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JENNIFERCATLADY · 01-09-2004, 01:48 AM

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Illegal aliens means just that, they are here AGAINST the law. If they are so hyped up on livin here, they need to do so leagally, go through the right channels. Yes, its a long process, as it was for my Mom who moved to England, took her 2-3 years to get a 6 year visa, not a citizinship, but she did it the LEGAL way. Its not right that we have to support some one who doesnt belong in our country. Now, I dont mean that they dont belong period, they just dont belong because they are here ILLEGALLY(again, against the law) The company I work for hires seaonal Mexican workers, they pay them $2-3 MORE an hour then me and they DONT have to pay taxes. Does that sound right to you?? I think not. And one of those lovely seasonal workers didnt know how to read damn english, didnt stop at a stop sign and slammed into the side of my car, totaling it and puttin my friend in the hospital cause they hit on her side of the car, so THATS why they HAVE to be able to speak English. You go to any other country in the world and you HAVE to speak their language to get anywhere, its should be the same here. Our national language is English, there for in public, it is the language you should speak, at home its whatever you wish. Thats my opionion.

Jen-Ron to the rescue!!! I couldn't say it better myself!!!!

DBackFan · 01-09-2004, 02:20 AM

I had to go to court today with my son and I couldn't believe it. Court was at 1:00 PM so we are there on time and seated in the courtroom. A Bailiff comes in and starts a video? It is all about how to plead etc etc (this is traffic court..lol) After 15 LONG boring minutes it ended and we think court will start...WRONG! The video started OVER in Spanish!! We had to sit through another 15 minutes!! I was pissed. They could have at least subtitled the english one with Spanish or something. Talk about WRONG!

JENNIFERCATLADY · 01-09-2004, 02:28 AM

That's nuts DBack!!!! That why I say SPEAK ENGLISH!!!! If you don't know English, you should have 2 choices 1.) Learn it!!! 2.) Go home!!! Either one will work just fine for me!!!

okie · 01-09-2004, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by JENNIFERCATLADY
That's nuts DBack!!!! That why I say SPEAK ENGLISH!!!! If you don't know English, you should have 2 choices 1.) Learn it!!! 2.) Go home!!! Either one will work just fine for me!!!

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JKATHERINE · 01-12-2004, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by JENNIFERCATLADY
What happened to all the laws regarding illegal aliens? I don't care if someone has been here for 20 years and they are illegal SEND 'EM BACK!!!! We need to take care of our own first! I am tired of working 50 + hours a week and barely surviving. I hear so many times "America's great, they give you your own store and hey I'm not even a legal resident of the U.S.". Hello?!?! Does anyone see the problem with this?? While I'm at it, if you want to live here then learn ENGLISH!!!! America is NOT a Spanish, French, Asian speaking country!!!!

I agree with you, Jennifer. Also,as my husband pointed out to me, has anyone even thought about those poor men and women who work at our borders to try and keep these immigrants out? These people often risk their lives going after these people trying to sneak into our country. So then we go and give them legal status??!! What a slap in the face to the border patrol! And what kind of message are we sending to the illegal immigrants? "It's okay to break the law, we'll just reward you for it?" Something is WRONG with this picture.

DBackFan · 01-12-2004, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by JENNIFERCATLADY
That's nuts DBack!!!! That why I say SPEAK ENGLISH!!!! If you don't know English, you should have 2 choices 1.) Learn it!!! 2.) Go home!!! Either one will work just fine for me!!!

I feel the same way..lol. I travel to Mexico a LOT but I would NEVER EXPECT someone there to speak my language, it is MY problem just as it should be THEIR'S here.

schsa · 01-12-2004, 01:42 PM

Whoa! Many people who come to this country and stay illegally are not Hispanic. We have people who come here from all over the world and just drop out once they are here. That's part of the problem we had with the attack on the Twin Towers. Most of those involved, came to this country and just dropped out of sight. We as a nation had no way of knowing who was here and who wasn't. Just because the Hispanic population is the most visible doesn't mean that they aren't here legally or otherwise.

Next, yes, they don't speak English as a primary language. Where do you think Chinatown, and Little Italy came from? These were neighborhoods that developed because people who could not speak English graviated to neighborhoods where others did. But a few generations later, most people who arrived are now speaking English as a primary language. It will happen with everyone who comes to this county. Don't you think that language is a major barrier in getting the better jobs in this country? That's why these people come here and they take the jobs that no one else will. They know that they have a language problem. English is not the easiest language to learn and when you come from a village somewhere in the hills of Mexico there probably isn't an abundance of English teachers, let alone any sort of teachers.

Yes, it is hard, but the best part is that as they become part of the bigger picture, they will become American citizens and their children will be born English speaking and American citizens, the same way it happened with everyone who arrived at Ellis Island.

harloo · 01-12-2004, 05:14 PM

Latino's have the highest growth base of illegal immigrants in the US, and the President knows it and wants to capitalize on that fact.
Let's be honest, regardless of how American citizens are generous we cannot continue to allow everyone too come into this country and use public services, and accomodate coporate america's plea's for cheap uninsured workers.

With the economy in the toilets, and the war going on in Iraq it's becoming impossible. Good citizens are being laid off for cheaper workers, especially in the tech and manufacturing industries.

I don't understand why people continue too support Bush if he turns his head and looks the other way when middle class families are being affected the most.

I don't have a problem with someone wanting to come to this country, but if you want to become a U.S. citizen, go through the process. If you go to any other country you bet that you will have to go through a process before you recieve any public benefits.

babymaniac · 01-12-2004, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by schsa

Next, yes, they don't speak English as a primary language. Where do you think Chinatown, and Little Italy came from? These were neighborhoods that developed because people who could not speak English graviated to neighborhoods where others did. But a few generations later, most people who arrived are now speaking English as a primary language. It will happen with everyone who comes to this county. Don't you think that language is a major barrier in getting the better jobs in this country? That's why these people come here and they take the jobs that no one else will. They know that they have a language problem. English is not the easiest language to learn and when you come from a village somewhere in the hills of Mexico there probably isn't an abundance of English teachers, let alone any sort of teachers.

The thing is ,our government and a lot of our industries are kissing the behinds of the illegal Mexican immigrants.Sure we have illegals from all different countries .But at the same time ,our children our not expected to sit in class over an hour each week being taught , Chinese ,Arabic etc...But they are being taught Spanish. Were the parents asked about this ? If it is everywhere as it is in my school system , then no, We were not asked.And I am amazed that schools have the money for these nice Spanish lessons when our music programs are being taken away ,classrooms are crowded because of lack of teachers and one of our schools has it's Special Education class in an old janitor's closet.Sorry,but in a few generations our children will be speaking fluent Spanish ,not the other way around.
Wal-mart has every sign in English and Spanish .I cannot but anything from diapers to shampoo anymore that does not have all the instructions in English as well as Spanish .Maybe some nice Chinese illegal who doesn't speak English ,would like to know how quilted and absorbant the toilet paper she is buying is .But she is out of luck.Come here from any other country and you had better learn English .Sneak in from Mexico and we will put you in a nice place to live , feed you ,take care of your medical bills and educate your kids.All of this should keep you pretty busy while we scurry to learn Spanish so we can speak to you and make you feel even more at home.

so-bee-it · 01-13-2004, 09:52 PM

Originaly posted by babymaniac:

"Osama should really consider hiring Mexicans to do his dirty work since they are allowed to roam free here."

Have been a "lurker" here for awhile, but I knew I had to come out of that mode when I saw this thread.
I am a hardworking and intelligent latina who is fluent in 5 languages, and yes one of them is SPANISH. I own my interior decorating business and live a very comfortable life. Believe me, I didn't get to this point by expecting anything from anybody. It all happened with hard work! While I can truly agree with some of the comments here, there is the above one that made me come out of "lurker mode." First to let you know "babymaniac" that sadly your remark says alot about the kind of person you are and most important I can guarantee you there is NOT one mexican illegal or legal that would even SPIT on
Osama!!! Muchless do his dirty work!!! I'm not here to argue back and forth with you. My time is too valuable for all that. I'm simply here to speak my peace just like you did so many times regarding this subject. I do wonder if you would have the guts to go up to a latino/latina and make your "Osama" remark to their face...for your own safety I would not suggest it, keep on doing what you do best, hiding behind your PC!!!

KYgirl · 01-13-2004, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by so-bee-it
Originaly posted by babymaniac:

"Osama should really consider hiring Mexicans to do his dirty work since they are allowed to roam free here."

Have been a "lurker" here for awhile, but I knew I had to come out of that mode when I saw this thread.
I am a hardworking and intelligent latina who is fluent in 5 languages, and yes one of them is SPANISH. I own my interior decorating business and live a very comfortable life. Believe me, I didn't get to this point by expecting anything from anybody. It all happened with hard work! While I can truly agree with some of the comments here, there is the above one that made me come out of "lurker mode." First to let you know "babymaniac" that sadly your remark says alot about the kind of person you are and most important I can guarantee you there is NOT one mexican illegal or legal that would even SPIT on
Osama!!! Muchless do his dirty work!!! I'm not here to argue back and forth with you. My time is too valuable for all that. I'm simply here to speak my peace just like you did so many times regarding this subject. I do wonder if you would have the guts to go up to a latino/latina and make your "Osama" remark to their face...for your own safety I would not suggest it, keep on doing what you do best, hiding behind your PC!!!

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EXCELLENT POST "so-bee-it"