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zitra · 01-14-2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Mom2B&L
I don't normally post to political discussions but this one, and some of the comments, really upsets me. General AMERICAN history tells us that unless we are of Native American Descent we are all "foreigners" of some sort. The United States was built on the beliefs that everyone, EVERYONE, deserves a fair chance at LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I know the "lets take care of our own" attitude would lead one to believe that illegal aliens don't belong and should be sent back but that type of attitude is the same that says I refuse to work 8 hrs a day for minimum wage. Many immigrants, whether legal or illegal, are willing to work jobs that many native born Americans consider worthless. This type of perserverance, dedication, and want for a better life is what makes many immigrants very hard workers. They, unlike many of us, have been paid monthly what many of us make in a couple of days. I still believe there should be a screening process for immigration and citizenship but I also think we should REMEMBER WHERE OUR ROOTS CAME FROM and give everyone a chance to earn their keep. I am a native born American but my great grandfather came from Germany. I am sure he was also considered an "alien" when he entered the country. Take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself if you want your children to see the example you are setting. It is my opinion that everyone deserves a chance for a decent, honest life. IF that means leaving their home country and coming here, then so be it. This way, they pay taxes, contribute to the society they live in, and hopefully become Americans.

ITA with you..I myself have grandparents on both sides that came over from Ireland, as well as English and Welsh relatives, and except for the small part of Native Americna thrown into the mix..ALL of my relatives were immigrants (including the English~they were not born here, and therefore were immigrants)..IMO EVERYONE except thos ewho are full blooded Native Americans are descended from immigrants..

babymaniac · 01-14-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Donnagg123
I am sorry, but just because you happen to have a step daughter who is half Mexican does not exclude you from being called a racist for a statement that you make. That is the same as if I were to say that I have black friends so I can call any black person the N word or make derogitory statements about them because I am out of the boundaries of being racist.

No,that alone does not mean that I am not a racist .But just because the thought of MILLIONS of illegals being here and the fact that Bush wants to pat them on the a**, makes me want to puke , does not make me a racist either .I know full well that this country is full of immigrants from all over the world .I do not have a problem with immigrants .I have a huge freaking problem with ILLEGAL immigrants.Heck, some of those people may not have even been vaccinated.Who knows ? We have no idea which of them is a murderer ,rapist , or worse .Some might even be preachers .But we have the right to know who is living here.Period.And once someone has avoided coming here the legal way we should NEVER reward that by letting them stay .So call me a racist but you and I both know that is not the real issue.I do not feel sorry for the first one of them.

ckerr4 · 01-15-2004, 12:10 AM

lol, there are people on this board who don't get their children vaccinated. That's not the real issue either.

To me the real issue is why was it okay for so long for people to come here, and then once there was this nice population of white people, was it okay for all the white people to say, "now we're going to make laws restricting everyone else from coming over"? That's when all the laws started. The people already here didn't want Asian people, Southern European, Eastern European, African, Mexican people to come here.

Sure, it's political. It's also cultural. And yes, to a large extent, for many people, the underlying problems are racist. I think many people wouldn't even NOTICE if the immigrants (illegal or legal) were from England or Irealnd. But since they're from Mexico - oh no, those people are SO DIFFERENT! lmao.

babymaniac · 01-15-2004, 12:15 AM

Who said I am white ?http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

JENNIFERCATLADY · 01-15-2004, 02:39 AM

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Just a few more thoughts... Why would any of us be expected to feel sympathy for felons .Illegal aliens have committed a felony .If Charles Manson makes a prison break tomorrow , is it acceptable for the government to give him free housing ,and food ,and an education ,and let him live tax free as well ? Of course not . Who would want an escaped felon roaming our streets???? Nobody. But that is exactly what we are expected to be ok with everyday .They should be collected and sent back .Period .The Country being on a code orange security alert is a joke.How are we safe when the government turns a blind eye to millions of illegals ?

I read the other day that a border patrol officer drown while chasing a bunch of Illegal Aliens. Yup, let's go find those illegal aliens and give them a nice big reward.

JKATHERINE · 01-15-2004, 08:38 AM

Well said, Jennifer.

I also want to say, what happens when we let all these "illegal immigrants" have legal status and they tell all their friends back home. Are the flood gates open then?

I don't care what race they are or where they're from. We do not need any more people in the U.S. We are overcrowded as it is! I love people of all races and this is the "land of the free" but what kind of life are we all to have if the entire country is eventually made up of houses and tenement buildings within a few feet of each other just to accomodate our ever-growing population? I value my space and I'll be damned if I work hard all my life to share my precious space with someone who doesn't belong here. JMO

momfromTN · 01-15-2004, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by *chelle*
Well i don't think what Clinton did was anyones business
in the first place other than his wifes - JMO

I personally don't give a rip who does him either, but he LIED under oath, which, again, if you or I did it, we would have done some jail time. That was my point.

Mom2B&L · 01-15-2004, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by JKATHERINE
Well said, Jennifer.

I also want to say, what happens when we let all these "illegal immigrants" have legal status and they tell all their friends back home. Are the flood gates open then?

I don't care what race they are or where they're from. We do not need any more people in the U.S. We are overcrowded as it is! I love people of all races and this is the "land of the free" but what kind of life are we all to have if the entire country is eventually made up of houses and tenement buildings within a few feet of each other just to accomodate our ever-growing population?

{I value my space and I'll be damned if I work hard all my life to share my precious space with someone who doesn't belong here.** JMO

The problem is...who decides which people get to stay and which people get to leave. Many illegal aliens leave their countries in search of a better place. Who are we to deny them the opportunities that were/are afforded us AND printed very clearly in our Constitution...supposedly the backbone of our country. Maybe we should just shred it and lets all go back to our home countries ?!?!?!

JKATHERINE · 01-15-2004, 07:53 PM

The people who are here LEGALLY get to stay, the ones here ILLEGALLY get the boot. Isn't this what this conversation's all about?

Mom2B&L · 01-15-2004, 08:24 PM

Yes, it is but the problem with that is our process of immigration takes an eternity and is very complicated. Many "illegal" aliens may not survive long enough to get through that process. Make them honest...pay their taxes, earn a living, and CONTRIBUTE like the rest of us. I say get rid of those with terrorist ties/backgrounds but let the others stay..it's obvious they aren't causing us severe economic damage right now, especially since they have been here for years already.