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Old 01-13-2004, 10:30 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Immigrants aren't taking ANYTHING from America. What are they doing coming over here and attacking us and stealing our jobs and mugging us of all things? lol Reality flash no they aren't. The truth be told is they're willing to work HARDER for less money. I'm not going to complain about immigrants stealing jobs. Instead I'll work all the harder. If they're gonna work might as well let em pay for taxes as well all LEGALLY. Anyway all this is is a lil competition. Don't want to get your job taken by "immigrants"? Work a little harder is all I have to say about it. If those not willing to work harder and complain about jobs being stolen maybe it's those people who doesn't deserve to live in America. Not immigrants who are willing to work just as hard.
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Old 01-13-2004, 10:36 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I am a hardworking and intelligent latina who is fluent in 5 languages, and yes one of them is SPANISH. I own my interior decorating business and live a very comfortable life. Believe me, I didn't get to this point by expecting anything from anybody. It all happened with hard work! While I can truly agree with some of the comments here, there is the above one that made me come out of "lurker mode." First to let you know "babymaniac" that sadly your remark says alot about the kind of person you are and most important I can guarantee you there is NOT one mexican illegal or legal that would even SPIT on
Osama!!! Muchless do his dirty work!!! I'm not here to argue back and forth with you. My time is too valuable for all that. I'm simply here to speak my peace just like you did so many times regarding this subject. I do wonder if you would have the guts to go up to a latino/latina and make your "Osama" remark to their face...for your own safety I would not suggest it, keep on doing what you do best, hiding behind your PC!!!
I am glad you work hard and speak English. .It sets a nice example that I wish others would follow. As far as making the Osama comment to an illegal's face , I would gladly do that . The sad part is , they would not understand a word I say as they refuse to learn English .I am not a mean person .But I do love my America and I think the president has lost his mind.That is just my opinion and it is a fair one . Have a nice day.
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Old 01-13-2004, 10:48 PM   #47 (permalink)
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"Osama should really consider hiring Mexicans to do his dirty work since they are allowed to roam free here."



Have been a "lurker" here for awhile, but I knew I had to come out of that mode when I saw this thread.
I am a hardworking and intelligent latina who is fluent in 5 languages, and yes one of them is SPANISH. I own my interior decorating business and live a very comfortable life. Believe me, I didn't get to this point by expecting anything from anybody. It all happened with hard work! While I can truly agree with some of the comments here, there is the above one that made me come out of "lurker mode." First to let you know "babymaniac" that sadly your remark says alot about the kind of person you are and most important I can guarantee you there is NOT one mexican illegal or legal that would even SPIT on
Osama!!! Muchless do his dirty work!!! I'm not here to argue back and forth with you. My time is too valuable for all that. I'm simply here to speak my peace just like you did so many times regarding this subject. I do wonder if you would have the guts to go up to a latino/latina and make your "Osama" remark to their face...for your own safety I would not suggest it, keep on doing what you do best, hiding behind your PC!!!
Good for you! I fully agree. I can't understand some people's ignorant, racist comments. Stereotyping. If you're going to argue, do it intelligently.

And the thing about Spanish being taught in schools. In most schools there are OTHER options such as French, etc. Spanish just happens to be the second most useful language in the USA. I don't get whoever posted that tangent about Spanish being taugh in schools and how thathad to do with the government kissing their a**? And no I'm not Spanish or anything. I just hate it when people complain about being "mugged and robbed" of their jobs. Want it? Work harder. Cuz you're not being robbed of anything. Want a farming job? Go right ahead and see what a REAL day of hard toil is like..
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:14 PM   #48 (permalink)
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great opinions so be it and silvermist i agree
do you think these realy want to break the law by coming here,to work a crap job,get paid pennies,not understand the english launguage?they come here because this is America most of us came from immagrants
all they want is to work and have a better life for their familys
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:19 PM   #49 (permalink)
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There's a big difference between immigrants and illegal aliens.
Immigrants are here legally, paying taxes like the rest of us.
Illegal aliens don't.
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:37 PM   #50 (permalink)
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My daughter was not given the option of taking French until high school. My 9 year old has to take Spanish as does my 6 year old step-daughter.They are not given a choice.By the way , my step daughter is half-Mexican ,so to call me a racist is crap.
You are right about how hard farm work is . I know because my husband and I own a farm .We raise tobacco and cattle.Lots of local people come to us for work .Most have lost their factory jobs. They work their tails off from dawn 'till dusk.They are Americans ,not illegals.So I can say first hand that all illegals are not doing work that Americans will not.

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Old 01-14-2004, 12:12 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I am glad you work hard and speak English. It sets a nice example that I wish others would follow. As far as making the Osama comment to an illegal's face , I would gladly do that . The sad part is , they would not understand a word I say as they refuse to learn English . I am not a mean person .But I do love my America and I think the president has lost his mind.That is just my opinion and it is a fair one . Have a nice day.
But whether you are mean or nice, people will continue to argue, and call you racist, regardless of who is in your family (per your later post) as long as you make statements like this.

There are many many immigrants, legal and legal, who would understand much of what you would say to them. Immigrants understand a great deal more English than that for which you are giving them credit. As for refusing to learn English? Hardly. Are immigrants in language classes all day? Lol, no. They have families to support, the same as you and I. But they are learning English, on the job, at their churches, in the community, from their kids. I've never talked to an immigrant, legal or illegal who didn't make an effort to talk to me in English. And in return, I use what Spanish I know. We fill in the rest with gestures and expressions.

There is a misunderstanding about how the ESL and bilingual education systems work. Understand that there is a difference between one language class, which surely is not detrimental to a child's education, no matter which language class it is, and instruction in another language all day long.

Now, as for the President's mind...I'll not say he ever had a grip, lol. And I'll not even agree that this is a good solution. But something has to be done. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away. Pretending illegal immigrants aren't here won't solve the crisis. And acting as if they aren't humans, and productive members, in most cases, of the community (if we would let them be) is so far beyond compassion that it should be alien to us as individuals and as a nation.
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Old 01-14-2004, 12:29 AM   #52 (permalink)
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And I'll not even agree that this is a good solution. But something has to be done. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.
We could send them home and work out a better system for keeping illegals out of the country.
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I can almost get this. Are you trying to say that allowing whomever can run the fastest to come into the country is a big security risk? If so I will agree with that.
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There is a misunderstanding about how the ESL and bilingual education systems work. Understand that there is a difference between one language class, which surely is not detrimental to a child's education, no matter which language class it is, and instr
In Oklahoma City schiils they start forcing spanish on them from Kindergarten. This is wrong!!!!!!! We live in America and the primary(although not offically) language is English,one of the hardest languages to learn. While young kids are trying to learn english I don't think we should confuse them with other languages. Geeeze let them get our language down first and then IF they want to learn another language more power to them.
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They probably start teaching a foreign langauge at such an early age because educational studies have shown that kids who begin learning another language that early learn it more easily and retain it better. It doesn't harm the acqusition and retention of the primary language, and it isn't done in subversion of primary language acquisition. It should, if done properly, actually help language development, and academic skills in general. It's a good thing. I can't imagine not wanting my child to know another langauge. Other countries in the world teach secondary langauges from the moment kids enter school. Its academic, not political. When we make it political, we harm our children academically. The longer we wait to introduce a foreign language, the more difficult it is to learn.
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Old 01-14-2004, 03:45 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I don't know if this is just some way to get the legal latino votes or get us all off on this subject while something else goes down in Washington that they really would prefer we not focus on, that has been the way this president has worked from the beginning, sometimes I feel lke the American public is just like a bunch of puppets to be manipulated by the Bush administration.
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I don't know if this is just some way to get the legal latino votes or get us all off on this subject while something else goes down in Washington that they really would prefer we not focus on, that has been the way this president has worked from the beginning, sometimes I feel lke the American public is just like a bunch of puppets to be manipulated by the Bush administration.
I beg your pardon? You consider yourself a puppet? I hope not. You and I don't agree on these things, but you are a smart person and no puppet. I know I am not. I am not easily manipulated either. But, I know what you are saying since I was vehemently opposed to the 8 yrs of the Clinton era. But, that is another subject.
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