48 hours special last night, ADHD, is it real?

[suzziq03]

I watched and recorded another 48 hrs last night. They talked about ADHD and the effects of it and the medications. My son used to be on Ritilin but after effects of angry outbursts at the drop of a hat, and what seemd like depression the rest of the time I took him off of it. They talked about Food Allergies effecting kids the same way as what is supposed to be ADHD. And how Aderal can have phycosis as one of the side effects.
I was just wondering what you all thought, I do realize from previous threads that a lot of kids from parents on this board were "diagnosed" with ADHD or ADD and Bipolar.
I was wondering, what if any medications do your kids take, how does it effect them, and what testing if any have they had for other possiblities.??
My son is 10 now, cant stand still for less than 5 seconds unless he is playing video games ( which is not unusual since their hands and eyes are in constant motion) and still to this day has outbursts of hitting and yelling, although he states that he doesnt know why, and doesnt want to fight.
anyone with suggestions or help? I really dont want him back on medication.
thanks
susan

[trufflez]

My daughter is the label queen! A.D.H.D., L.D., O.C.D., O.D.D., has anxiety and depression. She wasn't tested for food allergies though she is lactose intolerant. She was on numerous medications from Thorazine to Ritalin. Nothing worked! As a young child the problems were constant. Now she is 21 and through the years she has settled down somewhat. This may sound alittle crazy but the best medication she was ever on was caffeine. Think about it. It works like Ritalin and we could regulate how much she had. Some of her doctors poo-pooed this. Others encouraged it, "If it works, go ahead!" Now she is on Celexa for anxiety and depression. She graduated from high school, has taken some college and can sit and read a book cover to cover. Good luck to you and I do understand! Just remember, one day at a time...

[suzziq03]

My one cousins son is drinking one cup of black coffee in the am, we had tried this for several weeks, also, tea without sugar in it, hot tea, among several other options. He was ok with the coffee for the first week, then went right back to square one.
he has been this way since he was 4 yrs old, he at one time started sleep walking when he was younger and one time we even found a steak knife inbetween his matress which scaed the whole crap out of me and my hubby. he has since stopped that. But his teachers at school are at their wits end, and me also.
We all know he is very smart, his verbal skills are just out of this world. But to sit and do something getting it from his brain to his paper is a real task, a few days ago it took him aprox. 4 hrs to do one worksheet. hes always "forgetting"...... ( please forgive my typing I went off some diet pills the other day and im shaking terrably right now )I would like to share something that was prented in the local paper a few days ago:

How to diagnose, treat children with ADHD:

* difficulty sustaining attention
* make careless mistakes
* not pay attention to details
*appear to not listen
* seem " tuned out"
* fail to follow instructions
* not get schoolwork or chores done
* becom e easily distracted by other people or activities
* be frequetnly forget full
* be physically restless
* react without thinking first
* disorganization
* disruptive behavior
* uncontrolable impulsive behaviors
* gets emotional very quickly
* gets bored easily
* very demanding
* loss of confidence
* sense of insecurity or inferiority
* depression or anxiety disorders

Unfortunately my 10 yr old suffers every single one of these. :( and im not sure how to handle him sometimes. the artical in the paper kind of contridicts what I saw on 48 hrs last night, as the paper states that these are not symptoms of poor parenting, family problems, poor teachers, to much t.v., food alleries or excess sugar.
which is one of the other items of problem areas that 48 hrs had pointed out in one child that acted like my son last night. :( im so confused now its not even funny. is it or is it not? I really cant afford to take him for a lot of testings, and I can not afford to take him out in town for a "good dr", I have to rely on the base medical for all my answers, and when I ask about anything all i get is the run arround, or a " i dont know, im not sure, or ill look into it and get back to you " and nothing ever comes of it. even though i call and call and call.
to be quite honest at times im afraid of my son, his outbursts include ramming at me or my husband when he is so totally consumed of feelings, kicking, punching, etc. of course my 3 yr old is way worse at this then he is, my 5 1/2 yr old is alright, but she has a attide problem mostely ( thinks she knows everything ).
but im really afriad for my son, and what will become of him in the future if I DONT do anything about this, he is fast approching his teenage years. and I dont want him to feel " invisable" to everyone as he does now. and end up in jail, or worse because of his reactions to people. im just so lost right now..

[cpbaby]

Originally posted by suzziq03
How to diagnose, treat children with ADHD:

* difficulty sustaining attention
* make careless mistakes
* not pay attention to details
*appear to not listen
* seem " tuned out"
* fail to follow instructions
* not get schoolwork or chores done
* becom e easily distracted by other people or activities
* be frequetnly forget full
* be physically restless
* react without thinking first
* disorganization
* disruptive behavior
* uncontrolable impulsive behaviors
* gets emotional very quickly
* gets bored easily
* very demanding
* loss of confidence
* sense of insecurity or inferiority
* depression or anxiety disorders




My youngest has most of these symptoms to some degree. I honestly never thought he was ADHD. I am going to try to remember to mention this list to his pediatrician on our next visit.

[suzziq03]

there is a online support site at www.adhd.com they have a lot of information there.
also, if your going to mention the symptoms of your child to your pediatrition, be carefull not to mention adhd, its a VERY contriversial diagnosis among the medical world, a lot of doctors dont believe in it and contribute symptoms to something else. just thought I would warn you. I had one dr. tell me he was appauld that i would even mention ADHD and his name in the same sentence :rolleyes: needless to say i dropped him like a bad habbit, due to his bad attitude.

[mewoman]

This site has links to many different views on ADHD...links about homiopathic treatments, allergies and ADHD, and so on.
Also, some kids do mimic ADHD due to allergies and/or other medical problems...unfortunately, my son also has ADHD and is on Adderall XR.
Anyway, you can try going to some of the links on this site. I'll have to warn you, though. Some of these links are web-sites of people I wouldn't even want in the same room with my son. So, take some of them with a grain of salt. The ones you would probably want to read at this point, are the ones pertaining to allergies and medications.
DISCLAIMER: I have nothing against natural remedies. They've just been shoved down my throat a little too much and I prefer to see some clinical trials on the natural remedies, so I know that they have proven effectiveness, not just word of mouth.

http://www.focusas.com/AttentionalDisorders.html

[Lora_1994]

My son is 7 and was just diagnosed with ADHD and a mood disorder. He would get very angry and very violent at little things. He couldnt sit still, and had poor concentration. I was afraid that he may be bi-polar.(their father was) And the doctor said its very hard to diagnose a child of his age with that because bi-polar and ADHD have alot of the same symptoms.(very fine line between the 2) Anyhow, I was very reluctlant to have him on medication, as ive heard i think just about all the horror stories you could hear. But we've got him on 36mg of Concerta in the am and 50 mg. of Zoloft of an evening.

Let me tell you, he is like a totally different child. He now loves to live, as where before he was always talking about "wishing he were dead", he had pulled a knife on my mother, scratching himself when he got mad, hurting his little brother, and the list goes on and on.

I have a brand new son and life for us is soo much easier, he does go to counseling, and that has also helped alot. Little man had been through ALOT the first 4 yrs of his life. If you have any ????'s e-mail me at [email protected] , i'd be more than happy help you out. :) :)

[poonie]

Comments removed by an Administrator who is also a parent of a child with ADD. If you have a complaint my email address is [email protected]. While we welcome all opinions, we do not allow blatant attacks with no facts to back them up.
Mom2jal

[shell76]

You can be allergic to caffeine and it will have the same symptoms as bipolar disorder, ADD, ADHD, and many other ailments. I posted about this a while back.....you may want to check it out!

http://forums.bigbigsavings.com/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=221578

[mewoman]

Poonie
You're obviously trying to cause trouble with that statement.
My kids are very well behaved. My son has ADHD, my daughter does not. He was on medication only during the schoold day. On weekends, holidays and such, he was not. Because of this, his social skills are way behind. I also tried multiple times to take him off during the school day. His grades slipped so far, that he would have failed had I not put him back on meds. He is one of the most loving and best behaved children I have ever seen. Do I discipline my kids? You'd better believe I do. I lost a job that I worked at for 6 years because of my belief that I would be home with them if they were not at school.
Obviously, I put my kids welfare before mine!!!! I don't go out and party, I don't drink and my kids follow my rules or they don't have priviledges.
I agree that there are parents out there who don't want to be bothered and so, therefore, medicate their children, but there are a lot that genuinly love their children enough to monitor and treat any condition they may have.
It's people like you that cause intolerance for kids that are handicapped, whether mentally or physically. Grow up and take a look at the real world.

[suzziq03]

For someone who doesnt know me or my life or my children I find this extreamly offensive!.:mad:


shell, lora and others....
thanks for the reply's, im going to call first thing Monday morning and see if medical does testing for allergies. I know hes a good and bright kid, I just belive that there is something holding him back making him feel the way he does. Its been a while seince he has blew up, but had hit his little 5 yr old sister the other day out of no where right in the eye, nearly giving her a black eye, and kept saying he didnt know why all he saw was red. Its starting to worry me more and more the more I think about his behavior this past year.
Thanks for all the help guys.
Sue

[Lora_1994]

Originally posted by poonie
Adhd is a made up disorder for parents that are too lazy to discipline their children.
__________________________________________________ ________________



My children are disciplined, and their parents are not lazy ....... (walking out biting my tounge,,,HARD... b4 I get banned from BBS)

[nanajoanie]

We have a 12 yr. old grandson with ADHA since he was about 6 yrs. old. Very complicated. He is so skinny, he looks like a child with rickets. He takes steroids the help increase apptetite in additions to his other meds. He goes from some gentle to outrageous. So frustrating to see this in an offspring and a special little boy......

[Lasher]

Originally posted by poonie
Adhd is a made up disorder for parents that are too lazy to discipline their children.

and how many kids do you have? ADHD is a real disorder, I will agree that is the past some doctors were to eager to diagnose, but if someone hadn't have figured out I had the problem, I never would have made it through school, I went from barely passing to straight A's, and now go to UA, on scholarships.

oh and thanks for insulting all the parents who have kids with ADHD, mine and theirs thank you:rolleyes:

[Tasha405]

Originally posted by poonie
Adhd is a made up disorder for parents that are too lazy to discipline their children.

You know what, that was so rude and way out of line! I have a son with ADHD, does that mean I am too lazy to discipline him?? NO! How many kids do you have with ADD/ADHD?? You don't know what its like to have to deal with kids that suffer from this! And yes they do SUFFER from it, and so do the parents. You don't know what we have been through with our kids, so don't be so fast to judge!

[Tasha405]

{{{{Lasher}}}}

[hawley7]

hi. first i must say that i am a psychology major and i strongly believe in ADHD and question anyone who doesn't. it is imperative that we not stand by and allow children to be first misdiagnosed. i know there is a lot of that out there and mostly because there are financial benefits to public organizations for a child to be for example attending a school who has been diagnosed with not only ADHD but other behavioral disorders and also mental disorders. the schools receive money and such and such for having the child attend their school. anyhow, my 25 year old brother was diagnosed at age 5 with ADHD and my parents refused to give him his medication of course against doctor's recommendations and i will say he endured much due to that that could have been avoided if he were on medication. as for some of the so called side effects, yes they have some of these kids so doped up be careful about your doctor some of them get kickbacks not only for seeing you as a patient but for prescribing you certain drugs. some of the so called side effects are no more than part of the disorder. ADHD is not to get too technical a lack of a chemical in your brain...what happens is the frontal lobe begins to dissenigrate. if i can find it i will come back and link it but the brain looks like someone took a cigarette and burned holes all in the brain causing of course for certain functions that are controlled by this section of the brain to sease. of course, impulsivity and concentration are only 2 of the many functions. a child who has ADD OR ADHD cannot control some things that other PEOPLE can. you can have ADHD as an adult this is not secluded to children. now having said all of that my son is 5 years old and was diagnosed with ADHD after many years of me begging them to test him. i have known since he was very young. all the signs were there and everything lead to that. i grew up with a child who had ADHD and now i am raising one. i do know that my son needs his medication just as a child with epilepsy needs there medication or just as my brother a diabetic needs his. it is not just medication that your children need it is also being taught certain behaviors. just as a child who suffers from mental retardation, a child with ADHD has lost some brain functions that can be regained through medication and also through therapy and learning how to properly behave, through controlling behaviors, impulses, learning to concentrate and many other things. i do leave you now with one thing hope for children and adults that suffer from ADHD AND ADD.

[stresseater]

* make careless mistakes
* not pay attention to details
*appear to not listen
* seem " tuned out"
* fail to follow instructions
* not get schoolwork or chores done
* becom e easily distracted by other people or activities
* be frequetnly forget full
* be physically restless
* react without thinking first
* disorganization
* disruptive behavior
* uncontrolable impulsive behaviors
* gets emotional very quickly
* gets bored easily
* very demanding
* loss of confidence
* sense of insecurity or inferiority
* depression or anxiety disorders
I thought these were symptoms of being a child?????
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[suzziq03]

but when they take over is when its a problem. I mean,take my son for instance.
becomes easily distracte::If someoen in class was restling papers or tapping a foot on the floor that is what he would consintrate on for the intire time it happend, and then would go into a zone and keep focused on it and tune out everything else being said or done.

gets emotional quickly:: he could go from laughing is arse off to crying at the drop of a hat, several times a day.

forgetfullness:: I could tell him to do something 10 times in half a hour and he "forgets" because he gets so distracted by other things going on.

It takes him aprox. 4 hours at times to do one worksheet it would take other kids 3 minutes to finish because hes so distracted
and frustrations, forget about it! no one in the world can calm him down when he gets frustrated that he cant acomplish something all the other kids have like a simple task of remembering a sentence that was spoke just seconds later by the teacher.... remember my son is 10. he needs help!
its ok to have these and them not control your everyday life, but when they do control it. thats when you need to ask for help!

[annie169]

I have a friend whose son is ADHD. And discipline??? They are stick to the rod parents.! But for Cody, they use an herbal preparation with Kava Kava andd Valerian Root in it and it works good for Cody. Maybe try that?? Hope it helps!!

[annie169]

I have a friend whose son is ADHD. And discipline??? They are stick to the rod parents.! But for Cody, they use an herbal preparation with Kava Kava andd Valerian Root in it and it works good for Cody. Maybe try that?? Hope it helps!! He can't take Ritalin cause he had a reaction to it.

[trufflez]

It is almost 3:45 a.m. and I never reply at this hour but I was so busy Saturday I missed the opportunity to read and reply to Poonies post!! I almost wish it had been left up. The great thing about posts like these is it gives the opposition a place to get all that frustration and anger out of our systems. Since I have only been able to read one line I read it with anger then I felt sorry for this person. Besides my daughter, my husband and stepson are also afflicted. My daughters case is the worse. But through this all I have educated myself and learned patience, understanding and how to be the besy advocate and voice for my family in the world. My family is talented. Through this all, my children have graduated, my husband and son are very talented musicians (my stepson is also a make-up artist in Hollywood), and my daughter is so street-smart and wise that nothing gets past her. And all I can say for you my friend is, from the one line I read, is that you are obviously an uneducated fool! I could easily challenge you to have lived just one day, when my children were young, in my shoes or to have been a fly on my wall!!
Oh and hon, I would really like to have read your post. Do you have a copy or does anyone else? If so, mail it to me! And Poonie, next time you have something to say, send a copy my way! [email protected]
I eat people like you for lunch! Have a good day. Signed: Deb Proud parent and wife of ADD'ers!!!

(Mods if this is out of line you can remove it though I hope you don't. Took alot of time to write through allergy eyes)

[mewoman]

LOL, That was the full extent of Poonie's post....:eek: :eek:

[trufflez]

Your right Smurfy. There is such a fine line between normal kid behavior and that of ADHD and there are tons of Dr.'s out there that will give a kid a pill because the parents description of their kid points to ADHD. What about the lazy parents out there who teach their child to act ADHD, have the child diagnosed and are able to get disability for their kids. There are parents that do that! But as a mom I can sit in a room with 5 kids for 5 minutes and point out normal behavior and ADHD behavior. Adults-There are such obvious signs. Difficulty in marriage. Alcohol and drug dependence. Inability to hold a job just to name a few. Living with an ADHD'er is time consuming, frustrating and everyday is a challenge but things do get better especially with education, consistency and love.

[gemini26]

kids=stress - My daughter has been diagnosed with ADHD since she was in her first year of 1st grade. Thats right her first year. She repeated first grade because she could not grasp the work due to her attention span and her mind constantly running. Yes, the signs mentioned are things that kids do but as one lady mentioned it is these signs in the extreme. No matter how she was educated she would run blindly in the street up until a couple of years ago and she is now 10. One school she was at made up a special class just for her on stranger awarewness because they were afraid that she would go with anyone and they were right! She was above what normal kids would be like. Yes, most kids would go along but the school was afraid for her!! Due to the chemical problems going on in their brain ADHD or ADD kids can not process information unless it is very quick and easy. If it is a long explanation they move on to something else. For this reason you will see a prevalence of ADHD or ADD kids like cartoons, video games, computer games etc. because these types of activites are constantly changeing. Yes, regular kids like these too but not to the same extent generally. And they do tune out. If they are getting overloaded with all this info they can not process they tune out. For awhile they thought my daughter was having petit mal seizures because she would choose to tune people out when she was overloaded. They are more emotional than regular kids as well. I could tell my daughter please tuck in your shirt and she would burst out in tears. If something got her wrong she might get angry as well although I have been lucky as she has not tried anything to me. School work was a 2-3 hour ordeal every single night for a half hour paper for a regular kid because it was hard for her to process info. She hated to read because taking the time to learn words or just sit still for a story was extremely hard for her to do. Because of their short attention span it was very common for my daughter to get up and wander around the room and pick up and touch objects and people in her classes. They get bored when they have to try to concentrate for any period of time and as a result they get behind. It is a vicious cycle. Their imuplsiveness is unbelievable like my daughters problems with going with anyone, running out in streets, gonig after things that most kids can make the judgement of waiting. They are just so impulsive that they do not think of the consequences first. Yes, most kids are like this to a degree but not to the same extent! I finally had my daughter diagnosed and I was right she did have adhd. At first I did not want to put her on meds for fear she would be labeled and because of other ignorant parents or nonparents who do not have a clue of how life is with this type of kid. I did finally put her on and let me tell you it is the best thing I ever did!! Within the first couple of weeks we could sit down and get homework done quickly, she sat down and read a whole book!, she could sit and concentrate in class, she started getting A's and B's, the emotional outbursts have lessened considerably, and she is learning how to control things. Now if she has an outburst she will go to her room or somewhere quiet and compose her self and come out and tell me I needed a break and I am okay now. I have a totally different child now who does not irritate other kids anymore, who has lots of friends, who is still a little too friendly but we are working on that, and is just a joy. Everyone loves her, teachers, older kids, janitors, etc. All I can say was it is very worth it. Also she was put on 20 mg of the generic ritalin a day 4 years ago and she has not gone up. It is enough to let her function and she is no where near a zombie. Also let me tell you I do discipline my kids and we have rules for everything so for the person that said that the parents were lazy you have obviously never dealt with this before and probably might not even have children. I hope and pray that you never have to deal with it because I would feel sorry for your child as you try to discipline them!!
One other thing, adults can and are diagnosed with ADHD. My brother in law has it and takes meds. He also got hooked on drugs and was diagnosed manic depressive. These are common with people with this diagnosis for some reason. So yes I am going to try to do everything for my daughter now so that she has an easier adulthood. It has also been seen to be hereditary. My younger daughter does not have it thank god. To all of you aprents dealing with this kudos for your strength and love!!!!

[tina z]

((((((((((((((((Suzzi)))))))))))) I have 2 childdren with ADD. One has ADHD and took cylert for several years. That worked for her. Our youngest son has ADD and he takes Ritalin on an as needed basis. He takes it for school and doesn't ususally take it on nonschool days.

[Jaidness]

kudos to those of you that have kept your tongue and been kind and helpful...and big big hugs to all the moms out there that care soooo much and go thru sooo much out of love for their children...I know kids with ADHD and it is one rough road, so bless you allfor your kindness patience concern love and tolerance.

[tina z]

Originally posted by Jaidness
kudos to those of you that have kept your tongue and been kind and helpful...and big big hugs to all the moms out there that care soooo much and go thru sooo much out of love for their children...I know kids with ADHD and it is one rough road, so bless you allfor your kindness patience concern love and tolerance.

(((((((((((((((((Jaidness)))))))))))))))))))) I only read the op, and had it not been for who the op was (I know this wasn't posted to cause controversy, that's not what I have observed of Suzzi), would have passed this post entirely because we parents who have kids with ADD have a rough time and don't need to be bashed(I would like to give some of those"experts" that say ADD isn't real a good swift kick of reality). I hope that this makes sense. ((((((((Suzzi))))))))) in short what I am trying to say is that I think that you are a neat lady!:)

Thank you ((((((((Jaidness))))))))) for your kindness and support, you have made my day go better, and I pray that you will also be blessed with kindness today!

[suzziq03]

THANK YOU all for all the help and adivice..
Im going to have to get cracking on this, A.S.A.P.
even more so now, hubby just wrote me and has decided to get out of the Marine Corps due to them not being able to fix his shoulder.
WHY IS IT that if you have something going on, the other things cant wait untill your done handling one problem first!! why does it all swoop down on ya at once!!
Im definately calling tomorrow and asking for testings. REAL testing, not this, well he looks fine to me from what ive seen in the office b.s..
thanks for all the support & information guys! its been very helpfull and informative to know that my son is so similar to others out there.

I told my son that if he gets good grades for a month straight ill try my hardest to get him a trampoline to play on, let him play on it for half a hour before and after he gets his homework done in a timely manor. he loves his friends trampoline. so im hopeing this works! kind of a reward to look forward too, and to earn at the same time. everyone cross your fingers for me!! * im thinking if he jumps arround for half a hour before hand he may settle down a little bit... and afterwards for a reward for doing his work...* what do you think?? good idea or not?? ( but im still taking him to the dr.)

[suzziq03]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tina z
[B]

(((((((((((((((((Jaidness)))))))))))))))))))) I only read the op, and had it not been for who the op was (I know this wasn't posted to cause controversy, that's not what I have observed of Suzzi), would have passed this post entirely because we parents who have kids with ADD have a rough time and don't need to be bashed(I would like to give some of those"experts" that say ADD isn't real a good swift kick of reality). I hope that this makes sense. ((((((((Suzzi))))))))) in short what I am trying to say is that I think that you are a neat lady!:)



:eek: WOW. lol never thought I would hear those words and my name spoke in the same sentance in here.! thank you very much Tina!!! man talk about making someones day!:D :cool:

[mizjen]

I know how difficult it is to deal with my husband sometimes. He has ADHD and doesn't take medication. I can't imagine how hard it must be to have a child with it.

[poonie]

sorry but that was my own opinion and wasnt attacking anyone.I guess the truth hurts....

[Thamlet]

Originally posted by poonie

I guess the truth hurts....


Seems to me your version of the truth is warped.

[mizjen]

Originally posted by poonie
sorry but that was my own opinion and wasnt attacking anyone.I guess the truth hurts....


:confused: :confused: :confused:

My husband wasn't just disciplined, he got the cr@p beat out of him by his parents. Just out of curiosity, how does that fit into your theory?

[Mom2jal]

Originally posted by poonie
sorry but that was my own opinion and wasnt attacking anyone.I guess the truth hurts....

YOUR version of the truth contained no facts to back it up. Just insulting rubbish thought up in your own head. I have a son who is finally succeeding in school after years of frustration and who is suffering no ill effects from his medications. It's prejudiced views like yours that hurt the kids who really need the help. We are fortunate to have a Pediatrician we trust and who did a lot of fact finding BEFORE resorting to medication. Perhaps your shallow views will be best shared elsewhere because you will no longer be welcome here.

[tina z]

Originally posted by suzziq03
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tina z
[B]

(((((((((((((((((Jaidness)))))))))))))))))))) I only read the op, and had it not been for who the op was (I know this wasn't posted to cause controversy, that's not what I have observed of Suzzi), would have passed this post entirely because we parents who have kids with ADD have a rough time and don't need to be bashed(I would like to give some of those"experts" that say ADD isn't real a good swift kick of reality). I hope that this makes sense. ((((((((Suzzi))))))))) in short what I am trying to say is that I think that you are a neat lady!:)



:eek: WOW. lol never thought I would hear those words and my name spoke in the same sentance in here.! thank you very much Tina!!! man talk about making someones day!:D :cool:

((((((((((((((Suzzi)))))))))))))) This is what I have observed of you. I am glad that I helped make your day.:cool: :) :) :) :) :)

[mewoman]

suzzi...email me, I have another idea for your DS. It has worked wonders with mine.

email ([email protected])

[Lasher]

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[shell76]

Originally posted by annie169
I have a friend whose son is ADHD. And discipline??? They are stick to the rod parents.! But for Cody, they use an herbal preparation with Kava Kava andd Valerian Root in it and it works good for Cody. Maybe try that?? Hope it helps!!

Kava Kava is EXTREMELY dangerous and is BANNED in some countries! Kava causes severe liver damage. Please do not give this to children or take it yourself!

http://www.kava-alert.com/

http://www.holisto.com/article/article_2002_04_13_4142.php


Also, if you have your child tested for a caffeine allergy an allergy skin test will usually not work.




Due to caffeine's antihistamine properties, a skin test for caffeine allergy may be negative.

Several laboratory tests may be used as markers for allergic toxicity. A detectable Theophylline level in a patient not receiving Theophylline therapy, and an elevated CPK level are indicative of caffeine toxicity. Along with these, an increased glucose level (10,49) and an elevated white blood count (1,49) may also be significant of toxicity, as many patients assumed afflicted with mental disorders present with elevation of these (1,50). An elevated sedimentation rate, indicative of inflammatory processes, might signify rhabdomyolysis.

http://doctoryourself.com/caffeine_allergy.html



This deteriorating course of mental symptoms starts with attention deficit symptoms, mimicking ADD. The higher the CPK, the greater the muscle inflammation, and the deeper into toxic psychosis a person spirals.


Several laboratory tests may be used as markers for caffeine allergy. A Theophylline and a CPK level will help to determine caffeine allergy. If theophylline is detected, or the CPK level is abnormal, caffeine allergy and toxic psychosis should be suspected.

http://mentalhealth.about.com/library/yourturn/uc061401.htm

[momfromTN]

I have a friend who has 2 boys, now ages 13 and 16. When they were younger, they were never taught to clean up after themselves or to have any responsibilities. Their grandma babied them and the friend and her husband would have fights over this concerning her parents also babying the kids. They were never disciplined. Now she has 2 kids that are supposedly ADD and are on medication. They won't do anything she tells them to do without a fight or whining and the younger one wont do his schoolwork, and she tells me its his ADD but the kid sure can sit still for a movie or video games. I know some kids DO have this ADD but I also think the schools especially tend to play doctor too much and want too many kids on the medicine and don't want to deal with the kids. My friend also didn't want to discipline her kids and now she is depressed all the time over them. While some kids genuinely DO have ADD/ADHD and need help, I also think that Poonies post did have some merit, but Poonie could have worded it a little more politely. I feel sorry for the parents of the ADD kids and hope things get better.

[Mom2jal]

I'm sure there are parents who try to use it as an excuse but even children with ADD can sit in front of the tv or video game for hours because it is something that interests them. When it comes to school or things they really need to pay attention to they are unable. My child's diagnosis was based on findings from myself, his teachers, and his pediatrician. No one pushed a diagnosis on us. We all worked together to come to this conclusion.

[tina z]

Originally posted by Mom2jal
I'm sure there are parents who try to use it as an excuse but even children with ADD can sit in front of the tv or video game for hours because it is something that interests them. When it comes to school or things they really need to pay attention to they are unable. My child's diagnosis was based on findings from myself, his teachers, and his pediatrician. No one pushed a diagnosis on us. We all worked together to come to this conclusion.

Yep that is what happened with my 2 that have ADD too. It isn't easy to diagnose and they had to go to counseling and several doctor's appointments to be diagnosed correctly. My dh and I also had to go to talk to the counselor to make sure that the problem was not brought on by us or by lax parenting.

I have heard that this is a way to get money by declaring your kid disabled and people use that for an excuse to get their kid diagnosed. Not true here, I have never asked for any help from the government and ADD is expensive!

We live in a wonderful age, where kids that have difficulties are helped and that there is help available for them!

[Tasha405]

My child's diagnosis was based on findings from myself, his teachers, and his pediatrician. No one pushed a diagnosis on us. We all worked together to come to this conclusion.

Same here.

{{{{Mom2}}}}

[hawley7]

i have to say of course children will be children however in saying that...spend one day with my son then one day with someone the same age that doesn't have adhd and you will understand one thing: he is different. he is very special. he has adhd but he is under treatment and is able to be with and like other children because of treatment. i thought that people were really ignorant to this disorder when my brother was young but i am absolutely sure of it now. for anyone who needs some education on add and adhd i advise strongly you contact your physician or psychiatrist. education is the key to raising successful and happy children with add and adhd good luck to all.

[ckerr4]

Originally posted by suzziq03

I told my son that if he gets good grades for a month straight ill try my hardest to get him a trampoline to play on, let him play on it for half a hour before and after he gets his homework done in a timely manor. he loves his friends trampoline. so im hopeing this works! kind of a reward to look forward too, and to earn at the same time. everyone cross your fingers for me!! * im thinking if he jumps arround for half a hour before hand he may settle down a little bit... and afterwards for a reward for doing his work...* what do you think?? good idea or not?? ( but im still taking him to the dr.)

I think this is a good idea. I don't have an ADD/ADHD kid myself, but saw a few of them when teaching middle school. Alot of the kids can succeed in a normal classroom if the teacher is understanding. For alot of the kids, a chance to move in the classroom helps immensely - whether it is activity built into the lesson or given as extra incentive to a particular child (a student can be a teacher's assistant and run errand, collect papers, pass things out, etc). I think the trampoline is a good idea becuase it acts as an incentive (if you do this, then you can play) and it would give your son a chance to release some energy and get the movement he needs. And it's good exercise!!
It's not an easy thing to deal with these kids, but the rewards are there! For some of you who are having trouble with doctors, I would suggest talking to your kids' teachers - as the teachers to write a short description of your child's behavior at school, and give this description to the doctor. The doctor can then see your child from several perspectives, not just yours (as some drs may be inclined to view a parent as biased, don't know why, lol). Also, the dr can see if there is any difference between behavior at school and at home, or if there is a change at different times of day. And if you keep the teachers updated as to what is going on with your child - new medications, times of medication, therapy, etc - then the teachers will usually be more inclined to work with you (there's nothing better than meeting a parent who cares and is involved, guaranteed;) )

Good luck to all of you - it's encouraging to see so many parents doing research and finding the best way for their kids to thrive.

[MOMMYOF2BOYZ]

Originally posted by Lora_1994
Originally posted by poonie
Adhd is a made up disorder for parents that are too lazy to discipline their children.
__________________________________________________ ________________



My children are disciplined, and their parents are not lazy ....... (walking out biting my tounge,,,HARD... b4 I get banned from BBS)


well, poonie! you should walk a mile in my shoes. this is no way made
up by parent's that are too lazy! you don't even want to get me started on this one . nuff said!

[trufflez]

Hawley7-You are so right! Education is the key. If not for education, I don't think my husband and I would still be married. When our daughter was diagnosed I read the books. Anything I could get my hands on and read alot to him. he hates to read! Thats when he recognized himself and his trials as both a child and adult. In the almost 23 years we have been married he still can't remember to take the garbage to the curb on Thursday nights without a reminder! And if not for education, I don't know where are daughter would be now.
By the way, are you related to any Hawleys in Tennessee, originally from Iowa?

[stresseater]

I don't think it was specifically directed to parents making it up. I would go more with the drug industry making it up than with parents. What parent would want to give a kid a psycotropic drug with unknown side effects to their own child unless told by someone they trusted to do it. I also find it interesting that an add child can devote so much concentration to a video game and can't do the same for something that is not as "fun" for them. I believe it may be a symptom of forcing children to grow up faster than they use to in the past . Now not only do we have kindergarten but we have pre-Kindergarten and pre school. Kids are not being allowed to grow up naturally instead they are indoctrinated into the classroom setting where they are expected to sit and be silent and learn at an earlier and earlier age. This shortens the time they are allowed to BE KIDS, and therefore learn to controll childish behavior on their own. Now I didn't read poonies post as it was gone before I got here so I don't know if her tone was insulting or not but I can see her point about it.
OK flames away(sits and wonders if we can discuss this or if I too will be erased??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )

[Mom2jal]

My son has NO adverse side effects from his medication but he is still closely monitored for them. Not having kids with ADD you DON'T know what it's like watching them fail school and get so frustrated with themselves they sob when they can't keep up. None of us wish to put our kids on medication but the alternatives for them are much too distressing. Yes Poonies post was very rude and he was punished for it. Roll your eyes at me all you like, I do not remove people just because I can. I remove them because they feel the need to attack and not discuss.

[ahippiechic]

Hugz, Mom! :p

[stresseater]

Actually you know nothing of my situation... That being said I do know what it is like to have a child who tries and tries only to fall short of the schools guidlines. She is now in her freshman year of high school and has tested out of all but one of her "special" classes. I too have cried and repeated myself blue and she has finally learned to process informaton on her own. As for not having side effects well all I can say is so far and yes that is all you can say too because there have been no long term tests done on these drugs in children. The eyeroll was because I really didn't expect for this to stay here because usually if a response is in opposition to the general consensus it is removed. I have seen this happen to many ,many other peoples post even when a personal attack is not initiated. I am sure I am not the only one who has seen this occure. I never said that you wanted to put you kid on drugs if you'll read what I put I said most of them wouldn't want to unless told by someone they trusted( Doctor,school counsler,teacheer who can't controll the kid...etc)

[Lasher]

posts get removed because ppl report them, and there are against guidelines, not because someone has a wild hair up their butt:rolleyes:

[Mom2jal]

And you know nothing of my situation. My son is not in "special" classes and he will not have to be in them because of his medication. He is an extremely bright child who happens to have trouble with concentration. As for removing posts that go against popular opinion, we only do that when the person with the opposing opinion cannot state so in a reasonable manner. There is no need to go into a thread you don't agree with solely to attack everyone else in it. It's not the way we run things around here. If you feel things are so unfair here I'm not quite sure why you bother to participate. My job is to keep the peace and I will do it no matter how many people cry unfair treatment.

[suzziq03]

MOM - I think I asked for poonie opinion due the fact of my wording of the title " is it real?". although its not what i really wanted or ment. just have difficulty wording things the way I want. {{{hugz}}}

Kids=stress - yes. we may not know your situation or what you are going through in your own house, but I ( personally ) have not seen something removed due to it going against what others have said. Now I have seen where posts / threads get removed due to people getting nasty with others just because they believe differently. But NOT because they posted a general concern or though about a subject. I do hope all in all it gets better for your Daughter. I do realize NO ONE that is a caring parent likes to watch their child fall below the " average" of what whatever guidlines the " normal" people have set for everyone.

on that note, what I dont like is that a lot of people/schools are not trying to better life for these kids that have difficulty keeping up, but would rather push the problem on to the next person. I for one would like to see a class for kids with add/adhd/bipolar and what ever problems are holding them back from learning. SEPERATE from the "special needs" classes offered for those that are falling behind due to physical or extream medical problems. I know of so many children in my son's school that is one medication, and REALLY need it. I do however realize that there are those parents that want their child on medication just so that they wont have to deal with thier children and the "bratty" ways that they themselves have helped to create in their child. But as for any and all of the parents on this board, I have seen nothing but careing, giving, parents which love their children with every ounce of human dignity and Hope for a brighter better future and put themself last when it comes to their children. and I do mean EVERYBODY on here.
I in fact have not seen on selfish act by any of the parents on this board. im sure, there are those few. but as far as what ive seen, i have not seen it. I do hope all the best for the future of your child. and please dont take this as a attack, or as something directed twards you, unless ive said or mentioned "you". im just writting what I feel and think right now, its all JMHO.

[stresseater]

I thought it was a discussion forum it is hard to discuss something if everyone thinks the same thing. I think that is just patting on the back. I chose not to medicate my child and therefore she will not have to rely on it for the rest of her life to keep her normal. Instead she has learned to cope with her problms and learn on her own. I thought the origional post asked a question. I figured giving other people a different option (from drugs) would be a good thing and if one parent who has a hyperactive kid sees this and decides to check out alternatives to drugs first then I don't see how you can condemn the way we dealt with it. After all my child will go on to be a productive member of society too and her liver hasn't had to remove medication from her system. I simply chose to handel it the way parents have through the years instead of trying the new way of dealing with it. Yes it was a lot of hours of work and a lot of anguish on both of our parts but I feel it was worth it.

[suzziq03]

Originally posted by kids=stress
I thought it was a discussion forum it is hard to discuss something if everyone thinks the same thing. I think that is just patting on the back. I chose not to medicate my child and therefore she will not have to rely on it for the rest of her life to keep her normal. Instead she has learned to cope with her problms and learn on her own. I thought the origional post asked a question. I figured giving other people a different option (from drugs) would be a good thing and if one parent who has a hyperactive kid sees this and decides to check out alternatives to drugs first then I don't see how you can condemn the way we dealt with it. After all my child will go on to be a productive member of society too and her liver hasn't had to remove medication from her system. I simply chose to handel it the way parents have through the years instead of trying the new way of dealing with it. Yes it was a lot of hours of work and a lot of anguish on both of our parts but I feel it was worth it.

and different ideas is what I was asking for. as I said he WAS on ritalin, he has not been on any medication for the past.... I believe its 3-4 years. but he is falling further and further behind in school, including having had flunked out of 2nd grade, almost 3rd, and not comming close to what he needs to know now that he is in 4th. I am having a very difficult time right now with my husband gone im used to him being able to handl my son when he got home, and calming him down some by getting on the floor and wrestling with him. I am unable to do that due to my back. That is why im looking into other options instead of meds because I really honestly dont want him on meds, im also looking inot herbs, couceling, allergic reactions, etc. and that is why I origionally posted this thread, to see what others have tried and found out what worked for them and their family. that way I have statements from people who have experianced things first hand. I do appreciate it everyone,, I really do.
and please like i said kids=stress, dont think im personally attacking you, im not. Im just a mother who is extreamly upset at herself right now for not realizing the problem sooner, and trying to correct it before school started. :(

[tina z]

Originally posted by kids=stress
I thought it was a discussion forum it is hard to discuss something if everyone thinks the same thing. I think that is just patting on the back. I chose not to medicate my child and therefore she will not have to rely on it for the rest of her life to keep her normal. Instead she has learned to cope with her problms and learn on her own. I thought the origional post asked a question. I figured giving other people a different option (from drugs) would be a good thing and if one parent who has a hyperactive kid sees this and decides to check out alternatives to drugs first then I don't see how you can condemn the way we dealt with it. After all my child will go on to be a productive member of society too and her liver hasn't had to remove medication from her system. I simply chose to handel it the way parents have through the years instead of trying the new way of dealing with it. Yes it was a lot of hours of work and a lot of anguish on both of our parts but I feel it was worth it.


Runs out of this thread screaming under her breath that some peeps just are never gonna understand what our kids go through.

[Liriell]

{{{{TINA}}}}

[stresseater]

suzziq03 my last post was a reply to mom2jal's post yu just hit the button first. After reading your last post I don't think you are slamming me I happen to agree that there are some kids who are really in need of medical intervention. My whole point is that as a society we are too quick to file way too many kids into this must have medication slot before exploring other alternatives. As you said I was just offering one of those alternatives which was what was asked for.
Runs out of this thread screaming under her breath that some peeps just are never gonna understand what our kids go through. As I have already said I DO understand what OUR kids go through. So I fail to see the point of this reply :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[ckerr4]

Originally posted by kids=stress
I never said that you wanted to put you kid on drugs if you'll read what I put I said most of them wouldn't want to unless told by someone they trusted( Doctor,school counsler,teacheer who can't controll the kid...etc)

I think that's a false generalization. First of all, some teachers cannot control some kids becuase the kids are not getting the help they need, and in many cases, that help includes proper medication. I personally have seen kids who have been off the medication and then on it, and have seen the incredible difference in those kids' behaviors. I have also seen teachers who are more than willing to put more kids on medication. But I also know that there is no harm in teachers and parents talking about the possibility togther. The reason I asy that is that of course parents know and understand their children better than anyone. But teachers (especially in the elementary years) spend a great portion of the day with your children, and sometimes will have a different perspective on certain behaviors. In that regard, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying to a parent, "your child might have ADD/ADHD - have you ever had him tested?" The parent can either say, "no, and I won't," "no, but I'll look into it, "or yes, and he is/isn't on medication." The truth is that a teacher may never know a child's situation unless she asks, because in many schools, that information is not given to the teachers up front. To provide the best learning envrionment possible for a child, a teacher needs to know if there are special circumstances. I think that in many cases, a teacher may ask about or suggest medication not in an attempt to dope up one more kid, but in an attempt to help a child. A suggestion to see a doctor is not the same as a command to start a child on medication. There are ways to maintain classroom control, but some kids do need special help, whether that help be peer tutoring, trips to the resource lab, extra discipline, therapy, or medication, among other things. For some kids, the medication is the best route - not for all, mind you, but for some, and I would not be willing to discount it as automatically dangerous or bad since each child should be an individual case.

JMO.

[stresseater]

In that regard, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying to a parent, "your child might have ADD/ADHD - have you ever had him tested?" The parent can either say, "no, and I won't," "no, but I'll look into it, "or yes, and he is/isn't on medication
I don't think there is a problem talking about it with the school personel. Unfortunatly the replies are a bit off the parent doesn't always get the option to say
"no, and I won't," or "or yes, and he /isn't on medication There a many cases where parrents were either forced to medicate or either have thier kids removed from school or even face jail time . That is where I have a problem when they have the right to tell you you have to do this .

[Tasha405]

My son who just turned 11 and is in the 6th grade has ADHD. We have been through 3 different meds so far and this one seems to be working. They just put him on the Adderall XR. He has only been on it for 3 weeks but I have already gotten letters from his teachers saying that they can see a change in him, he is staying in his seat for the most part and is turning in work and doing good. YAY! I am so happy. These meds ain't a cure all, but they do help in major ways. His Dr. explained ADD/ADHD to me like this. She said ADD/ADHD is like a chemical imbalance in the brain. She said to look at your hand, the palm would be the brain cells and your fingers would be stems they have that connects to one another. When these stems connect, they help us concentrate, help us focus, help us be able to think about 2 or 3 tasks at a time and so on. Well people with ADD/ADHD, their brain stems don't connect, if they do, they don't stay connected for long. Thats what causes them to not be able to do school work, homework, chores and such. They can't help it, they can't stay focused long enough to get the job done. Well these meds help the stems connect and stay that way, there for they can take care of the tasks they need to do.

This is something that is really hard to get control of. It takes a lot of help from teachers, Dr.'s and family. It not only stresses the kid that has ADD/ADHD but it puts stress on the whole family. {{{hugs}}} to all of you who have kids or family memebers that suffer from ADD/ADHD or you yourself suffer from it.

[trufflez]

After our daughter was first diagnosed a good friend gave me this poem to stick in my billfold and I still carry it all these years later.


Welcome To Holland
By Emily Perl Kingsley
c1987 by Emily Perl Kingsley. All rights reserved .

I am often asked to describe the experience of raising a child with a disability - to try to help people who have not shared that unique experience to understand it, to imagine how it would feel. It's like this......

When you're going to have a baby, it's like planning a fabulous vacation trip - to Italy. You buy a bunch of guide books and make your wonderful plans. The Coliseum. The Michelangelo David. The gondolas in Venice. You may learn some handy phrases in Italian. It's all very exciting.

After months of eager anticipation, the day finally arrives. You pack your bags and off you go. Several hours later, the plane lands. The stewardess comes in and says, "Welcome to Holland."

"Holland?!?" you say. "What do you mean Holland?? I signed up for Italy! I'm supposed to be in Italy. All my life I've dreamed of going to Italy."

But there's been a change in the flight plan. They've landed in Holland and there you must stay.

The important thing is that they haven't taken you to a horrible, disgusting, filthy place, full of pestilence, famine and disease. It's just a different place.

So you must go out and buy new guide books. And you must learn a whole new language. And you will meet a whole new group of people you would never have met.

It's just a different place. It's slower-paced than Italy, less flashy than Italy. But after you've been there for a while and you catch your breath, you look around.... and you begin to notice that Holland has windmills....and Holland has tulips. Holland even has Rembrandts.

But everyone you know is busy coming and going from Italy... and they're all bragging about what a wonderful time they had there. And for the rest of your life, you will say "Yes, that's where I was supposed to go. That's what I had planned."

And the pain of that will never, ever, ever, ever go away... because the loss of that dream is a very very significant loss.

But... if you spend your life mourning the fact that you didn't get to Italy, you may never be free to enjoy the very special, the very lovely things ... about Holland.

[mewoman]

I think I'm gonna have to respond again...
Kids=stress---I agree, there are way too many doctors ready to fill those rx's with very little provication. Unfortunately, there are also a lot of parents and teachers that want the same thing and haven't learned how to parent a child...ie; a normal child.

However, having said that. In some cases, parents, doctors, teachers, and child care workers fill out forms rating different things about the child to see if that child has ADHD...( at least that's what we did in my case). This way, there is less of a chance of a misdiagnosis. I believe that if dr's continued to do this, there would be less children on the wrong meds.

I really in truly wish my son could get off of his meds, but right now, there is no proven healthy alternative. Until there is, I will have to monitor him and his health while on meds.
He has already been tested for allergies...he is not reacting to caffiene, since neither of my kids gets much caffeine, since they don't get a lot of chocolate and rarely get soda.

I guess what I am saying is that both side of this debate are correct in some way. Us parents of ADHD children are very sensitive to any type of criticism, because sometime people don't bother to even try to understand. So, don't take it personally if we don't agree with you as long as you are trying to understand, not condemn.

[trufflez]

So easy for us as parents to be sensitive to this issue! Why? My child has been hurt in so many ways. She has been beaten up. There are teachers that have either been taught so little about ADHD or are so burned out that they don't follow the IEP's (Individual Education Program) that by law they are suppose to go by. Teachers also get so sick of seeing us parents that they take their frustrations regarding us out on our children. Our children are covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act, but when it comes to getting a job, employers have ways to get around it and not hire our children. This disorder affects us every second, every minute every hour of our day. Our minds work overtime trying to find a solution. Our emotions are up & down constantly, and we are doing everything we can do make sure we control our children and not them control us.

I am my daughters best advocate. The schools followed the law, only because of me. Employees hire her now, because of herself and what she has learned from me. And I'm still teaching her and will till the day I'm gone. Now it's more enjoyable. She's an adult and we are friends.

Just had to say this!

[Raining]

trufflez-- what a wonderful poem!! it explains it exactly!

I too have an ADHD child who has gotten better with meds. honor roll last year for 3 out of 4 semesters. Still has some bad days and still needs alot of work in other areas but its lots better than when she wasnt on meds. Trial and error at first, but now I think we are in the right direction.

[suzziq03]

raining thats great! congrats to your daughter and you! Thats great to hear when one of the kids goes from below average to an A/B student, so many sucess stories in here :) HORAY FOR THE KIDS!

trufflez Great poem! thank you for sharing that, I think I recall reading this in Ann Landers colum at one time, but never recalled the name of it. thank you again....and I totally agree with you on being your own childs advocate, so true!

[smeans]

just wanted to pop in and give every one hugs:)

(((((HUGS)))))

[gemini26]

Kids=stress- Children with ADHD or ADD can and will watch cartoons and like to play video games because they are constantly moving. It does not require them to concentrate for long periods of time. I know that personally for my daughter Ritalin has been great. She has been on the same dosage for three years now with no side effects. She is constantly learning how to control behavior and concentration and over time I do expect her to be able to get off the meds. In a lot of studies some people can get off of it once they reach puberty because some chemical reaction in their brain can be improved with the changes of puberty. Mind you I said some! Especially girls for whatever reason. I did tons of research before I got her on the meds and we had to do surveys and interviews with the dr many times, both my husband and myself. Also the dr did the same thing with her teachers and caregivers. It was not a quick fix but the difference is truly amazing!! If you think there is no anguish or heartache with using the "new" method as in your "old" method there is. My daughter can still have an off day although they are far and few between and there probably always will be but it makes us better people. I am not flaming you for doing things your way but those of us that chose meds after much research should not be 'flamed' by you either. We are all adults that decided to take the best course for our children!!
Also my daughter was in speech therapy, fine motor skills therapy, large motor skills therapy, reading therpay, just about any type of therapy that you can think of. She was able to exit out of all of these because the meds helped her to concentrate better and therefore understand things better. She now only gets a little help with title one reading and she is borderline for qualifying for that. I let her because she enjoys reading, enjoys the games, and it helps her out with comprehension.

[suzziq03]

Originally posted by smeans
just wanted to pop in and give every one hugs:)

(((((HUGS)))))


very nice of you! ty smeans! {{{{{{{right back at you }}}}}} :)

[schsa]

I am bi-polar and anyone who spends time reading about mental health disorders knows that doctors really don't know what works and what doesn't. They really don't know why one child cannot sit still and read a book while another can sit all day long and be completely content.

I know the rage that comes out of nowhere and it is nothing short of a blaze of red. And I was an adult before I was diagnosed. You do what is best for your kids. For some, it could be a food allergy. For others it could be a chemical imbalance. Either way there is help. No it isn't easy getting the help you need and yes it is common for a person with a chemical disorder to go through several medications before you find the one that works.

Speaking for myself, I am so very grateful that there are drugs out there that I can take to control my chemical imbalance. Without them, I was a mess.

[tina z]

((((((((((schsa and the others who are being kind in this thread)))))))))))))

[DeeK822]

ADHD is heartbreaking. I admire parents who face this challenge every minute of every day of their lives.

Unfortunately, there is some pretty strong evidence that ADHD is only the juvenile form of Bipolar Disorder. These poor people may struggle the rest of their lives with a "mental illness" label haunting them.

ADHD is no more a parents' fault than if their child were leukemic or had a brain tumor. This disorder isn't predictable either. If it were predictable, it would be a strong support for the abortion supporters, for sure. (Please re-read that and see that I am not supporting abortions here. Just commenting).

Everyone, including Poonie, has the right to their opinion and a right to verbalize it as long as we remain a country governed, in part, by our amendments. We, who disagree with someone's opinion, have the right to rebut or simply BLOW IT OFF.

Again, only MY opinion.... but, I don't think someone exercising their right to speak their opinion should be banned, exciled, or stoned.

[smeans]

(((((DeeK822))))


very well said!

:)

[Tasha405]

I don't think someone exercising their right to speak their opinion should be banned, exciled, or stoned.I kind of agree with that. Everyone does have a right to their own opinion but what poonie said wasn't an opinion. It was a rude remark that I took personally. If it was poonies opinion, it could have been said in a nicer way. It was almost like bashing all the people here who deal with ADD/ADHD.

[Katt]

Originally posted by DeeK822
Everyone, including Poonie, has the right to their opinion and a right to verbalize it as long as we remain a country governed, in part, by our amendments. We, who disagree with someone's opinion, have the right to rebut or simply BLOW IT OFF.

Again, only MY opinion.... but, I don't think someone exercising their right to speak their opinion should be banned, exciled, or stoned.

You are right, everyone does have the right to an opinion. However, if it isn't an opinion, just a way to come in and attack someone, or their children or parenting skills in this case, that will be edited. This has been the rule of this forum for as long as it has been running. Alex's main rule has always been, "If you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all". Members are not banned for their opinion. As well, this member was not banned for his opinion on ADD. However, if you go into threads, simply to make hateful remarks (which, if anyone wants to step up and be critical of the mods for doing their job, they should take the time to run through the posts of the person they are defending, and make sure the hateful comments weren't a regular occurance :rolleyes:) you will be removed. Also...as in this case again, if you reregister after being removed for whatever reason, you will be removed again. I'm sorry if this offends some, but our job usually does, and will continue to do so, as long as we uphold the rules that Alex has made for his forum.

[shell76]

Katt, I'm not trying to "rock the boat" or anything, because I LOVE this site, but I looked through poonie's posts, and I just don't understand why she was banned....It seems that poonie is just the type of person that makes short quick posts (unlike people like me that write pages worth of stuff). She states her opinion and leaves it at that. I believe that she was just stating her opinion, and it looks like she was banned because she upset a mother of a child with ADD (that just so happens to also be a mod).

I understand that you guys work hard to make this site great, but for a mod to ban a member because the member offended her, seems extremely unfair and wrong! I have been offended by many people on this site, but I have never complained, as I can understand that Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

I also believe that in many cases children are misdiagnosed with ADD or other disorders. There are many different things that can cause the same problems(i.e. food allergies, diseases, etc...), and one of them is parents that do not properly discipline their children. I have seen many children whose parents just dope them up with meds and call it a day. I do understand that there are many children that suffer with ADD, but perhaps poonie has only seen the ones with lousy parents.

I think it was completely uncalled for to ban her. And that is just my opinion, and I hope that I am not banned for saying it.

Peace!:)

[trufflez]

I understand the mods jobs around here and have never questioned them and never will. I didn't read the offending post, only an excerpt. I just know that as a parent for years my ability was questioned by other parents. My habits as a pregnant mother were questioned. My actions to help my child were questioned. My daughter has never been hugged or told I love you by her grandmother (MIL) because I made my daughter into the way she is. "You didn't work! Thats why she acts this way!" TV questions us. Thats why I am so strong willed and will continue to be for these kids. My daughter has suffered a thousand deaths from all the people that have belittled her, humiliated her. Thank God she is at the age to stand up for herself now. To me when a person makes an uneducated opinion like that it is no different then critisizing a person due to their race or religion. And this board isn't the place for it.

[ckerr4]

quite frankly (IMO), poonie's had it coming. No offense meant, but he/she would come into offtopic and insert rude and nasty remarks on a regular basis, with no explanation or reason. I think the mods were well within their rights to ban that particular member, as the habit of being nasty and entering threads for the purpose of degrading others was a long-standing occurrence.

[shell76]

trufflez, I am wondering if you saw the extremely racist post on here a few days ago about reparations. That poster was not banned. I am wondering if you have to be part of the BigBig "clique" to keep from getting banned. I often feel left out as my posts go ignored or unanswered by the "Biggies" around here. poonie looked like she had the same problem. I guess I should quietly bow out of this post, as I do not seem to be in a position to question the actions of the mods around here......

[Lasher]

Originally posted by trufflez
I understand the mods jobs around here and have never questioned them and never will. I didn't read the offending post, only an excerpt. I just know that as a parent for years my ability was questioned by other parents. My habits as a pregnant mother were questioned. My actions to help my child were questioned. My daughter has never been hugged or told I love you by her grandmother (MIL) because I made my daughter into the way she is. "You didn't work! Thats why she acts this way!" TV questions us. Thats why I am so strong willed and will continue to be for these kids. My daughter has suffered a thousand deaths from all the people that have belittled her, humiliated her. Thank God she is at the age to stand up for herself now. To me when a person makes an uneducated opinion like that it is no different then critisizing a person due to their race or religion. And this board isn't the place for it.


just to clarify, that one line was the entire post.

[Lasher]

Originally posted by shell76
trufflez, I am wondering if you saw the extremely racist post on here a few days ago about reparations. That poster was not banned. I am wondering if you have to be part of the BigBig "clique" to keep from getting banned. I often feel left out as my posts go ignored or unanswered by the "Biggies" around here. poonie looked like she had the same problem. I guess I should quietly bow out of this post, as I do not seem to be in a position to question the actions of the mods around here......


while I did not like the comments made in the letter, as I remember correctly, the OP never took a stance on it one way or the other.

[shell76]

ckerr4, other than this post, I only saw TWO posts where poonie made statements that upset people. And neither of them were anything like some of the harsh, hateful, degrading remarks that many of us have received from other posters on here.

She replied to a post about a woman that had fixed up a room for her mother with something like, "It must suck to have your mother living with you."....Perhaps it would to many people.

And she replied to a woman who was very upset about her husband's ex-wife's actions, that "she wondered what the husband must have done to the ex-wife when they were married to cause her to act like that.".... And to me that seemed like a very reasonable question. It is easy to complain about people on here, but perhaps the woman that posted should consider that there ARE two sides to the story. Who knows what that man did to that woman? Perhaps, she should look into that situation a little closer instead of bashing the ex wife.

[Mom2jal]

Originally posted by shell76
trufflez, I am wondering if you saw the extremely racist post on here a few days ago about reparations. That poster was not banned. I am wondering if you have to be part of the BigBig "clique" to keep from getting banned. I often feel left out as my posts go ignored or unanswered by the "Biggies" around here. poonie looked like she had the same problem. I guess I should quietly bow out of this post, as I do not seem to be in a position to question the actions of the mods around here......

As amusing as it is to hear about some "BigBig Clique" every time I ban someone, this was not the first time I banned Poonie. He was banned under another username for continuous rudeness once before and when I discovered he had reregistered and continued the same behavior I banned him once again. If I were to ban someone everytime I felt like it there probably wouldn't be a member in sight once PMS hit.

[DeeK822]

we don't make the rules and the mods have every right to ban whoever they like (or dislike). As I previously stated, we have the right to rebut or blow it off if we don't agree with someone.

I am just the kind of person that has a wide tolerance for the frailties and misbehaviors of others. For all I know, poonie may have been an ADHD child, now suffering from bipolar herself, and some of her abrasiveness people feel may not be able to be helped. On the other hand, perhaps she's just opinionated on certain subjects like we all are (don't get me started about idiots having the right to bear arms).

I'm more prone to want to help guide someone closer to a more healthy state of mind rather than sit in judgment and condemn. I'm real happy that God didn't assign me that job.

Actually, I don't think he assigned it to anyone.

[Katt]

I'm more prone to want to help guide someone closer to a more healthy state of mind rather than sit in judgment and condemn. I'm real happy that God didn't assign me that job.

It seems you are doing a good job of condemning us for doing our job. Poonie was NOT a she, he was a HE who had been banned before for the same exact behavior at an earlier time. I'm so glad that everyone here feels the need to pass judgment, not knowing the ip numbers of members, and who has registered 3 and 4 and on and on times. Now, this thread has taken on the path of so many before. It is NOT about how you approve of how we do our jobs. OP feel free to repost it. To the others who disagree with the rules and upholding of them on this forum, alex's email is [email protected] Since he is the one who made them, perhaps you can tell him how unfair it is to Ban someone that reregisters and continually stirs the pot. As for this post, it is now closed. *wonders why no one takes note on how the ones that slam us are still here, yet we seem to ban everyone who disagrees with the mods*