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janelle
02-23-2005, 01:49 PM
He is having a young boy who is suspected of being a sexual predator with his parents on the show.

This will be one hard show to have and watch but important.

shellysms
02-23-2005, 02:34 PM
i'm having a hard time with this show..I'm having a hard time believing the boy...I hate to say that..I feel sorry for him but at the same time, I'm upset with him. He claims to have been abused 20 some times? but never told anyone? It's just a really hard thing to watch...and to wonder about????

MamaFairal
02-23-2005, 02:38 PM
i know the show isnt over yet but i had to post.

I DONT BELIEVE THE BOY! Period!

After Dr Phil slowed down the footage of him playing with his sister and looking back to see if anyone was looking.......while he groped her.........he's hurt that little girl i'd bet my life on it!
Why dont the parents just ask the little girl and tell her it'll stop if she tells them so they can help her?
i just dont know.
he keeps digging himself a hole deeper and deeper :(

buttrfli
02-23-2005, 03:26 PM
I watched it. No matter what the lie detector results show, this boy has some serious problems. He is so detatched and unemotional. If my family were saying the same things about me, I would be devestated. This kid dosen't bat an eye at ANY comment. Some things that I was sure he would show some sort of emotion to, he didn't. There wer also moments that I was sure he REALLY didn't remember the things his parents said he did (undressing the girl/cousin walked in) Sexual predator or not, this child is disturbed and needs some serious help... and booted out of the house.

I have a hard time with the fact that he STILL lives at home! If I had one tiny thought that anyone in my home, no matter who they are, were molesting my child, they would be out so quick they'd never know what hit them. The clip Dr. Phil showed of the boy playing with his sister disgusted me. I noticed it before he froze the frame and its horrifying.

I rarely watch Dr. Phil, but this show got so much hype I watched today.... and will watch tomorrow.

wndysfrnd
02-23-2005, 04:01 PM
OMG this show had me crying within the first five minutes. I do NOT believe that boy. It was really hard for me, being an adult survivor of molestation. I have major issues with that in general, and this show just brought out so many emotions.

irrelevant0
02-23-2005, 04:17 PM
i watched it, but i missed most of the second half because stuff started going on here. i really wanted to see it though. i plan on watching the second show tomorrow. i also noticed what he was doing before they froze it. i was shocked.

JKATHERINE
02-23-2005, 05:45 PM
I missed it! :( I'll try and catch the 2nd half tomorrow.

CatrinaF25
02-23-2005, 05:56 PM
Well I think the whole thing is sad... I dont think this should be on the DR phill show.. it is sick that it is.. This young man has some serious issues and I dont for one minute think embarassing him on TV will help that.. IMO
This whole family needs help.. First I dont believe in lie detector test. I could give you a link that proves that they dont always work. where FBI agents Police officers have failed. My sister and I both had to take a lie detector test when I was 12 because we was being molisted. Mine came up true that he had been doing this to us for 12 years. her's came up that he had not. I had seen with my own eyes he was also molisting and raping my sister.there is a reasson they are not allowed in court.. anyways back to my point.

I do think this family needs help but i think they could of got it without making this public .. I do think the young man has been molisting the little girl. But i do think he learned this some where and is very disterbed and is doing this for attention. this does not make it right!! at ALL...i think the family needs majior help! I am sick to my stomach they would air this its all about ratings and Dr phil getting paid. IMO this is going to be a very long road for this family.. I hope they donot throw away this young man.. I hope they get him help and he is able to come a postive young man in the world. if this has been going on as long as the parents say then shame on them for not getting all the children help. one of the children said how they hate him. this is sad!!!! His problems started some where and they need to find out WHERE it started and start there! :( and they need to get the whole family help and counseling!

wndysfrnd
02-23-2005, 06:29 PM
Well I think the whole thing is sad... I dont think this should be on the DR phill show.. it is sick that it is.. This young man has some serious issues and I dont for one minute think embarassing him on TV will help that.. IMO
This whole family needs help.. get the whole family help and counseling!


Personally, I am very glad they are airing this. Hopefully some child some where that is being molested will find out that they can tell. I was molested from the ages of two to fifteen. I didn't tell, because I was afraid. IF I knew then, just a little bit of what I know now, that sick (insert tons of bad words) would be six feet under. There is no way in hell I would not have told, IF something like this had been more public when I was being molested. I think it is very sad that the boy is possibly molesting his sister. That is horrible, and from what I saw on the show, I would be more apt to believe the results from the lie detector than ANYTHING he said. IMO, he acted too confident, and to me, he seemed like he had not a care in the world. And that smirky look on his face. IF he IS molesting her, I hope he is punished to the FULLEST EXTENT of the law. I have NO compassion for any sick individual who would do something like that to a child. I didn't tell ANYONE about being molested by my mom's brother until I was 25. I was deathly afraid. Now I have no idea why. I started seeing a counselor last year, and I confronted my molester. I told that sick s.o.b. EXACTLY what I thought of him and I told him just how sick he was. I was not the only one molested by him, my 2 cousins, his four stepdaughters. He has a daughter in the house now, and I would stake my life on it he is molesting her also. When my mom passed away in November, I asked one of my cousins to call him and tell him NOT TO BE THERE. Come to find out, since it was my mom, he had decided he wasn't going to come to the funeral because he was afraid of going to jail. My husband told me when I went to make the arrangements, take the pistol with me (for my own safety during a long trip). I KNEW that was not the right thing to do, because if that person had shown up at the funeral, I probably would have been taken to jail. I have come to terms with my molestation to the best of my ability at this time. But if I EVER, EVER see him, all hell will break loose.

Sorry for my rant. But molestation issues bring out the worst in me.

joesbaby
02-23-2005, 06:35 PM
i know a guy who was sexually abused for years. it does major damage. it causes problems in marriages, and estrangement from children. he gets mad and angry and hurtful all the time. he isnt as close to people as he should be. and his family is hurt by this. his parents say it never happend, he said it did. the person who did it is in jail, it was his uncle and it continued for years. but the problme is how it affected his life. you cant love a person who dont love himself. and its a hard thing to understand when you realize thats what it is. no matter how much you love them, it wont change.
i have 4 childern, 1 granson, and let me tell you, if i found out that someone abused them, id be beating someone. and id be darned if id let the child live in my house if it was one of my kids. i love my childern, but i wouldnt let my son stay if that happend. it would be too easy to hurt someone again. we were watching this in the counclers office today. my son said that it was sick, and that the boy should be beat. my son is left alone with our girls and he babysits them. hes a good big brother, but i trust him. i also tell my kids that if anyone hurts them, i dont care who it is, family member,joe, bubba whatever, come tell me and ill make it stop. i dont think anyone ever said that to the guy i know. but because of how he is now, i tell it to my kids everyday. that boy needs help. and his parents arent giving it to him or the other childen by pretending everything is ok. its a very sad situation. very sad.

janelle
02-23-2005, 10:11 PM
The parents have taken him to counseling and they haven't helped cause they said they need a victim to press charges and none have. Or something bad to happen first and the parents want him helped before he does something bad to someone like being charged with rape. I think up to now he has gropped young girls but not raped them, who knows.

One thing I don't understand about the Dr. Phil show is how and why would people come on his show and tell these things in front of a national audience? Also when he was taped touching his little sister didn't he know he was being taped? He looked around to see if his family was watching but the camera was right there taping him. Didn't he know that? Maybe it was planted where he didn't know it.

Kinda makes me think these are actors and playing to the camera. I should go onto his web site and ask that quesition. Just something that has bothered me for awhile.

But if these are real people I'm sure tomorrow we will find out he is quilty. They so much as said so. I wonder what Dr. Phil is going to do with him. I"m sure offer the right kind of counseling in his community. But the guy could
go to jail. He is 19.

It's so strange that both parents were sexually molested growing up and now their son. He said it happened at his friend's house by his friend's sister. Geesh you can't trust anyone anymore. Now we have to supervise our kids and not let them go to the neighbor's house cause we don't know what will happen there.

My SS would call us from his friend's house and tell us an adult was there but we took his word for it. He did become very aggressive like this boy when he got to be an older teen, makes one wonder. And his SF had lots of porn around his mother's house. One can only hope nothing happened.

Dr. Phil said he wanted to delve into all kinds of issues this season to make families healthy. Phenomenal families he calls it. This is becoming a big issue in our culture now so I guess he wanted to include it. It is important to many families.

If it helps even one family to get help for this it will have been a good thing.

buttrfli
02-24-2005, 07:32 AM
The parents have taken him to counseling and they haven't helped cause they said they need a victim to press charges and none have. Or something bad to happen first and the parents want him helped before he does something bad to someone like being charged with rape. I think up to now he has gropped young girls but not raped them, who knows..

but they are trying to get him help for being a sexual preditor.... they should have tried to get him help with the slew of other problems he obviously has.


One thing I don't understand about the Dr. Phil show is how and why would people come on his show and tell these things in front of a national audience?

Because they get paid for it. Plus they get free counseling and/or medical treatment. Some people are faithful to Dr. Phil and believe he can fix anything. Like I said earlier, I rarely watch his show, butr I did watch this one.


I"m sure offer the right kind of counseling in his community. But the guy could go to jail. He is 19.

If I were the parents and he ends up being guilty, I'd have him arrested before he even left the show. I realize thats not possible, but I'd sre as heck try.


It's so strange that both parents were sexually molested growing up and now their son. He said it happened at his friend's house by his friend's sister.

Did you believe that story? I believe the boy was molested, but he said this girl tied him up and beat him. It seemed the longer everyone was quiet, he'd add more and more to the story.

I'm not a huge Dr. Phil fan, but I am glad that this show aired. The longer this subject remains a "dirty little secret" the longer children will keep silent. I think all children should know about things like this... obviously not small children, but I let my 7 year old watch it yesterday and she had some really good questions about some stuff. Certainly she didn't understand the entire subject, but she knows that its wrong for ANYONE to touch her in her "hiding place" (thats what she calls it lol)

Willow
02-24-2005, 07:47 AM
I don't believe the boy was molested. I think he's just using that as an excuse for why he does it.

wndysfrnd
02-24-2005, 09:39 AM
Kinda makes me think these are actors and playing to the camera. I should go onto his web site and ask that quesition. Just something that has bothered me for awhile.



This isn't Jerry Springer. At least Dr. Phil has kept it real so far. IMO

janelle
02-24-2005, 01:16 PM
The second half is today. Wonder if he will go to jail or counseling. I bet he has to agree to couseling or it's off to jail.

I would think the Dr. Phil people have to tape hours and hours to get someone actually gropping like they did that guy. Would need to spend hours with the family. :confused:

faygokraze
02-24-2005, 01:24 PM
OH MY I was hoping someone else watched both parts to it. I was about in tears. WOW what a show!! I was almost late to work because I had to watch it.

I think that all there kids and the whole family needs counseling. I wonder what happened when they went home. The dad kept saying your dead to us.... well sheesh he still is one of your kids. The dad needs to be a dad and get his son help too. He should send him to a treatment facility.

It really bothered me that the dad was yelling at him on TV. I guess the dad just wasnt really ready to find out the truth even though thats what they came for. Im sure they were hoping for the best but when they got the bad news he couldnt handle it.

Mikai was obviously scared to tell anyone he needed help. He kept denying it and when he finally did start telling the truth it was when Dr. Phil said "I might be the only friend you have in the room now and Im here no matter what even if your family kicks you out" Mikai was afraid to admit he needed help.

I also believe there is something more that the parents arent telling. In the first part of the show they said that mikai was molested by one of his moms boyfriends????? In the second show they talked of it like it was just one of her friends. They must of had marriage problems also that lead to a breakup or something.

Sounds like a very DEEP situation that this family should be spending LOTS of time at therapy!!

I wouldnt go on national TV if anything of that nature was happening in my family!!

janelle
02-24-2005, 01:47 PM
It was one of his FRIEND'S MOM'S BOYFRIENDS. Yes, I know, it's hard to keep all the players apart. :confused:

It comes on here at 3 so haven't watched the second half yet. If his dad can't accept him now it's probably because he was molested as a kid.

This whole family has molestation in it's background. The parents should have had counseling years ago when it happened to them. I'm glad it may stop here in this generation for them if they get help now. But then years ago they really didn't know that much about it and how to do therapy for it. :(

kybeauty
02-24-2005, 02:09 PM
The show left me sick and speechless.....I hope there is help for him.... :confused:

catssass
02-24-2005, 02:45 PM
I missed the first part of today's show, did the lie detector prove he molested the sister? Wow, this is a powerful show, it shows you always have to be aware of everything, that they are all not "creepy looking" molesters, that they can be nice, normal looking kids....Something I have preached to my kids forever...

...and either this family is in shock or they are really cold people, no emotion, I would be crying, screaming, hating, loving...something

wndysfrnd
02-24-2005, 02:51 PM
Omg

Willow
02-24-2005, 02:59 PM
It's about to start any minute. It doesn't come on until 5pm here.

kybeauty
02-24-2005, 03:06 PM
and either this family is in shock or they are really cold people, no emotion, I would be crying, screaming, hating, loving...something

I am interested in WHAT kind of help they are going to give him....shouldn't he be in jail?!?! Or is is "ok" to "touch" your sister.....

I just don't get it ...I am mad at the parents..mad at Mikai...my heart breaks for the little girl...

CatrinaF25
02-24-2005, 03:21 PM
grrrr i posted a big replie but it didnt go threw..


I understand most wont agree with i am going to say and thats ok. i still love ya!

I think this whole family needs help. I feel so bad for the little girl! and I feel bad for the boy also! because he was abused and the parents did not fight for him or get him help at the time this happened!! SHAME on the parents IMO. Now I do think there should be shows teaching children how to tell when they are being molisted raped or abused.But i dont think this Boy should have to tell the WHOLE world what he did. I think he needs to be working with a counserlor.( off tv!) i think there is a lot going on that is not being said. I think the Boy knew for a long time he has been dead to the family ( the dad confirmed this today) I think he has needed help every since he was a little boy and the parents failed him then. a lot of times children grow up to do what was done to them. that does not make it right at all... He needs HELP! the whole family Needs HELP!! the little girl needs HELP! I think the parents should of gotten him help when he was younger and maybe this would not of happened now! I think they need to understand he was abused and he needs help for that and help because he is now a abuser. I hope he will not lose his family.. :( that makes me very sad! I Also have a feeling he has always been a outcast in the family and he acted out in a way to get attention :( I think he may be 19 but i think he is not mentially 19.I hope they get him help and i hope he can get fixed because what he has done to this little girl is wrong and horriable!!

CatrinaF25
02-24-2005, 03:26 PM
I am interested in WHAT kind of help they are going to give him....shouldn't he be in jail?!?! Or is is "ok" to "touch" your sister.....

I just don't get it ...I am mad at the parents..mad at Mikai...my heart breaks for the little girl...

ofcource it is NOT ok for him to touch his sister or any other child.
I personally think he needs to be in a hosptial where he can get help.. I think he needs help because he has been a victim and now is doing what is done to him :(

janelle
02-24-2005, 03:34 PM
Go to www.drphil.com

You can read what others have to say and also more of the background of this family.

kybeauty
02-24-2005, 04:08 PM
Thanks so much for the link janelle....such a very sad story..I hope he gets (and the little girl) the help he needs...

janelle
02-24-2005, 04:19 PM
The web site is interesting. Most are blaming the parents and mad at how they reacted to the truth. They feel sorry for the son though not defending what he did.

Thank God the parents did not ignore the problem and they knew they were not getting the help they needed from the professionals who told them he would have to do something bad before they could help. HUH?

I can't blame any of the family on how they reacted at the moment they learned the truth. Like the brother said he was so tired of always talking about Makai and going to therapy about him. This family is worn down. I hope they can recuperate and come back together for more help.

janelle
02-24-2005, 04:26 PM
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janelle
02-24-2005, 04:30 PM
"My wife and I feel that our son, Mikai, is a sexual predator," says Brad of his 19-year-old son. "He has another life that we really don't know anything about because he is so good at hiding the truth."

"He is so obsessed with sex," says Kenda. "He has no boundaries, no sense of, 'This girl is too young.' He will go after anybody who will give him a piece." Mikai has been looking at porn Web sites since he was 14, and has reportedly had sexual contact with girls he has met online. He's been caught viewing porn on the computer at the library. Brad recently received a phone call from an angry father who said Mikai was having phone sex with his 13-year-old daughter, and Mikai has also been accused of making girls touch him inappropriately. "I think he's in contact with as many girls as he can to fulfill whatever desires he has sexually," says Brad.

Brad and Kenda's younger sons have complained that Mikai has tried to grope some of their friends. And when Mikai dropped out of school last year, the school counselor said that there were complaints against him for deviant sexual behavior.

Brad and Kenda have turned off the long distance on their home phone because Mikai ran up huge phone bills to sex hotlines, and they have restricted Internet access in their home. "He is holding us hostage in our own home," a frustrated Kenda explains.

queenangie
02-24-2005, 04:38 PM
I was at work and missed both shows.
Just reading the comments here and
viewing Dr. Phil's segments makes me sick to my stomach.

Hope that young man gets the help he desperately needs.
And those parents better protect that little 4 yo girl.

bribella
02-24-2005, 06:44 PM
grrrr i posted a big replie but it didnt go threw..


I understand most wont agree with i am going to say and thats ok. i still love ya!

I think this whole family needs help. I feel so bad for the little girl! and I feel bad for the boy also! because he was abused and the parents did not fight for him or get him help at the time this happened!! SHAME on the parents IMO. Now I do think there should be shows teaching children how to tell when they are being molisted raped or abused.But i dont think this Boy should have to tell the WHOLE world what he did. I think he needs to be working with a counserlor.( off tv!) i think there is a lot going on that is not being said. I think the Boy knew for a long time he has been dead to the family ( the dad confirmed this today) I think he has needed help every since he was a little boy and the parents failed him then. a lot of times children grow up to do what was done to them. that does not make it right at all... He needs HELP! the whole family Needs HELP!! the little girl needs HELP! I think the parents should of gotten him help when he was younger and maybe this would not of happened now! I think they need to understand he was abused and he needs help for that and help because he is now a abuser. I hope he will not lose his family.. :( that makes me very sad! I Also have a feeling he has always been a outcast in the family and he acted out in a way to get attention :( I think he may be 19 but i think he is not mentially 19.I hope they get him help and i hope he can get fixed because what he has done to this little girl is wrong and horriable!!

I agree with you.

dangerousfem
02-24-2005, 07:02 PM
grrrr i posted a big replie but it didnt go threw..


I understand most wont agree with i am going to say and thats ok. i still love ya!

I think this whole family needs help. I feel so bad for the little girl! and I feel bad for the boy also! because he was abused and the parents did not fight for him or get him help at the time this happened!! SHAME on the parents IMO. Now I do think there should be shows teaching children how to tell when they are being molisted raped or abused.But i dont think this Boy should have to tell the WHOLE world what he did. I think he needs to be working with a counserlor.( off tv!) i think there is a lot going on that is not being said. I think the Boy knew for a long time he has been dead to the family ( the dad confirmed this today) I think he has needed help every since he was a little boy and the parents failed him then. a lot of times children grow up to do what was done to them. that does not make it right at all... He needs HELP! the whole family Needs HELP!! the little girl needs HELP! I think the parents should of gotten him help when he was younger and maybe this would not of happened now! I think they need to understand he was abused and he needs help for that and help because he is now a abuser. I hope he will not lose his family.. :( that makes me very sad! I Also have a feeling he has always been a outcast in the family and he acted out in a way to get attention :( I think he may be 19 but i think he is not mentially 19.I hope they get him help and i hope he can get fixed because what he has done to this little girl is wrong and horriable!!


How were they suppose to get help for him when he was little if they didn't know? he and the parents have both stated several times... that he never told them he was molested.

CatrinaF25
02-24-2005, 09:10 PM
i dont believe for ONE second they could not tell this boy had problems when he was younger.. and i also dont believe they did not know he had been abused, sorry i just dont

dangerousfem
02-24-2005, 11:04 PM
I don't know.. just because your child is lying and acting out.. doesnt mean he was molested... she said they asked him... and he said no... after that what are you suppose to do?

CatrinaF25
02-25-2005, 01:05 AM
I don't know.. just because your child is lying and acting out.. doesnt mean he was molested... she said they asked him... and he said no... after that what are you suppose to do?
ITA it does not mean that. I dont believe they didnt know.. i dont believe the mom or dad is being totally honest. and they seen he was having a lot of problems they should of had him in to see a counselor

YNKYH8R
02-25-2005, 12:18 PM
I don’t understand what kind of help they are supposed to get for this guy. He already knows that what he did was wrong. What else is there to do to him? Let’s say he talks about being abused if he was so what? How does one actually change a person so that they are no longer a sexual predator? It wouldn’t surprise me if this guy is dead in a year and it is self inflicted. :(

Willow
02-25-2005, 12:34 PM
I don't believe for a minute that he was abused/molested. He's a pathological liar if anything. It freaked me out to look at him. You could tell something wasn't right about him. He had that sneaky smirk on his face. I don't know how much if at all counseling helps sexual predators. I think once you start doing that it's just something that's in you and I don't know if a person can change.

janelle
02-25-2005, 12:50 PM
Yes, the lie detector said he was evading when he said no he never touched his sister sexually. It also showed he was not consistent when they asked him if he was ever molested. So who knows if he was ever molested. I would think he would be more upset if he was and hating his molesters. He just says he was molested and now he doesn't know what the right thing is when it comes to sex. OH PLEEASE, a molested person knows what bad touching is cause it happened to them.

And the parents did have him in counseling. He's been to counseling for a long time. So long that his brother said he was tired of going and always talking about Makai.

I don't know how they do treatment on this but he is only 19 and young enough to turn around if he wants to. You might not know but Don Johnson had sex with his babysitter when he was 13 and the sitter was 19. Yeah, don't know why a 13 year old needed a sitter but he may have had younger siblings. He grew up in my town so I remember this. He went on to have a productive life but also divorces. If this young man can be helped to know how to contain his feelings and how to treat women the right way he may ber able to live a normal life.

YNKYH8R
02-25-2005, 01:19 PM
Another thing that gets on my nerves about Dr. Phil and other talk shows with interviews is the stupid questions they ask. After Phil told him the results of the polygraph and all family members got a chance to chime in then comes the stupid questions and comments. Like how he feels now, or what he wants to do about it, or what he has to say for himself. The kid says, “I know I’m sorry won’t do any good so what do you want me to say?”

Help containing his feelings? I may sound pesamistic but it just seems to me there is nothing that can be done. This guy is a far cry from Don Johnson. He already admits that what has done is wrong. He doesn't have a mental defect preventing him from knowing what is wrong or right. You can't tell him something he already knows. So what is tobe done?

janelle
02-25-2005, 02:28 PM
Yes, he knows it is wrong, at least when he talks to others about it. Maybe only saying what they want to hear. :confused:

If he has therapy that goes deeper than it will help him know himself and how to control himself. Hopefully.

Dr. Phil says what he is doing on TV is not therapy. He is trying to interview for facts and info. It's for an audience to learn about disorders and then how to get help for them. Lots of people have this sad condition happening in their families.

Go to the web site I posted and read the messages. Just sad.

faygokraze
02-25-2005, 04:45 PM
For sure the parents had some idea what was happening, since after the bathroom incident with his little sister they enforced the 2 brother rule. Heck after the bathroom incident they should have sent him away for help, instead they tried to make up this rule. There parents definately could have done a better job at protecting the family especially that little girl!!

freebielover
02-26-2005, 12:39 PM
The whole thing seemed to me that the kid was making excuses, "It was a cry for help" Oh geez give me a break, that kid is messed up and I don't think all of the counseling in the world will help him because he doesn't seem to want the help. Its a game to him he was smiling after they learned what he did to his sister. I don't believe it was one time either, and I do NOT believe he was molested by 27 different people. That poor little girl, her parents should have kicked his butt out the SECOND they thought he was hurting that baby. I know he is their son, but their #1 concern should be protecting her, not him. I truly hope he gets the help he needs and shapes up. I am glad they aired this, maybe it will give someone the help they need. On another note, where the heck do these people live where molestation is that frequent? Both parents, the son, the daughter? I guess I never realized how often it happens, its sad.