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    Quote Originally Posted by boopster View Post
    good question...I did read an article that stated that if you smoked, you have to pay 50% more for insurance and that 50% will not be calculated in the credit the government is suppose to give you. http://lonelyconservative.com/2013/0...-to-obamacare/
    More "good news" for smokers ...

    Smokers in one state may soon have a harder time finding jobs. It will soon become a reality for a Tennessee-based hospital system. This week, Mountain States Health Alliance announced that come March 1, it won't hire anyone who tests positive for nicotine during the hiring process. Forbes Magazine said if a company doesn't hire smokers, they could save $11,000 a year per employee. What do you think of this idea? http://bit.ly/14FNoPZ
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    amazing how they can legally discriminate for something that is legal. sure sounds like if you smoke you better give it up and become an alcoholic drug user or abuser, or eat yourself to death cuz you will be able to get a job and/or get health insurance at a rate just like all other people who do not smoke.

    (PS I do not smoke)

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    ‘Obamacare’ health care reform ALREADY forcing doctors to close practices
    By Valerie Richardson
    The Washington Times - Thursday, February 7, 2013


    After 25 years of practicing medicine, Dr. Tamzin Rosenwasser packed in her dermatology practice in 2011, barely a year after the passage of President Obama’s health care initiative. The timing wasn’t coincidental. “I have interrupted practicing medicine because of Obamacare,” said Dr. Rosenwasser. “I’d read the bill. I was conversant with what had already happened with Medicaid, and I didn’t want to go down that road with Obamacare.”

    The Affordable Care Act isn’t scheduled to be fully implemented until next year, but some doctors already are viewing it as dead on arrival. The medical rumor mill is abuzz with stories about physicians girding for Mr. Obama’s signature domestic policy achievement by limiting their exposure to Medicare and Medicaid, selling their practices, converting to fee-for-service approaches, or even retiring from medicine altogether. “Every single day, people are talking about retiring early, getting out of clinical medicine, or going into hospital administration, where you don’t have to think about patient care anymore,” said Dr. Richard Armstrong, a Michigan surgeon and chief operating officer of Docs 4 Patient Care, which opposes the Affordable Care Act.

    Not all doctors agree. The American Medical Association endorsed the health care legislation at the time of its passage in 2010, although the group now is pushing for the elimination of the Independent Payment Advisory Board, the cost-control organization at the heart of the president’s plan that became known to critics as the “death panel.”

    “Some physicians are all for [Obamacare],” said Dr. Rosenwasser, who had practices in Florida and Indiana and is a past president of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, which opposes the program. “They’ve been brought up in the government system. This is what they know.”

    Most doctors appear to be waiting to see what happens. “About 90 percent of doctors are completely uninformed about what the government’s doing,” Dr. Armstrong said. “A lot of them are in this free-floating anxiety mode.”

    Widespread concern

    Even physicians with no plans for career change are worried about the profession for reasons related to Obamacare. A sweeping survey of 13,575 doctors released in September by the Physicians Foundation found that 77 percent were pessimistic about the future of medicine.

    The main reason: malpractice lawsuits, which the president’s law did little to address. After that, the top factors cited were “Medicare/Medicaid/government regulations,” “reimbursement issues” and “uncertainty/changes of health reform.”

    Craig Garthwaite, professor at the KelloggSchool of Management at Northwestern University, said he has concerns about doctor shortages in the coming years even if speculation about an Obamacare-induced physician exodus proves groundless. “What you’re hearing now is going to be: (a) anticipatory, and (b) purely anecdotal, because we don’t have data yet,” said Mr. Garthwaite, author of a 2012 research study on projected physician shortages. “You definitely hear doctors saying they’re going to work fewer hours, but I don’t know how much stock you can put in that.”

    He said the problem is that as many as 32 million people are expected to be added to the health care system as a result of Obamacare, half of those as a result of the expansion of Medicaid. Many doctors already refuse to accept Medicaid patients because the government reimbursements for services rendered are well below the market rates. “What’s concerning is the economic incentives,” Mr. Garthwaite said. “A lot of people are going to leave private insurance and go on Medicaid because it’s cheaper, and that means lower reimbursements for doctors because Medicaid is such a poor reimburser. At the same time that we’re increasing the need for more doctors, we’re decreasing the incentives that would normally attract people to the medical profession.”

    Opponents of the president’s health care law in Washington, led by the Republican majority in the House of Representatives, concede that November’s elections have largely taken the question of outright repeal off the table. But Republican leaders such as House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin say resistance from doctors in the field is growing and will help fuel the movement to make the law “collapse under its own weight.”

    “Go talk to the people at Aurora, go talk to the people at Wheaton, go talk to the people at St. Catherine’s, go talk to the people at All Saints,” Mr. Ryan said while meeting with constituents last month, according to WisPolitics.com. “They will say the same exact thing, which is, ‘We are getting paid less and less per service for all these people coming in.’ You see, the government is underpaying providers for the cost of care.”

    Opting out of med school

    With the prospect of more government regulation and smaller paychecks, top students who normally might choose medical school may look elsewhere. “A lot of younger people who might go to medical school are saying, ‘Why should I incur $300,000 in debt when I’m not even sure I can make a living?’” Dr. Armstrong said. “You lose some of your best and brightest because they’re smart enough to see what’s going on.”

    Analysts agree that the trend of using more physicians’ assistants, nurse practitioners and foreign-trained doctors is likely to accelerate. “And that’s not necessarily a bad thing,” Mr. Garthwaite said. “But it should be consciously done. It shouldn’t be the unintended consequence of a law.”

    One option gaining ground among disgruntled doctors not ready to hit the golf course is going off the insurance grid. “There are a number of doctors looking for alternative ways to practice medicine by trying to get out of the third-party system and going to fee-for-service,” said Dr. Hal Scherz, a Georgia surgeon and president of Docs 4 Patient Care. “I hear many of these stories. I know one doctor who’s gone to strictly cash. Her prices are posted, her service is better, and her patients love it.”

    Pay as you go

    That is how it’s done at the Surgical Center of Oklahoma, which accepts no third-party payments from private insurers or the government. The center opened in 1997, long before Obamacare was even a blip on the horizon, but Dr. Keith Smith, a co-founder, said the signs of greater government involvement in medicine were already evident. “We saw it coming. We assumed there was going to be more tyrannical stuff coming from the government. We just didn’t know what form it would take,” said Dr. Smith, who refers to the health care law as the “unaffordable care act.”

    His practice charges far less for surgical procedures than traditional hospitals — he even posts his prices online — by avoiding third-party payers, he said. “We are ahead of the curve, but I hope everyone does what we do,” Dr. Smith said. “The cost of care is going up as a direct reaction to Obamacare. The more expensive health care gets, the more people are going to flock to us.”

    If and when she re-enters medicine, Dr. Rosenwasser said, she plans to take the pay-as-you-go approach. “If I do open another practice, it’s going to be me, the patient and no Medicare or Medicaid, no insurance coverage,” Dr. Rosenwasser said. “I’m going to treat my patients how I know they should be treated.”

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    I personally know two practices that have closed in advance of "Obamacare" and three practices that are limiting their new patients. I know two OB-GYN who are dropping their OB practice altogether.
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    One doctor I know closed his practice and now works for the VA (he loves it because he works less hours and doesn't have the aggravation such as paper work).

    another doctor is becoming a hospitalist where the money is less but the costs are less and a lot more free time

    another doctor with more degrees than Fahrenheit closed her practice and only deals with nursing homes because her practice repayments went from 3500 to 500 - she gets paid more if she deals with nursing homes than her private practice.

    a cousin in GA related that a 2 hr wait is normal and there is now a kiosk in the office to sign in when you arrive.

    doctor offices are becoming like manufacturing plants. one day we will all sit on a conveyer belt and have robots take our vitals BUT only if we first put the correct money in the machine. when the ride is over, we will get a printed read out of our visit. If we want a more detailed report, we will have the option of putting more money in the machine. depending on the diagnosis from this visit will determine where we are deposited: room A we are deemed able to live for at least 1 more year, Door B where we are considered treatable for under $20000, Door C where we are considered a lost cause and are deposited in biodegradable bags.

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    Oh, look: There aren’t enough California doctors to service Obamacare
    By Michelle Malkin • February 11, 2013 10:10 AM

    Several related items for you to contemplate this morning…

    First, my Fox News appearance last week in which I noted how doctors and would-be doctors are fleeing the practice of medicine over Obamacare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=BSNvQcrcusM

    Second, via Matthew Balan at Newsbusters, this vulgar gang of MSNBC liberals denigrating me over my critique of Obamacare — not by answering any of my policy points, but by making crude jokes about my appearance and body parts… http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew...th-care-nonsen

    JIM WARD: Did she need a colonoscopy to pull that out of her -ss? (Lavoie and Miller laugh) Is there insurance for that?

    CHRIS LAVOIE: Someone on your Facebook page just said, dear Michelle Malkin, your colon is not a fact checker, no many how many of your ignorant statements you pull out of your -ss. (Lavoie and Ward laugh)

    ...

    …Miller played the Malkin soundbite twice in the first hour of her program, first during a segment with Democratic Party strategist Karl Frisch, and again minutes later as she talked to Current TV correspondent Jacki Schechner, who once was the communications director for the pro-ObamaCare coalition Health Care for America Now. Ward’s colonoscopy line came during the Frisch segment.

    During the clip, the conservative writer talked about a “brain drain” from the health care sector as a result of ObamaCare. After Miller played it the second time, Ward chimed in with a barb at Malkin’s intelligence: “Boy, she would know about brain drain.” Schechner herself launched an insult at the Fox News commentator: “Michelle Malkin is a senior fellow at fantasy think tank.” She soon added, “I have no idea where she [Malkin] gets this stuff, other than just making it up out of her own mind.”

    About ten minutes later, a caller from Memphis, Tennessee named Gloria stooped to attacking Malkin’s appearance////
    Third, the latest Los Angeles Times headline from California about…the doctor shortage and its implications for Obamacare… http://www.latimes.com/health/la-me-...,1509396.story

    As the state moves to expand healthcare coverage to millions of Californians under President Obama’s healthcare law, it faces a major obstacle: There aren’t enough doctors to treat a crush of newly insured patients.

    Some lawmakers want to fill the gap by redefining who can provide healthcare. They are working on proposals that would allow physician assistants to treat more patients and nurse practitioners to set up independent practices. Pharmacists and optometrists could act as primary care providers, diagnosing and managing some chronic illnesses, such as diabetes and high-blood pressure.
    Fourth, this Healthcare Daily update on the continued loss of doctor-owned practices because of Obamacare: http://healthcare.dmagazine.com/2012...-on-a-decline/

    It is predicted that fewer than 40 percent of physicians will own a practice at the end of 2013, with nearly 90 percent of them citing business expenses a a top concern, according to a survey by Accenture.

    According to the consulting firm, 36 percent of physicians will own a practice by the end of the 2013, down from 57 percent in 2000:

    An accompanying survey of 204 physicians found that 87 percent cited business expenses as a top concern influencing their decisions to seek employment. Sixty-one percent named managed care, and 53 percent identified requirements for electronic health record systems. In addition, 53 percent mentioned problems managing staff, and 39 percent cited the large number of patients needed to break even.
    Fifth, the latest in a long line of Obamacare medical device tax-induced cutbacks and layoffs: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/0...al-device-tax/

    Minnesota’s medical device makers say a new tax to help pay for the federal health care law could cause cutbacks, and even layoffs.
    The state is home to more than 700 medical device companies, and between 250,000 to 300,000 workers.

    The nine employees left at Signus, a Chanhassen-based spinal implant company, took a 40 percent pay cut, and the owner isn’t getting paid at all. He blames the new medical device tax. “I look around and I don’t know how to explain it to everybody,” said Tom Hoghaug of Signus Medical. “Sorry, I have to lay you off because I have to pay tax to the federal government.”

    …Minnesota Congressman Erik Paulsen is trying to repeal the tax — an effort that has bipartisan support from Minnesota Democrats and Republicans. “There have already been thousands of layoffs across the country,” Paulsen said. “That means fewer jobs. It means less innovation.”
    And another new piece from the Washington Times spotlighting doctors closing their doors because of, you guessed it, Obamacare… http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...y-look-closel/

    After 25 years of practicing medicine, Dr. Tamzin Rosenwasser packed in her dermatology practice in 2011, barely a year after the passage of President Obama’s health care initiative. The timing wasn’t coincidental.

    “I have interrupted practicing medicine because of Obamacare,” said Dr. Rosenwasser. “I’d read the bill. I was conversant with what had already happened with Medicaid, and I didn’t want to go down that road with Obamacare.”

    The Affordable Care Act isn’t scheduled to be fully implemented until next year, but some doctors already are viewing it as dead on arrival. The medical rumor mill is abuzz with stories about physicians girding for Mr. Obama’s signature domestic policy achievement by limiting their exposure to Medicare and Medicaid, selling their practices, converting to fee-for-service approaches, or even retiring from medicine altogether.

    “Every single day, people are talking about retiring early, getting out of clinical medicine, or going into hospital administration, where you don’t have to think about patient care anymore,” said Dr. Richard Armstrong, a Michigan surgeon and chief operating officer of Docs 4 Patient Care, which opposes the Affordable Care Act.
    Reality outside the Beltway/MSNBC bubble bites.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2013/02/11...ice-obamacare/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge View Post
    Obamacare Summed Up In One Sentence
    ... it's a long sentence ....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=vdnY8r7_fLw

    We’re going to be gifted with a healthcare plan
    we are forced to purchase, and fined if we don’t,
    which puportedly covers at least 10 million more people,
    without adding a single new doctor,
    but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,
    written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it,
    passed by a congress that didn’t read it but exempted themselves from it,
    and signed by a president who smokes,
    with funding
    (laughing & applause)
    - same sentence –
    with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes,
    for which we will be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect,
    by a government which has already bankrupted social security and medicare,
    all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and (laughing & applause)
    and financed by a country that’s broke. (laughing & applause)

    So, what the blank (laughing & applause) could possibly go wrong?

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    seems this needs to be repeated ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge View Post
    Poll Results: Do you support Obamacare in it's present form as presented 03/22/10 ?

    yes - 13 votes - 23.64%


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    no - 42 votes - 76.36%

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    Voters: 55.


    Anyone wanting to change their vote ??
    Anybody ?? Anyone realising that ( surprise ) the politicains lied ( shock ) and what a massive boondoggle that this is turding out to be ?
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    It's time for our politicians to stop playing favorites with taxpayer dollars. Sally Jewell, Obama's nominee to head the Department of the Interior, gets a pass on Obamacare. Send them a message here! http://bit.ly/156cgSf

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    Are the hospitals in your area making you pay your high deductible up front before they'll do anything for you? Our hospital is saying thats what they have to do to be paid. I don't know how they expect people to come up with these deductibles up front.

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    February 10, 2013 by Publius Huldah
    Why Congress May Lawfully Require Citizens to Buy Guns & Ammunition, But Not To Submit To Obamacare


    Harvard Law School was embarrassed recently when one of its graduates, the putative President of the United States, demonstrated that he was unaware that the supreme Court has constitutional authority to declare an act of Congress unconstitutional.1

    And after reading a recent paper by Harvard law professor Einer Elhauge, one wonders whether the academic standards (or is it the moral standards?) of that once great school have collapsed.

    Professor Elhauge says in “If Health Insurance Mandates Are Unconstitutional, Why Did the Founding Fathers Back Them?” (The New Republic, April 13, 2012), that Congress may force us to buy health insurance because in 1792, our Framers required all male citizens to buy guns; and in 1798 required ship owners using U.S. ports (dock-Yards) to pay a fee to the federal government in order to fund hospitals for sick or disabled seamen at the U.S. ports.

    Oh! What tangled webs are woven when law professors write about Our Constitution!

    I have already proved that Art. I, Sec. 8, next to last clause (which grants to Congress “exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever” over dock-Yards and the other federal enclaves) is what authorizes Congress to assess the fee from ship owners who use the federal dock-Yards. See: Merchant Seamen in 1798, Health Care on Federal Enclaves, and Really Silly Journalists.

    Now I will show you where the Constitution grants authority to Congress to require adult citizens to get armed!

    The Constitution Authorizes Congress To Require Citizens to Buy Guns and Ammunition.


    In 1792, Congress passed “An Act more effectually to provide for the National Defense by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States”. //vigapi.tynt.com/api/click?format=go&key=f1f79f31e313bdb2b382c721aac778 07&loc=http%3A%2F%2Ffreedomoutpost.com%2F2013%2F02 %2Fwhy-congress-may-lawfully-require-citizens-to-buy-guns-ammunition-but-not-to-submit-to-obamacare%2F&subId=dCq__UZ1ir4yDEacwqm_6r&v=1&libi d=1360646967650&out=http%3A%2F%2Fmemory.loc.gov%2F cgi-bin%2Fampage%3FcollId%3Dllsl%26fileName%3D001%2Fll sl001.db%26recNum%3D394&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faceb ook.com%2Fl.php%3Fu%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Ffreedomou tpost.com%252F2013%252F02%252Fwhy-congress-may-lawfully-require-citizens-to-buy-guns-ammunition-but-not-to-submit-to-obamacare%252F%26h%3DFAQF07xjT%26s%3D1&title=Why%2 0Congress%20May%20Lawfully%20Require%20Citizens%20 to%20Buy%20Guns%20%26%20Ammunition%2C%20But%20Not% 20To%20Submit%20To%20Obamacare%20%3A%20Freedom%20O utpost&txt=An%20Act%20more%20effectually%20to%20pr ovide%20for%20the%20National%20Defense%20by%20esta blishing%20an%20Uniform%20Militia%20throughout%20t he%20United%20States&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13606471522 182 This Act required all able-bodied male citizens (except for federal officers and employees) between the ages of 18 and under 45 to enroll in their State Militia, get a gun and ammunition, and train.


    Does Congress have authority in the Constitution to require this? Yes! Article I, Sec. 8, clause 16 says Congress has the Power:

    “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;”

    That is what authorizes Congress to require adult male citizens to buy guns and ammunition.

    As Section 1 of the Militia Act of 1792 reflects, the “Militia” is the citizenry! Our Framers thought it such a fine idea that The People be armed, that they required it by law! See, e.g., the second half of Federalist Paper No. 46 where James Madison, Father of Our Constitution, speaks of how wonderful it is that the American People are armed – and why they need to be. 3

    So! In the case of Congress’ requiring adult citizens to buy guns and ammunition, Congress has specific authority under Art. I, Sec. 8, cl.16.


    In the case of Congress’ requiring ship owners who use the federal dock-Yards to pay the fees to fund the marine hospitals at the dock-Yards, Congress is granted by Art. I, Sec.8, next to last clause, a general legislative power over the federal enclaves, such as dock-Yards.4

    But for the country at large, Congress has no broad grant of legislative powers. There, Congress’ powers are few, limited, and strictly defined. See: Congress’ Enumerated Powers.

    Now, let us look at obamacare.

    What Clause in The Constitution Authorizes Congress to Force Us into Obamacare?


    Nothing! Over the Country at large (as opposed to the federal enclaves), Congress has only enumerated powers. These enumerated powers are listed in Art. I, Sec. 8, clauses 1-16 and in the Amendments addressing civil and voting rights. No enumerated power authorizes the federal government to force us into obamacare.

    So, Professor Elhauge introduces a nasty bit of poison. He says:

    “Nevermind that nothing in the text or history of the Constitution’s Commerce Clause indicates that Congress cannot mandate commercial purchases.”

    Do you see what he is doing? Surely he knows that obamacare is not authorized by any enumerated power. So! He asserts that nothing in the commerce clause says Congress can’t force us into obamacare. He thus seeks to pervert Our Constitution from one of enumerated powers only, to an abomination which says the federal government can do whatever it pleases as long as the commerce clause doesn’t forbid it.

    Furthermore, what he says is demonstrably false. The Federalist Papers & Madison’s Journal of the Federal Convention show that the purpose of the interstate commerce clause is to prevent the States from imposing tolls & tariffs on articles of merchandize as they are transported through the States for purposes of buying and selling. For actual quotes from Our Framers and irrefutable Proof that this is the purpose of the interstate commerce clause, see: “Does the Interstate Commerce Clause Authorize Congress to Force Us to Buy Health Insurance?”.

    Obamacare is unconstitutional as outside the scope of the legislative powers granted to Congress by Our Constitution. And it does much more than force us to buy medical insurance. Obamacare turns medical care over to the federal government to control. Bureaucrats in the Department of Health and Human Services will decide who gets medical treatment and what treatment they will get; and who will be denied medical treatment. If you think the federal government is doing a great job feeling up old ladies and little children at airports, wait until they are deciding whether you get medical care or “the painkiller”.

    Folks! The Time has come that we must recognize that social security and Medicare are also unconstitutional as outside the scope of the legislative powers granted to Congress by Our Constitution. We must confess that it is wicked to seek to live at other peoples’ expense! And when a People renounce Personal Responsibility – as we did when we embraced social security & Medicare – the federal government takes control.

    Social security and Medicare are fiscally bankrupt. Obamacare, which will prevent old people from getting medical care, is the progressives’ way of dealing with the unfunded liabilities in these programs: Kill off old people by preventing them from getting medical care!

    The Piper will be paid. Shall we pay him by killing off old people?

    Or, shall we return to Personal Responsibility and dismantle (in an orderly fashion) the wicked, unconstitutional, and fiscally unworkable social security and Medicare programs?

    Endnotes:

    1 Our Framers gave us an elegant system of Checks & Balances: Each branch of the federal government has a “check” on the other two branches. This is expressed primarily in the Oath of Office (Art. VI, cl. 3 & Art. II, Sec. 1, last clause) which requires each branch to obey the Constitution and not the other branches! The supreme Court’s check on Congress is to declare their Acts unconstitutional: See (in addition to the Oath) Art. III, Sec. 2, cl. 1; Federalist No. 78 (8th -15th paras); and Marbury v. Madison (1803).

    Congress’ check on the judicial branch is to impeach and remove federal judges who usurp power (Federalist No. 81, 8th para).

    2 Here is the URL for the Militia Act of 1792: Read it! And note how short it is. http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage....db&recNum=394

    3 In “The Patriot”, Mel Gibson’s character commanded a South Carolina Militia – civilians who took up arms against the British. Everyone knew that “the Militia” was the armed citizenry – farmers, trappers, shopkeepers, clergy, etc. It still is.

    4 Attorney Hal Rounds provides fascinating additional information on this issue: “Ships will dump sick sailors wherever they may make landfall, and the locals have the burden of dealing with the victim. Their care then raises the legal right to compensation for their services, which the law of nations allows to be levied against the nation, not just the owners, of the ship.” For Mr. Round’s full comment see the Postscript of April 7, 2012 here. http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/20...y-journalists/

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    Laissez les bon temps rouler! Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.** a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT! Not to be taken internally, literally or seriously ....Suki ebaynni IS THAT BETTER ?

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