my dog

[irrelevant0]

is not going to be my dog. (get away if you're going to gripe, i just want to complain about not being able to get my dog.) a woman i work with knew a lady who's chihuahua had puppies. they are full blooded, but she didn't want to mess with paperwork or anything and just wanted to get rid of them. so she was gving them away. i was set to get a white female teacup chihuahua. now she wants $200! yeah, okay. let me reach into my bulging coin purse and count that out to you in pennies. i have thought about it and i know she has a right to change her mind, whatever, but i am still disapointed because i can't afford it. they are only 2 weeks old at the moment, so by the time i adopted the dog i would be okay to buy dog food and supplies, but there is no way i can afford $200 all at once like that. i am struggling to get back on my feet. (without and assitance from the government whatsoever! i'm proud of that since i see so many people asking for help instead of busting their ass like i am.) i could save it up, but i don't expect her to save a dog for me that long (it would take a few months at least). i was going to name my mutt Muffin, paint her nails and buy a spiked collar for my tiny wimpy dog. :( oh well, **** happens.

on a different note, my brain is going to hell! i keep messing up my typing, my spelling, my grammar, my speech, my writing, counting money at work. no idea what it could be either. i'm just glad i've caught mistakes, and they've only been with coins anyway.

[LitWtch]

Why not ask her if she would take payments? The amount is not that much if you start payments now at $20 a pay check, you could easily pay the entire amount by the time the pups are ready to be released.

[turbob]

Payments are a good idea, and i had to giggle at the thought of your dog with painted toenails and a spiked collar! However, I hope this statement -
" without and assitance from the government whatsoever! i'm proud of that since i see so many people asking for help instead of busting their ass like i am.) " isn't directed at anyone here - I know a lot of people who bust their ass everyday and still need help. Good luck with getting Muffin. i know you would be a good mom to her!

[Willow]

Payments are a good idea, and i had to giggle at the thought of your dog with painted toenails and a spiked collar! However, I hope this statement -
" without and assitance from the government whatsoever! i'm proud of that since i see so many people asking for help instead of busting their ass like i am.) " isn't directed at anyone here - I know a lot of people who bust their ass everyday and still need help. Good luck with getting Muffin. i know you would be a good mom to her!


Things are always easier when you live at home with your parents. Things change though once you're out in the real world. :D I wish the op would stop spewing her hatred towards people that get assistance. She might need it herself some day.

[lassss]

please think of the expense of keeping a dog before you decide to get one..if you can't afford the $200 for the dog, how are you going to pay the vet bill? The dog needs to be dewormed, needs shots...let alone the food, toys, tags, collar etc

[bribella]

Things are always easier when you live at home with your parents. Things change though once you're out in the real world. :D I wish the op would stop spewing her hatred towards people that get assistance. She might need it herself some day.
Amen to that

[llbriteyes]

Don't forget spaying or neutering.

Linda


please think of the expense of keeping a dog before you decide to get one..if you can't afford the $200 for the dog, how are you going to pay the vet bill? The dog needs to be dewormed, needs shots...let alone the food, toys, tags, collar etc

[Kelsey1224]

I'm sorry you are disappointed because I know that you had your heart set on getting one of those puppies. As others have mentioned...dogs can be expensive over and above just the expense of food.

However...that being said...have you considered going to a pet adoption agency in your area? While you may not find a purebred...you might find another little dog who needs you to love him/her and who will be a devoted companion to you.

In my area both Petco and Petsmart have adoptions each Saturday.

There is a fee for adopting the pets...but they have already received their shots and you are also paying for the spaying/neutering which is required.

These are additional costs that you would incur anyway as a responsible pet owner.

[schsa]

If you can't afford to pay $200 for the dog then you are going to have problems paying for all of the other expenses. Dogs need Heartworm pills, flea and tick prevention. Then you have the vet visits. Generally speaking I don't get out for under $125 for a yearly visit. And puppies get into everything. Bonnie got stung by a bee (she tried to eat it) and then she got bit by a snake. And finally she ate part of a wash cloth and ended up spending the night at the vet while they waited for it to pass.

It's not a cheap way to live. Small dogs might not cost quite as much but puppy shots and deworming and everything that goes along with the first visit will come to about $200 by the time you get done.

[Hollie1974]

Hiya,
Sorry about this situation. I can understand why you are dissapointed. If payments aren't an option for you (or you really don't want to make payment to someone that can't keep their word) then I would suggest looking at http://www.petfinder.org
Good luck to you!
Hollie

[LuvBigRip]

Things are always easier when you live at home with your parents. Things change though once you're out in the real world. :D I wish the op would stop spewing her hatred towards people that get assistance. She might need it herself some day.
Very well said! Amazing how one who still lives with Mom and Dad can be so very sure of their "independence and self sufficiency" Try raising three kids, working and going to school with no child support. Busting my butt and yes, not quite meeting the expectations of the OP of trying hard enough when assistance is needed. :rolleyes:

A pet is not a short term expense, nor is it limited to food only. Medical care, shots, spaying or neutering, food, licensing and so on is needed. Chihuahua's are prone to seizures, especially the tea-cup, and require additional medications and long term care.

[navywife]

I am not sure how "i am struggling to get back on my feet. (without and assitance from the government whatsoever! i'm proud of that since i see so many people asking for help instead of busting their ass like i am.)" relates to being able to own a pet. In almost every vent I have read by you, you attack and try to embarass one group of people or another. I would like to see you say that comment to a group of women who have been beaten and left their spouses out of fear for their lives and their childrens lives and are being assisted by the government so they can start over in a safe enviornment.

I can easily understand disappointment over not getting the pet of your choice, but I do not see the need for degrading and belittling others at the same time...I personally find it offensive and ignorant on your part.

[MsLynn]

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WOULD TELL PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA GRIPE TO GO AWAY THEN SAY THE THINGS YOU DID

and i no longer wonder why half you post have you complaining about people who you thought were your friends, if you talk to them like that, they probably just decided they don't wanna be your friend :eek:

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Originally Posted by Patchouli
Things are always easier when you live at home with your parents. Things change though once you're out in the real world. I wish the op would stop spewing her hatred towards people that get assistance. She might need it herself some day.




Very well said! Amazing how one who still lives with Mom and Dad can be so very sure of their "independence and self sufficiency" Try raising three kids, working and going to school with no child support. Busting my butt and yes, not quite meeting the expectations of the OP of trying hard enough when assistance is needed. :rolleyes:


AMEN....

LETS ALSO MENTION, that single females who aren't pregnant aren't elgible for aid of anykind anway ( at least not in my state) especially if they are living with their parents.

I'm a single mother with 3 boys who gets MEDICAL ASSISTANCE ONLY from the state, and HOW DARE YOU TELL ME I DON'T BUST MY BUTT. I work myself to death to take care of my kids. I don't have medical coverage for myself and it would cost over $300 a month to pay for insurance from my job, so now should they be able to eat EVERYDAY AND LIVE INDOORS, or be able to go to the dr. i'm sorry i swallowed my pride and asked of medical assistance. when their dad left.

[buttrfli]

is not going to be my dog. (get away if you're going to gripe, i just want to complain about not being able to get my dog.) a woman i work with knew a lady who's chihuahua had puppies. they are full blooded, but she didn't want to mess with paperwork or anything and just wanted to get rid of them. so she was gving them away. i was set to get a white female teacup chihuahua. now she wants $200! yeah, okay. let me reach into my bulging coin purse and count that out to you in pennies. i have thought about it and i know she has a right to change her mind, whatever, but i am still disapointed because i can't afford it. they are only 2 weeks old at the moment, so by the time i adopted the dog i would be okay to buy dog food and supplies, but there is no way i can afford $200 all at once like that. i am struggling to get back on my feet. (without and assitance from the government whatsoever! i'm proud of that since i see so many people asking for help instead of busting their ass like i am.) i could save it up, but i don't expect her to save a dog for me that long (it would take a few months at least). i was going to name my mutt Muffin, paint her nails and buy a spiked collar for my tiny wimpy dog. :( oh well, **** happens.

I agree with everyone else. If you can't afford $200 to buy the dog, you can't afford to care for it.

I find it interesting that you had to point out that you don't get any assistance from the government.... kind of like you think you are better than those that are on assistance. Not that it matters much to you anyhow, and its TOTALLY irrelevant to the topic.. I'd much rather have people in my life that don't judge others and are on assistance than someone who who is not on assistance and thinks that everyone on it are low life's.




on a different note, my brain is going to hell!

nuff said! :rolleyes:

[Willow]

This is all coming from a 20 year old who's major problems in life have been her sister using all the hot water and a missing can of spinach.

[ahippiechic]

This is all coming from a 20 year old who's major problems in life have been her sister using all the hot water and a missing can of spinach.


So true! Almost all of the posts I've read by you are some kind of whine about petty stuff or an atempt to put groups of others down, for one reason or another. Especially those on any kind of assistance.

A pet is not just something you save up for. You need some kind of income to be able to afford to care for it. Food and vet care are both an ongoing expense, for as long as you have the pet. If you have concerns about being able to afford the care it needs, DON'T get one.

[llbriteyes]

Could you people POSSIBLY be a little meaner to this girl? Geeez. Who hasn't been her age before? If she need time at home getting her life together without public assistance, good for her! I might be biased, I have two adult children still at home. One in college getting her life together and one adult male working to pay off his bills while he's at home.

There are a lot of things young people learn from age and experience. What she's learning here, is that she can't vent without people jumping all over her.

Linda


This is all coming from a 20 year old who's major problems in life have been her sister using all the hot water and a missing can of spinach.

[Willow]

Could you people POSSIBLY be a little meaner to this girl? Geeez. Who hasn't been her age before? If she need time at home getting her life together without public assistance, good for her! I might be biased, I have two adult children still at home. One in college getting her life together and one adult male working to pay off his bills while he's at home.

There are a lot of things young people learn from age and experience. What she's learning here, is that she can't vent without people jumping all over her.

Linda


I am not criticizing her for being at home still. I just don't like how hateful she is towards people who don't have it as well off as she does.

[navywife]

Could you people POSSIBLY be a little meaner to this girl? Geeez. Who hasn't been her age before? If she need time at home getting her life together without public assistance, good for her! I might be biased, I have two adult children still at home. One in college getting her life together and one adult male working to pay off his bills while he's at home.

There are a lot of things young people learn from age and experience. What she's learning here, is that she can't vent without people jumping all over her.

Linda

How in the world is "i'm proud of that since i see so many people asking for help instead of busting their ass like i am" a VENT? It is a mean, spiteful, HATEFUL remark against people who are struggling and need a little help and wasnt in anyway related to a dog she cant get.

[Jaidness]

perhaps she was reffering to the people that she works with, as she did stipulate it wasn't directed at anyone here?
at any rate I'm sorry it didn't work out, I know it sux to have your heart set on something and have it fall thru...

[llbriteyes]

I choose to believe that it wasn't meant to come out that way. Remember, she's young. She doesn't know what we know. Her time will come, and then maybe she'll understand.

Linda



How in the world is "i'm proud of that since i see so many people asking for help instead of busting their ass like i am" a VENT? It is a mean, spiteful, HATEFUL remark against people who are struggling and need a little help and wasnt in anyway related to a dog she cant get.

[MsLynn]

I choose to believe that it wasn't meant to come out that way. Remember, she's young. She doesn't know what we know. Her time will come, and then maybe she'll understand.

Linda


thats my whole point, she is young and doesn't understand what its like so until she does she should refrain from any judgement on something she knows nothing about

[llbriteyes]

Could anyone tell you what to do or believe at that age? I'm just saying, I remember being that age. I was married with three kids by then, but in my later teen years I was invincible. I was immortal. Only my opinions mattered. I KNEW what I was talking about and nobody could tell me any different.

I'm just saying... cut the girl some slack.

Linda



thats my whole point, she is young and doesn't understand what its like so until she does she should refrain from any judgement on something she knows nothing about

[MsLynn]

Could anyone tell you what to do or believe at that age? I'm just saying, I remember being that age. I was married with three kids by then, but in my later teen years I was invincible. I was immortal. Only my opinions mattered. I KNEW what I was talking about and nobody could tell me any different.

I'm just saying... cut the girl some slack.

Linda

but did you say flat out mean, hateful, judgemental things like that?

I can guarantee you AT ANY AGE i never would have said the things like she did, and if i ever hear my kids saying anything like they, AT ANY AGE, they will regret it

[llbriteyes]

No. I always meant exactly what I said, and I never said what I didn't mean.

Linda



but did you say flat out mean, hateful, judgemental things like that?

I can guarantee you AT ANY AGE i never would have said the things like she did, and if i ever hear my kids saying anything like they, AT ANY AGE, they will regret it

[buttrfli]

Could you people POSSIBLY be a little meaner to this girl?

Oh I am sure we could :D

I don't think anyone is being mean (ok I was lol) but for a 20 year old living off her parents who thinks that people on assistance are bums (etc etc) she needs to be told by SOMEONE (because obviously her parents have never told her) that it is not always the case.

When I was 20 I knew better than to go around calling people names and acting like I was better than others just because they are struggling. I learned in 1st grade that calling names is not appropriate behavior... shes 20.. bout time she learned.

[llbriteyes]

Ya got me there! :D

That's kinda how I felt about telling Amanda what I did in the letter. If I, as her mother, didn't, nobody else would.

Linda



Oh I am sure we could :D

I don't think anyone is being mean (ok I was lol) but for a 20 year old living off her parents who thinks that people on assistance are bums (etc etc) she needs to be told by SOMEONE (because obviously her parents have never told her) that it is not always the case.

When I was 20 I knew better than to go around calling people names and acting like I was better than others just because they are struggling. I learned in 1st grade that calling names is not appropriate behavior... shes 20.. bout time she learned.

[VALENA-)45]

ITA, with everybody. I never thought at the age of 20... that at the age of 48.... I would have arms that I can barely use. I didn't think at the age of 20.... that at the age of 48... I would need other people to do normal every day things for me, that I now can not do for myself. I am one of those people that get assistance from the state and other agencies to help me, for food stamps, medical assistance, and any other help that I may need. You see before i got knocked on my behind, and can't now work, I was one of the people that had a job, and i paid my rent and my bills, and for my food every month. Just picture yourself with arms, hands, neck, shoulders, and back that hurt constantly 24/7. When i first read this post, I said to myself the OP, has bitten off more then she can chew, and has each of the respondence bitting her in the behind for the words that come flying out of her fingers when she types. Before you talk about other people, you need to walk a few miles in their shoes. I would gladly trade all of this pain, for a job any day. That way I wouldn't need to depend on anybody to help me.

[LuvBigRip]

Problem is, we cut too many insensitive people slack. We have become too politically correct to call out total rudeness when we see it. How will anyone learn if they aren't told how insensitive their remarks truly are? When you publically state an opinion, whether misguided or correct, you must be prepared for the general public in with which you make the statement to, to respond with the same amount of directness, whether misguided or correct. When one makes a generalization about any segment of the population, it is a prejudice that cannot be tolerated. Yes, a certain portion of any group of people are the worst of that particular group, however.....

All blondes are not dumb
All men are not pigs
All people on assistance are not lazy

Given that the OP has been a member of this board for a long time, and knows that there are people here who are now, or were at one time on assistance, a certain amount of decorum where generalizaton is concerned should have been a given. I know that I myself am disgusted by specific acts of fraud and waste, but can speak only to those.

[adorkablex]

I'm not going to comment on anything but the dog :D


My parents are getting me a teacup chihuahua for my birthday (In June). I can hardly wait but it takes a little time finding 'the one'. I've already come up with names for her. Stinks that you can't get the dog any longer. I know how it feels to have your heart set on something just to have it ripped from under you. But like alot of the others have said, a dog is a long term expense and better to be gotten once money matters are completly stable.

[tracyb]

hope you find your dog someday and maybe you will mellow out a little...like she psoted in another post... she can type things out that she cant say to the person....I was just going to say that she is braver on here than face to face....I pray that you get a new attitude about life....I dont get assistance but let me tell you this if I needed it....you bet you bottom I would get it....pride will be your down fall one of these days and then you will be here expecting your friends on here to listen to you...being mean will never get you anywhere...I dont care if it is not to there face...but really it is to their face to people on here that are in that situation that you keep complaining about....God is our only judge so let it be at that....you know that people are going to comment and tell you what they think so deal with that...no need to get harsh with THEIR opinion about Your opinions...get God in your life and you will see a change in your attitude because HE IS LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...I read your post about selling all your stuff and this and that...sorry that you are having it hard...maybe your backbone is stronger than some women...dont degrade them for that.....I live here in Ky too and people already think that hillbillies are hicks and with your attitude,it is just feeding that..I am just a transplanted hillbilly though,lol.....
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU TO GET A TOTALLY NEW ATTITUDE WITH LIFE AND PEOPLE.
SURE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR PICTURE ON THE FORUM TO SEE WHO WE ARE TALKING TO......LOL...CHEER UP GIRL...ENJOY LIFE DONT DWELL ON THE NEGATIVE IN PEOPLE...WE ALL CAN JUDGE OTHERS BUT WONT ACCEPT THE THINGS THAT OTHERS JUDGE US ABOUT...(C:

[dlwt]

This is just my opinion but seems like todays kids are more codled & babied then we ever were back when us older folks were kids.

Boy isnt that the truth, when I was a kid not everyone in the class got a ribbon if you did a contest or race, now EVERYONE gets a ribbon no matter how you did because we dont want to hurt anyones feelings. These same kids are usually so rude and obnoxious they dont deserve the kid glove treatment they are getting. Many kids today have new cars, new phones new clothes and NOBODY says no to them. I am getting off track here and I am sorry but its one thing that really gets me going. The non-appreciation of many of today's young people.

[lassss]

Problem is, we cut too many insensitive people slack. We have become too politically correct to call out total rudeness when we see it. How will anyone learn if they aren't told how insensitive their remarks truly are? When you publically state an opinion, whether misguided or correct, you must be prepared for the general public in with which you make the statement to, to respond with the same amount of directness, whether misguided or correct. When one makes a generalization about any segment of the population, it is a prejudice that cannot be tolerated. Yes, a certain portion of any group of people are the worst of that particular group, however.....

All blondes are not dumb
All men are not pigs
All people on assistance are not lazy

Given that the OP has been a member of this board for a long time, and knows that there are people here who are now, or were at one time on assistance, a certain amount of decorum where generalizaton is concerned should have been a given. I know that I myself am disgusted by specific acts of fraud and waste, but can speak only to those.

Very well said..ITA

[Kelsey1224]

Problem is, we cut too many insensitive people slack. We have become too politically correct to call out total rudeness when we see it. How will anyone learn if they aren't told how insensitive their remarks truly are? When you publically state an opinion, whether misguided or correct, you must be prepared for the general public in with which you make the statement to, to respond with the same amount of directness, whether misguided or correct. When one makes a generalization about any segment of the population, it is a prejudice that cannot be tolerated. Yes, a certain portion of any group of people are the worst of that particular group, however.....

All blondes are not dumb
All men are not pigs
All people on assistance are not lazy

Given that the OP has been a member of this board for a long time, and knows that there are people here who are now, or were at one time on assistance, a certain amount of decorum where generalizaton is concerned should have been a given. I know that I myself am disgusted by specific acts of fraud and waste, but can speak only to those.

ITA...extremely well said!!!

[adorkablex]

This is just my opinion but seems like todays kids are more codled & babied then we ever were back when us older folks were kids. For this reason I think Some kids & young adults think they are owed things & feel like they dont have to work or dont want to.
Our parents told us that if we wanted things besides clothes & food then we had to get a job & earn the money for it & that instilled Values which alot of todays kids are missing. Just about every kid I see has a cell phone. I have seen 10 yr olds w/cell phone. That is not a neccesity. If you need to know where your kid is by calling him on a cell phone then maybe you should be watching your kid & not letting them go around by themselves. There's always a pay phone too. They worked pretty well when I was a kid.
I just think lots of todays kids have it too easy.


If you want the dog then work more,get another job because you'll need it for all the other pet things like...food,vet bills,medicine...etc

That's a load of bunk. :P Just because kids today get things that you didn't get (many of which weren't even around back then) doesn't mean they have no values. And it really isn't a childs fault if they're spoiled. The parents do it. The kid didn't come out of the womb saying "gimme". And alot of parents give their children cell phones for emergencies. Either at school or out playing or even on the bus. Nowadays, more and more children are abducted and killed. If I were a parent I'd be scared crapless to let my child go outside and play, but if they had a phone on them I'd feel a tiny bit better. As far as payphones go, I live in the suburbs, if I want to go to a payphone, I'd have to go quite a bit. I got my cell phone when I was 16, and I'm not coddled or babied. And it's just my own opinion, but I've got a pretty good sense of values. Though it's up to every parent to be a GOOD parent on top of being generous.

[adorkablex]

The non-appreciation of many of today's young people.

Yep it bugs me when people don't appreciate today's youth as well. :rolleyes: :p ;)

[LuvBigRip]

I agree that you cannot blame the youth for what their parents have done or not done in raising them. But I think you have to look at society as a whole. Spanking children is bad, God is gone from school, prayers gone before games, schools with no ability to properly correct and punish children, the lack of accepting responsibilty for your own actions, the whole "I will sue the drug company because the medications I took of my own free will made me do it" mentality. How do we expect the kids to grow up like we did, if we don't make them grow up like we did? I think there are far more good young people out there than bad, but with the if it bleeds it leads mentality of the media, we never hear about it.

[lassss]

Take a look in the news at what todays young people are doing! Taking guns to school,killing other kids,sticking kids w/needles......
Kids not respecting parents,teachers.

When we were kids we were brought up to respect & we didnt dare act this way. We knew to check in w/our parents & to find a phone & call.

Every convience store(even in the suburbs)Usually has a pay phone.
As for abductions. Yes it seems its in the NEWS more than when we were growing up. I dont let my children run around by themselves.
When they hit that age when they want to go to friends houses then you better believe they will call me & let me know when they get there,when they will be home & who they are with. Otherwise that privlage will be taken away.
We are bringing our children up the way we were brought up..to respect adults & appreciate & work for what you want.

yep I agree..todays' youth's are so much different them when I was growing up..if I EVER talked back to my parents, I would get a whooping...today you can't spank a child..it's not politically correct...I always had to check in when I went someplace..etc...granted times are tougher now and the majority of a household is that both parents work, but that is no excuse not to be responsible for your kids. I see so many kids talk back to their parents and no respect for anyone..it's amazing :mad:

When I was 19, I was practically living on my own, I had a ft job, a new car, went on vacations, paid all my bills and today's kids EXPECT to be taken care of!

[evrita]

Umm I know of a town who fought to keep their 1 payphone in the WHOLE town kept up cause verizon was going to take it down so no they arent all that common.

It is up to us parents to raise our kids right and BTW this little bugger keeps swearing in her post and she inst banned yet? Oh yeah thats right No mods left

[adorkablex]

Take a look in the news at what todays young people are doing! Taking guns to school,killing other kids,sticking kids w/needles......
Kids not respecting parents,teachers.

When we were kids we were brought up to respect & we didnt dare act this way. We knew to check in w/our parents & to find a phone & call.

Every convience store(even in the suburbs)Usually has a pay phone.
As for abductions. Yes it seems its in the NEWS more than when we were growing up. I dont let my children run around by themselves.
When they hit that age when they want to go to friends houses then you better believe they will call me & let me know when they get there,when they will be home & who they are with. Otherwise that privlage will be taken away.
We are bringing our children up the way we were brought up..to respect adults & appreciate & work for what you want.


I dunno about the suburbs in your area, but around here we don't have gas stations except every so often and none of them are close to the sub divisions. So it may very well be that all stores have pay phones, but it doesn't help if you're 4-5 miles from a payphone when you need a phone. Unless they're handing out magic wands and broom sticks like from Harry Potter in your part of the country.




I hear just as much about people from your generation snatching little girls and raping then murdering them as I do people in my generation doing bad things. You can't act like my generation is so much worse than older ones. It's not true. And remember this, a child couldn't take a gun to school if their parents didn't allow then access to a gun.

I'm still expected to check in with my parents if I'm gone after a certain time etc. And having a cell phone helps with that. In todays world, a young female isn't safe after dark at a pay phone.


As far as children today having things better than their parents, yeah so? My parents had it better off than their parents did and my Grandparents had it better off than their parents. It's called progress. And it's on your head if you raised a spoiled brat. But don't blame kids today for acting the way they've been taught.

[YankeeMary]

I dunno about the suburbs in your area, but around here we don't have gas stations except every so often and none of them are close to the sub divisions. So it may very well be that all stores have pay phones, but it doesn't help if you're 4-5 miles from a payphone when you need a phone. Unless they're handing out magic wands and broom sticks like from Harry Potter in your part of the country.


So true...I can't imagine my sons being out and not having a cell phone to call home on. What happens if you are able to walk that 4-5 miles to a payphone and when you finally find one, you don't have a quarter, or the store is closed and you can't get change? I live 700 miles from family and know no one here, my sons have a cell phone mostly for my benefit, so that I can get a hold of them when I want to!!!
I am one of those mothers that is raising "spoiled brats" because we can afford a cell phone for each of our kids. My son isn't 10 but at 9 years old I bought him a prepaid phone (tracphone). When he turn 12 I bought him a cell phone with a plan. I am not on assistance and my DH works for his money and if he wants our kids to have cellphones, then they will. Bottom line. Neither has gone to school and opened fire on the other kids, neither do drugs. You never see a post on here from me that my kids are driving me crazy. Its not about what you have its about how you keep it in our home. My sons do alot of chores for the things they have, I can assure you all that they probably have more chores then any of thier friends and probably more chores then most on this board. They know what a dollar is and they know they have to earn it. I only GIVE them food and the necassary clothing, and furniture and school supplies, very little extra. If I am out and I decide to buy them something, then I do because I choose to not because they ask/beg for it. It truly saddens me that people judge others by what they have or what they don't have. Since when did material items or lack of material items make or break a person???
Sorry this is so far off topic but I get upset when people assume the worst out of others.

[llbriteyes]

I swear I don't know how this happened. We started out talking about dogs, and ended up with bad kids.

Generally speaking, children are a product of their childhood. I said GENERALLY speaking. You raise your kids the best you can, and hope for the best. That goes in ANY generation. You only hear about the "bad" really "bad" kids. My generation thought they were enlightened more than previous generations. And we were right. Technology has changed this world even since my generation. I believe each generation gets progressively smarter.

Each generation is different in its own right. You can lump generations together, but you can't lump PEOPLE together. Each generation has its incredible people. Each generation has its own drain on society. Thankfully, most of us fall in the middle somewhere.

In response to a question about bad parents I asked my mother when I was a teen, she said, "Every parent does what they think is right. They do the best they can, with what they have, at that time." Its true. If you don't discipline your children, be prepared for undisciplined adults. If you raise them to want... want... want... That's what they'll do. Children have a tendency to be what you expect of them. Yup. I got my butt whooped. When I needed it, and never in anger. My own father arrested me when I was 15. My sister never got in trouble. And guess what? We both grew up ok. I need to add that not only are children products of their parents, they are a product of their experiences. Not all children have good ones.

This is one thing I do believe in... Putting prayer back in school isn't going to help anything. Pray may be good, but it isn't the answer. Children need to learn actions and reactions. They need to learn there are consequences for what they do. Parents, teachers, principals, should make sure they're consistant in whatever they do.

As for whipping your kids... I didn't much. Only when they needed it and never in anger. God help them if they called the police or CPS. I would've made it worth their while. When you smack a child's hands when they stick their fingers in sockets, its a conditioned reaction. The child thinks, I'm going to get smacked for doing this, so I won't do it." My kids didn't need it much because we always had communication going. They knew the rules and what would happen if they broke them.

Ok.... enough on that.

THIS generation will be taking care of OUR generation. Just a thought. Also, I have never met a more intelligent group of people in my life. This generation is smarter than ours, and the next will even be smarter. Compassion comes with experience. So do many other things this generation is accused of not having.

I'll give a for instance for the good and bad in this generation... My youngest daughter worked her tail off, earned an academic scholarship. She worries constantly that if she isn't on the deans list she's somehow let them down. Contrast that with a spoiled brat in my own family... My uncles daughter is the same age as Amy. She was raised with everything given to her. She dropped out of college and got married. She's married to a man who has a ton of money. She literally married for money. She's not happy at all with him. Sure, she has stuff, and that's just the most important thing for her.

I think we should be thankful that our youth think about things. About how to make things better. How to create beauty we will appreciate in our lifetime. Their knowledge of technology and how to make things better for all of us is second to none.

I for one am proud not only of my own daughters, but in young people in general, and we have a few of them right her on this board.

Rock on girls.

Linda

[YankeeMary]

Also, I have never met a more intelligent group of people in my life. This generation is smarter than ours, and the next will even be smarter.
Isn't that the truth. I think kids now days come out reading, writing and knowing all about computers. My own sons come home from school with homework that there is no way I could ever help them. Smart smart kids now days.

[llbriteyes]

When my oldest daughter was in fifth grade, her teacher told us parents that if we could balance our checkbooks we could help our kids with their math. lol I didn't DARE tell him!

Linda



Isn't that the truth. I think kids now days come out reading, writing and knowing all about computers. My own sons come home from school with homework that there is no way I could ever help them. Smart smart kids now days.

[kimmylg]

The kid didn't come out of the womb saying "gimme".



:rolleyes: No, they don't come out saying it, but as soon as they learn how to talk they start!