I have never understood---I am spiritual but not religious

janelle · 07-25-2008, 12:46 AM

I don't know who wrote that but it is a terrible distortion of what Catholics believe. This is what Catholics really believe.

Here is what the scriptures say.

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the new covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins…” Matthew 26:26-28

Mark has almost identical words in Mark 14:22-25
Luke says …Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them saying, “This is my body which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.’ (emphasis added). And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you. Luke 22:19-20

Paul then writes quoting Jesus …“This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes. 1 Corinthians
11:24-26

Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. I Corinthians 27-28

Please note -- nowhere in the Catholic translations or the Protestant translations of the scriptures do these passages say anything about the bread and wine being representative of Jesus, they all say this IS JESUS.

Some, not all, of our Protestant brethren attempt to deny the true presents of Jesus the Christ in the bread and wine that has been consecrated by a priest to become the real body and blood of Jesus.

What a wonderful gift Jesus has given us. The opportunity to receive Him, to be in His real physical presence. We fall down and worship our Lord and God.

So these sisters, nuns, priest, and laypeople devote themselves continual to this body of Jesus the Christ as He prescribed. Somehow it makes no sense to say they do not worship the Jesus of the scriptures. They worship the Bread of Life, Jesus the Christ, in the form of bread. That is the scriptures.

Catholics not only worship the physical presence of Jesus in the form of bread and wine as prescribed in the scriptures they truly worship Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior. That’s true, real, Mere Christianity.

ElleGee · 07-25-2008, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by janelle

Jesus went to Temple all the time, He was a Rabbi. Can't get much more religious than that. And Jesus started a religion, so I'm sure Jesus was for religion.

The funny thing about that is Jews do not believe in Jesus..

janelle · 07-25-2008, 12:54 AM

All the apostles were Jews and the converts in that day were Jews. Many converts today are Jews, but yes the leaders of the Jews in Jesus' time did not accept Him. They thought He was a false prophet.

ElleGee · 07-25-2008, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by janelle

All the apostles were Jews and the converts in that day were Jews. Many converts today are Jews, but yes the leaders of the Jews in Jesus' time did not accept Him. They thought He was a false prophet.

Oh I am not arguing that. I just thought it was funny that Jesus was a Rabbi and Jews don't believe in him.

janelle · 07-25-2008, 07:11 AM

That is where free will comes in. I have heard of the group "Jews for Jesus" though. Not sure what that is about. I do know the Christian religion is based on the Jewish religion so we are not that far apart in belief but they do not believe Jesus is God---only another prophet----not the Messiah.

***Willow*** · 07-25-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by janelle

That is where free will comes in. I have heard of the group "Jews for Jesus" though. Not sure what that is about. I do know the Christian religion is based on the Jewish religion so we are not that far apart in belief but they do not believe Jesus is God---only another prophet----not the Messiah.

I am Christian and any of the churches that we have been to have believed that Jesus is God.

dangerousfem · 07-25-2008, 12:08 PM

I have been a part of a few different denominations over the years..
Church of God
Assembly of God
Church of the Nazarene

all believe in salvation, and we have had communion in all..

dangerousfem · 07-25-2008, 12:11 PM

also.. I feel the need to say..

If you are looking to the people in the church to be above all in all things Christian you will be disappointed... you have to keep your eyes on Jesus... not the people.. cause all though there are wonderful people in church.. there are also buttfaces.. in all churches.. everywhere.. you just keep your eyes on God.. and stay away from the buttfaces.. but Jesus does tell us to meet with others in faith... he encouraged people to attend church.. but not to get caught up in the "human" junk that goes on..

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dangerousfem Proud Navy Mom! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: On The Edge Of Sanity Posts: 5,616 iTrader: (22) Thanks: 577 Thanked 676 Times in 370 Posts	I have been a part of a few different denominations over the years.. Church of God Assembly of God Church of the Nazarene all believe in salvation, and we have had communion in all.. __________________ I'm not from the south...but I got here as fast as I could!

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dangerousfem Proud Navy Mom! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: On The Edge Of Sanity Posts: 5,616 iTrader: (22) Thanks: 577 Thanked 676 Times in 370 Posts	also.. I feel the need to say.. If you are looking to the people in the church to be above all in all things Christian you will be disappointed... you have to keep your eyes on Jesus... not the people.. cause all though there are wonderful people in church.. there are also buttfaces.. in all churches.. everywhere.. you just keep your eyes on God.. and stay away from the buttfaces.. but Jesus does tell us to meet with others in faith... he encouraged people to attend church.. but not to get caught up in the "human" junk that goes on.. __________________ I'm not from the south...but I got here as fast as I could!

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07-25-2008, 12:46 AM	#23 (permalink)
janelle Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 20,480 iTrader: (1) Thanks: 467 Thanked 1,187 Times in 774 Posts	I don't know who wrote that but it is a terrible distortion of what Catholics believe. This is what Catholics really believe. Here is what the scriptures say. While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the new covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins…” Matthew 26:26-28 Mark has almost identical words in Mark 14:22-25 Luke says …Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them saying, “This is my body which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.’ (emphasis added). And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you. Luke 22:19-20 Paul then writes quoting Jesus …“This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes. 1 Corinthians 11:24-26 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. I Corinthians 27-28 Please note -- nowhere in the Catholic translations or the Protestant translations of the scriptures do these passages say anything about the bread and wine being representative of Jesus, they all say this IS JESUS. Some, not all, of our Protestant brethren attempt to deny the true presents of Jesus the Christ in the bread and wine that has been consecrated by a priest to become the real body and blood of Jesus. What a wonderful gift Jesus has given us. The opportunity to receive Him, to be in His real physical presence. We fall down and worship our Lord and God. So these sisters, nuns, priest, and laypeople devote themselves continual to this body of Jesus the Christ as He prescribed. Somehow it makes no sense to say they do not worship the Jesus of the scriptures. They worship the Bread of Life, Jesus the Christ, in the form of bread. That is the scriptures. Catholics not only worship the physical presence of Jesus in the form of bread and wine as prescribed in the scriptures they truly worship Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior. That’s true, real, Mere Christianity.

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janelle Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 20,480 iTrader: (1) Thanks: 467 Thanked 1,187 Times in 774 Posts	All the apostles were Jews and the converts in that day were Jews. Many converts today are Jews, but yes the leaders of the Jews in Jesus' time did not accept Him. They thought He was a false prophet.

07-25-2008, 07:11 AM	#27 (permalink)
janelle Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 20,480 iTrader: (1) Thanks: 467 Thanked 1,187 Times in 774 Posts	That is where free will comes in. I have heard of the group "Jews for Jesus" though. Not sure what that is about. I do know the Christian religion is based on the Jewish religion so we are not that far apart in belief but they do not believe Jesus is God---only another prophet----not the Messiah.