it's free and you ain't even catholic, so shut up!!!

[irrelevant0]

the town trash, whores, bums, etc go to this little catholic nun and get free gas. (she calls us and they come pick it up, then she gets a bill.) the gas is paid for with donations made to the catholic church. most of these people aren't catholics, so they don't need to be there in the first place. flame me for that if you want, but that's how i feel. if you don't donate and never have, you don't need to take it. and quit throwing a fit because your voucher isn't here when you want it. it's free you skanky idiot! you should be glad you even get it, stop crying because it's not here now!

and before anyone tries to start this string of bs: I DO NOT GET FREE GAS. THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT I AM INVOLVED IN ON THE BUSINESS END, NOT THE RECEVING END. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS PROGRAM EXISTED BEFORE I LEARNED ABOUT IT. yes i know that doesn't make sense but i am not giving out too much info just in case someone knows what i am talking about or figures it out.

one woman actually called her lawyer and said we harrassed her. boo hoo. that is not true witch, and you know it. this woman and her crew had several vouchers called in and put them in 1 car. against the rules, and you're just mad you got found out.

i hate people more and more each day i leave my house.

[iluvmybaby]

the town trash, whores, bums, etc go to this little catholic nun and get free gas. (she calls us and they come pick it up, then she gets a bill.) the gas is paid for with donations made to the catholic church. most of these people aren't catholics, so they don't need to be there in the first place. flame me for that if you want, but that's how i feel. if you don't donate and never have, you don't need to take it. and quit throwing a fit because your voucher isn't here when you want it. it's free you skanky idiot! you should be glad you even get it, stop crying because it's not here now!

That is kinda harsh, not all ppl that need a helping hands are bums, or trash, most are honest legitimate people trying to get a helping hand, not a handout. Learn from the nun, she gives because she wishes to help others, not to stand in judgement of others.

However, on the OTHER end of the stick, I know how frustrating it is to see ppl come back time after time with their hands out, never once trying to better themselves, just looking for a free ride

[aloha2u]

OMG! Don't you just hate *****ing/whining free loaders? Makes me as sick as the jerks who sue the good samaritan!

[Shann]

:( it's so sad when you see ppl taking advantage of things like this when it was created for the ppl who really need it out there. She should be embarressed of herself, I know I could never do anything like that and be able to sleep at night. :( I completely understand, I hate ppl more and more each day especially living in Vegas. :(

[andreame70]

one woman actually called her lawyer and said we harrassed her. boo hoo. that is not true witch, and you know it. this woman and her crew had several vouchers called in and put them in 1 car. against the rules, and you're just mad you got found out.


Geez, if this woman could afford to have a lawyer at her beck and call it seems to me that she could be able to afford her own gas.

I understand what you mean about people not being appreciative what they are given and the fact that so many try to take advantage of a good program when they may not need it nearly as much as someone else.

Back in 1999, hurricane Floyd came through here and destroyed our home. We lost everything that we owned except for our car and a few pieces of clothing that we had packed in an overnight bag. We went to the food bank of a church to get some food that was supposed to be only for flood victims. One woman was loading up on stuff, when someone said to her "hey, you were not flooded out, I know exactly where you live and it was dry over there." The woman snapped back (just like this), "I didn't say I flooded, I said I's in da flood." Sigh.....

Andrea

[stresseater]

the town trash, whores, bums, etc go to this little catholic nun and get free gas. (she calls us and they come pick it up, then she gets a bill.) the gas is paid for with donations made to the catholic church. most of these people aren't catholics, so they don't need to be there in the first place. flame me for that if you want, but that's how i feel. if you don't donate and never have, you don't need to take it.
Not only is it harsh but it is also one of the biggest misconceptions floating around . It's also one of the reasons the democrats are against the government helping out faith based charities like they do other charities. You don't have to belong to or believe in a particular religion in order to recieve assistance. They are here to help those who need it. Truthfully it should be their job to do it and NOT the government. Might I suggest if you are helping so reluctantly that you find some other way to help people who you believe to be deserving. :rolleyes: ;) :D

[buttrfli]

I spent 15 minutes writing a reply then decided that it would look like I was flaming .. even though that wasn't my intention, so I deleted it LOL

Then this caught my eye.



one woman actually called her lawyer and said we harrassed her. boo hoo. that is not true witch, and you know it. this woman and her crew had several vouchers called in and put them in 1 car. against the rules, and you're just mad you got found out.


She has to go to catholic charities to get a gas card, but she has an attorney? TOO funny!

[freebielover]

There are people who do need it, but then there are freeloaders, those people tick me off so bad! Its ridiculous, I would be pissed if I were you too. And to get something free and complain about it is crazy! Thats like me getting a free sample at a store then calling a lawyer because I thought it was gross lol.

[silvermist]

I don't think she was intending to generalize like that. It's awful though when certain people take advantage of something good over and over and over again without thought of others who might actually NEED it, not WANT it for free.

[cathych]

i hate people more and more each day i leave my house.[/QUOTE]



Guess you shouldn't leave your house. The way I figure it, I do good to take care of myself. Life is too short to worry about everybody & everything else.

[LitWtch]

Guess you shouldn't leave your house. The way I figure it, I do good to take care of myself. Life is too short to worry about everybody & everything else.

:D Well said - these people obviously "qualified" for the program. If they lied to get it, then that is on them.
In regards to not even being Catholic, who are YOU to deem them unworthy due to their choice of religion? The Catholic faith is known for their generosity to ALL people.

[Freebeemom]

Our library gave away free ice cream cards for a local business (donated) last summer. Someone stole a huge stack of them and actually STOOD OUTSIDE THE BUSINESS and kept coming in for more ice cream. THe family of like 20 actually showed up and used the coupons again and again. What could the store do? The coupon didn't say {"one per person once a day" or whatever. Unbelivable things people will do!!!

[schsa]

When a person takes advantage of a freebie, chances are that business will not participate again. So all they have done is put an end to someone who thought they were doing something helpful.

Yes there are always people who will take advantage of charity. But there are just as many who need the assistance. The woman who called the lawyer should be taken from the list. It is obvious she doesn't need the help.

[BlueBerriTerri]

Well, I'm sure that you didn't mean to come off sounding so "venomous". But to characterize people needing help as the town trash, whores, and bums IS harsh. There are always going to be people who take advantage of any system--and they aren't always poor. The poor ones are just easier to spot because they tend to stand out more. And considering the fact that you made such a huge effort to prevent yourself from being identified with this group, maybe you should volunteer where you don't have to make so much people contact. Volunteering ideally should help you feel good, not make you hate people more every day, lol. What a sad world to live in where we all just helped people in our own little groups. Remember, we all belong to the human race. That story about Jesus coming to your door--not as a wealthy man dressed in fine clothes, but as a beggar always gets me.

Stresseater, ITA with you.

[starlynn]

i hate people more and more each day i leave my house.
I know exactly what you mean and I work at a gas station. I could go on and on about how stupid people can really be. I see it everyday. I tell my boss it's a good thing people can't read my mind because I would have been shot along time ago. People don't realize that programs like this won't be out there if they keep getting abused. :( My suggestion for this is that they should do it through the county programs and that way the $ will actually go to families that really can use it.

[irrelevant0]

i have been on this board maybe 5 times since i started working, and as soon as i get time to get on a little more, people start throwing fits in my first or second post. no one can say anything on here anymore without someone twisting it around. i am sick of people, on here and in person, giving me crap and not doing anything about it because i don't want to hurt someone's feelings or cause trouble.

i am not judging anyone in this situation, i am calling things exactly as i see them. if you were here you'd see how it is and you'd be agitated too. especially if it was your money being used to fund these people. and yes, it is my money. or was, i do not donate to the church anymore.

to whoever said i shouldn't leave my house: when you start paying my bills, feeding me, and giving me money to spend, i won't leave my house. until then shut up. that remark was fully stupid. you know (i hope) that a person can not stay in the house and never leave to work, shop, seek medical care, etc. i have every right to come on this board and vent just like anyone else and if you don't like what i have to say, stay out of my thread. and if it's that hard to take care of yourself, i feel sorry for you.

litwitch, i am jennifer. nice to meet you. you've not seen who comes in and who hasn't, so who are you to ask me who i am to say they're not worthy when i know what goes on and you don't? i don't think anyone who doesn't help themselves (if they are capable) is worthy of help of any kind.

to those who mentioned the woman and her lawyer, i was thinking the same thing about the woman being able to afford a lawyer and not paying her own gas.

the people who use this program come in about 3 or 4 times a week. they are all on foodstamps. they all spend about $20-$50 on lotto tickets when they come in. they all have 3 or 4 kids tagging along. i don't think i am judging anyone by saying they are bums or whatever when i see it with my own eyes every day. these people don't need help, they need a damn job.

stresseater, your remark with the little faces is uncalled for. i am not going to quit my job just because a bunch of bums come in and abuse a nun who is trying to help people who need it. i am not helping anyone. i work at the place this program goes through. i have no choice but to deal with them when they come in. i am not 'reluctantly helping' anyone, i am doing my job. (insert faces here)

yes we are all people etc, but these people should go to their churches for help, not mine. since i started working where i do and i found about about this program and how it is funded, i do not donate anything to the church anymore. i don't even go. i refuse to fund a program that hands money out so freely time and time again to the same people who are not trying to do a damn thing to help themselves. i work my ass off to earn what i do, and if i donate it i want it to go to someone who needs it, not a baby mama with foodstamps and welfare who won't go to work. and as far as not helping people of another religion, it's not quite about that. over half of these people who come in are the same people who were at a protest outside my church a few years back telling us we were all going to hell - we're so terrible, but they'll take our money. i don't think so. (this was when the priest molestation crap came out.) and as i said before, i believe they should go to their own church or one of their faith to ask for help.

[lassss]

i have been on this board maybe 5 times since i started working, and as soon as i get time to get on a little more, people start throwing fits in my first or second post. no one can say anything on here anymore without someone twisting it around. i am sick of people, on here and in person, giving me crap and not doing anything about it because i don't want to hurt someone's feelings or cause trouble.

i am not judging anyone in this situation, i am calling things exactly as i see them. if you were here you'd see how it is and you'd be agitated too. especially if it was your money being used to fund these people. and yes, it is my money. or was, i do not donate to the church anymore.

to whoever said i shouldn't leave my house: when you start paying my bills, feeding me, and giving me money to spend, i won't leave my house. until then shut up. that remark was fully stupid. you know (i hope) that a person can not stay in the house and never leave to work, shop, seek medical care, etc. i have every right to come on this board and vent just like anyone else and if you don't like what i have to say, stay out of my thread. and if it's that hard to take care of yourself, i feel sorry for you.




stresseater, your remark with the little faces is uncalled for. i am not going to quit my job just because a bunch of bums come in and abuse a nun who is trying to help people who need it. i am not helping anyone. i work at the place this program goes through. i have no choice but to deal with them when they come in. i am not 'reluctantly helping' anyone, i am doing my job. (insert faces here)

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wow you don't want anyone judging YOU but here you are judging the people who go through catholic charities calling them trash and whores and then tell people on here to shut up simply because they don't agree with you..if you don't want comments to your posts..then don't post...simple as that...everyone has a right to their opinions so don't turn on people when they give theirs! :confused:

[llbriteyes]

wow you don't want anyone judging YOU but here you are judging the people who go through catholic charities calling them trash and whores and then tell people on here to shut up simply because they don't agree with you..if you don't want comments to your posts..then don't post...simple as that...everyone has a right to their opinions so don't turn on people when they give theirs! :confused:

That's how I see it, too. I wonder if Mother Teresa thought about the "trash" wanting her help. I wonder if she asked them all sorts of questions, then passed judgement, THEN offered help. I'd say, NOPE. If you can help just ONE person, then it will have been worth it.

Judgements are best left up to God.

Linda

[buttrfli]

I've gotten help from Catholic Charities... but I'm a skank, not a whore :D

[CatrinaF25]

I've gotten help from them also.. back 5 yrs ago when dallas was having surgery every month for months . we had to drive to dallas texas with dallas ( hahaha drive to dallas with dallas ha ha ok i am goofy) anyways since we had to drive out of state and stay there half a month. they gave us gas cards to 7'11. it helped a great GREAT deal. we was able to fill up and get to texas ( cards was not good in texas) but it still helped a great deal as we would fill up our gas tank before we left and right before we would cross texas line we would fill up the rest of the way. use that as much as we could and then just fill up once in texas ( our money) and then on way back put just enough to get to oklahoma line and fill up in oklahoma. Man it saved us a lot of money . were very greatful they was there for us ( PS i am Baptist)
Staying in a hotel in Dallas texas cost a lot so without them helping with Gas I am not sure how we would of been able to get our son the surgery he needed.

[bulldog6186]

wow you don't want anyone judging YOU but here you are judging the people who go through catholic charities calling them trash and whores and then tell people on here to shut up simply because they don't agree with you..if you don't want comments to your posts..then don't post...simple as that...everyone has a right to their opinions so don't turn on people when they give theirs! :confused:


ITA

[dianepost]

I think you need a reality check as to why you are calling people such harsh names, whore skank etc. if you are that angry then just stop participating in the program, we have no control as to who does what. I am a catholic and i devote a lot of my time trying to help people who need help and i have seen my share of abusers but never once did i feel compelled to call anyone such awful names, you learn to be a better person and turn the other cheek at the time and report to administration that you know of a person that is abusing the system, they will warn the person of abuse and tell them they won't be eligible for future incentives. my gosh, no one is bashing you, only giving an opinion like you are doing.seems to me you are doing the bashing.

[dianepost]

Oh by the way, the remark about not being catholic is so juvenile, we help people who are any religion race, nationality and so on, even atheists, we are here to help and not judge.

[Willow]

If you aren't giving (donating) with an open heart then it's better that you don't give at all. If people are taking advantage of programs then that will be on their conscience and it will catch up with them in the end.

[mom2cvam]

If you aren't giving (donating) with an open heart then it's better that you don't give at all. If people are taking advantage of programs then that will be on their conscience and it will catch up with them in the end.


ITA
They will have to deal with Karma from their own actions.
The church is giving from their heart, trying to help people that they feel are in need. Yes its frustrating when people take advantage of help but you can't let that drag you down. Just know that you are being the best person you can be and that they will eventually have to answer for their actions.

[dlwt]

WOW I dont think anyone posted to your post to deserve THAT response. Take a breath girl. I think you are outa line on that. I normally dont get involved in stuff like that but irrelavant you are wrong

[YankeeMary]

I am just thankful that Jesus doesn't turn his back on those in need. I can't imagine calling people those horrible names, reminds me of that saying about walking a mile in someones shoes...hmmm...and for the OP to act as such and then saying she is catholic, doesn't make her the best witness for the catholic faith. So not fair. I do not have the same beliefs as the catholics, but I do respect their ability to help others in need. Maybe the OP needs to spend time with the helpful Nun she just might learn something from her. Jesus loves a cheerful giver.

[LindaL.]

Honestly I have a read alot of your post and you often come off as witchy... with a B.... I hardly ever see you post something nice and perhaps its just the way I read your post but I think you need to take a good look at yourself and stop worrying about other peoples problems.

[LitWtch]

i am not judging anyone in this situation, i am calling things exactly as i see them.
Calling people bums, whores and and trash IS passing judgement.


especially if it was your money being used to fund these people. and yes, it is my money. or was, i do not donate to the church anymore.

Now, repeat that??? It's NOT your money, so it's not your place to say how it is or is not allocated.


to whoever said i shouldn't leave my that remark was fully stupid.
Yes, that remark WAS stupid.... Why did you make it?


litwitch, i am jennifer. nice to meet you. you've not seen who comes in and who hasn't, so who are you to ask me who i am to say they're not worthy when i know what goes on and you don't? i don't think anyone who doesn't help themselves (if they are capable) is worthy of help of any kind.

So nice to meet you also. Just because I am not right outside the door you so want to slam, does not mean that I have not witnessed such behavior. Trust me, I've witnessed MUCH worse. It is still none of YOUR business whether they met the qualifications. It is the department who processes the applications business. THEY are the ones who failed, so place the blame on them for not doing their job properly.



the people who use this program come in about 3 or 4 times a week. they are all on foodstamps. they all spend about $20-$50 on lotto tickets when they come in. they all have 3 or 4 kids tagging along. i don't think i am judging anyone by saying they are bums or whatever when i see it with my own eyes every day. these people don't need help, they need a damn job.

THEN GIVE THEM A DAMNED JOB. God only knows they would have one if they could.



these people should go to their churches for help, not mine. ... i do not donate anything to the church anymore. i don't even go.

So is it your church or not?? Wait, it couldn't be, because you don't go nor do you fund it.

You are the one here being hypocritical (SP) and judgemental. Some of these people probably wish they could be in your position, so that they wouldn't have to ask for help and have someone like YOU looking down on them.

[LuvBigRip]

I've gotten help from Catholic Charities... but I'm a skank, not a whore :D
I have too, and I am neither a skank nor a whore. Nor am I catholic. To be perfectly honest, I am stunned at the venom the OP has spewed towards those less fortunate than they are. The same people that the judgements are being passed upon, are the same people Jesus, the person the bibles teaches us to follow, would break bread with. While I would agree that there are those that abuse the system, both public and faith based, but that is between them and God.

[freebielover]

Wow guys chill out, she vented! I don't agree with everything everyone says, we all have an opinion. In my opinion she has the right to complain about these people. Is she saying "Geez the women on this board are skanks?" or anything similar? There are deadbeats thats for sure, it seems shes frustrated because this nun is trying to help people and they're taking advantage while other people are being left out who REALLY need it. I just don't see why people have to be flamed so much. Its really getting old on the boards. There are so many people in the world that pretend they are these fantastic christians, yet they make horrible comments to other people. You don't have to come in here and sympathize, but you don't have to be rude either. I don't even post many threads anymore because anything you say can and WILL offend SOMEONE on here. I like the color purple, will I be flamed by the blue lovers now? :) Anyways I truly hope you all have a good day.

[lassss]

Wow guys chill out, she vented! I don't agree with everything everyone says, we all have an opinion. In my opinion she has the right to complain about these people. Is she saying "Geez the women on this board are skanks?" or anything similar? There are deadbeats thats for sure, it seems shes frustrated because this nun is trying to help people and they're taking advantage while other people are being left out who REALLY need it. I just don't see why people have to be flamed so much. Its really getting old on the boards. There are so many people in the world that pretend they are these fantastic christians, yet they make horrible comments to other people. You don't have to come in here and sympathize, but you don't have to be rude either. I don't even post many threads anymore because anything you say can and WILL offend SOMEONE on here. I like the color purple, will I be flamed by the blue lovers now? :) Anyways I truly hope you all have a good day.

I think she got what she deserved after going off on some of the comments posted in this thread:

irrelevant0: to whoever said i shouldn't leave my house: when you start paying my bills, feeding me, and giving me money to spend, i won't leave my house. until then shut up. that remark was fully stupid.

irrelevant0: litwitch, i am jennifer. nice to meet you. you've not seen who comes in and who hasn't, so who are you to ask me who i am to say they're not worthy when i know what goes on and you don't?

I think it is time to close this thread :(

[Njean31]

Wow guys chill out, she vented! I don't agree with everything everyone says, we all have an opinion. In my opinion she has the right to complain about these people. Is she saying "Geez the women on this board are skanks?" or anything similar? There are deadbeats thats for sure, it seems shes frustrated because this nun is trying to help people and they're taking advantage while other people are being left out who REALLY need it. I just don't see why people have to be flamed so much. Its really getting old on the boards. There are so many people in the world that pretend they are these fantastic christians, yet they make horrible comments to other people. You don't have to come in here and sympathize, but you don't have to be rude either. I don't even post many threads anymore because anything you say can and WILL offend SOMEONE on here. I like the color purple, will I be flamed by the blue lovers now? :) Anyways I truly hope you all have a good day.

i agree with you. there ARE deadbeats, heck i worked in a jail for 6 years and met a plenty. there is plenty of real trash (have you ever watched jerry springer?) in the world unfortunatley who take advantage and suck valuable resources dry when it should have to went to people who are really in need such as people who WOULD work if they COULD or the elderly. i think all charitable organizations should have some sort of investigator to weed out the true leeches and drains on society.

i also agree about being afraid to post here anymore. this board is so full of flaming in the past couple of weeks
:(

[buttrfli]

I think that if you are involved in something charitable and you feel this way, its time to stop. You aren't being forced to do this. Is it your money involved? I would hate to think that the few times I have needed help that there was someone involved who felt that way about me.

I agree that she vented, but some people need to learn how to express their feelings better than name calling.

[freebielover]

I'm not defending the name calling, but they could possibly be what she stated, they could be bums who knows lol. Anyways I do think if you feel that way get out of a charitable organization, but the OP said she just worked for the gas station and she sees this nun helping people out who take advantage, I don't think she is involved in the actual charity. Thank you for the last 2 posters who were polite, I understand people can enrage you but lashing out and calling names back is just in bad taste in my opinion.

[llbriteyes]

I think its more the fact that this is a PUBLIC forum. If you post in a public forum, you're going to get opinions. That's how it works.

Linda



Wow guys chill out, she vented! I don't agree with everything everyone says, we all have an opinion. In my opinion she has the right to complain about these people. Is she saying "Geez the women on this board are skanks?" or anything similar? There are deadbeats thats for sure, it seems shes frustrated because this nun is trying to help people and they're taking advantage while other people are being left out who REALLY need it. I just don't see why people have to be flamed so much. Its really getting old on the boards. There are so many people in the world that pretend they are these fantastic christians, yet they make horrible comments to other people. You don't have to come in here and sympathize, but you don't have to be rude either. I don't even post many threads anymore because anything you say can and WILL offend SOMEONE on here. I like the color purple, will I be flamed by the blue lovers now? :) Anyways I truly hope you all have a good day.

[llbriteyes]

I disagree Njean. For the last few weeks, this place has been blessed with glorious debate. Debates technically aren't based on emotion. Flaming is based on emotion. Debate is based on fact. The problem is, as I have seen from several people on here, its useless to have intelligent debate because anything rebuttle is based on emotion. Oh... and the people on Jerry Springer are actors.

Linda



i agree with you. there ARE deadbeats, heck i worked in a jail for 6 years and met a plenty. there is plenty of real trash (have you ever watched jerry springer?) in the world unfortunatley who take advantage and suck valuable resources dry when it should have to went to people who are really in need such as people who WOULD work if they COULD or the elderly. i think all charitable organizations should have some sort of investigator to weed out the true leeches and drains on society.

i also agree about being afraid to post here anymore. this board is so full of flaming in the past couple of weeks
:(

[Njean31]

I disagree Njean. For the last few weeks, this place has been blessed with glorious debate. Debates technically aren't based on emotion. Flaming is based on emotion. Debate is based on fact. The problem is, as I have seen from several people on here, its useless to have intelligent debate because anything rebuttle is based on emotion. Oh... and the people on Jerry Springer are actors.

Linda

I wasn't talking about flaming in debates, i was talking about flaming in general. this particular post is not a debate and yet the flaming is rampant
:rolleyes: and there is currently more flaming in other posts that are not debates :confused:

and the people on jerry are actors? the people in the jail i worked at weren't. there are alot of deadbeat, lowlifes, criminals, users, scammers in the world. like the wendy's finger lady (wow, that sounds weird).........her scamming cost them millions. there should be a harsh penalty for that.

we are human beings, not computers/robots..................emotion will always influence debate.........it's human nature, instrinsic, inherant.

[laughsalot]

Hateful, hateful, hateful! That is all I can say. I am sad.

[llbriteyes]

My bad. I though you were. Flaming in general isn't nice, however, just disagreeing with someone is fine. We all have our opinions based on fact, emotion, experience, etc. I think, for instance, that your attempt to feign rolling eyes is stupid. My opinion. Not flaming.

Yes. The people on Jerry are actors. Yes, there are millions of people who behave as such. The finger lady should be charged with several counts. Fraud. Conspiracy to commit fraud. And the woman whose finger it was deserves to be charged as well.

We are human beings. Yes. Some good, some bad. The first thing to remember when you debate someone is to know your subject. Second, know the other argument. Third don't take it personally. Fourth don't respond with emotion. Yes, emotion will always be found in debate. It shouldn't be. And debaters know the difference. When you use emotion in a debate, it means you have lost your advantage. Sort of like selling cars. After the talk is done, but you haven't agreed to buy the car, the first person to speak loses. It works like that. Debate works best when used with fact.

Linda


I wasn't talking about flaming in debates, i was talking about flaming in general. this particular post is not a debate and yet the flaming is rampant
:rolleyes: and there is currently more flaming in other posts that are not debates :confused:

and the people on jerry are actors? the people in the jail i worked at weren't. there are alot of deadbeat, lowlifes, criminals, users, scammers in the world. like the wendy's finger lady (wow, that sounds weird).........her scamming cost them millions. there should be a harsh penalty for that.

we are human beings, not computers/robots..................emotion will always influence debate.........it's human nature, instrinsic, inherant.

[VALENA-)45]

I spent 15 minutes writing a reply then decided that it would look like I was flaming .. even though that wasn't my intention, so I deleted it LOL

Then this caught my eye.



She has to go to catholic charities to get a gas card, but she has an attorney? TOO funny!I was thinking the same thing.

[Njean31]

My bad. I though you were. Flaming in general isn't nice, however, just disagreeing with someone is fine. We all have our opinions based on fact, emotion, experience, etc. I think, for instance, that your attempt to feign rolling eyes is stupid. My opinion. Not flaming.

Yes. The people on Jerry are actors. Yes, there are millions of people who behave as such. The finger lady should be charged with several counts. Fraud. Conspiracy to commit fraud. And the woman whose finger it was deserves to be charged as well.

We are human beings. Yes. Some good, some bad. The first thing to remember when you debate someone is to know your subject. Second, know the other argument. Third don't take it personally. Fourth don't respond with emotion. Yes, emotion will always be found in debate. It shouldn't be. And debaters know the difference. When you use emotion in a debate, it means you have lost your advantage. Sort of like selling cars. After the talk is done, but you haven't agreed to buy the car, the first person to speak loses. It works like that. Debate works best when used with fact.

Linda

why would i come into this post to complain about flaming in debates? i was obviously referring to this post....hence i'm in it. that's the reason for the rolleyes (which to me means DUH in this particular context). i thought the eyes would be better than saying something to the effect of "there you go flattering yourself again" because i thought it was too personal, but you get personal with the stupid comment above and push your personal opinions about me so that's why i didn't say it then but will say it now. it seems as though you disagree with EVERYTHING i say in a hateful, derogatory manner so why don't you just back off.

[llbriteyes]

Why are you becoming nasty? Didn't you read my paragraph on debate? What you're doing here ISN'T debate. And it shouldn't be. I made a comment you didn't like, so you rolled your eyes. Just like a child. I don't believe I was flattering myself. I also didn't get personal with you. I stated an opinion.... and MARKED it as such. Your perception of what I type is totally off.

I don't disagree with everything you say. And I don't get derogatory unless its given to me first. You went off, here, Njean. You went way off. Round the bend. There is pure hatered in what you have written, and it is completely undeserved. How do you justify such rancor?

Question: Back off WHAT?

Linda


why would i come into this post to complain about flaming in debates? i was obviously referring to this post....hence i'm in it. that's the reason for the rolleyes (which to me means DUH in this particular context). i thought the eyes would be better than saying something to the effect of "there you go flattering yourself again" because i thought it was too personal, but you get personal with the stupid comment above and push your personal opinions about me so that's why i didn't say it then but will say it now. it seems as though you disagree with EVERYTHING i say in a hateful, derogatory manner so why don't you just back off.

[lisahiser]

Well programs like that around my area that done by Catholic Churches will not even listen to you if you are NOT Catholic, and they ask. The one time I soooo needed help, it was 7 years ago, I called a Catholic Church here in my town to see if they would help me pay for my gas bill and the first question they asked was, "are you Catholic?" and I used to be when I lived with my parents many years ago, but I told them I wasn't practicing and they said that since I wasn't "practicing" that meant I wasn't Catholic and that they would not help me unless I was Catholic and then hung up on me. I was shocked. But I did get hold of the United Way and they helped me, but I was just so shocked that I didn't even call another church.
But I can understand how you would be upset, programs like this are for people who desperately need help, not for those who are too lazy to take care of things theirselves. and as for the lady with a lawyer....omg....

[Njean31]

Why are you becoming nasty? Didn't you read my paragraph on debate? What you're doing here ISN'T debate. And it shouldn't be. I made a comment you didn't like, so you rolled your eyes. Just like a child. I don't believe I was flattering myself. I also didn't get personal with you. I stated an opinion.... and MARKED it as such. Your perception of what I type is totally off.

I don't disagree with everything you say. And I don't get derogatory unless its given to me first. You went off, here, Njean. You went way off. Round the bend. There is pure hatered in what you have written, and it is completely undeserved. How do you justify such rancor?

Question: Back off WHAT?

Linda

you made a comment i didn't like above? you quoted me to disagree with me and thought i was talking about something else. then added the jerry springer comment to cast doubt into what i was saying. all of THAT was unprovoked.

back off what? in the majority of your responses to my posts (usually through quoting me) you insert words such as ignorant or stupid which is in reference to either something i've said or that i believe in. i believe that you thought that i was referring to you (concerning recent debating posts we've both particiapted in) when i was talking about the flaming around here and it ticked me off because i wasn't. and everytime you do post behind me and quoting me you are disagreeing and doing it harshly..........not to mention the way you talk to others on here.

i don't feel pure hatred toward you, just aggreviated.

[llbriteyes]

Njean, I suggest YOU back off. Step back and look what you just wrote here. There is no conspiracy toward you. My debate wasn't even with you, you, and you have every right, went into the debate with both feet. I have never called you stupid. I may have said something was "ignorant." But I suggest you look that up in the dictionary. It doesn't EVEN have negative connotations. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean there is a conspiracy toward you. I made the comment about Jerry Springer because its true. Not to impinge upon you. Geez. Everyone knows that.

I have said MANY times that you have every right to believe how you wish. Everyone does. This is America. When I disagree with someone, I state WHY I disagree. You consider that harsh. I consider that my right.

I don't say bad things about people on here. I can say outright that I think they're wrong, and this is why, but I don't call people names as a rule.

I think you need help.

Linda


you made a comment i didn't like above? you quoted me to disagree with me and thought i was talking about something else. then added the jerry springer comment to cast doubt into what i was saying. all of THAT was unprovoked.

back off what? in the majority of your responses to my posts (usually through quoting me) you insert words such as ignorant or stupid which is in reference to either something i've said or that i believe in. i believe that you thought that i was referring to you (concerning recent debating posts we've both particiapted in) when i was talking about the flaming around here and it ticked me off because i wasn't. and everytime you do post behind me and quoting me you are disagreeing and doing it harshly..........not to mention the way you talk to others on here.

i don't feel pure hatred toward you, just aggreviated.

[Njean31]

Njean, I suggest YOU back off. Step back and look what you just wrote here. There is no conspiracy toward you. My debate wasn't even with you, you, and you have every right, went into the debate with both feet. I have never called you stupid. I may have said something was "ignorant." But I suggest you look that up in the dictionary. It doesn't EVEN have negative connotations. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean there is a conspiracy toward you. I made the comment about Jerry Springer because its true. Not to impinge upon you. Geez. Everyone knows that.

I have said MANY times that you have every right to believe how you wish. Everyone does. This is America. When I disagree with someone, I state WHY I disagree. You consider that harsh. I consider that my right.

I don't say bad things about people on here. I can say outright that I think they're wrong, and this is why, but I don't call people names as a rule.

I think you need help.

Linda


the only help i need is to how to figure out how to put you on ignore. never had to do that before so i don't know how to do it. i'll figure it out. so next time you quote me to try to belittle me or whatever it is that you are doing you'll know why i don't respond and i won't have to read YOUR nasty remarks. you don't call people names "as a rule"........you can try to sugar coat ignorant and stupid all you want.....i KNOW what you mean when you keep saying that to people who don't agree with YOU.

OP, sorry about the hijack........all i was trying to say is that I fully understand what you are saying. there are PLENTY of people in the world you described doing exactly what you are complaining about. i live in the real world and have seen alot.....i've worked in a bar, a jail, and now as a hospice nurse going all over 5 counties meeting all kinds of folks. you have a right to be upset.

[llbriteyes]

I have only been in an "altercation" with one person on these boards, Njean, and it wasn't with you. I have never called you names. Definiation of ignorant: lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified. That isn't a name, its a state. Telling you you are ignorant of something is not an insult. It just means you don't know. Nothing bad about that. And I have never called you stupid. I may have said you did or said a stupid thing, but that is FAR from CALLING you stupid. Its your perception. I will agree that "stupid" is an ugly word, and will strive not to use it in the future.

I love talking to people who disagree with me. What a boring world it would be if we all agreed on everything. Its just that most people don't take disagreements personal.

I too, hope you find a way to ignore me. Oh, I know, why don't you, when you see my name, skip that post? Works for me.

Linda



the only help i need is to how to figure out how to put you on ignore. never had to do that before so i don't know how to do it. i'll figure it out. so next time you quote me to try to belittle me or whatever it is that you are doing you'll know why i don't respond and i won't have to read YOUR nasty remarks. you don't call people names "as a rule"........you can try to sugar coat ignorant and stupid all you want.....i KNOW what you mean when you keep saying that to people who don't agree with YOU.

OP, sorry about the hijack........all i was trying to say is that I fully understand what you are saying. there are PLENTY of people in the world you described doing exactly what you are complaining about. i live in the real world and have seen alot.....i've worked in a bar, a jail, and now as a hospice nurse going all over 5 counties meeting all kinds of folks. you have a right to be upset.

[YankeeMary]

Wow guys chill out, she vented! I don't agree with everything everyone says, we all have an opinion. In my opinion she has the right to complain about these people. Is she saying "Geez the women on this board are skanks?" or anything similar? There are deadbeats thats for sure, it seems shes frustrated because this nun is trying to help people and they're taking advantage while other people are being left out who REALLY need it. I just don't see why people have to be flamed so much. Its really getting old on the boards. There are so many people in the world that pretend they are these fantastic christians, yet they make horrible comments to other people. You don't have to come in here and sympathize, but you don't have to be rude either. I don't even post many threads anymore because anything you say can and WILL offend SOMEONE on here. I like the color purple, will I be flamed by the blue lovers now? :) Anyways I truly hope you all have a good day.
I agree a bit with you but also disagree. She didn't say the women on this board are skanks, etc...but it could be my sister, or someone elses sister, she is definatly someones daughter, no matter what this woman was/is she is still a human and to vent is healthy but to slam is unacceptable. You can vent all you need to but really is slamming this woman really worth your reputation, dignity, self respect? I would say no, but then again, I wasn't the OP.
Just for the record, I am a fantastic Christian!!! I love the Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart. He is perfect, I am not.

[tracyb]

I just can not believe the way that this has all turned out...you better Thank God that this was not the time he came back...sorry to say I do believe the way some of you all are acting would not make it in to the pearly gates....GOD IS LOVE AND LOVE DOES NOT HURT.....the tongues on here,typing, like he said will cut like a 2 edged sword and right now I do believe there are some wounds that need to be healed....for goodness sake guys cant you all just agree to disagree and be done......I dont like the word the op used but she is the one going to stand for these words on judgement day and the rest are too .......I just dont see the Love of God in these words in this post yes you might not want to here what God does or says but one day you can not say you did not know that you hurt people with your tongue....liek to put some bridles on here....lol...now I will pray for you all and please watch what you type and dont try to keep getting one up on the other person....we all fall short of the glory of God and it is by grace and mercy that he forvgives us of all except the one thing.....blasphem of the HOLY GHOST...
PEACE TONIGHT FOR EVERYBODY........pLEASE

[irrelevant0]

i am done with this thread, you all can continue to flame me or do whatever you wish to do in here, but i will not be back to read it. i didn't even read all the replies made after mine.

as i said, this board is for anyone to come and post on. that's what i did. you people telling me not to post and keep things to myself need to take your own advice. if you don't like this post, hit the back ley and don't reply.

and one last time: I CAN NOT "QUIT" THE PROGRAM! I WORK AT THE PLACE THAT ALLOWS THE NUN TO CALL IN! I AM NOT GOING TO QUIT AN OTHERWISE GREAT JOB TO AVOID THESE IDIOTS! i wish you could realize how stupid you look each time you type 'quit the program' and fail to register what i have said already - that i work at a store that allows it. i have just re-typed it twice, maybe it will sink in.

[BBBunny]

Damn OP, I hope you won't be manning the Pearly Gates anytime soon!

I'm not Catholic, don't ever hope to be. But I know plenty who are. They didn't just fall off the turnip truck and know that there are plenty of folks that will bleed any organizaton for all they can get. They also know that there are plenty of honest folk who desperately need their services. According to my MIL( a devout Catholic), If they (the RCC) consider even one of their recipients a "saved soul", it is money well spent. In a perfect world we could weed out those truly in need from those who'd bleed anyone dry for their own gain. Until OP has a plan that can differentiate between the two groups, I suggest she keep her hateful generalizations to herself.

[Willow]

i am done with this thread, you all can continue to flame me or do whatever you wish to do in here, but i will not be back to read it. i didn't even read all the replies made after mine.

as i said, this board is for anyone to come and post on. that's what i did. you people telling me not to post and keep things to myself need to take your own advice. if you don't like this post, hit the back ley and don't reply.

and one last time: I CAN NOT "QUIT" THE PROGRAM! I WORK AT THE PLACE THAT ALLOWS THE NUN TO CALL IN! I AM NOT GOING TO QUIT AN OTHERWISE GREAT JOB TO AVOID THESE IDIOTS! i wish you could realize how stupid you look each time you type 'quit the program' and fail to register what i have said already - that i work at a store that allows it. i have just re-typed it twice, maybe it will sink in.


Anger management?

[llbriteyes]

What about those in differrent religions, or those who don't believe at all?

Linda


QUOTE=tracyb]I just can not believe the way that this has all turned out...you better Thank God that this was not the time he came back...sorry to say I do believe the way some of you all are acting would not make it in to the pearly gates....GOD IS LOVE AND LOVE DOES NOT HURT.....the tongues on here,typing, like he said will cut like a 2 edged sword and right now I do believe there are some wounds that need to be healed....for goodness sake guys cant you all just agree to disagree and be done......I dont like the word the op used but she is the one going to stand for these words on judgement day and the rest are too .......I just dont see the Love of God in these words in this post yes you might not want to here what God does or says but one day you can not say you did not know that you hurt people with your tongue....liek to put some bridles on here....lol...now I will pray for you all and please watch what you type and dont try to keep getting one up on the other person....we all fall short of the glory of God and it is by grace and mercy that he forvgives us of all except the one thing.....blasphem of the HOLY GHOST...
PEACE TONIGHT FOR EVERYBODY........pLEASE[/QUOTE]

[llbriteyes]

LOL

Linda


Anger management?

[bribella]

I've gotten help from Catholic Charities... but I'm a skank, not a whore :D
omg! i almost spit my coffee out all over the pc when i read this LOL! :eek: :D
irrelevant0:
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Just because you don't agree with how those people live and what they do gives you no right to put them down.

Would you like it if someone who is better off financially, job wise ect.to judge you and put you down because of the way you live or the job you do? I doubt it.

We never know what direction life may take us. What if you end up having to be on welfare or some type of assistance some time :confused: It could happen.JMO

[tracyb]

What about those in differrent religions, or those who don't believe at all?

Linda

I dont know about that one....lol...all I know is the Bible does say" that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess".....I odnt push any religion on anybody just hope that we all can meet in Heaven one day....I say Salvation is what we want and not religion....what ever anybody is out there I can get along with you....lol..try atleast.....lol...

[llbriteyes]

Good answer! :) Its great to be able to talk to people about religion (my youngest daughter says its really hard to talk about it at college. People thinks she's a freak). I told her she has every right to be Christian, and that those other people are wrong for telling her SHE is wrong.

Anyway... thanks for the great reply.

Linda



What about those in differrent religions, or those who don't believe at all?

Linda

I dont know about that one....lol...all I know is the Bible does say" that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess".....I odnt push any religion on anybody just hope that we all can meet in Heaven one day....I say Salvation is what we want and not religion....what ever anybody is out there I can get along with you....lol..try atleast.....lol...

[redrig]

edited so no one can flame me for having an OPINION

[tracyb]

Good answer! :) Its great to be able to talk to people about religion (my youngest daughter says its really hard to talk about it at college. People thinks she's a freak). I told her she has every right to be Christian, and that those other people are wrong for telling her SHE is wrong.

Anyway... thanks for the great reply.

Linda
Thank you...I do think that is hard for younger christians in this world...satan has got such a strong hold on people..even christian people as well. :eek: :D ....it is just by the GRACE OF GOD that we hold on and endure until the end.....I would tell you my religion ;) but people just dont believe in it alot...no I dont care...I am pentecostal and I am proud of to be one...but like I said we dont preach on relgion we do salvation... :) I will pray your you dd to hold on strong to her beliefs and not let others get her off track...some thing we all can do for each other is PRAY FOR EACH OTHER :)

[tracey74]

all I can say is if these people are abusing the help from the church let them know that these people are coming in and buying lottery tickets with their money and whatever else.in most states if you can afford lottery tickets while on assistance then you arent considered needy.because any thing they win would be considered income in some states and theyd have to report it.or pay back the state what the state provided them.to me thats considered fraud becuase they are using funds that someone else could really use.like i said if they are abusing it then report what they are doing by spending their funds on lottery tickets and etc.especially when they seem to be repeat abusers IMO.I can see if they really needed it obviously they dont if they can buy lottery tickets thats my opinion.

[llbriteyes]

I think it is hard for younger people now too. I have no worries about my baby girl though. She lives it everyday.

Linda



Thank you...I do think that is hard for younger christians in this world...satan has got such a strong hold on people..even christian people as well. :eek: :D ....it is just by the GRACE OF GOD that we hold on and endure until the end.....I would tell you my religion ;) but people just dont believe in it alot...no I dont care...I am pentecostal and I am proud of to be one...but like I said we dont preach on relgion we do salvation... :) I will pray your you dd to hold on strong to her beliefs and not let others get her off track...some thing we all can do for each other is PRAY FOR EACH OTHER :)

[tracyb]

I think it is hard for younger people now too. I have no worries about my baby girl though. She lives it everyday.

Linda
I am glad to hear that....sounds like she is a very strong in her religion to be grounded securely in her faith .I hope my girls are strong in there values that we have or are instowing in them now whne they get out on there own.

[ebgreen74]

Its so funny how many people on here freak out whenever someone gets mad over certain people abusing the system. Really makes me wonder-hmmmmm.

[Njean31]

Its so funny how many people on here freak out whenever someone gets mad over certain people abusing the system. Really makes me wonder-hmmmmm.

it does speak volumes

[buttrfli]

Its so funny how many people on here freak out whenever someone gets mad over certain people abusing the system. Really makes me wonder-hmmmmm.


Thats funny ... no one here really was upset about someone being mad about the OP being mad, it was the way they went about expressing themself.

I didn't see one person on here in support of those who abuse the system.

[buttrfli]

it does speak volumes

They only thing I get from that reply is that you think that those who were upset also abuse the system themselves?

If I am wrong feel free to correct me.

[nightrider127]

I think people got angry because of the name calling.

I don't like people who take advantage of good things either. And there is plenty that do. People that take advantage of different programs, using them when they really don't need them take away from people who actually need what the programs give out. There was one person that replied here that used some kind of program like that and they actually needed it. Now what if the abusers took so much that there was nowhere for that person to turn? That would have been a real shame.

[HaveKids,LostMind]

To the OP who probably isnt reading this, but oh well, here it comes anyway...

I totally agree with you and it ticks me off too to see people taking advantage of charity and blatantly throwing it in your face at your work everyday. (I'm understanding you work at a gas station of sorts and these people come in to use their gas vouchers?) I would probably look down on those people too, not for being "bums, whores, etc" as you say, but for stealing donated funds from others who could really use it.

The way I would handled the situation would be to talk with the church. Let them know you see people spending the "money" on crap like lottery tickets and such. Maybe work with the church and help them monitor how the funds are spent.

I just cant believe as a devout follower that you'd quit your faith...That's insane!

I would work hard to change things. People in a church are family and I wouldnt stand for my family being taken advantage of, I'd do something to change things. Not abandon them...

There you have it folks, my 2 cents.

[llbriteyes]

That's why its so important to report abuse if you know about it.

Linda



I think people got angry because of the name calling.

I don't like people who take advantage of good things either. And there is plenty that do. People that take advantage of different programs, using them when they really don't need them take away from people who actually need what the programs give out. There was one person that replied here that used some kind of program like that and they actually needed it. Now what if the abusers took so much that there was nowhere for that person to turn? That would have been a real shame.

[PrincessArky]

I dont approve of the abusive if in fact there is some but if I was your employer I would fire you just for being that hateful.......but never fear my local wal mart is always looking for rude checkers LOL

[Barbi_Route66]

Unfortunately, there are some people who are looking for anything they can get for free; even though they are not in dire need.

[DreamWarrior]

I totally understand your anger at people like this, but you need to understand that not everyone who uses charity is a freeloader. Some people GENUINELY need the assistance. (my family for example) so for you to call everyone who uses the charities freeloading skanks and whatever else.. is TOTALLY offensive to me. I REALLY think you need to check yourself there....