Looks like four more years to complain

[DivineMsDi]

about the bad economy, and status quo... :(

Wonder who we will have in '08? (any one but Hillary, please).

[Quaker_Parrots]

Hey at least it wont be Bush...

I think Guiliani(former mayor of NY) should run.

[DivineMsDi]

Quaker_Parrots Hey at least it wont be Bush...

I think Guiliani(former mayor of NY) should run

I agree. Read my "tag line" under my name. I usually vote DEMOCRATIC party but I would vote for Rudy (especially over Hillary..... :eek: )

[ladybugbhb]

serious question guys:
do you guys think that hillary would get elected bc of her "career" or bc she is a woman?
i think that there are alot of ppeps that would vore for her just bc of that and not look at the issues.

[YNKYH8R]

I don't know anything about Hillary's career. For me it would depend on world events and her platform.

[Quaker_Parrots]

serious question guys:
do you guys think that hillary would get elected bc of her "career" or bc she is a woman?
i think that there are alot of ppeps that would vore for her just bc of that and not look at the issues.

Hey she ran the country for 8 years, why not 8 more? lol.

Seriously though, like YNKYH8R said it would depend on her platform, and what the world is like then.

[Anthill]

I would vote for Hilary in a heartbeat!!!!

And I agree 4 more years of scary stuff!!!!! :(

[schsa]

Hillary is one smart person. I admire her. But four more years of the weasel is making me nervous. So much for the economy and Social Security.

[erniemarie]

If you think things were bad before, then watch out now, he no longer has to woory about reelection or public opinion, he now can become the dictator and tyrant he truly is and reak hall and havoc on the country with no fear of repruccusions, think the number of dead in Iraq is high now? wait four years it will be another Vietnam, think social security and medicaid and medicare is bad now wait for years they won't even exsist, think the dept is bad now just wait four years, I am truly afraid to live in a country where someone as dangerous as Adolf Hitler is freely given the power to reign as our leader, God help us all and save us from his terror, I for one am investigating Canadian citizenship, I would truly prefer to give up my American citizenship so I can raise my daughters in a place where they can be free and not live in fear for their lives and safety

[JKATHERINE]

If you think things were bad before, then watch out now, he no longer has to woory about reelection or public opinion, he now can become the dictator and tyrant he truly is and reak hall and havoc on the country with no fear of repruccusions, think the number of dead in Iraq is high now? wait four years it will be another Vietnam, think social security and medicaid and medicare is bad now wait for years they won't even exsist, think the dept is bad now just wait four years, I am truly afraid to live in a country where someone as dangerous as Adolf Hitler is freely given the power to reign as our leader, God help us all and save us from his terror, I for one am investigating Canadian citizenship, I would truly prefer to give up my American citizenship so I can raise my daughters in a place where they can be free and not live in fear for their lives and safety

Ty, ErnieMarie. My thoughts exactly. :(

[delSol]

please post the pics of you new place

[ladybugbhb]

please post the pics of you new place

lol

[DAVESBABYDOLL]

please post the pics of you new place


That was rude...she truly feels that why..why mock her? :rolleyes:

[grammy2_1]

No offense intended here....but, Whoa...a bit overboard maybe...lol...if anyone was like Hitler, that would be Saddam!
I do have to ask...How come none of the people complaining about innocent citizen's of Iraq being killed in this war...didn't seem to care one whit about them for 30+ years while Saddam was MASS Murdering his own INNOCENT people? It makes no sense except that some people just have to have their tree to hug, their soapbox to mount and their whale to save...that they don't really care about the issue, they care only about HAVING an issue to complain about.
Who cried for the innocents of before?

[momfromTN]

If you think things were bad before, then watch out now, he no longer has to woory about reelection or public opinion, he now can become the dictator and tyrant he truly is and reak hall and havoc on the country with no fear of repruccusions, think the number of dead in Iraq is high now? wait four years it will be another Vietnam, think social security and medicaid and medicare is bad now wait for years they won't even exsist, think the dept is bad now just wait four years, I am truly afraid to live in a country where someone as dangerous as Adolf Hitler is freely given the power to reign as our leader, God help us all and save us from his terror, I for one am investigating Canadian citizenship, I would truly prefer to give up my American citizenship so I can raise my daughters in a place where they can be free and not live in fear for their lives and safety


You have GOT to be kidding. Adolf Hitler? OMG, :eek: Please, calm down and really THINK this out.I understand your frustration because your candidate, whom people have seemed to elevate to the level of Lord and Savior does not appear to be winning, but to compare him to Hitler, Geez! I didn't like Clinton, but I surely wouldn't have gone to Canada because of it. As far as Medicaid and Medicare, they exsist and will exist in 4 years. That kind of thing has been used to scare people for years. In fact, there will be a prescription benefit by 2006. You cannot blame EVERYTHING wrong in the world on our president. Some of these things started WAY before he ever took office. What about Clinton's health insurance plan? He had 8 YEARS to put it into place. Did he? Nope.

At any rate, if you really feel Canada will be your Nirvana, by all means, I wish you much luck and hope things get better for you there. Hate to lose good people, but if you are determined, I guess we cannot stop you.

[dangerousfem]

No offense intended here....but, Whoa...a bit overboard maybe...lol...if anyone was like Hitler, that would be Saddam!
I do have to ask...How come none of the people complaining about innocent citizen's of Iraq being killed in this war...didn't seem to care one whit about them for 30+ years while Saddam was MASS Murdering his own INNOCENT people? It makes no sense except that some people just have to have their tree to hug, their soapbox to mount and their whale to save...that they don't really care about the issue, they care only about HAVING an issue to complain about.
Who cried for the innocents of before?

well said

[erniemarie]

You have GOT to be kidding. Adolf Hitler? OMG, :eek: Please, calm down and really THINK this out.I understand your frustration because your candidate, whom people have seemed to elevate to the level of Lord and Savior does not appear to be winning, but to compare him to Hitler, Geez! I didn't like Clinton, but I surely wouldn't have gone to Canada because of it. As far as Medicaid and Medicare, they exsist and will exist in 4 years. That kind of thing has been used to scare people for years. In fact, there will be a prescription benefit by 2006. You cannot blame EVERYTHING wrong in the world on our president. Some of these things started WAY before he ever took office. What about Clinton's health insurance plan? He had 8 YEARS to put it into place. Did he? Nope.

At any rate, if you really feel Canada will be your Nirvana, by all means, I wish you much luck and hope things get better for you there. Hate to lose good people, but if you are determined, I guess we cannot stop you.

do I want to go to Canada no but like I said I feel Bush is far more dangerous than anyone can conceive, I am truly afraid for my and my children's safety living in a world where a dictator with no care or concernm for anything but his own personal agenda is in control, I know many like Bush but I find it very sad and frightening that he has massivly brainwashed so many innocent people into openly and willingly giving him unlimited power to corrupt and destroy the country as he sees fit, you may think I am overboard comparing him to Hitler but I honestly feel that is no strech he is just as powerful, controlling and evil a person as Hitler was and if you recall Hitler was also legally elected to power byt the people of his country

[YNKYH8R]

Ty, ErnieMarie. My thoughts exactly. :(

Actually I was thinking about job potentials in Canada this morning while I was in the shower. :D

I just didn't say anything before I left for work. :D

[amysusi]

I'm far more afraid of having Kerry taking this country to pot and opening us up for terrorist attacks.

[YNKYH8R]

No offense intended here....but, Whoa...a bit overboard maybe...lol...if anyone was like Hitler, that would be Saddam!
I do have to ask...How come none of the people complaining about innocent citizen's of Iraq being killed in this war...didn't seem to care one whit about them for 30+ years while Saddam was MASS Murdering his own INNOCENT people? It makes no sense except that some people just have to have their tree to hug, their soapbox to mount and their whale to save...that they don't really care about the issue, they care only about HAVING an issue to complain about.
Who cried for the innocents of before?

No one did, that is the point. Individual Americans may or may not have cared. And if you think the American Government cares now it doesn't. All the US Government cares about now, are the bottom line and how to extend the evil empire further.
Yes, Saddam mass murdered, but that was '88. We did nothing. Nobody did anything at all. We sold arms to Iran and Iraq. Saddam ran amok for 20+ years, and now we remove him because we care? No! because we want more, more , more. The cold war is over people, there are new teratories to conquer in the midle east.

[grammy2_1]

I'm far more afraid of having Kerry taking this country to pot and opening us up for terrorist attacks.
Amen! Well said!
I have said from the start of this...'If Kerry got in...there WOULD soon be another terrorist attack on the USA...why? Because history has proven that when it comes to military force and having the 'you know what's' to use it...the democrats are very weak in that area.' The entire world knows that to be true...including the terrorists and they would have jumped on the opportunity to attack, figuring the democratic president would not act/re-act in the way the republican president did!

Now, its over, for now...another election will come around...but now, we American's have to do what we've always done best...no matter the situation...COME TOGETHER, STAND TALL AND STAND UNITED! Regardless of the party we back! :)

[Willow]

I'm very worried about more attacks. :(

[grammy2_1]

No one did, that is the point. Individual Americans may or may not have cared. And if you think the American Government cares now it doesn't. All the US Government cares about now, are the bottom line and how to extend the evil empire further.
Yes, Saddam mass murdered, but that was '88. We did nothing. Nobody did anything at all. We sold arms to Iran and Iraq. Saddam ran amok for 20+ years, and now we remove him because we care? No! because we want more, more , more. The cold war is over people, there are new teratories to conquer in the midle east.
Uh, no, that's wrong...The Senior Mr. Bush tried to remove Saddam from power and in the process took away a good amount of the power he had at that time. Clinton, tossed a few missles his way, that's it.
For 30+ years, no one had the 'jewels' to do anything about Saddam on a serious level...until George W. Bush.
I'm sick of hearing, 'No WMD's' So what? They were there and obviously removed and if nothing was done...do you honestly think that Saddam would have been a good boy for all time? Now way! He was building and building his power...for what means? because he wanted to take over the world-hense-a DICTATOR on the level of Hitler. A Madman...period.

[YNKYH8R]

If you think things were bad before, then watch out now, he no longer has to woory about reelection or public opinion, he now can become the dictator and tyrant he truly is and reak hall and havoc on the country with no fear of repruccusions, think the number of dead in Iraq is high now? wait four years it will be another Vietnam, think social security and medicaid and medicare is bad now wait for years they won't even exsist, think the dept is bad now just wait four years, I am truly afraid to live in a country where someone as dangerous as Adolf Hitler is freely given the power to reign as our leader, God help us all and save us from his terror, I for one am investigating Canadian citizenship, I would truly prefer to give up my American citizenship so I can raise my daughters in a place where they can be free and not live in fear for their lives and safety

I wouldn't have compared Bush to Hitler. Remember, Hitler ran Germany very well in the beginning. They had a good economy and were a thriving nation until he instituded the 'final solution'. Bush may be power hungry but I don't believe he would go that far.

[YNKYH8R]

Uh, no, that's wrong...The Senior Mr. Bush tried to remove Saddam from power and in the process took away a good amount of the power he had at that time. Clinton, tossed a few missles his way, that's it.
For 30+ years, no one had the 'jewels' to do anything about Saddam on a serious level...until George W. Bush.
I'm sick of hearing, 'No WMD's' So what? They were there and obviously removed and if nothing was done...do you honestly think that Saddam would have been a good boy for all time? Now way! He was building and building his power...for what means? because he wanted to take over the world-hense-a DICTATOR on the level of Hitler. A Madman...period.

The only reason he tried to remove Saddam from power was becuase Saddam stepped out of line. The Neo-Conservatives have been begging for a reason to go into Iraq and oust Saddam so they could have the strategic vantage point of the middle east.

You don't go from financing SH, to turning on him overnight without a reason. With the Soviet Union out of the way, Iraq was the only thing stopping the US from taking firm control of where all the power was, Iraq.

[grammy2_1]

You know, like I said...its over. The election is done. This rehashing will get us nowhere except aggrivated and annoyed with each other and none of us need or want that.
So, on that note, I am stepping out of this thread.
Be well all. :)

[YNKYH8R]

You know, like I said...its over. The election is done. This rehashing will get us nowhere except aggrivated and annoyed with each other and none of us need or want that.
So, on that note, I am stepping out of this thread.
Be well all. :)

This is exactly what happens, no one wants to face the possibilites. Why, because we are America, and we would never do such a thing, right? Unfortunately everything I've said seems to be too instep with what has happened in the past 20+ years.

[littlebuggy]

[QUOTE=erniemarie] I am truly afraid for my and my children's safety living in a world where a dictator with no care or concernm for anything but his own personal agenda is in control,[QUOTE]



Well, then I guess we should be glad that saddam is no longer in power.

[HAPPY1220]

I have nothing bad to say about President Bush, I am so glad he got re-elected.

[amysusi]

Amen! Well said!
I have said from the start of this...'If Kerry got in...there WOULD soon be another terrorist attack on the USA...why? Because history has proven that when it comes to military force and having the 'you know what's' to use it...the democrats are very weak in that area.' The entire world knows that to be true...including the terrorists and they would have jumped on the opportunity to attack, figuring the democratic president would not act/re-act in the way the republican president did!

Now, its over, for now...another election will come around...but now, we American's have to do what we've always done best...no matter the situation...COME TOGETHER, STAND TALL AND STAND UNITED! Regardless of the party we back! :)


Someone said this to me not too long ago, and it made alot of sense: We are over there fighting because that is where they will follow us. If the troops were pulled and brought home, they would follow us here for the fight.

I don't personally know anyone serving overseas, so I'm just going to say how I would feel. I might be wrong. But I would think that those serving in the Middle East would rather have Bush keep them there to finish. Our troops (and their families) put alot of time and sacrifice into helping a cause, and I would hate to have to see them leave and have it all crumble.

[erniemarie]

[QUOTE=erniemarie] I am truly afraid for my and my children's safety living in a world where a dictator with no care or concernm for anything but his own personal agenda is in control,[QUOTE]



Well, then I guess we should be glad that saddam is no longer in power.


yes but unfortunatly George W Bush is and is far more dangerous than Saddam ever was

[cleaningla]

I'm very worried about more attacks. :(

As long as you don't have the blood of innocents on your hands, I don't know what you have to worry about.

I live in Denver, not the countries largest city, but still pretty big. I've never been the least bit afraid of terrorist, but then I don't have the blood of innocent people on my hands.

[bribella]

I usually dont get involved in these threads.....but i couldnt hold it back lol How can you say that the President is as or more dangerous as Hitler or Saddam? I just don't get it. I voted for bush in 2000 and 2004 and i am glad he is still there. JMO and my .02

[Willow]

As long as you don't have the blood of innocents on your hands, I don't know what you have to worry about.

I live in Denver, not the countries largest city, but still pretty big. I've never been the least bit afraid of terrorist, but then I don't have the blood of innocent people on my hands.


I'm not sure what you mean by that but what I meant when I said that I was worried about more attacks is that I don't want my family or friends to get hurt because of the attacks. I live right in the middle of Boston and New York. Two likely places for it to happen.

[austinzmom]

I think this election was more about the moral issues than the war in Iraq. The election was won by voters who were concerned about the direction our country was going. Stem cell research, gay marriage, abortion etc. We are clearly a very divided nation. I do not see why so many are so irrational about the winning candidate. The world is still here, it will still be here four years from now. If people are so concerned about their children growing up in this country, then you have two options. Either stop having children or move them to another country altogether. Hitler was a madman, he was mentally ill, he killed innocent people to further his agenda. How exactly do you think Bush will mass murder our nation? As for the social services, they will all still be here, it will just be harder for slackers to obtain them. These programs were designed to help the truly needy, not as a means of support to keep you from getting a job and taking care of yourself and your family. People just need to calm down-everything will be ok :)

[redrig]

Regardless of who won or lost

IF YOU DIDN'T VOTE, YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN

Not saying that about anyone on these boards, but just in general. I know a few people that like to complain about the gov't, and yet they don't vote. The people I'm referring to are chronic non-voters and when they start to talk about how they don't like the current administration (at any point, not just GW's term of office) I ask "Who did you vote for?" and then the silence is deafening. You'd think they'd learn by now.

I think it's kind of funny that the Democrats spent all that money, time and "star" power on the Vote or Die campaign aimed at the 18-29 year olds...they registered to vote but they never showed up at the polls!!!!

I'm happy today :)

[EricsnKy]

I'm sick of hearing, 'No WMD's' So what? They were there and obviously removed and if nothing was done...do you honestly think that Saddam would have been a good boy for all time? Now way! He was building and building his power...for what means? because he wanted to take over the world-hense-a DICTATOR on the level of Hitler. A Madman...period.


So what ?!?! That was our WHOLE purpose for going to war with Iraq. The american people and our troops were mislead. The president lied about our reasoning for entering Iraq. Saddam had no WMD's, had not for some time, and had nothing to do with 9/11. But we have secured our oil reserves, after all thats what it is really all about.

[schsa]

This was a very close election. Although Kerry conceeded he still had a good number of votes. Bush did not walk away from this election without some battle scars. I know that there is a feeling that Bush has no idea what he is doing and he is letting others run the country and make decisions for him. I also feel that I will not leave this country but I will fight harder next time to get him out of office. He does not represent me or my values as an American.

[justme23]

Someone said this to me not too long ago, and it made alot of sense: We are over there fighting because that is where they will follow us. If the troops were pulled and brought home, they would follow us here for the fight.

I don't personally know anyone serving overseas, so I'm just going to say how I would feel. I might be wrong. But I would think that those serving in the Middle East would rather have Bush keep them there to finish. Our troops (and their families) put alot of time and sacrifice into helping a cause, and I would hate to have to see them leave and have it all crumble.

That IS how most of the military families feel... atleast they do here... ya, all they show on the news is the murder and mayham and the ppl who complain, so no one really knows the truth... but I DO have family over there and they would MUCH rather be there than worrying about what *could* happen here if they packed up and left.

[adorkablex]

If you think things were bad before, then watch out now, he no longer has to woory about reelection or public opinion, he now can become the dictator and tyrant he truly is and reak hall and havoc on the country with no fear of repruccusions, think the number of dead in Iraq is high now? wait four years it will be another Vietnam, think social security and medicaid and medicare is bad now wait for years they won't even exsist, think the dept is bad now just wait four years, I am truly afraid to live in a country where someone as dangerous as Adolf Hitler is freely given the power to reign as our leader, God help us all and save us from his terror, I for one am investigating Canadian citizenship, I would truly prefer to give up my American citizenship so I can raise my daughters in a place where they can be free and not live in fear for their lives and safety


ITA.
It'll be funny to see how the next 4 years turn out.

[adorkablex]

It makes no sense except that some people just have to have their tree to hug, their soapbox to mount and their whale to save...that they don't really care about the issue, they care only about HAVING an issue to complain about.


Nope.. no trees to hug because they've all been cut down. No whales to save because in the polluted muck that are our oceans not much can live. And no soapbox seeing as people nowadays weigh too much and would crush the box.

[Dolly<3]

I think this election was more about the moral issues than the war in Iraq.

I think just the opposite. I think the election went the way it did because people are scared. They're more concerned about the war than the issues, not that I can blame them. I was glad to see that so many other people voted for Kerry even in a time of false terror alerts and Republican propaganda.

Regardless of political biases, we have to come together and quit bickering. I personally don't want another civil war. This is still the best country in the world, which is heavily influenced by the citizens notwithstanding who is or isn't the president.

[andreame70]

Wow what a heated discussion!
I would just like to comment on erniemarie's posts. I will try to be as sympathetic to her feelings as possible and I do not intend to flame her for her feelings, however erniemarie, I think you are stressing over this election a lot more than is necessary. I have tried to figure out how you can say that George Bush is more dangerous than Saddam. I have never heard of any reports that stated that George Bush ordered any of his men to do such things as rape and pillage any of our American women, or kill their children. In their country, they never had the right to voice their opinion as to whether or not they agreed with Saddam's beliefs. If they didn't agree, they were killed. Saddam took pride in killing his own and loved the fear control that he had over the people in his country while he was their leader.

The fact that you are able to come here and vent your frustration over the election is a right you have under the first amendment of the constitution, given to you without prejudice as a United States Citizen. I for one am proud of the fact that I have that freedom and you should be too. It saddens me that you hold such contempt for anyone.

In closing, the only thing I can say is that I hope you can get a grip on your emotions and realize that just because Bush has made it back into office, it does not mean it is the end of the world. However, if you cannot seem to handle the results of this election then maybe a change of scenery would be best for you. Just remember that sometimes in hindsight, people find out too late that their grass was green enough.

Andrea

[dangerousfem]

I think just the opposite. I think the election went the way it did because people are scared. They're more concerned about the war than the issues, not that I can blame them. I was glad to see that so many other people voted for Kerry even in a time of false terror alerts and Republican propaganda.

Regardless of political biases, we have to come together and quit bickering. I personally don't want another civil war. This is still the best country in the world, which is heavily influenced by the citizens notwithstanding who is or isn't the president.


I have to agree with the other poster.. alot of this election was about moral issues.. just look at the 11 states that had same sex marriage issues on the ballots... I think that states it loud and clear

[cleaningla]

It should be interesting watching what the Islamic loonies and the Christian loonies do to each other for the next four years.

Wonder what life would be like if they totally erradicated each other. Peace on Earth?

[wndysfrnd]

I am SOOO happy with the election outcome. :D

[Red64]

I agree with JKat and Earnie......Too bad Canada is on the colder side. Maybe if I lose my house and am living in a cardboard box on the street it will seem more desirable......entirely possible with 4 more years of Bush. God help us all. I am truly sad and very afraid. Thank God a President can only be in office for 8 years. These people who voted for him are going to be truly sorry.
You'll see.

[Red64]

Oh yea.........War for no reason is SO moral. Hypocrits!! :mad:

[dangerousfem]

Oh yea.........War for no reason is SO moral. Hypocrits!! :mad:


Ya know.. so far we have keep this thread nice.. everyone just stating their opinions.. I really don't appreciate the name calling and hateful tone.. Lets try to act like adults and keep this thread open.

[Kyla Kym]

I would vote for Hilary in a heartbeat!!!!

And I agree 4 more years of scary stuff!!!!! :(
My thoughts exactly!

[Red64]

Oh yea, Danger? Is the truth Rude? I am sooooo sorry.

[Linus1223]

Regardless of who won or lost

IF YOU DIDN'T VOTE, YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN

Not saying that about anyone on these boards, but just in general. I know a few people that like to complain about the gov't, and yet they don't vote. The people I'm referring to are chronic non-voters and when they start to talk about how they don't like the current administration (at any point, not just GW's term of office) I ask "Who did you vote for?" and then the silence is deafening. You'd think they'd learn by now.

I think it's kind of funny that the Democrats spent all that money, time and "star" power on the Vote or Die campaign aimed at the 18-29 year olds...they registered to vote but they never showed up at the polls!!!!

I'm happy today :)
It may just be me, but I fail to see the humor in the lack of voter turnout in 18-24...They are the future leaders of America, after all.

And Vote or Die was P Diddy's thing...And Choose or Loose was an MTV campign...Both were non-partisan and had nothing to do with the Democratic funding. Just wanted to clear that up for you. :D

[dangerousfem]

Oh yea, Danger? Is the truth Rude? I am sooooo sorry.


Truth is stating facts.. not name calling... since you don't know me, you have no idea about my beliefs or if I am a hipocrite or not... so you have no facts to state, so you resort to name calling.

[adorkablex]

Truth is stating facts.. not name calling... since you don't know me, you have no idea about my beliefs or if I am a hipocrite or not... so you have no facts to state, so you resort to name calling.

She's being no more rude than Delsol was.

[Njean31]

well, this brain-washed Christian Looney hypocrite (all the names republicans have been called so far in this thread) is very happy today. now excuse me but i have to chant 5 secret prayers to Bush almighty and make out a check for benny hinn ministries :D

[Red64]

Ok Danger, you must have a guilt complex. Did I say that you personally were a hypocrite? I don't think so. Look, I can't help it if I am upset about this. People are dying out there, and the economy is pathetic. What good has come of all this? 4 more years of this is nothing to cheer about. You'll see.

[Njean31]

It may just be me, but I fail to see the humor in the lack of voter turnout in 18-24...They are the future leaders of America, after all.

And Vote or Die was P Diddy's thing...And Choose or Loose was an MTV campign...Both were non-partisan and had nothing to do with the Democratic funding. Just wanted to clear that up for you. :D


my 18 year old DD voted, but not for Kerry.

[delSol]

She's being no more rude than Delsol was.


would it of been better for me to say "oh, please don't go to canada, we'll let your guy be president, don't cry"

if she wants to leave, I wish her well - the same thing I have told my children about my house/rules

and btw, rude would of been "don't let the door hit you in the **tt on your way out"

[dangerousfem]

She's being no more rude than Delsol was.

sorry I didn't see her post... and yes it was rude.. had I seen it, I would have said the same thing.. but just because 1 person was rude doesn't mean we should have a free for all.... :rolleyes:

[adorkablex]

I think it's kind of funny that the Democrats spent all that money, time and "star" power on the Vote or Die campaign aimed at the 18-29 year olds...they registered to vote but they never showed up at the polls!!!!


I voted. I'm 18. I'm an 18 year old with a mind of my own. I'm one of a generation that will eventually rule your country. Who'll decide how your children and grandchildren are brought up. Maybe we won't be as big of screw ups as the older generation. At least Democrats care about young people. Republicans shrug us off like we're pests. And thank you very much.. in some parts of the country, young people were 20% of the vote. My generation is 10 times more open minded than my Mom's. And our voice is louder than you'd think.

[dangerousfem]

Ok Danger, you must have a guilt complex. Did I say that you personally were a hypocrite? I don't think so. Look, I can't help it if I am upset about this. People are dying out there, and the economy is pathetic. What good has come of all this? 4 more years of this is nothing to cheer about. You'll see.


considering you posted about the war being moral, right under my post about morals... it would be a little hard to miss that... as for a guile complex, not a bit.. I voted my conscience, and sleep very well..... Just would like to see this thread stay open and not resort to another bashing thread.... so we can agree to disagree......

[Red64]

We can agree to disagree but I will never agree with Blood for Oil and Profit. I will always make a lot of noise to protest this evil. Someone has to and I don't mind it being me. :mad:

[cavemtmomma]

I find it really interesting ,as I read through this thread I try to guess the posters general age. I have a s far as I know been pretty accurate. At the risk of sounding condecending I would like to know how many of the very young people here feel in ten or twenty years. It's a safe bet that their words now will embarress them then. I know that the younger folks will declare that I'm wrong, but I've been around for more than a few elections so I have the luxury of hindsight and I remember how my friends and I sounded then.

[YNKYH8R]

I would have to disagree, looking out over the last 20 years that the Republicans have been in power, eight by a democrate does not count, and of those 20 years 12 of which will be in control by the Neo-Conservatives, I'd have to say America is slowly spiralling downward. All empires fall it is just a matter of time.

So if the last 28 years were garbage, not including the eight for the dems, what should I expect from the evil empire from here on out? Look back and choke on my words? Hardly. I would not be surprised if there is a new vocabulary for the future: AMERICAN REFUGEE!

[EgHunny]

Im sorry, but this is JMO... But anyone who cannot control their kids should not be allowed to control our country... Especially for a second term.

[sahmsfreeb]

Im sorry, but this is JMO... But anyone who cannot control their kids should not be allowed to control our country... Especially for a second term.
taking that same theory about body parts....."because i could" mr. bill clinton.. it wasnt sex with monica while the cole was being bombed and the world trade center...

[adorkablex]

I find it really interesting ,as I read through this thread I try to guess the posters general age. I have a s far as I know been pretty accurate. At the risk of sounding condecending I would like to know how many of the very young people here feel in ten or twenty years. It's a safe bet that their words now will embarress them then. I know that the younger folks will declare that I'm wrong, but I've been around for more than a few elections so I have the luxury of hindsight and I remember how my friends and I sounded then.

You're right.. that is pretty condescending. Though to be honest, I couldn't really decipher all of it of the post.

I am not and never will be embarrassed that I have an opinion. And that I think EVERYONE is equal. And EVERYONE should have the exact same right as their neighbors.

[Njean31]

Im sorry, but this is JMO... But anyone who cannot control their kids should not be allowed to control our country... Especially for a second term.

i personally don't see where his kids are out of control. are they in trouble with the law? i have never heard anything bad on them other than in their late teens they partied :eek:

Wasn't too long ago someone posted a picture of john kerry's daughter at some film festival and you could see both breast and her panties clearly in her dress. wonder if she has any fun?

[adorkablex]

i personally don't see where his kids are out of control. are they in trouble with the law? i have never heard anything bad on them other than in their late teens they partied :eek:

Wasn't too long ago someone posted a picture of john kerry's daughter at some film festival and you could see both breast and her panties clearly in her dress. wonder if she has any fun?

Her dress wasn't see through on purpose. The camera lights made it so. Underaged drinking is a BIG NO NO.
Apples don't fall far from the trees.

[cleaningla]

i personally don't see where his kids are out of control. are they in trouble with the law? i have never heard anything bad on them other than in their late teens they partied :eek:

Wasn't too long ago someone posted a picture of john kerry's daughter at some film festival and you could see both breast and her panties clearly in her dress. wonder if she has any fun?

That doesn't seem like a Christian thing to say.

[stachowiak]

......Too bad Canada is on the colder side. Maybe if I lose my house and am living in a cardboard box on the street it will seem more desirable......entirely possible with 4 more years of Bush. God help us all. I am truly sad and very afraid. Thank God a President can only be in office for 8 years. These people who voted for him are going to be truly sorry.
You'll see.

ITA
:)

[Ga-PEACH]

Don't LET the door hit you on the way out!!! Give me a break, oh also there is something called a dictionary, perhaps you should invest time into studying that rather than spewing such nonsense. To know what Hitler was and to compare OUR President to him, well you should move. GOODBYE!!!


If you think things were bad before, then watch out now, he no longer has to woory about reelection or public opinion, he now can become the dictator and tyrant he truly is and reak hall and havoc on the country with no fear of repruccusions, think the number of dead in Iraq is high now? wait four years it will be another Vietnam, think social security and medicaid and medicare is bad now wait for years they won't even exsist, think the dept is bad now just wait four years, I am truly afraid to live in a country where someone as dangerous as Adolf Hitler is freely given the power to reign as our leader, God help us all and save us from his terror, I for one am investigating Canadian citizenship, I would truly prefer to give up my American citizenship so I can raise my daughters in a place where they can be free and not live in fear for their lives and safety

[adorkablex]

Don't LET the door hit you on the way out!!! Give me a break, oh also there is something called a dictionary, perhaps you should invest time into studying that rather than spewing such nonsense. To know what Hitler was and to compare OUR President to him, well you should move. GOODBYE!!!
She's not the only one who needs a dictionary. Maybe you should buy them in bulk and pass them out to your political party?

[delSol]

OMG people -both sides are out of control

[amysusi]

It's pretty sad people have to be so intolerant. Bush won. Kerry is not out there calling him names. That's because he has class. Seriously, if you're so afraid of having Bush for another 4 years, there is nothing forcing you to stay.

[cavemtmomma]

Seems to me that in another post that you said you are 28. That means that when you look bAck over the last twenty years you are either reading history or listening to others recollections to a large degree. Or you were a very precocious eight year old. Thats not to say your opinions don't count but they aren't shaped the way older peoples opinions are. When you are living through times as an adult you see it differently. To you eight years of a democratic presidency doesn't count. I see those eight years as being a tremendous low point for our country. Between the over the top immorality, his impeachment, his disbarrment, his "religous mentor" Jesse that was also having an affair and even his wifes health care plan. I found it all a huge embarressment to our nation. His eight that "does not count" lowered the standards of some in our country. From the it depends on what Is is to the disgusting blue dress. As some posters have previously opined, I too believe that this election was about Americas Judeo-Christian morality, and the desire that many of us have to see it return.

[Ga-PEACH]

NO OFFENSE INTENDED HERE, BUT... Um Hello..... democrats, Care about the youth?? Please, they pushed the youth for votes, because the youth do not really know any better, I mean some of the youths who did vote for Kerry got their info. from Eminem and P. Diddy. The fact of the matter is that democrats as "Caring" as you say they are, only wanted your vote. Do not let anyone fool you. You are still so young, but have alot to learn. I am sure all of the garbage Eminem and P. Diddy spewed to you guys about voting for Kerry was impressive to a bunch of impressionable youths, but it did not get Kerry elected now did it??



I voted. I'm 18. I'm an 18 year old with a mind of my own. I'm one of a generation that will eventually rule your country. Who'll decide how your children and grandchildren are brought up. Maybe we won't be as big of screw ups as the older generation. At least Democrats care about young people. Republicans shrug us off like we're pests. And thank you very much.. in some parts of the country, young people were 20% of the vote. My generation is 10 times more open minded than my Mom's. And our voice is louder than you'd think.

[grammy2_1]

OK...wait a minute...all I see here is the democrats name calling at the republicans and being rude and ya know, I have to say, it doesn't surprise me, because only yesterday, I got into a heated argument with my sister over Bush vs. Kerry. My own sister and she called me, my older sons and all other Republican's low class, ignorant and can't think for ourselves. She put down my Faith, my religion, my GOD, my beliefs, my morals and everything she possible could think of...all because my opinion differs from hers!!! I could hear such hatred in her voice!! It was scary!
So calmly I said to her (and I also say the same to those of the same mindset here)...'My God, can you hear yourself? All you have done is vicious name-calling and slandering, you have made fun of another's beliefs, my birthright as an American to form, have and speak my own opinion, the same as you are afforded...yet, not once have I stooped to the low level of such vicious name calling and utter hatred towards anyone else...so if that's the difference in being a Democrat and being a Republican...than I have never been more proud to say-I AM A REPUBLICAN!'

And you know what...she paused and I guess she heard me and understood where I was coming from, because I told her I was ending the topic here and now, and we both said no matter our individual opinions, that we loved each other. And the funny thing is, that had Kerry won, she would have already called me to gloat...and yet, Bush won and I haven't and won't pick up the phone to do that to her.
Say what you will, but in all I've seen, in here and as of late everywhere, we, the Republican's are far more a gentle people than the Democrats. Why must the Dems resort to the ugly name calling and fling the hatred and venom with such force and malice? My own sister too...if that doesn't prove this point, I don't know what will.

[Ga-PEACH]

Whhhaaaa, what a baby. How infantile the left liberal party is. My words were all spelled right. Now if you can not take the heat get out of the kitchen, but lets not get infantile.


She's not the only one who needs a dictionary. Maybe you should buy them in bulk and pass them out to your political party?

[Ga-PEACH]

My point exactly!!!


OK...wait a minute...all I see here is the democrats name calling at the republicans and being rude and ya know, I have to say, it doesn't surprise me, because only yesterday, I got into a heated argument with my sister over Bush vs. Kerry. My own sister and she called me, my older sons and all other Republican's low class, ignorant and can't think for ourselves. She put down my Faith, my religion, my GOD, my beliefs, my morals and everything she possible could think of...all because my opinion differs from hers!!! I could hear such hatred in her voice!! It was scary!
So calmly I said to her (and I also say the same to those of the same mindset here)...'My God, can you hear yourself? All you have done is vicious name-calling and slandering, you have made fun of another's beliefs, my birthright as an American to form, have and speak my own opinion, the same as you are afforded...yet, not once have I stooped to the low level of such vicious name calling and utter hatred towards anyone else...so if that's the difference in being a Democrat and being a Republican...than I have never been more proud to say-I AM A REPUBLICAN!'

And you know what...she paused and I guess she heard me and understood where I was coming from, because I told her I was ending the topic here and now, and we both said no matter our individual opinions, that we loved each other. And the funny thing is, that had Kerry won, she would have already called me to gloat...and yet, Bush won and I haven't and won't pick up the phone to do that to her.
Say what you will, but in all I've seen, in here and as of late everywhere, we, the Republican's are far more a gentle people than the Democrats. Why must the Dems resort to the ugly name calling and fling the hatred and venom with such force and malice? My own sister too...if that doesn't prove this point, I don't know what will.

[Tasha405]

Wow, why is everyone being so rude and mean? Why argue with people just because they don't think or see things the same way as you? State your opinion and leave others to do the same without all of the bashing, bickering and name calling.

Its nice to have a good debate over things at times but man oh man, calm down yall.

No I'm not talking to just one person, I'm talking to everyone. :p LOL

[YNKYH8R]

Seems to me that in another post that you said you are 28. That means that when you look bAck over the last twenty years you are either reading history or listening to others recollections to a large degree. Or you were a very precocious eight year old. Thats not to say your opinions don't count but they aren't shaped the way older peoples opinions are. When you are living through times as an adult you see it differently. To you eight years of a democratic presidency doesn't count. I see those eight years as being a tremendous low point for our country. Between the over the top immorality, his impeachment, his disbarrment, his "religous mentor" Jesse that was also having an affair and even his wifes health care plan. I found it all a huge embarressment to our nation. His eight that "does not count" lowered the standards of some in our country. From the it depends on what Is is to the disgusting blue dress. As some posters have previously opined, I too believe that this election was about Americas Judeo-Christian morality, and the desire that many of us have to see it return.
The eight years, IMO, are not about immorality. That exists everywhere, no matter who sits in the center square.
I mean that Clinton did not jive with the Republicans push to increase military spending, they way they wanted it done therefore expanding the evil empire.

[sahmsfreeb]

OK...wait a minute...all I see here is the democrats name calling at the republicans and being rude and ya know, I have to say, it doesn't surprise me, because only yesterday, I got into a heated argument with my sister over Bush vs. Kerry. My own sister and she called me, my older sons and all other Republican's low class, ignorant and can't think for ourselves. She put down my Faith, my religion, my GOD, my beliefs, my morals and everything she possible could think of...all because my opinion differs from hers!!! I could hear such hatred in her voice!! It was scary!
So calmly I said to her (and I also say the same to those of the same mindset here)...'My God, can you hear yourself? All you have done is vicious name-calling and slandering, you have made fun of another's beliefs, my birthright as an American to form, have and speak my own opinion, the same as you are afforded...yet, not once have I stooped to the low level of such vicious name calling and utter hatred towards anyone else...so if that's the difference in being a Democrat and being a Republican...than I have never been more proud to say-I AM A REPUBLICAN!'

And you know what...she paused and I guess she heard me and understood where I was coming from, because I told her I was ending the topic here and now, and we both said no matter our individual opinions, that we loved each other. And the funny thing is, that had Kerry won, she would have already called me to gloat...and yet, Bush won and I haven't and won't pick up the phone to do that to her.
Say what you will, but in all I've seen, in here and as of late everywhere, we, the Republican's are far more a gentle people than the Democrats. Why must the Dems resort to the ugly name calling and fling the hatred and venom with such force and malice? My own sister too...if that doesn't prove this point, I don't know what will.



ITA!
not one kerry supporter has posted AT ALL MIND YOU a "congrats"... or a "job well done"... or a "good race but well getcha in 2008 :p :) "...



it has all been nasty...

[YNKYH8R]

Wow, why is everyone being so rude and mean? Why argue with people just because they don't think or see things the same way as you? State your opinion and leave others to do the same without all of the bashing, bickering and name calling.

Its nice to have a good debate over things at times but man oh man, calm down yall.

No I'm not talking to just one person, I'm talking to everyone. :p LOL

For the record I'm not name calling. :)

[Jaidness]

i personally don't see where his kids are out of control. are they in trouble with the law? i have never heard anything bad on them other than in their late teens they partied
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/01/29/noelle-bush.htm

from the above article: The arrest echoed similar high-profile family struggles, from the recent marijuana abuse by England's Prince Harry to underage drinking by President Bush's twin daughters. In May, Jenna Bush was charged with using a fake ID to try to buy a margarita, and her sister Barbara was charged with underage drinking.

The twins performed community service, attended alcohol-awareness classes and paid $100 fines. The charges were dropped. A second drinking episode for Jenna Bush brought a $500 fine and a license suspension.

heres George P Bushs B&E
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/georgep1.html

this is the presidents DUI
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdui1.html


heres Cheneys TWO DWIs
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html

and off topic here...who is Rumsfield?

[Tasha405]

For the record I'm not name calling. :)Ok. :p LOL :D

[YNKYH8R]

ITA!
not one kerry supporter has posted AT ALL MIND YOU a "congrats"... or a "job well done"... or a "good race but well getcha in 2008 :p :) "...



it has all been nasty...

Congratulations... :D

[cavemtmomma]

Now you know why I NEVER criticize anyones spelling! LOL! It's Donald Rumsfeld the secratary of defense.

[YNKYH8R]

ITA!
not one kerry supporter has posted AT ALL MIND YOU a "congrats"... or a "job well done"... or a "good race but well getcha in 2008 :p :) "...



it has all been nasty...

Duplicate post... :o

[Njean31]

That doesn't seem like a Christian thing to say.

:confused: thanks for judging me

[delSol]

who wants to give me some more information and we can do a background check on your family? I bet your address is not on Walton Mountain...

[Njean31]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/01/29/noelle-bush.htm

from the above article: The arrest echoed similar high-profile family struggles, from the recent marijuana abuse by England's Prince Harry to underage drinking by President Bush's twin daughters. In May, Jenna Bush was charged with using a fake ID to try to buy a margarita, and her sister Barbara was charged with underage drinking.

The twins performed community service, attended alcohol-awareness classes and paid $100 fines. The charges were dropped. A second drinking episode for Jenna Bush brought a $500 fine and a license suspension.

heres George P Bushs B&E
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/georgep1.html

this is the presidents DUI
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdui1.html


heres Cheneys TWO DWIs
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html

and off topic here...who is Rumsfield?

so one of them has been charged with underage drinking? and she is out of control???? and this is a good reason he is unfit to run the country?

[IMtightwad]

I voted. I'm 18. I'm an 18 year old with a mind of my own. I'm one of a generation that will eventually rule your country. Who'll decide how your children and grandchildren are brought up. Maybe we won't be as big of screw ups as the older generation. At least Democrats care about young people. Republicans shrug us off like we're pests. And thank you very much.. in some parts of the country, young people were 20% of the vote. My generation is 10 times more open minded than my Mom's. And our voice is louder than you'd think.

I am very glad there are people like you.

Also, republicans can say all they want about celebrities not being the ones to tell the younger people what to do, but at least the Democratic party is encouraging young people to vote.

I encouraged a lot of younger people to vote. Unfortunately, a lot of them voted based on what their parents thought instead of watching the debates and doing their own research and thinking for themselves. Which I might have done at 18, if I had voted then. Now that I am older, I read a lot.

And whether or not you agree with one another I am glad more people were interested in voting this time around.

So please stop the name calling and the whining about spelling. I think we are all better than that.

[sahmsfreeb]

Duplicate post... :o


SEEEE!!! you were ment to say congrats again! lol...




okay how about this...


we gave you the world series...
you give us bush for 4 more years..


fair trade..... :p :p ;) :D

[JKATHERINE]

please post the pics of you new place


That was really rude. You dont' have to be a jerk, she wasn't.

[YNKYH8R]

SEEEE!!! you were ment to say congrats again! lol...




okay how about this...


we gave you the world series...
you give us bush for 4 more years..


fair trade..... :p :p ;) :D
You gave us the World Series? Your team never showed up. ;)

[delSol]

That was really rude. You dont' have to be a jerk, she wasn't.

I'm rude...

[1tiredmom]

well listening to a lot of this -ther is nothing anybody can do unless we do that thing that you do to get 'em out-i could not do the job nor have the patience (just like a teacher or coach can't do that either)-but he is our leader and will be for four more years-i have just come to think of it as being entertained for four more years --flame away-
didn't read all seven pages but the ones i have read -the people have spoken

[sahmsfreeb]

You gave us the World Series? Your team never showed up. ;)


LOL TRUE SOOO TRUE!!!


i would swear they were on mind numbing drugs...(now a nasty person would ay the red sox were on steroids..:p) i have never seen the yankees screw up as badly as they did... even JETER said they screwed up...


so by us loosing... lol.. the sox won... :D :D

[JKATHERINE]

I voted. I'm 18. I'm an 18 year old with a mind of my own. I'm one of a generation that will eventually rule your country. Who'll decide how your children and grandchildren are brought up. Maybe we won't be as big of screw ups as the older generation. At least Democrats care about young people. Republicans shrug us off like we're pests. And thank you very much.. in some parts of the country, young people were 20% of the vote. My generation is 10 times more open minded than my Mom's. And our voice is louder than you'd think.

THANK YOU!

[IMtightwad]

ITA!
not one kerry supporter has posted AT ALL MIND YOU a "congrats"... or a "job well done"... or a "good race but well getcha in 2008 :p :) "...



it has all been nasty...

Well. I don't think I'll ever say "Congrats" or "job well done". I don't want to celebrate the fact that he managed to brain wash half of the country. Bush won. No need to rub it in or make us feel like we have to say "congrats". I have enough class not to fight it. But I do have enough morals not to lie and say something I don't mean.

I can say "Congrats to another 4 years of making us all poor (except the few that are already rich and seem well protected) and fighting a war we should have never started."

I can say "good race" though. It seemed to be neck and neck and made me bite my nails the whole night.

[JKATHERINE]

Seems to me that in another post that you said you are 28. That means that when you look bAck over the last twenty years you are either reading history or listening to others recollections to a large degree. Or you were a very precocious eight year old. Thats not to say your opinions don't count but they aren't shaped the way older peoples opinions are. When you are living through times as an adult you see it differently. To you eight years of a democratic presidency doesn't count. I see those eight years as being a tremendous low point for our country. Between the over the top immorality, his impeachment, his disbarrment, his "religous mentor" Jesse that was also having an affair and even his wifes health care plan. I found it all a huge embarressment to our nation. His eight that "does not count" lowered the standards of some in our country. From the it depends on what Is is to the disgusting blue dress. As some posters have previously opined, I too believe that this election was about Americas Judeo-Christian morality, and the desire that many of us have to see it return.

You know, we really shouldn't get into the 'age' thing here...there are a lot of people that are your age are typically tight-butted, ultra-conservative, close-minded, intolerant jerks who are extremely resistant to change and growth*. I have a lot of relatives (45-60) that used to fit in that category. Luckily some of them have taken the time to educate themselves and open their hearts and minds to the many other possibilities there are in our world. Things don't have to stay the same. Change and growth is good. As far as the 'moral' issues, how on Earth does it hurt you (the general you) if your next door neighbors are gay? LIFE IS TOO SHORT, people, to care about how others live their lives and who they happen to love. Just feel good about how you live yours. I swear, we'd have a much more peaceful, happy nation if people would just take the sticks out of their butts and mind their own business when it comes to issues that do not concern them.

*Obviously not ALL people in this age range fit this description...and moreso, they are usually conservatives. This is a generalization, not an attack on any member here.

[dangerousfem]

I don't want to celebrate the fact that he managed to brain wash half of the country.


so because we have a different opinion than you we are brainwashed :confused:

all 59,018,938 of us?

[IMtightwad]

so because we have a different opinion than you we are brainwashed :confused:

all 59,018,938 of us?

No, not because you think differently that I do. Because you voted for Bush.




P.S. Whomever it was that was saying they were thinking of moving to Canada. I know how you feel. This country is going down the crapper real fast and my husband & I were talking about our options this morning.

[sahmsfreeb]

Mooooooooooo






:d ;)

[dangerousfem]

No, not because you think differently that I do. Because you voted for Bush.




P.S. Whomever it was that was saying they were thinking of moving to Canada. I know how you feel. This country is going down the crapper real fast and my husband & I were talking about our options this morning.

That is the same thing.. we voted for Bush because our opinions differ from yours... simple as that.... sorry.. but that many people brainwashed?? Bush is more powerful than I thought.. LOL...

[delSol]

Mooooooooooo






:d ;)

and I'm still the rude one...hahaha

[adorkablex]

NO OFFENSE INTENDED HERE, BUT... Um Hello..... democrats, Care about the youth?? Please, they pushed the youth for votes, because the youth do not really know any better, I mean some of the youths who did vote for Kerry got their info. from Eminem and P. Diddy. The fact of the matter is that democrats as "Caring" as you say they are, only wanted your vote. Do not let anyone fool you. You are still so young, but have alot to learn. I am sure all of the garbage Eminem and P. Diddy spewed to you guys about voting for Kerry was impressive to a bunch of impressionable youths, but it did not get Kerry elected now did it??

My first instinct is to say something that would most definitly get me banned. I'll just say that NO ONE made me vote one way or another. I just happen to care about people. ALL PEOPLE. Not just people who are of the same religious values as I am. You guys seriously underestimate the youth of today. Do you really think your children such little idiots that they can't make up their own minds on who to vote for? WHO CARES who got someone to vote??? As long as they vote. Kerry didn't get elected because of all the people who consider themselves a member of the moral police. They think they have the right to tell EVERYONE what and how to do something.

[sahmsfreeb]

and I'm still the rude one...hahaha

well if i am brainwashed then i will spend the rest of the day mooing...
during the news and at dinnertime with my familyi will moo out the brainwashed information i have been brainwashed with....


so my answer to LIFE THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING will be


mooooooooooooooooooooooo

pthpppp :p :D


ooo ooo ooo im also at 999 post... am i the upsidedown 666? bbl must check under my hair... cause i did vote for hitler and the damnation of our nation... mooo mooo mooo

[adorkablex]

who wants to give me some more information and we can do a background check on your family? I bet your address is not on Walton Mountain...

What do you want to know? Feel free to PM me I'll be happy to answer any questions.

[cavemtmomma]

You know, we really shouldn't get into the 'age' thing here...there are a lot of people that are your age are typically tight-butted, ultra-conservative, close-minded, intolerant jerks who are extremely resistant to change and growth*. I have a lot of relatives (45-60) that used to fit in that category. Luckily some of them have taken the time to educate themselves and open their hearts and minds to the many other possibilities there are in our world. Things don't have to stay the same. Change and growth is good. As far as the 'moral' issues, how on Earth does it hurt you (the general you) if your next door neighbors are gay? LIFE IS TOO SHORT, people, to care about how others live their lives and who they happen to love. Just feel good about how you live yours. I swear, we'd have a much more peaceful, happy nation if people would just take the sticks out of their butts and mind their own business when it comes to issues that do not concern them.

*Obviously not ALL people in this age range fit this description...and moreso, they are usually conservatives. This is a generalization, not an attack on any member here.


And this is your example of your young open mind???? My observation on age differences was about how most young people are very liberal and seldom gracious in expressing their opinions. When your young you think you know much more than you actually do. This allows a certain arrogance, until you get older and find out the world is much more complicated and nuanced than you knew. It doesn't matter to me who my neighbor sleeps with, it does matter to me how my nation views the institution of Holy Matrimony. The idea of live and let live sounds well and good but in practise it seldom works. Our nation is about liberty not liscense. I would never support a law that would make homosexuality illegal and I would never support a law that would elevate a homosexual relationship to the status of marriage. I would support a legal partnership, but not marriage. And apparently quite a few "typically tight-butted, ultra-conservative, close-minded, intolerant jerks who are extremely resistant to change and growth*" agree with me even here in very liberal Oregon. What you see as growth I see as moral decline and not just in the marriage issue but in very many areas of our society. Personal responsibility has almost vanished, as more and more people want a "nanny state" to meet all their needs. Free healthcare for everyone, to heck with who pays for it. I'm from the baby boomers and we wrote the book on what not to do. Plenty of sex plenty of drugs, the me decade was our doing. And it's from this perspective of age that I form my opinions now. Some peoples minds are so open that their brains have leaked out. This isn't aimed at at you JK, this is a general statement.

[adorkablex]

Whhhaaaa, what a baby. How infantile the left liberal party is. My words were all spelled right. Now if you can not take the heat get out of the kitchen, but lets not get infantile.

Sweetie I wasn't talking about you. I was commenting on what you said. You brought up the spelling and grammar. I merely was pointing out the fact that she's not the only one who couldn't spell if their lives depended on it.

Funny people don't remember what paragraphs are either. :D

[buglebe]

I think the way the thoughts were expressed in this thread are shameful.
Obviously we wouldn't have an election if we all felt the same way. We all based our vote on different things. I didn't base mine on religious convictions, I based mine on the economy. The man I thought was the best for the job didn't win. And I do think our president acts like a spoiled child sometimes.
I can't change the election results and I am very very fearful for my country but I have to believe that the half of you who think Bush is doing a good job are right. I do hope Bush can hold it together for 4 more years and not damage our country more than he has. But I do have faith in God that our leader will lead and that we can hold our heads high for 4 more years.

[dangerousfem]

Some peoples minds are so open that their brains have leaked out.


:D Oh man I love this statement!!!

[cavemtmomma]

If anybody is seriously considering moving to Canada, I can direct you to several websites where people are offering cash and help in moving to those that want to go. Can't vouch for the sincerity of the offers, but I certainly understand their reasoning. I believe one of these people said something about it being the equvalent of chlorine in the American gene pool. Their words, not mine.