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janelle
09-07-2004, 10:27 PM
Charlotte Hays from Beliefnet
September 7, 2004 | 4:30 p.m.

Who dares to look into the abyss? The slaughter of innocents in Beslan was so shocking that even the most relentlessly enlightened among us must be having a difficult time thinking of the killers as "freedom fighters" or "insurgents."

The death toll of children at Beslan is more than 150. Some of the children were taken hostage when they arrived for their first day of school and had explosives strapped onto the bodies before they were eventually slaughtered. The monsters refused them water or food.
As the Wall Street Journal noted in an editorial "on the unique depravity of modern Islamic terror": "It's hard to fathom now--with the images of Russian children in body bags scorched into our memories--but when the history of the war on terror is written, last week may go down as a turning point."

It's only a minority of Muslims who embrace this kind of terrorism. But it's still not easy to talk about the relationship of Islam to these horrific acts of terror, as much as we need to. Writes Dennis Prager:

"The truth is that everyone with a conscience has questions about Muslims and Islam. But the most powerful religion in America, the religion of tolerance, has rendered it almost impossible to ask any such questions. Most people are so afraid of being branded intolerant that the most natural and goodhearted questions are only posed by the handful who have the courage to do so (usually conservative Christians)."

Prager continues:

"It is, of course, only a minority of Muslims that engages in such horrors, but it is only Muslims who are doing all these things. Christians aren't--even among Palestinians, there are no Christian terrorists. Jews aren't--and when one Jew did deliberately kill innocent Palestinians in 1994, the rest of the Jewish world was horrified and demonstrated its revulsion in word and deed. Buddhists aren't--despite the destruction of Tibet by the Chinese Communists, no Buddhists have murdered innocent Chinese, let alone non-Chinese who deal with China."

New York Times columnist David Brooks is quite chilling on the cult of death that is found among a certain number of Islamic militants. Note well: Brooks is careful to point out that only a minority of Muslims embrace the ideology of death--and he further argues that the killing isn't really about advancing Islam.

Here's what he says:

"[T]he death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying.

"It's about massacring people while in a state of spiritual loftiness. It's about experiencing the total freedom of barbarism--freedom even from human nature, which says, Love children, and Love life. It's about the joy of sadism and suicide.

"We should be used to this pathological mass movement by now. We should be able to talk about such things. Yet when you look at the Western reaction to the Beslan massacres, you see people quick to divert their attention away from the core horror of this act, as if to say: We don't want to stare into this abyss. We don't want to acknowledge those parts of human nature that were on display in Beslan. Something here, if thought about too deeply, undermines the categories we use to live our lives, undermines our faith in the essential goodness of human beings."

Columnist Ralph Peters, writing last week in the New York Post, was more sectarian in his approach:

"The mass murder of children revolts the human psyche. Herod sending his henchmen to massacre the infants of Bethlehem haunts the Gospels. Nothing in our time was crueler than what the Germans did to children during the Holocaust. Slaughtering the innocents violates a universal human taboo.

"Or a nearly universal one. Those Muslims who preach Jihad against the West decided years ago that killing Jewish or Christian children is not only acceptable, but pleasing to their god when done by 'martyrs.'

"It isn't politically correct to say this, of course. We're supposed to pretend that Islam is a ‘religion of peace.’ All right, then: It's time for Muslims to stand up for the once-noble, nearly lost traditions of their faith and condemn what Arab and Chechen terrorists and blasphemers did in the Russian town of Beslan."

abuelsm
09-08-2004, 10:24 AM
there are many points in this article needs to be clarified:

1. there are no Christian terrorists:

i.Timothy McVay was not from the Middle east. Timothy McVay was a member of a national militia group called "Christian Identity".
ii. Adolph hitler once said: "The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine."
iii. Who killed the native american and tortured the slaves?
iv.The bloody history of Christianity would lead any objective person to conclude that the Christian religion have been a moral abomination to mankind. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch burnings, the torture of "infidels" were all carried out in the name of the Christian God.

The only valid argument is that humans in general can do bad things, regardless of whether they are religious or not.
(quoted from the internet)

2. Jews aren't--and when one Jew did deliberately kill innocent Palestinians in 1994, the rest of the Jewish world was horrified and demonstrated its revulsion in word and deed:

i. Number of Palestinian children killed rises to 545 on Palestinian Child Day(April 6, 2004).
ii. More than 250 Palestinian and 72 Israeli children have been killed in Israel and the territories in the past 23 months of fighting. (Amnesty International, SEPTEMBER-29-2002)

http://www.answering-christianity.com/human.htm

janelle
09-08-2004, 12:18 PM
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm

What you posted came from this site?

It has other interesting articles there. Never heard of Moses doing this in the Christian bible. Think I will stick with the Christian bible as the truth but thanks anyway.
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Important Articles:

Aisha in Islam:

Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet in Islam!!

Young girls in the Bible and Jewish Talmud as young as 3: First of all, let's look at two main points in the Bible:

(1) Young girls in the Talmud and Bible, as young as 3, being married off.

(2) Young girls in the BIBLE marrying, without choice, men who were their fathers' age or even older!

1- Young girls in the Talmud and Bible, as young as 3, being married off:

In the Torah (In the Book of Numbers in the Bible), after the conquest of Midian and Moab, and the great venereal plague, Moses (peace be on him) ordered that all the women "who have known a man" be killed but that "all the young girls, who have not known a man by lying with him" be kept alive for the Israelites:

Numbers 31:17-18 "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

Since the only females left fit for marriage and wholesome relations were prepubescent virgins, a Jewish law concerning child marriage was enacted. That law is found in the Babylonian Talmud.

"Rabbi Joseph said, 'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition.'

Mishnah: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse.

Gemara: Our Rabbis taught: 'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse.' "

Today, the Jewish law for marriage, sets the age of consent for females at 11. (Consent is only one way of marriage) I do not know if modern Jewish law still allows (in theory) betrothal by intercourse as it was practiced in ancient times.

Thirty years ago, the renowned sexologist R.E.L. Masters and Allan Edwardes said in their study of Afro-Asian sexual expression (_The Cradle of Erotica_, Julian Press, New York:1962) said, "Today, in many parts of North Africa, Arabia, and India, girls are wedded and bedded between the ages of five and nine; and no self-respecting female remains unmarried beyond the age of puberty."

I emailed a friend of mine, a former Jew who speaks Hebrew, and he further gave me more information regarding the Jewish view to marriage:

"I have just called up a seriously orthodox friend, a dealer in manuscripts with whom I do business, and a good fellow, to double check my response, and we are in perfect agreement. He runs a strictly orthodox and observant home and life, dresses in black, etc...I checked with him about it, as my own copy of the Code of Jewish Law is the shortened version, known as the "Kitzur Shulchan Aruch". The full book is the "Shulchan Aruch", which means "The Well-Set Table" (The Jews have a talent for clever book-titles).

(www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm)

**** Also, the age consent in the US and Europe only 100 years ago for girls' marriage was as little as 10, and some popular men figures married little girls who were as young as their daughters. I have provided the Western links and proofs.

By the way, please visit: X-Rated Pornography in the Bible. The Bible literally says that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".

Also visit: Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.



2- Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible:

Exodus 21:7-11
7. "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.
8. "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her.
9. "If he designates her for his son [Note: "his son" means that the master is either her father's age or even much older!], he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters.
10. "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.
11. "If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.

First of all, did the daughter have any choice to be sold off by her father, married off by her master to either himself or his son? No!

Also, the fact that the master can either marry her or marry her off to his son, means that MOST LIKELY, SHE IS HIS DAUGHTER'S AGE and younger than his son!! So he's probably at least 30+ years older than her. Yet, he himself (her father's age or even MUCH older) can marry her.

Again, please visit: X-Rated Pornography in the Bible. The Bible literally says that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".

Also visit: Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.

Also, the fact that there is no AGE LIMIT to how girls in the Bible were sold off and married off to other men, WITHOUT ANY CHOICE, who were much much older than them as also the case with the Biblical Prophets who married 100s of wives each clearly proves the hypocrisy of some Christians who attack Islam through Aisha's very young age, while they clearly ignore the same fact in their own Bible. Here is a sample of the 100s of wives of the Biblical Prophets:

In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.


Please visit: Aisha was "9" when she married our Prophet. If this is weird or unacceptable to you, then are BOTH HER PARENTS and the whole Arabs' culture BACK THEN also guilty for giving her and others like her in marriage to other men, 1500 years ago?

Even today, girls in many third-world countries are married off at the same or similar age. Also, it is believed by many Jews and Roman Catholics that Mary was 12 - 14 when she had Jesus. Also as I said, the Biblical Prophets who had 100s of wives each most probably married young girls as well.

Also, what about Aisha's PARENTS (MOM AND DAD)? Didn't they see it right and fit to marry their daughter at that age and at that time? Who are we to judge?

Also, see why Muta (temporary) Marriage was allowed and why it was discontinued.