (Joe Scarborough)



How long must we sing this song?

America and its allies are attacked. We promise dramatic measures to repulse the enemy. And in the case of the Nazis or the Taliban, we do just that.

Then contentment sets in.

We stop listening to the warnings of the Churchills and instead focus on the speeches by rock stars and Hollywood actors.

When our world leaders get together, they focus on global warming and the cause of the moment, instead of fighting the war of our lifetime.

But while the rock stars preach, our enemies scheme.

While movie stars practice politics, suicide bombers plan how to kill the most innocent people with a single blast.

Our leaders may ignore anti-terrorism at G8 conferences these days, but that suddenly changes when the first reports of explosions come in. Then suddenly, that idiot Bush starts looking a bit better next to the likes of the Chiracs and Schroeders of the world. And Blair suddenly seems to have a more realistic grasp on global realities than, say, Bob Geldof.

I am sure many Americans would like to believe that this attack will awaken world leaders.

But I doubt it.

We live in a silly age.

The age of Hilton.

The age of Teddy.

The age of Chirac.

We are not a serious people.

Some concern themselves more with terrorists' rights than civilization's future. Reporters work overtime demeaning the very troops who protect our land. And rock stars replace grim Cassandras like Bush and Churchill as the prophets of pop culture.

The results are almost always disastrous.

Today in London they were deadly.

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[YNKYH8R]

I think the pop culture becomes strong in times like these because Bush is a broken record. (just a theory)

[schsa]

No one believes Bush any more. We let him fight his war knowing that he lied to us about why we were going to war. He has three more years and we are going to loose thousands of our men and women along the way. He will retire with a great pension and write books and go on lecture tours. Mothers everywhere will be burying their children, wives will bury their husbands, husbands will bury their wifes and children will grow up orphans. Do you honestly think that Bush cares????

[excuseme]

What is the purpose of posting all these Op-Editorial pieces from "Scarborough Country"? Are you trying to pass him off as a news reporter? It makes no sense and contains no facts. It's just fluff and spin. If you want to have a debate based on facts we could do that, but not on this trash.

[YNKYH8R]

Okay everyone calm down just a little bit. Janelle and some others are probably just feeling a little overwhelmed. Although I argee with you excuseme (that sounds so weird) I'm sure she'll come back here and explain it all to us. :)

[janelle]

I think this man has as much right to his opinion as anyone else.

And I take exception to "no one believes Bush anymore". Maybe you don't or the liberals don't but remember you are now in the minority and I hear more people support him than don't. It all depends on which poll you want to believe.

[YNKYH8R]

I think this man has as much right to his opinion as anyone else.

And I take exception to "no one believes Bush anymore". Maybe you don't or the liberals don't but remember you are now in the minority and I hear more people support him than don't. It all depends on which poll you want to believe.
True he is entitled. And if you wish to continue to believe everyhting Bush says than you may. We in the minority just don't understand the steadfastness of this support of Bush. I've asked for over a month now and no can seem to give me an answer.

[janelle]

I think it's because Bush does have a stradegy, you may not agree with it, and not just a read my web site. Kerry had no answer to what are we to do except he would appoint a commitee to study it. When people are being killed, three thousand of our citizens, you do not have time for a commitee to study it.

[YNKYH8R]

3,000 people? More people die of the flu each year. 10x that many citizens have died in Iraq so far. But wait a minute since we're not at war with the flu and we didn't technically kill any civilians then it's not our problem.

3,000 people is the population of 5 towns in Maine combined during the winter.

And yes Bush does have a strategy, what the hell it is we don't know. So I guess we're no better off. :confused:

[janelle]

You don't want to know and also in a war you do not tell the media everything. The media want us to think they know everything though but if our generals tell then many more of our young people would be killed.

UMM the flu did not kill those thousands of people. Our enemies did so why would you up the flu vacine and not the military troops to protect many more from being killed??????? I agree fight the flu but you also need to be protected from people coming over here to fly into buildings or set off bombs to kill our citizens. Heaven help us if you were our president. LOL

And we are not the only ones in Iraq. The terrorists want to start a civil war over there and they are killing lots of Iraqi citizens to start it. Our men and women in uniform are trying to stop it and putting their lives on the live everyday. At least have respect for them.

[YNKYH8R]

This is one of those situation were I like the sinner and not the sin.

Why do people parade around 9/11 so? It is really getting to be very annoying. I mean in 50 years the attacks of 9/11 will be an amusment park ride. (Why not the Titanic is one already) I have no emotional connection to 9/11. So throughing around the "3,000"people who died does not make me any more bitter about the terrorist situation.
Long after we are gone from Iraq there will still be terrorisim. No strategy in Iraq is going to stop terrorisim.

[Willow]

As I have said before, Bush now has the lowest approval rate that he has ever had. So I think it's safe to say that a lot of the people that voted for him are wishing they hadn't.

[janelle]

It all depends on what poll you want to believe.

I have never heard of a Pearl Harbor ride. No lets try to blow up a ship ride. How sick. No, I don't think there will ever be a 9/11 ride.

[excuseme]

"I think this man has as much right to his opinion as anyone else. "

Sure he does, but that doesn't give it any merit or make it at all factual. Why don't you just start posting your favorite LiveJournal or blog entries? A lot of us like to base our reality on facts, not what just sounds nice and rosey to us. A lof of times the truth is not pretty and I think that scares you.

Since you seem to hold fast to the belief that G W Bush's popularity is soaring, why don't you post something to support that belief? Preferably not something from Ann Coutler's daily blog either.

[stresseater]

Sure he does, but that doesn't give it any merit or make it at all factual. Why don't you just start posting your favorite LiveJournal or blog entries? A lot of us like to base our reality on facts, not what just sounds nice and rosey to us. A lof of times the truth is not pretty and I think that scares you. Don't knock the bloggers they were able to figure out the lies perpetrated by Rather, Kerry and others in the "mainstream" It seems ok to post from liberal conspiracy sites ( and yes some of the sites sourced are definatly conspiracy sites) but not if a site or author has a conservative slant. Hmmm me thinks me sees a double standard. ;) :D

[tngirl]

Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll
Thursday, July 28, 2005

FOX News, together with Opinion Dynamics Corporation, conducts telephone polls on a regular basis to capture public opinion about current issues. The poll usually contains a question concerning the president's approval rating, highlighted below. "LV" denotes a total sample of 1000 likely voters nationwide. All other results are of 900 registered voters.

Question: "Do you approve or disapprove of the job George W. Bush is doing as president?"


Approve Disapprove Don't Know
26-27 Jul 05 47% 44 9
12-13 Jul 05 47% 47 6
14-15 Jun 05 48% 43 9
25-26 Apr 05 47% 43 10
29-30 Mar 05 49% 46 5
1-2 Mar 05 52% 39 9
8-9 Feb 05 51% 43 7
25-26 Jan 05 50% 40 10
11-12 Jan 05 52% 41 7
14-15 Dec 04 48% 45 7
16-17 Nov 04 53% 40 7
30-31 Oct 04 47% 46 7
30-31 Oct 04 LV 48% 46 6
29-30 Oct 04 47% 45 8
29-30 Oct 04 LV 48% 46 6
28-29 Oct 04 47% 47 6
28-29 Oct 04 LV 48% 47 5
27-28 Oct 04 49% 46 5
27-28 Oct 04 LV 49% 46 5
17-18 Oct 04 LV 49% 44 7
3-4 Oct 04 LV 53% 43 4
21-22 Sep 04 LV 50% 45 5
7-8 Sep 04 LV 49% 44 7
24-25 Aug 04 LV 51% 43 6
3-4 Aug 04 44% 48 8
20-21 July 04 47% 45 8
22-23 June 04 49% 44 7
8-9 June 04 48% 45 7
18-19 May 04 48% 43 9
4-5 May 04 49% 43 8
21-22 Apr 04 50% 44 6
6-7 Apr 04 49% 44 7
23-24 Mar 04 47% 44 9
3-4 Mar 04 48% 44 8
18-19 Feb 04 48% 41 11
4-5 Feb 04 53% 41 6
21-22 Jan 04 53% 39 8
7-8 Jan 04 58% 31 11
3-4 Dec 03 52% 34 14
18-19 Nov 03 52% 41 7
28-29 Oct 03 53% 37 10
14-15 Oct 03 52% 37 11
23-24 Sep 03 50% 40 10
9-10 Sep 03 58% 33 9
12-13 Aug 03 57% 34 9
29-30 Jul 03 59% 31 10
15-16 Jul 03 59% 32 9
30 Jun-1 Jul 03 60% 27 13
17-18 Jun 03 65% 25 10
3-4 Jun 03 66% 26 8
20-21 May 03 64% 26 10
6-7 May 03 65% 24 11
22-23 Apr 03 65% 25 10
8-9 Apr 03 71% 20 9
25-26 Mar 03 66% 24 10
11-12 Mar 03 60% 32 8
25-26 Feb 03 55% 33 12
11-12 Feb 03 57% 32 11
29-30 Jan 03 59% 28 13
14-15 Jan 03 63% 28 9
17-18 Dec 02 65% 26 9
3-4 Dec 02 65% 24 11
19-20 Nov 02 68% 20 12
22-23 Oct 02 LV 60% 30 10
8-9 Oct 02 LV 66% 21 13
24-25 Sep 02 65% 25 10
8-9 Sep 02 66% 22 12
6-7 Aug 02 69% 20 11
23-24 Jul 02 69% 18 13
9-10 Jul 02 70% 19 11
18-19 Jun 02 73% 14 13
4-5 Jun 02 74% 15 11
14-15 May 02 77% 15 8
30 Apr-1 May 02 72% 18 10
16-17 Apr 02 76% 15 9
2-3 Apr 02 79% 13 8
12-13 Mar 02 80% 12 8
26-27 Feb 02 77% 13 10
12-13 Feb 02 81% 11 8
30-31 Jan 02 81% 12 7
9-10 Jan 02 83% 10 7
12-13 Dec 01 86% 8 6
28-29 Nov 01 86% 6 8
14-15 Nov 01 88% 7 5
31 Oct-1 Nov 01 84% 8 8
17-18 Oct 01 84% 10 6
3-4 Oct 01 80% 10 10
19-20 Sep 01 81% 12 7
22-23 Aug 01 55% 32 13
25-26 Jul 01 59% 25 16
11-12 Jul 01 56% 30 14
6-7 Jun 01 59% 28 13
9-10 May 01 59% 26 15
18-19 Apr 01 63% 22 15
28-29 Mar 01 57% 24 19
14-15 Mar 01 56% 23 21
21-22 Feb 01 61% 16 23
7-8 Feb 01 55% 16 29


Yes, Bush's approval ratting has drop a bit, but you will notice that the further from 9/11 (sorry for the offensive 9/11 cliche there) the farther the rating fell. But overall, the approval rating is basically holding. As you can see by this poll....more Americans approve of the President than don't.

FACT!

[tngirl]

President Bush's Approval Rating
Thursday, July 28, 2005

FOX News, together with Opinion Dynamics Corporation, conducts telephone polls on a regular basis to capture public opinion about current issues. The poll usually contains a question concerning the president's approval rating, highlighted below. "LV" denotes a total sample of 1000 likely voters nationwide. All other results are of 900 registered voters.

Question: "Do you approve or disapprove of the job George W. Bush is doing as president?"


All Men Women Dem Rep Ind
• Most Recent (26-27 Jul 05)
Approve 47% 49% 45% 17% 81% 44%
Disapprove 44 43 45 75 11 43
• Highest (14-15 Nov 01)
Approve 88% 90% 87% 77% 98% 90%
Disapprove 7 8 6 15 1 5
• Lowest (3-4 Aug 04)
Approve 44% 47% 41% 14% 83% 39%
Disapprove 48 47 49 79 11 52
• Poll Continued



Approve Disapprove
Overall Average to Date 60% 30
• 2005 Average 49% 43
First-Term Average 61% 29
• 2004 Average 49% 43
• 2003 Average 59% 30
• 2002 Average 72% 18
• 2001 Average 69% 18


MORE FACTS!!

[tngirl]

JUST TO BE FAIR.....I WILL ALSO POST THE POLL RESULTS OFF OF CNN.COM. OF COURSE THIS POLL WAS BY TELEPHONE SO IS NOT JUST RESTRICTED TO VOTERS, BUT ALL AMERICANS. BUT EVEN SO, THE NUMBERS ARE ONLY OFF BY WHAT? 3%? NOT TOO SHABBY FOR SOMEONE THAT IS SOOOO HATED BY ALL.

FACTS!

Bush's approval rating hits all-time low

Friday, July 29, 2005; Posted: 8:23 p.m. EDT (00:23 GMT)



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush's approval rating has dipped to the lowest of his presidency at 44 percent, a full 5 percentage points lower than a week ago, according to a Gallup poll released Friday.

Bush's approval rating had been at 49 percent in two previous polls this month, an improvement over where he stood in June.

Gallup said the sharp decline in the latest poll could represent "a fading of a short-term boost to Bush's public standing" as seen in the two polls earlier this month.

Bush's previous low approval rating stood at 45 percent, a level he reached in March and again in June of this year. (Full story)

The Gallup poll was conducted via telephone with 1,010 adults from July 25-28.

It found that 51 percent of those polled disapproved of the job Bush is doing as president; a mere 44 percent said they approved.

Fifty percent of the respondents said they had an unfavorable opinion of the president, while 48 percent said they had a favorable opinion.

The majority of those polled, 58 percent, also said they were dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States, compared to just 40 percent who said they were satisfied.

[Jaidness]

yep a new low thats not too shabby!!

[tngirl]

The things that are wrong in our government are not just the fault of the current President. A lot of these issues were caused by former administrations and are not so easily changed. I am not placing blame on any particular presidency so don't assume I am knocking any one in particular. They have all done things that I do not agree with. The problems are created by both Republican AND Democrats.

I see things that Dems are on the soap box over that they supported from the beginning. Then when the issue comes up because of disapproval, they blame the Republicans.

[YankeeMary]

The things that are wrong in our government are not just the fault of the current President. A lot of these issues were caused by former administrations and are not so easily changed. I am not placing blame on any particular presidency so don't assume I am knocking any one in particular. They have all done things that I do not agree with. The problems are created by both Republican AND Democrats.

I see things that Dems are on the soap box over that they supported from the beginning. Then when the issue comes up because of disapproval, they blame the Republicans.
Could possibly be true about placing blame...but after 5 years you would think some things (I realize not all) would be changed not made worse.

[YNKYH8R]

UMM the flu did not kill those thousands of people. Our enemies did so why would you up the flu vacine and not the military troops to protect many more from being killed??????? I agree fight the flu but you also need to be protected from people coming over here to fly into buildings or set off bombs to kill our citizens. Heaven help us if you were our president. LOL

I know the flu did not kill all of those people my point is that 3,000 is a relatively small number. More people die over things we can control. How is the militry going to protect us from a terrorist attack? They didn't help out in London and I didn't see the military raising a finger to prevent those planes from hitting those buildings. So the military is not the answer to everything.

[YNKYH8R]

It all depends on what poll you want to believe.

I have never heard of a Pearl Harbor ride. No lets try to blow up a ship ride. How sick. No, I don't think there will ever be a 9/11 ride.
I've never heard of a Pearl Harbor ride either. I said the Titanic. And no it wouldn't shock me if there is a 9/11 ride...50 years from now.