Thread: remember the fla boy who killed the little girl with his "wrestling" moves, well.....

Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

Could you imagine being 56 years old in prison for killing some one when your were twelve? How long does a person have to pay a debt to society?

If that was my daughter he killed..he would be lucky to still be part of society. Murder is Murder. I am sorry...not a personal attack on you I do respect your opinion...it is just I am surprised that you would ask that question (with my way of thinking) . Another headline that makes me mad.. this Nessler boy...his mother killed the man that molested him and how does he repay society after his mother commited murder to protect him...he goes out and kills someone. Society is so twisted these days. I do see where you say he was twelve...but they said something was wrong with this boy and he had a facination with death and being violent. That should of been a warning sign.

Originally Posted by LuvBigRip

In January of 2001 a jury convicted Lionel Tate of first- degree murder for battering Tiffany Eunick to death on July 28, 1999 in the home of his mother, Ms. Grossett- Tate, a Florida state trooper, who was baby-sitting the girl.

Lionel testified that his mother was asleep in another room while he was playing a game with Tiffany in which he emulated the professional wrestlers he regarded as heroes. He stated that he body-slammed, kicked, and knee-dropped Tiffany and that he learned all of these moves from watching wrestling on television. Prosecutors said the girl's injuries — including a fractured skull, lacerated liver, fractured rib and swollen brain — indicated that the attack was extensive.

All this shows is that the injuries were indicative of the trauma sustained from doing wrestling moves. The fact that he emulated his wrestling "heroes" only shows that he had no real concept of the pain associated with this type of physical action. The event later in life is not a direct result of this prior action. The wrestling shows lack of judegment. The amount of remorse from Mr. Tate is unclear. The new charge is for armed robbery, which is fact but who knonws what the underlying circumstances of the case is?

Originally Posted by Sha

If that was my daughter he killed..he would be lucky to still be part of society. Murder is Murder. I am sorry...not a personal attack on you I do respect your opinion...it is just I am surprised that you would ask that question (with my way of thinking) . Another headline that makes me mad.. this Nessler boy...his mother killed the man that molested him and how does he repay society after his mother commited murder to protect him...he goes out and kills someone. Society is so twisted these days. I do see where you say he was twelve...but they said something was wrong with this boy and he had a facination with death and being violent. That should of been a warning sign.

Thank you for respecting my opinion. I see yours too, but if "murder is murder" then what about war and the death it brings? We. as a society, wnat to have our cake and eat it too. This why we have varying degrees of murder. THe baby sitter could have been brought up on neglagent homicide. And who is Nessler? I looked back through other post and didn't find his name. If he did indeed exhibit violent tendences then he obviously needs some form of couceling. The justice system is so screwed up, instead of follow up they release and hope of rthe best. Society suffers.

Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

All this shows is that the injuries were indicative of the trauma sustained from doing wrestling moves. The fact that he emulated his wrestling "heroes" only shows that he had no real concept of the pain associated with this type of physical action. The event later in life is not a direct result of this prior action. The wrestling shows lack of judegment. The amount of remorse from Mr. Tate is unclear. The new charge is for armed robbery, which is fact but who knonws what the underlying circumstances of the case is?

I find myself in a prediciment I am not used to. I am speechless. Let us not hold a 12 year old (considered a man in most parts of the world) responsible for his actions. That he could not have possibly heard this 6 year old girl scream in pain, and not associate that with stopping what he was doing. Children often wrestle, but to brutally batter someone and not know what you were doing is unbelievable. I don't for a moment believe that he didn't know that he was hurting her and derive some sort of pleasure at his power over her. Oh, and armed robbery is armed robbery. What circumstance could you possibly mean. The kid was armed.

Originally Posted by LuvBigRip

I find myself in a prediciment I am not used to. I am speechless. Let us not hold a 12 year old (considered a man in most parts of the world) responsible for his actions. That he could not have possibly heard this 6 year old girl scream in pain, and not associate that with stopping what he was doing. Children often wrestle, but to brutally batter someone and not know what you were doing is unbelievable. I don't for a moment believe that he didn't know that he was hurting her and derive some sort of pleasure at his power over her. Oh, and armed robbery is armed robbery. What circumstance could you possibly mean. The kid was armed.

The wrestlers on TV scream too. It could have been, in his mind all a part of the normal flow of events for a wrestling show. Otherwise an average (I won't say normal) would not have done those types of moves on another person. It is fake, did he know? Was he really aware of all the consequences of the actions he perfrormed? Do or do not the wrestlers always walk away from their wrestling matches in no real pain to come back week after week to fight again? This boy was twelve, at his age there is no way of knowing. Everyone is differnet. I have known some twelve year olds who knew the consequences of their actions, I've known others who didn't realize that what they were doing was stealing when they thought it was borrowing. THis is why children generally are not held accountable for their actions. To be honest we'd have to see the transcipts to see if he was well aware of the type of injuries he was causing and the type of out come that would be generated. A lot of children know right from wrong...others and for the most part well over 50% do not have the reason center in their brains fully developed yet.

As of the armed robbery, it is alleged, where is the gun? Just thinking from a defense lawyer frame of mind.

he's got not one.........but two victims saying what he has done this time. he beat up one and pulled a gun on another.

PLUS, he has already violated his probation/parole with leaving his house all night after an arguement with his mother.

i don't understand how anyone could think he's anything but a common criminal AND violent. i don't think that bad luck follows him around........he's just a bad seed.

hopefully, he'll be put away this time. i sure wouldn't feel safe around him and especially not my kids...........he seems to like to beat up on people smaller than him.

Originally Posted by LuvBigRip

I find myself in a prediciment I am not used to. I am speechless. Let us not hold a 12 year old (considered a man in most parts of the world) responsible for his actions. That he could not have possibly heard this 6 year old girl scream in pain, and not associate that with stopping what he was doing. Children often wrestle, but to brutally batter someone and not know what you were doing is unbelievable. I don't for a moment believe that he didn't know that he was hurting her and derive some sort of pleasure at his power over her. Oh, and armed robbery is armed robbery. What circumstance could you possibly mean. The kid was armed.

ita with this. he should have rotted in prison. i don't care if he was 86 and still in prison for killing a child when he was 12. she will never get to live her life and he shouldn't have gotten the chance either. i followed this case when it happened and it was CLEAR he meant to do it. his age was his only plus.

Originally Posted by Njean31

he's got not one.........but two victims saying what he has done this time. he beat up one and pulled a gun on another.

PLUS, he has already violated his probation/parole with leaving his house all night after an arguement with his mother.

i don't understand how anyone could think he's anything but a common criminal AND violent. i don't think that bad luck follows him around........he's just a bad seed.

hopefully, he'll be put away this time. i sure wouldn't feel safe around him and especially not my kids...........he seems to like to beat up on people smaller than him.

I don't think it was bad luck...

I never thought it was an accident (I followed the case very closely when it happened) I don't believe he should be free to have a life and if there were anything that could have been done to his mother it should have been as done as well because as I recall she was in her room when this all happened and yelled downstairs for them to be quiet or she would come down and spank them.........well if she had come down maybe that little girl would still be alive

This child obviousily needed help 6 years ago, he didnt get it, so the violence and mental illness just got worse