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Old 09-30-2009, 11:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Church Ordains Sex Offender as Minister

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Church Ordains Sex Offender as Minister
By DYLAN T. LOVAN

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (Sept. 30) -

A tiny Louisville church's newest minister is a gifted music leader and popular among its three dozen members.
Mark Hourigan is also a sex offender. Almost a decade ago, long before he joined the flock at the City of Refuge Worship Center, he was convicted of sexually abusing an 11-year-old boy in central Kentucky. Hourigan served a five-year sentence and the 41-year-old was placed on Kentucky's sex offender registry for the rest of his life.

A former leader at the church along with an abuse victims advocacy group say Hourigan is a risk to hurt another child and he should not have been placed in a position of authority.

"He's still a threat" to children, said Cal Pfeiffer, who was abused by a Catholic priest as a young student in Louisville in the late 1950s and early 60 s.
Pfeiffer and experts on religion and sexual abuse believe it could be the first time a convicted sex offender has been knowingly ordained as a minister in a Christian church.

"It sets a precedent," said Pfeiffer, a member of a group that has protested Hourigan's ordination. "It elevates him to an ordained minister which almost automatically conveys a level of trust and responsibility."

The church's pastor, the Rev. Randy Meadows, ordained Hourigan during a service on Sept. 13. The self-described Pentecostal church, started by Meadows and a handful of other members six years ago, welcomes anyone "regardless of race, religion, culture (or) sexual orientation," according to its Web site.

It also has a Sunday school for children.
Meadows declined several requests from The Associated Press for an interview, but said in a brief phone conversation that the church has not experienced any backlash based on the decision to ordain a convicted pedophile.

"We're just finished with the whole ordeal with everything, so we're moving on," Meadows said.

There was no phone listing for Hourigan and no one answered the door during a reporter's two visits to the apartment listed on Hourigan's sex offender registration.

Church members aren't talking about it, either. Several calls to members listed on the church's Web site were not returned; people outside the church declined to comment to reporters during two visits to the church as services were beginning or ending.

But a pastor and friend to Meadows who attended Hourigan's ordination said the church's board gave Meadows and Hourigan its full support.
"It was a really beautiful ceremony," said the Rev. Aletha Fields, a high school teacher and gay rights activist. "The sanctuary was full because there were people from out of town."

Fields, who sometimes serves as a guest pastor, said she asked Meadows about why he decided to make Hourigan a church leader.

"I asked him flat out about it because I wanted to get behind his thinking," she said. Meadows believes firmly in the "redemptive power of Jesus Christ," and told her Hourigan had served his prison term and completed probation.
"I believe they followed Biblical principle," Fields said.

One of the church's founders, Kevin Pickerrell, said he left last year over plans to ordain Hourigan. He said Meadows assured church members that Hourigan wouldn't minister to children, but Pickerrell continued to balk at the idea of ordaining Hourigan.

Pickerrell said Meadows believed that Hourigan had been reformed.
"He tried to convince me that Mark had changed," Pickerrell said of Meadows.
Hourigan said in an interview with CNN in September that wants to minister to others like him "who have been rejected." Hourigan said he has learned not to put himself in situations where he might be tempted and to seek counsel when he's having "emotional problems ... so it doesn't turn into something that it has in the past."

Pickerrell said Hourigan "has an illness that you can't cure."

Recidivism rates are high for sex offenders, with more than half reoffending, said Keith F. Durkin, a criminologist at Ohio Northern University who has studied pedophiles. He said that rate increases when the crimes involve prepubescent children, like Hourigan's victim.

"I cannot possibly see him being reformed," Durkin said. "(Sexual desire) is the most powerful drive we have as a human and (for a child sexual abuser) it's kids."

Pickerrell said Hourigan was a "wonderful" music leader at the church and was well-liked when Pickerrell attended services. But he and Pfeiffer said they worry that Hourigan can present himself as a minister to strangers who don't know his past.

Hourigan was arrested on one count each of first-degree sodomy and sexual abuse in Marion County, Ky., in 1998, according to court records. An indictment said the abuses occurred between 1993 and 1994. Hourigan pleaded guilty a year later to two counts of sexual abuse. The terms of Hourigan's parole, which he completed in June 2008, included an order that he not serve in any leadership capacity at a church with youths.

Pfeiffer's group, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP), sent a letter to the church but Pfeiffer said members have not responded.
Pastor Meadows, as a Pentecostal, may hold a strong belief in the healing power of the Holy Spirit, which could explain why he believes Hourigan can be reformed, experts said.

They "believe absolutely anybody can be healed of absolutely anything, no exceptions," said Paul Alexander, a professor of Theology and Ethics at Azusa Pacific University in California.

Meadows told CNN that Hourigan's faith has helped him reform, but he pledged to monitor the former sex offender closely.

"I don't take anything lightly when it comes to someone's past," Meadows said.
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so, do you believe there is redemption/forgiveness even for the pedophiles? Does the blood of Jesus cover all sins? Or just some?
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Most criminals "find religion" when they're caught. Let him serve the prison population.
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Most criminals "find religion" when they're caught. Let him serve the prison population.
true, but so do alot of others, like alcoholics, people at the end of their rope etc etc...

I'm just trying to think of this from the other side and not my own, meaning, what I think of a pedophile and my thoughts would be to hang him by his toes and set him on fire....
BUT, IF you are a christian, and believe in the "blood of Jesus", forgiveness, then you would have to accept that he would be forgiven of this~~washed clean. Maybe not by the eyes and ears of man, but by God. SO, as a christian, knowing that he is forgiven by God, does that mean I (you), believing christian, should aslo forgive, accept he's been "forgiven" and give him a new chance at life?
Just curious is all
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Oh my, well they are going to learn, like the Catholic Church did, that pedophiles can't be rehabilitated. That is the thing that let priests go back to their posts. Counselors who said they were "cured." Back then people really thought there was a cure.

They will need to watch his every move and keep him away from all children. The Holy Spirit may heal anything but people need to still be careful since we don't have the Holy Spirit's knowledge.
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true, but so do alot of others, like alcoholics, people at the end of their rope etc etc...

I'm just trying to think of this from the other side and not my own, meaning, what I think of a pedophile and my thoughts would be to hang him by his toes and set him on fire....
BUT, IF you are a christian, and believe in the "blood of Jesus", forgiveness, then you would have to accept that he would be forgiven of this~~washed clean. Maybe not by the eyes and ears of man, but by God. SO, as a christian, knowing that he is forgiven by God, does that mean I (you), believing christian, should also forgive, accept he's been "forgiven" and give him a new chance at life?
Just curious is all
Yes, forgive him but not trust him to be able to control his illness at all times. Children are at risk. A Catholic priest who knows he is a pedophile voluntarily became a monk in a monastery. He knows he should never be around children but he still has talents as a human that he can put to work to serve God. We don't need to totally shun these people but we do need to protect others from them.
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true, but so do alot of others, like alcoholics, people at the end of their rope etc etc...

I'm just trying to think of this from the other side and not my own, meaning, what I think of a pedophile and my thoughts would be to hang him by his toes and set him on fire....
BUT, IF you are a christian, and believe in the "blood of Jesus", forgiveness, then you would have to accept that he would be forgiven of this~~washed clean. Maybe not by the eyes and ears of man, but by God. SO, as a christian, knowing that he is forgiven by God, does that mean I (you), believing christian, should aslo forgive, accept he's been "forgiven" and give him a new chance at life?
Just curious is all
Find religion in quotes means those that say they've found it in order to lessen a sentance or clean up outwardly not internally. They talk the talk.
They've done studies on that particular topic. This is what I am talking about.

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Just curious is all

Sure, I'll answer that. I don't subscribe to that philosophy but if someone does then they can find more forgiveness in their hearts then I.
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One can be a 'pedophile' and not act upon it.

If a person is 'stricken' with the 'affliction' of being a pedophile and truly cannot control it......do not let him have access....it doesn't mean that this person should die, but that they are sick...is it not better that we put them in a position where they an do 'no harm'?

If they have these 'feelings' and either served their time or have not committed a crime, let them be where they cannot any harm. JMO
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One can be a 'pedophile' and not act upon it.

If a person is 'stricken' with the 'affliction' of being a pedophile and truly cannot control it......do not let him have access....it doesn't mean that this person should die, but that they are sick...is it not better that we put them in a position where they an do 'no harm'?

If they have these 'feelings' and either served their time or have not committed a crime, let them be where they cannot any harm. JMO
Exactly. Let him minister to a population for example, that have his affliction or prisoners. He should not be in congregation where children are.
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I'm all for forgiveness but not at the expense of children. What I don't understand is doesn't he have to stay away from children being a registered sex offender? If I was a parent in that church he would never be allowed to be anywhere near my kids.
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