Thread: Bush Just Can't Win...

Luckily the people who live in Texas (bush's stomping ground) or Florida (jeb's stomping ground) will always have help B/C that is obviously what the deal is, You have to be related to Bush to get help??? Or live in his home state?

Disclaimer: I am by no means hoping fo ror wish ill onto those who will be in this hurricane or the next. My point is that Bush was ready for the one's that hit florida month after month, but not Louisiana & Mississippi...But now for Texas? It just doesn't make any sense.

It is funny really, I was having this conversation with my sister's just yesterday. With Texas being bettered prepared for Rita than NO was for Katrina, that Bush was going to get bashed just because it was the state of Texas.

Don't give credit to the state itself for being better prepared. Yes they had problems with the traffic flow and fuel, but no one has ever tried to evacuate a city of 2 million people before. The Texas NG was activated to help with evacuation and the shelters were well stocked with food and water for 5 DAYS. Imagine that! NO ONE was in charge in NO, that is why the looting and other crimes happened. NO was a place of mass chaos. So keep defending the democratic mayor and governor if you must. But the truth is, they screwed up. And yes, there were errors on the Federal government level also, but this fiasco started at a local level.

I could not stand Clinton and Al Gore, but I did not go around placing the blame for everything on their shoulders or just looking for anything to bash them for on a daily basis.

In my opinion.....I just think they were more prepared for Rita. They learned by Katrina's mistakes. I don't think it has ''much'' to do with Bush at all.

If i had to choose a state that I thought would be more prepared for any hurricane, I would have to choose Florida. After all, they are the closest state to where most hurricanes form. They are more likely to get hit, no matter if a hurricane goes up the coast, or passes over to the Gulf. I think its just a way of life for them, just as it is for most people in California to be prepared for an earthquake.

This last time, when the Florida Keys was evacuated, how many people refused to leave? Not many. How many people refused to leave Houston and Galvaston? Not many. How many refused to leave New Orleans for Katrina???

Can't blame the Gov't for everything.

You guys seem to forget that in New Orleans the disaster came from the critically underfunded levee system that broke.....not the hurricane itself. In fact, N.O. got little in the way of hurricane conditions compared to Mississippi and Alabama. Also....with so many underprivelaged people.....so many people couldn't get out.

I'm in Houston right now....rode out the storm last night.....and I couldn't be more thankful that I didn't try to leave in the mass hysteria. Was our city more prepared....yes. Was the state....absolutely not. And without actually living in Houston there's probably no way for you to know that. I've watched the national news station and they are not talking about a lot of the info we know here. Even after our mayor asked for trucks of gas and water and ice to be sent to evacuees stuck on the highways...it took close to 24 hours for anyone to even start trying to make it to then even though our state government said they'd already been mobilized.

Gov. Perry has a lot of questions to answer.

I must say that Mayor Bill White and his staff has been great!

Out of all fairness the people of Flordia and Texas, as a whole, have way more money then the people of NO. That in itself is a huge deal. If you are finacially able to evacuate then more than likely you will. If I knew my home had insurance on it and its contents it would be alot easier to leave it then if it wasn't covered.

Originally Posted by girlwithsoul

You guys seem to forget that in New Orleans the disaster came from the critically underfunded levee system that broke.....not the hurricane itself. In fact, N.O. got little in the way of hurricane conditions compared to Mississippi and Alabama. Also....with so many underprivelaged people.....so many people couldn't get out.

I'm in Houston right now....rode out the storm last night.....and I couldn't be more thankful that I didn't try to leave in the mass hysteria. Was our city more prepared....yes. Was the state....absolutely not. And without actually living in Houston there's probably no way for you to know that. I've watched the national news station and they are not talking about a lot of the info we know here. Even after our mayor asked for trucks of gas and water and ice to be sent to evacuees stuck on the highways...it took close to 24 hours for anyone to even start trying to make it to then even though our state government said they'd already been mobilized.

Gov. Perry has a lot of questions to answer.

I must say that Mayor Bill White and his staff has been great!

Thanks for posting, it is nice to hear things first hand. I am glad that you are safe.

Thanks...we're safe. My parents are less than a mile from here without power and here I am at my office (a house that was built last year) with full power. But even as sturdy as this office is we could feel it shaking in the force of the winds.

A little scary but we're at the tail end of all of this now....thank goodness.

Let's pray for the people of Louisiana and east Texas

Originally Posted by girlwithsoul

You guys seem to forget that in New Orleans the disaster came from the critically underfunded levee system that broke.....not the hurricane itself. In fact, N.O. got little in the way of hurricane conditions compared to Mississippi and Alabama. Also....with so many underprivelaged people.....so many people couldn't get out.

I'm in Houston right now....rode out the storm last night.....and I couldn't be more thankful that I didn't try to leave in the mass hysteria. Was our city more prepared....yes. Was the state....absolutely not. And without actually living in Houston there's probably no way for you to know that. I've watched the national news station and they are not talking about a lot of the info we know here. Even after our mayor asked for trucks of gas and water and ice to be sent to evacuees stuck on the highways...it took close to 24 hours for anyone to even start trying to make it to then even though our state government said they'd already been mobilized.

Gov. Perry has a lot of questions to answer.

I must say that Mayor Bill White and his staff has been great!

And some seem to forget that the money that has gone to Louisianna for the levees was spent on other ventures besides the levees. How did using levee money to build a casino help shore up the levees? How about the officials that were indicted for misappropriation of the levee funds? Everyone wants to go on about the levee funding and put all that on Bush's shoulders. Clinton made huge cuts in the levee funding, every administration has for the past 40 yrs. But here is the question....Let us say the levee fund was underfunded for the sake of argument....What was the money that they DID receive spent on? Why wasn't that money used to do at least some of the work?

Now people are blaming the Corp of Eng. for not doing a good job at fixing the levees. They were NOT fixing the levees, they PATCHED the levees, there has not been sufficient time to do repairs. This is the reason they have advised for residents NOT to return to NO until after hurricane season because it is going to take a minimum of 9 months to get the levees back to handle a cat 3 storm.

I guess I need to go out on the internet and find these numbers and post them. I will also find the story on the LA officials that were indicted.

I'LL BE BACK!!

Originally Posted by tngirl

And some seem to forget that the money that has gone to Louisianna for the levees was spent on other ventures besides the levees. How did using levee money help shore up the levees? How about the officials that were indicted for misappropriation of the levee funds? Everyone wants to go on about the levee funding and put all that on Bush's shoulders. Clinton made huge cuts in the levee funding, every administration has for the past 40 yrs. But here is the question....Let us say the levee fund was underfunded for the sake of argument....What was the money that they DID receive spent on? Why wasn't that money used to do at least some of the work?

Now people are blaming the Corp of Eng. for not doing a good job at fixing the levees. They were NOT fixing the levees, they PATCHED the levees, there has not been sufficient time to do repairs. This is the reason they have advised for residents NOT to return to NO until after hurricane season because it is going to take a minimum of 9 months to get the levees back to handle a cat 3 storm.

I guess I need to go out on the internet and find these numbers and post them. I will also find the story on the LA officials that were indicted.

I'LL BE BACK!!

I realize that funding for the levees were cut or misappreiated (sp..lol)for years, not just by bush, but the fact is THE FUNDING WAS CUT PERIOD!!! Thats why there was so much devistation. The "little" people had nothing to do with the decision on how to spend the money, it was the "big" people at the top, but yet they all got out safe and sound. Yet it is always the "little" people that suffer. I do not care who is to blame for the fund cutting, I just care about what they are going to do to fix it. I must add, I never thought the levees were fixed, I just "assumed" they were fixing them good enough until clean up and a good solution to keep this from ever happening again.

Originally Posted by YankeeMary

Out of all fairness the people of Flordia and Texas, as a whole, have way more money then the people of NO. That in itself is a huge deal. If you are finacially able to evacuate then more than likely you will. If I knew my home had insurance on it and its contents it would be alot easier to leave it then if it wasn't covered.

Excuse me? How the heck do you know that! I know my name says I am from TN, but we moved to FL a couple of years ago. We went through Frances and Jeanne. We did not lose everything, thankfully, but it does not mean it was easy to leave. I had to leave lots of sentimental things behind. Then, before we could clear out what was left in our moldy house (bad roof damage) people robbed us.


And I have news for you. A lot of people in FL are very poor. Go to Arcadia or to Miami sometime. I could show you very poor people in my town. Also, there are still people with tarps for roofs from last year's storms. We also did not get handed $2000. on which to waste government money on purses and strip clubs like SOME of the N.O. evacuees have done. We were grateful for any help we got, which was not a lot, considering.