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    Kentucky church is dropping its scouting program
    Mark Boxley, The (Louisville, Ky.) Courier-Journal10:16 p.m. EDT May 27, 2013

    Mega-church's action linked in part to Scouting's decision to allow openly gay youths in troops.

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. — An evangelical Christian church here with more than 30,000 members will break ties with the Boy Scouts of America because it believes the youth organization has become too polarizing, its executive pastor said.

    The Boy Scouts' national council voted last week to allow openly gay youth but maintained its ban on gay leaders.

    Tim Hester, executive pastor of Southeast Christian Church, said the youth organization's consideration of that issue started the discussion that eventually led to the church's board of elders deciding against renewing the church's charter with Troop 212, but it wasn't the deciding issue.

    The charter was going to be broken regardless of the Boy Scout vote, he said.

    "Truly for us it's a logical decision," he said. "We cannot be distracted from the mission God has called us to."

    The Scouts have until the end of the year to relocate.

    Barry Oxley, chief executive of the Boy Scouts' Lincoln Heritage Council, said Southeast Christian had notified the council earlier this year that scouting would not be offered on its campus in 2014.

    He said the Boy Scouts are working to identify a new organization to charter Troop 212 and its affiliated Cub Scout pack. He said about 300 families participate in scouting in the two groups at Southeast Christian.

    "Our focus is helping youth grow into young people of character and integrity through a program of fun and adventure," Oxley said.

    Hester said Troop 212 leaders approached Southeast Christian, which in 2011 was listed as the fourth-largest congregation in the nation in a survey from Outreach magazine, when the gay vote issue first came up.

    While the vote was the catalyst, it wasn't the only issue, he said. Rather, it was the Boy Scouts' direction and the desire to keep the church from getting caught up in it.

    "We want everyone, including ourselves, to live by biblical standards," Hester said.

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    Our church is no longer supporting the Boy Scouts now. Is this the case for everyone else?

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    Methodist Minister Conference meets in June - this is up for discussion. If the United Methodists rejects our Charter then it will affect our Troop ( continuous for 78 years ) and our Pack ( continuous for 42 years ); will also affect most of our Venture Crews. I know the Pastor of one of the local Catholic Churches said he wasn't waiting on a ruling from the Dioceses - he has already terminated the Charter at "his" Church - closing a Troop that has met there continually for 63 years. Their Troop will meet with our Troop ( same night short distance) - we will let them have a room in our "Scout Hut" for the summer until the PTB deciede our fates.
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    The American Heritage Girls have formally ended their involvement with the BSA due to its new membership standards. Click below for the full statement they released following the resolution.

    http://www.onmyhonor.net/2013/05/28/...ment-with-bsa/
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    Don't ask, don't tell....scouts (BSA) has no place in sexual discussions or activities. Sexual orientation should not be on their agenda....boys & leaders...approved curriculum. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pepperpot View Post
    Don't ask, don't tell....scouts (BSA) has no place in sexual discussions or activities. Sexual orientation should not be on their agenda....boys & leaders...approved curriculum. Period.
    THANK YOU !


    I keep having this conversation ... I am not a "hater" ... sexuality should be irrelevant ... everything is over sexualized ... can't the kids just have this ??
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    Indeed, proponents of gay-friendly scouting, the very activists whose demands the present compromise is meant to satisfy, have already proclaimed that the fight will go on: The next goal is to open the Scouts to openly homosexual Scout leaders.

    http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/05/10237/

    As I said before, and the BSA no longer have the "right" to deny entry because their standing was allowing openly gay members was against the oath/law/promise. Now that they have gone against our own oath/law/promise, they no longer have a stand (now it is just discrimination).

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    IF our membership quits and walks away from BSA, I am disappointed though that the finest most patriotic group of individuals I have ever known might walk away without using the citizenship training and leadership training we have taught boys for the past 100 years. FIGHT! If you walk away now the greatest youth organization we have ever had will become what you fear it will. I want to know if Stimulus Dollars went to AT&t and created an improper relationship for the New head of the Boy Scouts , did that influence the vote , were we bought with our own tax dollars? The acting Commisioner of the IRS who was put in charge of investigating impropriety in the Tea party groups is THE SAME GUY that would have controlled AT&Ts tax benefits. I am not an Eagle Scout but surely there is someone in this organization that is willing to make some calls and do some research and call Issa or your congressman and see if the Democratic Party just bought the leading youth organization in the nation with one secret ballot.

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    Way to go BSA. You've compromised your principles to gain a minority, and to lose a majority. And I guess making rules without representation doesn't apply to BSA like it does Congress. I'd like to know who voted for me. They sure didn't follow my views.

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    Our troop in NE Ohio is chartered by a baptist church. Thy have informed us that they likely will sever ties at the end of 2013 because of the change in policy. We would have to find another organization willing to charter us. Thats going to a huge problem for numbers of troops. Previously we were chartered through a local school but due to funding we could no longer use the building in the evenings.

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    One thing the BSA forgets. The Charter organizations own the Troops. We are seeing record number of charter organization dropping Boy Scout Troops. May 23...Sad day in the 103 year history

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    Indeed a sad day.... From winning a court case to stand by its then "principles" to selling their soul.....what a flip flop...... FAIL

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    January 1st...... If you read the membership proposal that was passed anyone can join after 1/1/14. As long as they agree with "Duty to God".

    For now......

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    OK, lets see if the National BSA Key Three-- will pull their charter and enforce the rules like they said they would....

    "Boy Scouts defy orders, wear uniforms in Utah gay pride parade"
    By Miranda Leitsinger, Staff Writer, NBC News



    Boy Scouts and adult volunteers wore their uniforms Sunday as they marched in Utah's gay pride parade — defying a leader of the youth organization who had said they couldn't do so under the organization's guidelines prohibiting advocating political or social positions.

    The Utah Pride Festival Parade came a little more than a week after national delegates of the Boy Scouts of America approved allowing gay youth to join, ending controversial membership guidelines that had in recent years dogged one of the nation's most popular organizations for children and teens. "It just feels like the right thing to do," Kenji Mikesell, an 18-year-old Eagle Scout and high school senior still active with his troop, said before leaving for the parade in Salt Lake City in his uniform.

    "It's kind of a way of saying we want you here,” added Mikesell, who marched with Mormons Building Bridges and whose troop is chartered by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Scouting has been a very positive influence in my life, and I'd like to see more people take advantage of it now that the ban has been lifted.”

    Peter Brownstein, a Scoutmaster in Salt Lake City who helped organize the Boy Scouts participation in the march, said a few adults and youth marched at the front of the parade in uniform, including a Cub Scout, a Boy Scout and his stepdad, an Eagle Scout, who borrowed a uniform to wear, and an Asst. Scoutmaster.

    But a local leader of the Boy Scouts had said Friday that they were prohibited from doing so. "We as a Scouting movement do not advocate any social or political position, so I reminded Mr. Brownstein that we do not wear uniforms at an event like this," said Rick Barnes, chief scout executive of the Great Salt Lake Council, which consists of more than 75,000 youth. "We do not, as Boy Scouts, show support for any social or political position. We're neutral. If he wants to attend the parade and others do that are Scouts or Scouters, they're welcome to do so as private citizens wearing whatever they want except their uniform.

    “That's our official position. It always has been, there's nothing new here," he added. "We just don't want people to use the Boy Scouts to advocate their positions."

    It wasn't clear what the consequences of wearing their uniforms would be. In a statement, Deron Smith, a spokesman for the national headquarters of the Boy Scouts of America, said it was up to the local council to determine any punishment.

    "These individuals stated a personal opinion and do not represent Scouting," said Smith. "Scouting teaches young people that often in life one finds rules they don’t agree with, but a Scout is to be obedient. To simply disobey a rule because you disagree with it is not an example to set for youth. It is up to each council to determine how best to hold their leaders to the standards of Scouting. We will support the Greater Salt Lake Area Council as they determine the appropriate response."

    Barnes said Sunday he had nothing to add to the statement from Smith. On Friday, he said he expected the group to comply, citing the part of the Scout Oath that says a Scout is trustworthy.

    Mikesell said he wasn't worried about any consequences. But Brownstein did not wear his uniform and instead opted for a T-shirt that carried the message of inclusive Scouting, with a rainbow square knot on it. His son, an Eagle Scout, and another Scout wore shirts promoting allowing gays in Scouting (LGBT adults are not allowed to join the program).

    Brownstein, 53, said it was a disappointment that he couldn't wear his uniform. "We're just trying to demonstrate that Scouts can be a part of all parts of society, all parts of life," he said before the parade. "While I am not wearing my uniform, other people will be. And this is not about me, this is about getting the message out to America" of "inclusiveness in Scouting, the need for equality."

    After the march, he noted: “It felt awesome to proudly represent an organization that is making progress towards change and acceptance … and slowly making progress on opening their organization to many more people who can benefit from the wonderful program."

    "And the progress forward will continue,” he added.

    Scouts for Equality, a group that campaigns for the LGBT community to be welcomed in Scouting, had said that members of the Boy Scouts have previously marched in pride parades elsewhere. But they called for youth and adults in the Utah Scouting program to abide by Barnes' call and not wear their formal uniforms in the parade.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...y-pride-parade
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    Scouts appease atheists with new Godless promise
    The Scout Association is expected to announce the wording for the new 'atheist' promise in the Autumn, at the earliest.
    Scout Association amends vow to God in bid to appease atheists and other secular humanists
    God and country ditched in Guides and Brownies’ promise
    Scouts may introduce atheist promise, after 105 years

    Fri, 28 Jun 2013


    The Scout Association is to offer the option of a new “atheist” promise for the first time in its 105-year history, according to a national newspaper. The Sunday Telegraph has learned that the movement will introduce an optional oath which has no reference to God, after mounting pressure from atheists.

    The Scouting movement was founded by Lord Baden-Powell on Christian principles in 1908.

    Duty

    Currently, Scouts must promise to “do my duty to God” and those of other faiths use alternative wording. The original promise will remain for believers.

    The introduction of a separate oath follows a consultation of 15,000 people.

    This comes as the Girl Guides recently dropped any reference to God in their oath, in a move criticised for pandering to individualism and secular humanist ideas.

    Beliefs

    Now the Guides’ promise will see girls pledging to be “true to myself and develop my beliefs”.

    New wording for the Scouts promise will be devised by trustees of the association and approved by the entire movement before it is expected to be announced later this year. Simon Carter, Assistant Director of Marketing and Communications for the Association, said “the direction of travel is clear”, despite there being some way to go before the wording is finalised.

    Contrast

    The new promise comes in stark contrast to the views of the movement’s founder, Lord Baden-Powell. He ranked atheism alongside gambling, swearing and drunkenness in a handbook for boys.

    More than 100 years ago, Lord Baden-Powell wrote “Rovering for Success”, in which he said: “If you are really to make your way to success – ie happiness – you must not only avoid being sucked in by irreligious humbugs, but you must have a religious basis to your life”.

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    Damed if we do - damed if we don't.... don't you love this "unbiased" headline ...

    At Least They Got This One Right: Boy Scouts Introduce Sustainability Badge
    By Anna Hess | Takepart.com 4 hours ago

    The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) aren’t typically characterized as being the most liberally minded organization. But this month, the 2.7 million-member youth group launched a new eco-conscious initiative that we're convinced would make Arctic polar bears do the happy dance—they're adding "sustainability" to the Scout merit badge cache.

    Its requirements address five areas of good ol' green living: water, food, energy, community and "stuff" (figuring out what one's family doesn't need, and then making arrangements for repurposing and recycling).

    The initiative is not just for show, either. The required tasks include strict implementation of a detailed, month-long water usage plan after studying water billing statements and designing an entire sustainable city after assessing current housing needs.

    This eco-centric effort is not the first time the BSA has faced a 21st-century issue head-on.

    On May 23, the BSA's National Council voted that leaders could no longer deny young boys membership based on sexual orientation alone. However, the National Council let a discriminatory clause live on in the membership policy of adult leaders.

    While we here at TakePart HQ love the BSA's green move, others didn't—and they let their discontent be known in comments on a recent Scouting magazine post announcing the new badge. There, some commenters referred to the badge as "Liberal Agenda Merit Badge" or as "propaganda." Others declared that sustainability is the "U.N. Agenda 21's system to global control and one world government" or that it "eliminates the free choice of people." One commenter even wrote this: "Climate change is a discredited theory that has no place in the Boy Scout program."

    In the name of progress of all colors and stripes, listen up, Boy Scouts: We'll see your green badge and raise you one rainbow one.

    http://news.yahoo.com/least-got-one-...225122187.html

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    BSA has long preached conservation, leave no trace, etc. Their offering a sustainability merit badge shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

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    "The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) aren’t typically characterized as being the most liberally minded organization."
    Media can't resist getting a jab in. This article had more then one ...

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    "At Least They Got This One Right
    " ???????? What a crummy headline. The Boy Scouts get a lot of things right. And, Anna Hess, I doubt you know much about the Boy Scouts.

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    The BSA have always given awards for conservation projects. The many merit badges teach self reliance, environment facts, and sustainability. It is sad that BSA has been forced into the political arena when it's about raising healthy educated youth to be leaders and not a bunch of liberal

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    The Boy Scouts that I belonged to was always "green minded" before green was chic. We were always taught to respect the enviornment and be conservative in the use of natural resources.

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    I'm sorry, is this a pro or anti scout article? Your excellent journalism skills prevent me from seeing your bias. ( sarcasm off )

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    Hold the hurrahs-----When my son was in scouting in Toledo, Ohio., he designed a recycling project. He spent countless hours arranging for 55 gallon cardboard barrels. He and friends cleaned and painted the barrels and made signs for CANS - PLASTIC - GLASS. They placed them at all exits from the cafeteria, gymnasium and outside the school entrances. They even had monthly suppleis of large plastic liners promised by a local supply company. Wonderfull project; the barrels were full the first day. The arranged for dumpsters, also donated, were ready in the rear of the school.

    Then reality set in: Remember I mentioned Toledo...you know, Democrat Unions. The union janitors refused to pull the plastic bags out of the barrels & replace them..."it wasn't in their contract".... then the barrels "mysteriously disappeared"

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    Maybe not 'liberal', but certainly environmental, nature and outdoor oriented. Or are you 'liberals' still hung up on the Clean, Reverent and Morally Straight aspects?

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    Hey Anna, why should the boy scouts be liberal "anything"? Why can't they just be kids? Conservation has always been part of the boy scout way.

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    Polar bears are not endangered. Why would they care?
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    Disney to pull Boy Scouts funding by 2015 over policy banning gay leaders
    By Devon M. Sayers, CNN updated 1:49 PM EST, Sat March 1, 2014

    (CNN) -- The Walt Disney Company has given notice to the Boy Scouts of America that it will pull all funding to the group starting in 2015 because of a BSA membership policy that bans gay leaders, the entertainment company said Friday.

    Disney does not give money directly to the national organization or local BSA councils. However, through its VoluntEARS program, Disney allows employees to do volunteer work in exchange for cash donations to the charities of their choice.

    Employees taking part in the VoluntEARS program will no longer be able to submit the funds to the Boy Scouts, the organization said. The new policy will not affect Walt Disney employees who volunteer with the Scouts, the company said. "We believe every child deserves the opportunity to be a part of the Scouting experience, and we are disappointed in this decision because it will impact our ability to serve kids," BSA spokesman Deron Smith said in a statement. "America's youth need Scouting, and by continuing to focus on the goals that unite us, we continue to accomplish incredible things for young people and the communities we serve."

    Though the Boy Scouts voted last year to allow gay youths to join its ranks, the group maintains a ban on gay Scout leaders.

    According to Disney's charitable giving guidelines, groups become ineligible to receive Disney funding if they "discriminate in the provision of services unlawfully or in a manner inconsistent with Disney's policies on the basis of race, religion, color, sex, national origin, age, marital status, mental or physical ability, or sexual orientation."

    Disney would not divulge its formula for converting volunteer hours to dollars, but a chart on Disney's corporate website shows that in 2010, employees raised $4.8 million via 548,000 volunteer hours, which works out to $8.79 an hour. Among the events for which employees volunteered were a triathlon for Children's Hospital Los Angeles, the Revlon Run-Walk for cancer, Children's Hospital of Orange County Walk at Disneyland Resort and the Champion 5K at ESPN for the V Foundation, according to Disney.

    Deena Fidas, the director of workplace equality for the Human Rights Campaign, said Disney's decision "carries a unique weight. When you think about brands that exemplify childhood, you think of Disney, and with them dissociating with BSA, it speaks volumes of where we are with the views we want to send to young people."

    In a recent report, HRC cited numerous victories in its quest to ensure workplace equality and applauded the majority of Fortune 500 companies that now offer sexual-orientation and gender-identity protections to their employees. Despite that, "we know that over 50% of (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) employees remain closeted on the job," the report said.

    On Thursday, Scouts for Equality, which says it works to end discrimination within the BSA, praised Walt Disney World for ending local support for the BSA's Central Florida Council. "We're never happy to see Scouting suffer as a result of the BSA's anti-gay policy, but Disney made the right decision to withhold support until Scouting is fully inclusive," Eagle Scout and Scouts for Equality co-founder Zach Wahls said in a statement.

    Scouts for Equality says Disney joins Lockheed Martin, Caterpillar, Major League Soccer, Merck, Intel and UPS as companies who have ended partnerships with the Scouts because of its policy. Fidas said Alcoa and AT&T are also on that list.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/28/us/dis...coutsdisney11a
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