Employer/employee Advice

[catdance]

Here is the deal, I have run an ad, in the Sunday paper, the last time I wrote about this it was in another link, so I didn't put "available" to my SMART BBS family..
In the Sunday paper I have run an ad for a dishwasher, I am weirded out, that I have had 60 call's, I knew I should never have listed the number, but well, I didn't think I would have this many people answering..ok boils down, 43 applications..some people don't have any job and just applied, some actual dishwasher's, but at this account, we have to have everyone candidate speaking fluent English, not my rule, no flaming, please, not in my control..that takes out half..I have settled on 2 people...Number one: has great background, is not employed, but can do the job..not that this really matter's, he was dressed poorly and I am sure he hadn't washed his hair, maybe I am wrong.
Number two: is a man in his 40's and lost his job to 9-11 and is out of UnEmployment benefits, dressed wisely and has no real income and has 2 boy's to support.
Both men checked out in background check's..fine, but I have the feeling to invite number two to work with us, he does have a banking background, we often are short cashiers, but number one, has a "better physic" this means part of this job is to put away all the food and such...not an easy task.
Number one has money, he told me, and lives with his parents...number two is barely making it.
Number one had missed several days at his old job, but that isn't something that is fair to ask these days, I didn't, it was told to me and can't be applied,(but he was beloved).. here we can ask 3 questions..number two references begged me to take a great guy who missed no work, except when his kids had strep, and he was employed 7 years.
Number one is the best, number two is and isn't..
I don't have the luxury of a long training, number one can do this in 15 minutes, number two, way longer.. $8.25 an hour is the money available..seem's obvious and yet not..
HELP ME!!!

[dobiesnj]

Definitely go with #2.....I'll bet anything that he'll pick up the job 1-2-3. Plus, he needs the job and the money more than the first guy and he sounds much more stable.

[Elijah'sMommy]

I'd say #2. Out of probably stereotyping on my part. A guy who lives with his parents doesn't have much of an incentive to come to work since what does it matter if he misses a day's pay here or there. #2 as you have already said, will be there everyday. As far as his physical health, I'm sure he feels he can do the job, otherwise, he wouldn't have applied. Good luck,hon!

[Kelsey1224]

I say #2 as well. Who will be the best overall match for the job...not just taking into consideration existing training.

I would be hesitant to hire someone who "had money and lived with his parents", but who couldn't be bothered to clean up for a job interview. I have a motto..."Neatness counts!"

I would rather hire someone who needs a little training, but who could be versatile and obviously responsible.

Good luck with your decision.

[DivineMsDi]

I agree with the above posters...

Also, if the guy (#2) is willing to wash dishes with a banking backround, he is a hustler and willing to do anything to feed his family.

Good luck with who ever you choose.

[iluvmybaby]

:cool: When I was a dishwasher minimum wage was $5.00, I will take the job for $8.50, where do I apply? Employee # 2 is trying to make ends meet by getting an honest job, sure it might not be banking but it is better then welfare :o I dont think he is a hustler, I have flipped burgers and worked at a job where I was making $9 an hour, big difference, but if my family was hungry I would be out applying for every and any job

So am I hired???

[gonnascream]

#2. He's got more depending on him, so you know he will be stable. Plus I think his friday party nights are over

[buglebe]

Without any doubt #2. Good luck and congratulations on what I think will be a great employee.

[suziebee20]

Going by what I've been taught in my business class, number two sounds like a better canidate despite needing some training. The fact number one missed days on his old job combined with the fact that he came in poorly dressed- if the situation is that he doesn't have money, he should have at least showered and borrowed something if at all possible- at the interview kinds of gives me the impression that this job isn't really important to him and also I get the vibe that he may not put as much pride into the job. I see number one can put away food. Not sure exactly what that means, but if this guy didn't wash his hair for an interview- the part where you are supposed to make a good FIRST impression to a prospective employer- would he have better hygine if he worked there and clean up before work? I don't think I personally would want him around food. No offense, not trying to be rude, but someone who doesn't shower well before an interview also seems to me like someone who doesn't wash their hands after using the restroom. :eek: Just my thoughts though... he may have been pressed for time or something.

[queenangie]

#2 is my vote.
Had a good 1st impression, clean cut, clean body (around food!),willing to learn,
incentive is that he has kids to feed, solid last job for 7 years w/ a good record.

He has other background skills that can assist w/ other positions as needed,
which means he will be able to crosstrain to other areas.

Go for #2.

[EricsnKy]

Isn't it illegal to consider factors such as how many children someone has and if an applicant lives with their parents when considering them for employment ? I'm not trying to sound rude here, but be careful. You're actions show discrimination, at least borderlining it !

Factors which should be considered, and probably can be considered when hiring:

Job History, Experience, Job Stability, Attitude/Personality

Things you CANNOT consider when hiring :

Number of children, Own Home/Living with Parents, Age, Etc

Regardless good luck in your hiring endeavor ! :D

[andreame70]

Isn't it illegal to consider factors such as how many children someone has and if an applicant lives with their parents when considering them for employment ? I'm not trying to sound rude here, but be careful. You're actions show discrimination, at least borderlining it !



Actually, no it is not discrimination at all. According to the Federal guidelines of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), when applying for a job, it is illegal for an employer to discriminate against you because of race, color, sex, religion, national origin, age, or disability.

Andrea

[EricsnKy]

Hmmm... Good than I suppose. Still somehow seems wrong to me :confused: Oh well ! :D

[twinkiesmom]

I would say number one seems like a risk to me. Sure he can probably do the job, but if he has a history of missing work, he won't be doing the job if he's not there to do it, will he?

[thedragonlady]

I would wonder what happened to cause the banker to apply as a dish washer. Why not in another bank or a check cashing place or a grocery store. There are a lot of jobs he would be qualified for besides dish washing.

[YankeeMary]

I would wonder what happened to cause the banker to apply as a dish washer. Why not in another bank or a check cashing place or a grocery store. There are a lot of jobs he would be qualified for besides dish washing.


If my DH wasn't in the same boat as the banker I would agree with you. But the effects of 9/11 hit people with more than emotion and tragidy. My DH was in telecommunications, he has been employed with the same company for 20 years. He started as an installer and workedhis way to the top and made really great money. Then 9/11 happened, there were hundreds and hundreds of of layoffs and things aren't any better. We still have bills to pay and need food to eat, so DH has taken a job at walmart with hopes that something else opens soon. I think the banker should be hired, based soley on integrity. It takes alot for a man (or woman) to step down and take a job "beneath" their training and education, just to bring home a paycheck and support their family. Says alotabout their character and values. That is definatly someone I would want working for me.
My DH qualifies for other jobs besides walmart, but "the good" jobs just aren't there. And tobe honest, $8.50 an hour to wash dishes is probably more than his local walmart would hire the guy for. Our Walmart, hires at more than $8.50 an hour thats why DH went there.

[DivineMsDi]

ITA Yankee Mary....

I stand by what I said. The guy IS a hustler. He is willing to do something to feed his family and not standing around whining how he had experience in banking and should do something better.

It is sort of hard to admit you have to do a job that is "below" your training and experience, especially for someone supporting his kids. $8.50 might be "a lot" in some places, but here it is nothing...it is not enough for a family to live on...

[MamaFairal]

SO who got the job???

[andreame70]

I agree that #2 is a go-getter, do what you have to do for your family kind of guy.
DivineMsDi, a lot of people think of a "hustler" as someone that is engaged in deception or fraud. It just happens to be one of those words that has several different meanings. Strange how one word can mean two totally opposite things.

Andrea

[1tiredmom]

i'd take a chance on number 2 -number 1 just like all the others said he missed days at his last job-could you ask him how lonfg employed there -i know you can't ask certain questions but checking background it would be alright to ask former employer if he came back to you -would you rehire him for anything? if he was any good they would find something for him I think ---jmo

[DivineMsDi]

I agree that #2 is a go-getter, do what you have to do for your family kind of guy.
DivineMsDi, a lot of people think of a "hustler" as someone that is engaged in deception or fraud. It just happens to be one of those words that has several different meanings. Strange how one word can mean two totally opposite things.

Andrea
You know, you are right....maybe here in NY we use it in the baseball sense....as in he hustled to home plate.

I know about the other one....lol...plenty of those here in NY, too! :eek:

Anyhow, I hope the best guy gets the job!!! :)

[catdance]

TA DA!!! Number two has accepted this position, and this is why I wrote all the facts to you guys..no one knew the way I was FEELING, and number one didn't pass his background check per OUR standard's, he has a " problem", and was written in the appilcation and release of info if "anything there' had occured, and which I can only write here, we can't have that, and in the guidelines, we don't hire people with certain background issues, and we are going to have the number two, an Employee now, also do computer book-keeping at a higher rate as my GM is SWAMPED..and to clear things up, here in Minnesota, the WANT ADS used to be huge before 9/11 and since and Sunday is the worst day, really depressing, is like 2 small sections...I didn't have to base this on anything after the required background checks came back, so I thank all of you for reading and your suggestions and warnings, in this case I wanted to "check" your guy's thoughts as I am in the process of moving and working and alone now..

[iluvmybaby]

:( AWWW I didnt get the job , j/k. I am glad #2 got the job it sounded like he really needed it for his sake and for his family, number 1 had "problems" written all over him, first he lives with his family and cant show up on time to any of his previous jobs with a sketchy background, BIG problems

[Elijah'sMommy]

Good for you, Cat. Now you don't have to try to explain you "gut-reaction" to anyone. And how cool that he will be getting more $$ to do work that is in line with his expertise!

[catdance]

what is crazy about that one, he knew soo many program's scared us..but the deposits, were correct, and you never saw a more grateful guy..he get $11.00 for that work and well should, in a breeze really 2 days, accounted and right, we did do the right thing and wait for the background checks..

[catdance]

What did happen to the NOW employee, his wife was into gambling and turn's out she had been in the news,( and we were like "DANG" that was her??) and owes her company alot and is in jail for it..and as stated, 2 kid's and his problem, some of her money, is returned to him, but face this 2 kids, got to eat and selling a house , the State took alot and fighting for his rights.. not much and the State has taken some "heed" on him, we only helped, by employing him, she was factually found, and we know this now, taking money that wasn't her's at all, a TRUST Fund..he expained this, so good for him, we will now, after 90 days, put him in a position that makes quite a bit, in the Corperate Office..and he has checked out, through and through, I think he was so low, he would try anything..we have crazy way's to figure things out, my company is huge!! I get a bonus for it, no problem thinking this was a great LUCK..he ws very honest, and kind and NOT a SCAM..a LOW point for him, and here he was..as so were WE!!!
YIPPEEE!
This is the type of guy who might ring a doorbell at your house to ask for a phone, and somehow you would feel, "OK" about it and you don't KNOW why..
Everyone deserves a "shot"..even you..you never know when "LUCK" show's up, and I admit I have "EATEN CROW" before, but this guy is the deal..
If it turn's out I am wrong..I will ask for KETCHUP, to CHOKE it down..

[queenangie]

Glad to hear your end results!

I was driving home from work today, and your story
popped into my brain. I was wondering which one
you actually hired.

I'm glad you went with #2! Looks like a 'feather in your managerial cap,'
not eating crow, to me.