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Gitty
02-10-2004, 09:03 AM
Do something about it. Watch this http://www.truthuncovered.com/ Dear friend,
In an attempt to escape responsibility for the misleading statements that led the nation to war, President Bush has announced plans to form an independent inquiry to look into what went wrong. An inquiry would serve the Bush administration well: it would envelop the issue in a fog of uncertainty, deflect blame onto the intelligence services, and push any political damage into 2005, after the upcoming election.

But the facts need no clarification. Despite repeated warnings from the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency, President Bush and his administration hyped and distorted the threat that Iraq posed. And now that reality is setting in, the President seeks to pin the blame on someone else. We can't let him.

Congress has the power to censure the President -- to formally reprimand him for his betrayal of the nation's trust. If ever there was a time to use this function, it is now. Join the call for Congress to censure President Bush now at:
http://www.moveon.org/censure/?id=

Thanks.

sandytrap
02-10-2004, 10:51 AM
Considering all the people that lost their lives on Sept. 11th, and all the people fighting for our freedom now, and dying for it...things like this really bother me. The majority of Americans were ready to go to war on September 11th, yet when Bush actually did something about it...this is what he is met with. I wonder how we would act in the situation that he is in. Would we have ordered the war too? Who are we to judge the President when he did something considering the best interest of the nation at the time. The way we Americans act these days, I am willing to bet that if he hadn't gone to war, and something else of huge proportions had happened in America, we would have attacked him for NOT going to war. I am better able to put my trust in a President that went to war because of the threat (and yes there are threats every day) to his country, than one that cheated on his wife in office at least once. No one is perfect, we all make mistakes. Until I sit down and run a country without making any mistakes, I am going to trust this man to do the job right. It's easy to be a critic when we are sitting at home listening to and reading all the accusations pitted against him...but how easy is it truly to run a country. Before we completely give up our loyalty in our President, why don't we consider praying for our country, praying for our servicemen and women that are putting their lives on the line even when people are ridiculing the war back at home. They signed up to fight for their country...They are doing great jobs...and they deserve our loyalty and respect. I don't want this post to incite anger or hard feelings. I just believe that we need to be a unified and faithful country. We need to stand behind our President and face terrorism and the threat of terrorism with strength and unity. This isn't about Democrat vs. Republican. This is about keeping our nation safe. God Bless America!!

*****EDITED TO ADD***** GITTY, this is not aimed personally at you!! Please don't be offended or think that I am attacking you. I am aiming this at the people that started up the site...people that continually attack our President. You have a right to your opinion...and I was hoping I had a right to mine...and I was trying very hard to make it as "confrontation free" as possible. Please don't go after people that agree with me...just like I didn't go after the one that disagreed with me. It's all ok. I respect you and am hoping that will be returned...Thanks! (((hugs)))

JKATHERINE
02-10-2004, 10:53 AM
Thanks, Gitty, I signed it and sent it to a lot of people. :)

Whitequeen39
02-10-2004, 10:59 AM
ITA with you!

gemini26
02-10-2004, 11:02 AM
I agree with you Sandytrap!!

girlwithsoul
02-10-2004, 11:25 AM
I'm sorry sandytrap but not everybody was ready to go to war after September 11th and many that WERE ready to go to war wanted to go to find OSAMA.....not Saddam......JMHO.

Politics is just an issue that society as a whole will never agree about.

I personally don't like the new Bush, think he's worse than his daddy but I sure hope he follows his dad's path.

sandytrap
02-10-2004, 11:40 AM
girlwithsoul...don't be sorry. we all have opnions...you weren't mean or rude in your reply and I really appreciate that!! (((hugs)))

Kelsey1224
02-10-2004, 11:47 AM
I am NOT a Bush fan; quite the contrary. However, I anticipate that we will be hearing more of this simply because it is election time. Primarys have started so it is now officially time to start slinging mud. Some is absolutely warranted...but much of it is not.

Shancopp
02-10-2004, 12:01 PM
ita sandytrap!! feel free to view the video in my siggie....that reason can't be considered a "lie".

Gitty
02-10-2004, 12:04 PM
This thread is "If you feel he lied!" If you don't feel you were lied to, then why not hit the back button? This thread wasn't are you Democrat or Republican. This thread isn't anything to do with Clinton's affairs or Lie's. This thread really has nothing to do with 9/11. It has to do with Bush and his Lie's about WMD in Iraq, And about our service people dieing because of the Lie's.

Tippytail
02-10-2004, 12:05 PM
Sandytrap- I couldn't have said it any better myself. I'm not sure I could do a better job because I've never been put in the position Bush or any President before him has been put in.


I can understand the hurt of those that have servicemen and women in their families but on the other hand, I cherish the freedoms given to mine because of said servicemen and women. Had it not been for his decisions, you or I might not have the same freedoms tomorrow and our children or grandchildren could be the next generation fighting Osama or Saddam. Why should our country sit back and wait for more tragedy, this is in the here and now and it's being dealt with in the same manner that it has in the past.This war didn't start at Bush's declaration, it started when a few evil and misled men boarded a couple of planes. There hasn't been a President yet that hasn't come with some baggage or been met with a great deal of bad publicity for one act or another, no matter how serious or trivial. I for one will support him, because even if he's made mistakes, I'm sure he is doing his best and that I could do no better.
I don't understand why we attach Bush's name to it all, anyway. It's not like he had an epiphany and is going on a split second decision. There are other people involved but it seems as if people are blaming him alone for the entire scene.
I won't judge him for the decisions he's made, I can't imagine being him.

jdglmg
02-10-2004, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by sandytrap
Considering all the people that lost their lives on Sept. 11th, and all the people fighting for our freedom now, and dying for it...things like this really bother me. The majority of Americans were ready to go to war on September 11th, yet when Bush actually did something about it...this is what he is met with. I wonder how we would act in the situation that he is in. Would we have ordered the war too? Who are we to judge the President when he did something considering the best interest of the nation at the time. The way we Americans act these days, I am willing to bet that if he hadn't gone to war, and something else of huge proportions had happened in America, we would have attacked him for NOT going to war. I am better able to put my trust in a President that went to war because of the threat (and yes there are threats every day) to his country, than one that cheated on his wife in office at least once. No one is perfect, we all make mistakes. Until I sit down and run a country without making any mistakes, I am going to trust this man to do the job right. It's easy to be a critic when we are sitting at home listening to and reading all the accusations pitted against him...but how easy is it truly to run a country. Before we completely give up our loyalty in our President, why don't we consider praying for our country, praying for our servicemen and women that are putting their lives on the line even when people are ridiculing the war back at home. They signed up to fight for their country...They are doing great jobs...and they deserve our loyalty and respect. I don't want this post to incite anger or hard feelings. I just believe that we need to be a unified and faithful country. We need to stand behind our President and face terrorism and the threat of terrorism with strength and unity. This isn't about Democrat vs. Republican. This is about keeping our nation safe. God Bless America!!
I couldn't agree more!

Gitty
02-10-2004, 12:41 PM
If it "bothers you so much," Why even read it? Why bother wasting your time? If it stresses you, I'm sure you know how to hit the back button! This thread is against Bush's Lie's! And I WAS NOT being disrepstful or unloyal to our service people and I do pray for them and our country.

Tippytail
02-10-2004, 01:10 PM
Settle down....who said that it's a waste of their time. We might not agree with something that's said but that doesn't mean that we aren't entitled to voice our opinion be it for or against others expressed...which is probably why the back button wasn't hit.
Nobody came in here with a bad attitude or acting like a buttface so please, if you don't like what is said then take your own advice and hit the back button or skim over those replies.

I suppose you would have something to say in a Post entitled "Bush Is Great!". I would read your opinion but I wouldn't get testy about it...I'd scroll on by you.



:)

Gitty
02-10-2004, 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by sandytrap
1*things like this really bother me. 2 *It's easy to be a critic when we are sitting at home listening to and reading all the accusations pitted against him... 3*why don't we consider praying for our country, praying for our servicemen and women that are putting their lives on the line even when people are ridiculing the war back at home. 4*and they deserve our loyalty and respect. 5*I don't want this post to incite anger or hard feelings. I just believe that we need to be a unified and faithful country. 6*We need to stand behind our President and face terrorism and the threat of terrorism with strength and unity. 7*This isn't about Democrat vs. Republican. 8*This is about keeping our nation safe. God Bless America!!
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1.Hit the back button! 2.What all? 3.Not ridiculing anyone 4.Not being disloyal or disrespectful. 5.Not being disunified or unfaithful. 6.Don't have a problem with taken care of terrorism, when it's not lied about. 7. No it's not and I didn't say it was! 8. Yes it is. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tippytail
[B]1*Settle down....who said that it's a waste of their time. 2We might not agree with something that's said but that doesn't mean that we aren't entitled to voice our opinion be it for or against others expressed...which is probably why the back button wasn't hit.
2*Nobody came in here with a bad attitude or 3* acting like a buttface so please, if you don't like what is said then take your own advice and hit the back button or skim over those replies.

4*I suppose you would have something to say in a Post entitled "Bush Is Great!". I would read your opinion but 5*I wouldn't get testy about it...6.I'd scroll on by you.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------1. And who has the problem. 2. Yes you did to scoled me for not agreeing with the way you think 3. I don't recall saying anyone was a buttface..... Can you show me where I did this? 4*You can start a thread with that title if you want too. 5. You Sure seem like testy to me.:confused: 6. Oh please do!:rolleyes:

Jolie Rouge
02-10-2004, 02:00 PM
The Dems keep claiming that the Bush administration "invented" Saddmn and the WMD -- but it was a widely proclaimed article of faith for every prominant Democrat in the Clinton administration while Bush was still gov of Texas. To give just three examples :


"We want seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's Weapons od Mass Destuction program" -- Pres. Clinton : 2-17-98


"He (Saddamn) will use these WMD again, as he hasd 10 times since 1983." -- Sandy Berger, Clinton's National Security Advisor, 2-18-98


"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMD and palaces for his cronies" -- Madeline Albright, Secetary of State, : 11-10-99

Therefore IF Bush wanted to "deceive" the American people all he had to do was join a conspiracy already established by the previous {Democratic} administration.

Gitty
02-10-2004, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by Jolie Rouge
[B]The Dems keep claiming that the Bush administration "invented" Saddmn and the WMD -- but it was a widely proclaimed article of faith for every prominant Democrat in the Clinton administration while Bush was still gov of Texas.



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"We want seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's Weapons od Mass Destuction program" -- Pres. Clinton : 2-17-98
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"He (Saddamn) will use these WMD again, as he hasd 10 times since 1983." -- Sandy Berger, Clinton's National Security Advisor, 2-18-98
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"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMD and palaces for his cronies" -- Madeline Albright, Secetary of State, : 11-10-99
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Therefore IF Bush wanted to "deceive" the American people all he had to do was join a conspiracy already established by the previous {Democratic} administration.

And thats why Bush should have let the UN to handle it!

Jolie Rouge
02-10-2004, 02:10 PM
...and they have been doing a grand job.

Libia is in charge of their Human Rights Committee as well.... perhaps we should have appealed to them on behave of the Kurds that were used as experimental subjects of Saddamn's Nerve and Mustard Gas research ?

Tippytail
02-10-2004, 02:11 PM
. And who has the problem. 2. Yes you did to scoled me for not agreeing with the way you think 3. I don't recall saying anyone was a buttface..... Can you show me where I did this? 4*You can start a thread with that title if you want too. 5. You Sure seem like testy to me. 6. Oh please do!

I don't have a problem with you. You said posted it, which I took as your opinion. I don't have a problem with that.
Where did I scold you for anything? I recall having my opinion and never did I say anything about yours. I said I won't judge him...you can if you'd like but I'm probably not going to agree with you.
I did not say that you called anybody anything...I simply said that nobody came in here acting like one therefore I couldn't not understand why you seem wound up about some of the replies.

I am not testy, it takes more than somebody's differing opinion to get me that way. I get testy when people are told to back out of a thread because the answer does not seem to be what the op wanted to hear. Sandytrap couldn't have been nicer in her reply and I feel like I couldn't have been either. We stated our feelings and did not judge you for yours.It was a posted topic and we replied, I'm sorry if that's not what you wanted.
Nowhere did I yell or even exclaim my points. I didn't get angry and I certainly didn't accuse you of anything. Now I hope your day gets better than I guess it is now.

Gitty
02-10-2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by Jolie Rouge
...and they have been doing a grand job.

Libia is in charge of their Human Rights Committee as well.... perhaps we should have appealed to them on behave of the Kurds that were used as experimental subjects of Saddamn's Nerve and Mustard Gas research ? If Bush had a problem with the UN then he need to get other countries to help fix it. Not Lied

Kelsey1224
02-10-2004, 02:19 PM
When you post a thread, you cannot govern who reads it and who replies. You must expect that people will agree AND disagree with what you said.

As long as we aren't calling each other names or being rude...each and every person has the right to post their opinion.

Jolie Rouge
02-10-2004, 02:26 PM
If Bush had a problem with the UN then he need to get other countries to help fix it. Not Lied

read my above post.

Are we assumming the Clinton Administration was lying also ??


BTW - The Bush Sr.; the Clinton; and present Bush administrations have tried to get the UN involved. UN's {equivilant} response was to ask the Iraqi Regime : "Are you testing deadly chemical agents on unwilling subjects of a miniority class of your own people ? No ? So sorry to have troubled you - we'll see ourselves out..." :rolleyes:

Gitty
02-10-2004, 02:57 PM
Kelsey1224 I don't have a problem with anyone posting in any thread Agree or disagreeing. Just saying I said something I didn't or saying I did something I didn't.
Jolie Rouge So sorry to have troubled you - we'll see ourselves out..." :rolleyes: HUH????:confused:

Tippytail
02-10-2004, 03:25 PM
Settle down....who said that it's a waste of their time. We might not agree with something that's said but that doesn't mean that we aren't entitled to voice our opinion be it for or against others expressed...which is probably why the back button wasn't hit.
Nobody came in here with a bad attitude or acting like a buttface so please, if you don't like what is said then take your own advice and hit the back button or skim over those replies.

I suppose you would have something to say in a Post entitled "Bush Is Great!". I would read your opinion but I wouldn't get testy about it...I'd scroll on by you.



Just saying I said something I didn't or saying I did something I didn't.

If you are referring to me, please point out what exactly I said that you did or said.The buttface comment I made was not implying that you said it, I meant that nobody came in acting like that so why answer with a reply such as this:


If it "bothers you so much," Why even read it? Why bother wasting your time? If it stresses you, I'm sure you know how to hit the back button! This thread is against Bush's Lie's! And I WAS NOT being disrepstful or unloyal to our service people and I do pray for them and our country.

This is the second time I've tried to clear that up...

stresseater
02-10-2004, 09:15 PM
ITA Sandytrap!

If it "bothers you so much," Why even read it? Why bother wasting your time? If it stresses you, I'm sure you know how to hit the back button! This thread is against Bush's Lie's! And I WAS NOT being disrepstful or unloyal to our service people and I do
As for why people who don't agree don't hit the back button, it is because when a person says something that is misleading or not true it tends to be taken as true if repeated enough. From reading the information at this site it seems these people really don't want to find out the truth but they would rather continue to spread their disinformation instead. Maybe upon readiing this some of us on the board choose to try to stop the repeating of this misinformation. At least until the facts come out.;) ;) :D

ebgreen74
02-10-2004, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by Gitty
Kelsey1224 I don't have a problem with anyone posting in any thread Agree or disagreeing. Just saying I said something I didn't or saying I did something I didn't.
Jolie Rouge So sorry to have troubled you - we'll see ourselves out..." :rolleyes: HUH????:confused:

How is that confusing? I understood it fine, and agree 100% with Julie Rouge. The UN was unwilling to do anything-they didn't want to get involved. Bush took care of business-end of story. I am thankful for that. How in the world Sadaam became the good guy and Bush became the enemy to some has just baffled me beyond belief. Maybe Osama will be your new hero after he's caught too?? Now that is what I find confusing.

On another note, I'd love to see a democrat run for president on his/her own merits rather than just mud-slinging Bush.

janelle
02-11-2004, 12:14 AM
In my opinion I think Sandy is brilliant. The dems complain about the war but none has said what they will do about it. Just that it was a mistake to have gone to war but how are they going to get us out? Just bring our troops home and forget about the Iraqi people? I'm sure they can do that. Yeah right. :rolleyes:

Kelsey1224
02-11-2004, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by Gitty
Kelsey1224 I don't have a problem with anyone posting in any thread Agree or disagreeing. Just saying I said something I didn't or saying I did something I didn't.


I must have misunderstood when you posted the following:


This thread is "If you feel he lied!" If you don't feel you were lied to, then why not hit the back button?

When I read that, I understood you to be saying that if you don't feel he lied...hit the back button. Don't post.

That comment was what what I was responding to. I think people would be most likely to comment if they disagree with what you are posting and that if they think the information you are providing is misleading.

I know I would.

And...as I said before...I am NOT a Bush fan. However, I think that much of what that site has IS misleading.

Jaidness
02-11-2004, 08:34 AM
Personally, I think that we as Americans and taxpayers have a right and a duty to hold every and all government official accountable for everything they do, after all we are paying for it. Also considering the fact that we spent millions on the Starr report to find out of Clinton had oral sex and if he lied about it I say heck yes, lets find out exactly what is going on with this whole thing, aren't we entitled to the truth? If we don't start making these people accountable then they will continue to use our tax money to support big business and spend freely on their own special interests, I for one would rather that money go to our future and to childrens futures.

LuvBigRip
02-11-2004, 09:49 AM
Then I suppose Kerry is lying too: How can anyone consider taking what is supposed to be the best intellegence in the world at face value as lying??? Bush only said what Clinton did too. What the world believed to be true. That Sadaam did in fact have the weapons. And if he didn't, why allow his country to be attacked instead of just opening the doors to unfettered inspections?

Kerry 2003: Bush Misled Americans On War; Kerry 1997: Warned Of Saddam Nuclear And Biological Capabilities

In New Hampshire yesterday, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said President Bush broke his promise to build an international coalition against Iraq's Saddam Hussein and then waged a war based on questionable intelligence.

But 5 years ago, Sen. Kerry seemed to warn of Saddam's nuclear and biological capabilities as he argued the U.S. must do what it has to do, with or without other nations!

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From the official congressional record: Warned Of Saddam Nuclear And Biological Capabilities:

"It is not possible to overstate the ominous implications for the Middle East if Saddam were to develop and successfully militarize and deploy potent biological weapons. We can all imagine the consequences. Extremely small quantities of several known biological weapons have the capability to exterminate the entire population of cities the size of Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. These could be delivered by ballistic missile, but they also could be delivered by much more pedestrian means; aerosol applicators on commercial trucks easily could suffice. If Saddam were to develop and then deploy usable atomic weapons, the same holds true." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

Use Of Force Against Saddam Justified To Prevent WMD Production:

'[Saddam Hussein] cannot be permitted to go unobserved and unimpeded toward his horrific objective of amassing a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. This is not a matter about which there should be any debate whatsoever in the Security Council, or, certainly, in this Nation."(Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

Military Force Should Be Used Against Suspected WMD

"In my judgment, the Security Council should authorize a strong U.N. military response that will materially damage, if not totally destroy, as much as possible of the suspected infrastructure for developing and manufacturing weapons of mass destruction, as well as key military command and control nodes. Saddam Hussein should pay a grave price, in a currency that he understands and values, for his unacceptable behavior. This should not be a strike consisting only of a handful of cruise missiles hitting isolated targets primarily of presumed symbolic value." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

U.S. May Have To Go It Alone To Stop Saddam:

"Were its willingness to serve in these respects to diminish or vanish because of the ability of Saddam to brandish these weapons, then the ability of the United Nations or remnants of the gulf war coalition, or even the United States acting alone, to confront and halt Iraqi aggression would be gravely damaged." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

U.S. Must Do What It Has To Do, With Or Without Other Nations:

"[W]hile we should always seek to take significant international actions on a multilateral rather than a unilateral basis whenever that is possible, if in the final analysis we face what we truly believe to be a grave threat to the well-being of our Nation or the entire world and it cannot be removed peacefully, we must have the courage to do what we believe is right and wise." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

LuvBigRip
02-11-2004, 09:52 AM
What about these prominant Democrats. I suppose they lied too?

Since we haven't found WMD in Iraq, a lot of the anti-war/anti-Bush crowd is saying that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied, then there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent Democrats, who have told the same "lies" since the inspectors pulled out of Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples that prove that the Bush administration didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction...

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002


"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

BigLyd1
02-11-2004, 10:17 AM
Thank you for posting this. I'm going to make a copy of it. Yes, if you're going to call one person a liar, then call them all liars.

wubbywa
02-11-2004, 01:27 PM
You couldnt pay me enough to be a President. If people cant agree on this little board how are all Americans going to ever agree. Every President has made mistakes, said things that arent true, but so have all of us. Politics has been the same forever BS here and BS there.

janelle
02-11-2004, 04:08 PM
Would you rather our nation err on the side of protecting us or err on the side of having us blown to smitherenes? I think that is our situation today with nuclear weapons. :confused:

Sadam must be the biggest dummy ever if he didn't have WMD and kept everyone from inspecting to see. Just what was he hiding? Playboy magazines?

wubbywa
02-11-2004, 05:35 PM
What is WMD?

LuvBigRip
02-11-2004, 05:42 PM
Weapon's of Mass Destruction (WMD's)

queenangie
02-11-2004, 05:42 PM
Weapons of Mass Destruction = WMD

I'm just thinking....if you all lived in one of the
above listed countries....you'd be accused of treason
and placed in jail & tortured for stating and publishing your opinions.
Thank God we're in the United States of America,
where you are free to communicate your opinions.
Think about it!