Great site that teaches both the Catechism and the Bible!!

DtroitPunk · 06-15-2007, 06:20 PM

Hello all. I have become somewhat infamous for my posts on the Catholic church, and want to help all that I can. I have found a really great resource where a Former nun compares the teachings of the Catholic church using the Catechism and other Catholic writings against the King James Bible.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/toc.htm

Please take the time to actually read this site. I did and I see numerous places where the Catechism is CLEARLY in opposition to the Bible.

Please everyone, evaluate for yourselves. Dont be led only by tradition. Enter into a personal relationship with the savior who died for you. You can know Gods will for you and his standards for your life through his word.

kate · 06-15-2007, 06:55 PM

Thanks and all but seeing as I went down the fundamentalist path for quite a while I don't need someone to show me the error of my ways. I feel the Lord did that while I was on that path and gently guided me back to where I am.

I do have a brain and can evaluate what I read, study, and understand on my own. I've read that site or one like it and it has done nothing but solidify my beliefs.

I don't need saving, thanks

DtroitPunk · 06-15-2007, 10:04 PM

I am happy that you are happy with your faith, but you even admitted that you dont believe the Bible is meant to be taken literally, so for you it doesnt matter which church you go to. I Am not trying to be mean or sarcastic, just stating the obvious.

Val1 · 06-15-2007, 10:15 PM

Gosh DP, even if you believe parts of the Bible are meant to be figurative...like say, the parables of Christ

...it certainly does not correlate to "not caring what church you go to". How in the world did you make that conclusion?

kate · 06-15-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DtroitPunk

I am happy that you are happy with your faith, but you even admitted that you dont believe the Bible is meant to be taken literally, so for you it doesnt matter which church you go to. I Am not trying to be mean or sarcastic, just stating the obvious.

Actually, in my reading of the Bible, it is very important which church I go to. I go to the one that best matches my understanding of the Bible. When I read it, it speaks to me in the way that I worship and in the faith that I have.

Not reading it literally does not correspond to it not mattering which church I go to. That I find mildly offensive and rude.

Just today I received a tract in the mail from a church and I find that presumptive as well and it made me a just a wee bit upset that they would presume to tell me what the best way is.

janelle · 06-16-2007, 04:10 PM

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/index.htm This is the homepage of the site posted.

Thank you DP for proving to me what I had thought you were doing. Going to radical sites to find out your info. This site is so blatantly full of hatred for the Catholic Church and from what I see most other churches except those who are purely fundamentalists it is very sad. It is so sad that most fundamentalists would be sad.

They are so full of hatred they even post the wrong bible. The Catholic church follows The New American Bible which has seven more books in the Old Testament not included in the Protestant translations The NIV is a Protestant bible, not Catholic. It is a fine bible but the people who put this site up don't even know what Catholics believe.

Nice try but no jackpot.

DtroitPunk · 06-16-2007, 06:02 PM

"Thank you DP for proving to me what I had thought you were doing. Going to radical sites to find out your info. This site is so blatantly full of hatred for the Catholic Church and from what I see most other churches except those who are purely fundamentalists it is very sad. It is so sad that most fundamentalists would be sad."

Janelle...

This is so far wrong I wont even dignify it. I hate no man or religion, I will not invest the emotion and time necessary to hate. However I do have real problems with ANY person or organization that represents it/themselves as teaching religious truths with the bible that Clearly IGNORE or twist parts of the Bible. I believe that (and the bible confirms numerous times) the Bible has EVERYTHING we need to live a life pleasing to God.

janelle · 06-16-2007, 06:10 PM

And for the hundreth time the Catholic Church DOES NOT DO THAT but you will only believe what these radical sites tell you. So sad, too bad.

Read Scott Hahn's book if you dare and see how someone like those who hate changes when they study and learn the truth. What they thought they knew they didn't know and they were wrong.

DtroitPunk · 06-16-2007, 06:11 PM

To the point of your choice of church not mattering. If I believe that the Bible is not literal, I can choose which parts I want to believe and interpret troublesome passages in a way that pleaes me, I can then find a church that teaches in a way that I find comfortable. Kate even said this

"I go to the one that best matches MY understanding of the Bible. When I read it, it speaks to me in the way that I worship and in the faith that I have."

And as far as taking issue with receiving a mailer or a tract? Maybe thats why so many people love the Catholic church? They dont teach or encourage the faithful to ACTIVELY share their faith with others? This is a teaching CENTRAL to the Bible. We are to share the Gospel with ALL, everyone we meet or come into contact with. We are supposed to help win souls to the lord, by sending out mailings, or visiting door to door with neighbors we are attempting to do part of our Christian duty by giving of our time, risking the mistreatment and cruelty of Non-believers to help others come to the lord. If I dont agree with a religion like the Witnesses for example, I am forced to admit that they LIVE their faith and try to witness of the same to others.

DtroitPunk · 06-16-2007, 06:19 PM

Janelle, I will say this as well, just because a web site has material that you find scandalous or hateful, doesnt mean it contains no truth.

Once again you resort to a straw man argument. This site is apparently hateful towards Catholicism, it has an agenda. So by association we cannot believe nor should we evaluate any of the claims or statements made.

The reason I liked this site was it actually takes parts of the Cathehism (which you and your husband kept directing me to study) and did a comparison.

Not liking what you read or even abhoring the reason a book or statement was wriiten, DOES NOT change the truth or falsity of the conclusions come to. Facts are facts.

janelle · 06-16-2007, 06:20 PM

Then explain who Catholic missionaries, like Mother Teresa are when they go into another country? Of course, they also go to help the people who are struggling with poverty and sickness by setting up hospitals. They nourish the body along with the souls.

If you will look in different Magazines you will see ads for people to contact their local church if they want to learn more. We do not go door to door since this type of contacting people leads to backlash and hard feelings. We are there if and when they decide to come to us. That way they have a more open spirit to learn.

AND there are places like EWTN on the internet and radio programs that promote and talk about the faith. If you would seek out those places instead of these hate filled sites you would know they are out there.

Why am I posting here if I do not want to talk about my faith? Duh. LOL

06-15-2007, 06:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
DtroitPunk Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Innsmouth Posts: 338 iTrader: (0) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Great site that teaches both the Catechism and the Bible!! Hello all. I have become somewhat infamous for my posts on the Catholic church, and want to help all that I can. I have found a really great resource where a Former nun compares the teachings of the Catholic church using the Catechism and other Catholic writings against the King James Bible. http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/toc.htm Please take the time to actually read this site. I did and I see numerous places where the Catechism is CLEARLY in opposition to the Bible. Please everyone, evaluate for yourselves. Dont be led only by tradition. Enter into a personal relationship with the savior who died for you. You can know Gods will for you and his standards for your life through his word.

06-16-2007, 04:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
janelle Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 20,349 iTrader: (1) Thanks: 441 Thanked 1,129 Times in 736 Posts	http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/index.htm This is the homepage of the site posted. Thank you DP for proving to me what I had thought you were doing. Going to radical sites to find out your info. This site is so blatantly full of hatred for the Catholic Church and from what I see most other churches except those who are purely fundamentalists it is very sad. It is so sad that most fundamentalists would be sad. They are so full of hatred they even post the wrong bible. The Catholic church follows The New American Bible which has seven more books in the Old Testament not included in the Protestant translations The NIV is a Protestant bible, not Catholic. It is a fine bible but the people who put this site up don't even know what Catholics believe. Nice try but no jackpot. __________________ Senator Government

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janelle Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 20,349 iTrader: (1) Thanks: 441 Thanked 1,129 Times in 736 Posts	And for the hundreth time the Catholic Church DOES NOT DO THAT but you will only believe what these radical sites tell you. So sad, too bad. Read Scott Hahn's book if you dare and see how someone like those who hate changes when they study and learn the truth. What they thought they knew they didn't know and they were wrong. __________________ Senator Government

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janelle Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 20,349 iTrader: (1) Thanks: 441 Thanked 1,129 Times in 736 Posts	Then explain who Catholic missionaries, like Mother Teresa are when they go into another country? Of course, they also go to help the people who are struggling with poverty and sickness by setting up hospitals. They nourish the body along with the souls. If you will look in different Magazines you will see ads for people to contact their local church if they want to learn more. We do not go door to door since this type of contacting people leads to backlash and hard feelings. We are there if and when they decide to come to us. That way they have a more open spirit to learn. AND there are places like EWTN on the internet and radio programs that promote and talk about the faith. If you would seek out those places instead of these hate filled sites you would know they are out there. Why am I posting here if I do not want to talk about my faith? Duh. LOL __________________ Senator Government

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06-15-2007, 06:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
kate Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 84 iTrader: (0) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks and all but seeing as I went down the fundamentalist path for quite a while I don't need someone to show me the error of my ways. I feel the Lord did that while I was on that path and gently guided me back to where I am. I do have a brain and can evaluate what I read, study, and understand on my own. I've read that site or one like it and it has done nothing but solidify my beliefs. I don't need saving, thanks

06-15-2007, 10:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
DtroitPunk Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Innsmouth Posts: 338 iTrader: (0) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am happy that you are happy with your faith, but you even admitted that you dont believe the Bible is meant to be taken literally, so for you it doesnt matter which church you go to. I Am not trying to be mean or sarcastic, just stating the obvious.

06-15-2007, 10:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
Val1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 88 iTrader: (0) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Gosh DP, even if you believe parts of the Bible are meant to be figurative...like say, the parables of Christ ...it certainly does not correlate to "not caring what church you go to". How in the world did you make that conclusion?

06-16-2007, 06:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
DtroitPunk Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Innsmouth Posts: 338 iTrader: (0) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"Thank you DP for proving to me what I had thought you were doing. Going to radical sites to find out your info. This site is so blatantly full of hatred for the Catholic Church and from what I see most other churches except those who are purely fundamentalists it is very sad. It is so sad that most fundamentalists would be sad." Janelle... This is so far wrong I wont even dignify it. I hate no man or religion, I will not invest the emotion and time necessary to hate. However I do have real problems with ANY person or organization that represents it/themselves as teaching religious truths with the bible that Clearly IGNORE or twist parts of the Bible. I believe that (and the bible confirms numerous times) the Bible has EVERYTHING we need to live a life pleasing to God.

06-16-2007, 06:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
DtroitPunk Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Innsmouth Posts: 338 iTrader: (0) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To the point of your choice of church not mattering. If I believe that the Bible is not literal, I can choose which parts I want to believe and interpret troublesome passages in a way that pleaes me, I can then find a church that teaches in a way that I find comfortable. Kate even said this "I go to the one that best matches MY understanding of the Bible. When I read it, it speaks to me in the way that I worship and in the faith that I have." And as far as taking issue with receiving a mailer or a tract? Maybe thats why so many people love the Catholic church? They dont teach or encourage the faithful to ACTIVELY share their faith with others? This is a teaching CENTRAL to the Bible. We are to share the Gospel with ALL, everyone we meet or come into contact with. We are supposed to help win souls to the lord, by sending out mailings, or visiting door to door with neighbors we are attempting to do part of our Christian duty by giving of our time, risking the mistreatment and cruelty of Non-believers to help others come to the lord. If I dont agree with a religion like the Witnesses for example, I am forced to admit that they LIVE their faith and try to witness of the same to others.

06-16-2007, 06:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
DtroitPunk Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Innsmouth Posts: 338 iTrader: (0) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Janelle, I will say this as well, just because a web site has material that you find scandalous or hateful, doesnt mean it contains no truth. Once again you resort to a straw man argument. This site is apparently hateful towards Catholicism, it has an agenda. So by association we cannot believe nor should we evaluate any of the claims or statements made. The reason I liked this site was it actually takes parts of the Cathehism (which you and your husband kept directing me to study) and did a comparison. Not liking what you read or even abhoring the reason a book or statement was wriiten, DOES NOT change the truth or falsity of the conclusions come to. Facts are facts.