Merry99%
11-04-2003, 03:55 AM
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i4/humans.asp
a small portion of this article:
Cain’s wife’s origin: why it matters!
In the 17th century, some Bible expositors, it seems, could not answer the question of where Cain got his wife.1 One such was Isaac La Peyrère, a Jewish convert to Catholicism from Bordeaux.2 To solve what he considered to be a problem, he proposed that Cain’s wife and the inhabitants of Cain’s city all came not from Adam but from pre-Adamic stock—beings who had lived in ‘the indefinite amount of time before Adam’.3
He said that Adam was the first Jew and the father of the Jews, but not the father of mankind, so it is not surprising that La Peyrère rejected the doctrine of Original Sin, i.e. that innate depravity is transmitted to all mankind because of Adam’s sin. He said that in the world to come everyone would be saved (universalism). He also argued that Eve was not the first woman, but the first Jewish woman, wife and mother. To explain the presence of Gentiles post-Flood, and to avoid the conclusion that they were all descendants of Noah and his family, he said that the Flood was local, not global. The Gentiles were descended from various pre-Adamites, not from Adam. This polygenesis of the Gentiles was his method of explaining the existence of the Negroes, Chinese, Eskimos, American Indians, Malays and other people groups being discovered.
``To refute this http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4104.asp
Noah's Flood covered the whole Earth
First published in:
Creation Ex Nihilo 21(3):49,
June–August 1999
Many Christians today think the Flood of Noah's time was only a local flood, confined to somewhere around Mesopotamia. This idea comes not from Scripture, but from the notion of 'billions of years' of Earth history.
But look at the problems this concept involves:
If the Flood was local, why did Noah have to build an Ark? He could have walked to the other side of the mountains and missed it.
If the Flood was local, why did God send the animals to the Ark so they would escape death? There would have been other animals to reproduce that kind if these particular ones had died.
If the Flood was local, why was the Ark big enough to hold all kinds of land vertebrate animals that have ever existed? If only Mesopotamian animals were aboard, the Ark could have been much smaller.1
If the Flood was local, why would birds have been sent on board? These could simply have winged across to a nearby mountain range.
If the Flood was local, how could the waters rise to 15 cubits (8 metres) above the mountains (Genesis 7:20)? Water seeks its own level. It couldn't rise to cover the local mountains while leaving the rest of the world untouched.2
If the Flood was local, people who did not happen to be living in the vicinity would not be affected by it. They would have escaped God's judgment on sin.3 If this happened, what did Christ mean when He likened the coming judgment of all men to the judgment of 'all' men (Matthew 24:37–39) in the days of Noah? A partial judgment in Noah's day means a partial judgment to come.
If the Flood was local, God would have repeatedly broken His promise never to send such a flood again.
Belief in a world-wide Flood, as Scripture clearly indicates, has the backing of common sense, science, and Christ Himself.
References and notes
Jonathan Sarfati, 'How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?', Creation 19(2):16–19, 1997. See also John Woodmorappe, Noah's Ark — a Feasibility Study, Institute for Creation Research, Santee, California, 1995. Return to text.
Note that the Bible talks about mountains rising (in connection with God's rainbow promise, so after the Flood): see CEN Technical Journal 12(3):312–313, 1998. Everest has marine fossils at its peak. Therefore, the mountains before the Flood are not those of today. There is enough water in the oceans so that, if all the surface features of the earth were evened out, water would cover the earth to a depth of 2.7 km (1.7 miles). This is not enough to cover mountains the height of Everest, but it shows that the pre-Flood mountains could have been several kilometres high and still be covered. Return to text.
Some 'progressive creationists', who cannot accept a global Flood because of their commitment to millions of years for the ages of fossils, try to promote belief in a 'universal' Flood. This leads many unsuspecting evangelicals to think they believe in a world-wide Flood, but what they mean by this is that even though it was a local flood, all humanity outside of the Ark perished in it. However, it boggles the mind to believe that after all those centuries, no-one would have migrated to other parts. Or that people living on the periphery of such a local Flood would not have moved to the adjoining high ground rather than be drowned. Return to text.
``
He also denied that Moses wrote the Pentateuch (i.e. Genesis to Deuteronomy), and he questioned both the accuracy of Genesis and the authenticity of the Biblical text. Although he was soundly refuted by Jewish and Protestant theologians, and declared to be a heretic by the Catholic Church, his questioning of the authority and accuracy of the Bible was the beginning of modern biblioscepticism. From it came the so-called modern ‘higher criticism’ of the Bible.
In the 20th century, the claim that other-colored people originated from pre-Adamites has been a key pillar for theistically inclined ‘white’ racists.4 These have included British Israelites, Christian Identity, and some factions of the Ku Klux Klan.5 What an incredible legacy of hate derives from the failure of the leaders of these organizations to correctly answer the matter of who Cain’s wife was!
References and notes
For the answer, see our booklet Where Did Cain Get his Wife? available from the addresses on page 2. Return to text.
This section resourced from Popkin, R.H., Isaac La Peyrère (1596–1676) His Life, Work and Influence, E.J. Brill, Leiden, 1987. Return to text.
Some modern pre-Adamitists believe that Cain was biologically fathered by the serpent, in contradiction of Genesis 4:1. Return to text.
Some have even said that non-whites were included in the ‘beasts of the earth’ (which are listed before Adam in the Creation account (Genesis 1:24)), and so escaped the Flood because they were included in the creatures that Noah and his sons took aboard the Ark! Such teaching, of course, attacks the image of God in all humanity (Genesis 1:26–27). See Larson, V., ‘Identity: A “Christian” religion for white racists’, <www.equip.org/free/D1100.htm>, 19 June 2002. Return to text.
See for example ‘Profile Christian Identity’, <www.watchman.org/profile/Identitypro.htm>, 19 June 2002. Return to text.
a small portion of this article:
Cain’s wife’s origin: why it matters!
In the 17th century, some Bible expositors, it seems, could not answer the question of where Cain got his wife.1 One such was Isaac La Peyrère, a Jewish convert to Catholicism from Bordeaux.2 To solve what he considered to be a problem, he proposed that Cain’s wife and the inhabitants of Cain’s city all came not from Adam but from pre-Adamic stock—beings who had lived in ‘the indefinite amount of time before Adam’.3
He said that Adam was the first Jew and the father of the Jews, but not the father of mankind, so it is not surprising that La Peyrère rejected the doctrine of Original Sin, i.e. that innate depravity is transmitted to all mankind because of Adam’s sin. He said that in the world to come everyone would be saved (universalism). He also argued that Eve was not the first woman, but the first Jewish woman, wife and mother. To explain the presence of Gentiles post-Flood, and to avoid the conclusion that they were all descendants of Noah and his family, he said that the Flood was local, not global. The Gentiles were descended from various pre-Adamites, not from Adam. This polygenesis of the Gentiles was his method of explaining the existence of the Negroes, Chinese, Eskimos, American Indians, Malays and other people groups being discovered.
``To refute this http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4104.asp
Noah's Flood covered the whole Earth
First published in:
Creation Ex Nihilo 21(3):49,
June–August 1999
Many Christians today think the Flood of Noah's time was only a local flood, confined to somewhere around Mesopotamia. This idea comes not from Scripture, but from the notion of 'billions of years' of Earth history.
But look at the problems this concept involves:
If the Flood was local, why did Noah have to build an Ark? He could have walked to the other side of the mountains and missed it.
If the Flood was local, why did God send the animals to the Ark so they would escape death? There would have been other animals to reproduce that kind if these particular ones had died.
If the Flood was local, why was the Ark big enough to hold all kinds of land vertebrate animals that have ever existed? If only Mesopotamian animals were aboard, the Ark could have been much smaller.1
If the Flood was local, why would birds have been sent on board? These could simply have winged across to a nearby mountain range.
If the Flood was local, how could the waters rise to 15 cubits (8 metres) above the mountains (Genesis 7:20)? Water seeks its own level. It couldn't rise to cover the local mountains while leaving the rest of the world untouched.2
If the Flood was local, people who did not happen to be living in the vicinity would not be affected by it. They would have escaped God's judgment on sin.3 If this happened, what did Christ mean when He likened the coming judgment of all men to the judgment of 'all' men (Matthew 24:37–39) in the days of Noah? A partial judgment in Noah's day means a partial judgment to come.
If the Flood was local, God would have repeatedly broken His promise never to send such a flood again.
Belief in a world-wide Flood, as Scripture clearly indicates, has the backing of common sense, science, and Christ Himself.
References and notes
Jonathan Sarfati, 'How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?', Creation 19(2):16–19, 1997. See also John Woodmorappe, Noah's Ark — a Feasibility Study, Institute for Creation Research, Santee, California, 1995. Return to text.
Note that the Bible talks about mountains rising (in connection with God's rainbow promise, so after the Flood): see CEN Technical Journal 12(3):312–313, 1998. Everest has marine fossils at its peak. Therefore, the mountains before the Flood are not those of today. There is enough water in the oceans so that, if all the surface features of the earth were evened out, water would cover the earth to a depth of 2.7 km (1.7 miles). This is not enough to cover mountains the height of Everest, but it shows that the pre-Flood mountains could have been several kilometres high and still be covered. Return to text.
Some 'progressive creationists', who cannot accept a global Flood because of their commitment to millions of years for the ages of fossils, try to promote belief in a 'universal' Flood. This leads many unsuspecting evangelicals to think they believe in a world-wide Flood, but what they mean by this is that even though it was a local flood, all humanity outside of the Ark perished in it. However, it boggles the mind to believe that after all those centuries, no-one would have migrated to other parts. Or that people living on the periphery of such a local Flood would not have moved to the adjoining high ground rather than be drowned. Return to text.
``
He also denied that Moses wrote the Pentateuch (i.e. Genesis to Deuteronomy), and he questioned both the accuracy of Genesis and the authenticity of the Biblical text. Although he was soundly refuted by Jewish and Protestant theologians, and declared to be a heretic by the Catholic Church, his questioning of the authority and accuracy of the Bible was the beginning of modern biblioscepticism. From it came the so-called modern ‘higher criticism’ of the Bible.
In the 20th century, the claim that other-colored people originated from pre-Adamites has been a key pillar for theistically inclined ‘white’ racists.4 These have included British Israelites, Christian Identity, and some factions of the Ku Klux Klan.5 What an incredible legacy of hate derives from the failure of the leaders of these organizations to correctly answer the matter of who Cain’s wife was!
References and notes
For the answer, see our booklet Where Did Cain Get his Wife? available from the addresses on page 2. Return to text.
This section resourced from Popkin, R.H., Isaac La Peyrère (1596–1676) His Life, Work and Influence, E.J. Brill, Leiden, 1987. Return to text.
Some modern pre-Adamitists believe that Cain was biologically fathered by the serpent, in contradiction of Genesis 4:1. Return to text.
Some have even said that non-whites were included in the ‘beasts of the earth’ (which are listed before Adam in the Creation account (Genesis 1:24)), and so escaped the Flood because they were included in the creatures that Noah and his sons took aboard the Ark! Such teaching, of course, attacks the image of God in all humanity (Genesis 1:26–27). See Larson, V., ‘Identity: A “Christian” religion for white racists’, <www.equip.org/free/D1100.htm>, 19 June 2002. Return to text.
See for example ‘Profile Christian Identity’, <www.watchman.org/profile/Identitypro.htm>, 19 June 2002. Return to text.