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hesnothere · 06-23-2009, 07:57 AM

Here's a transcript from his radio show 9/9/05 where he shares his opinion of the 9/11 and Katrina victims. Real salt of the earth kind of guy, hunh?

BECK:
Let me be real honest with you. I don't think anybody on talk radio -- I don't think anybody in their right mind is going to say this out loud -- but I wonder if I'm the only one that feels this way. Yesterday, when I saw the ATM cards being handed out, the $2,000 ATM cards, and they were being handed out at the Astrodome. And they actually had to close the Astrodome and seal it off for a while because there was a near-riot trying to get to these ATM cards. My first thought was, it's not like they're going to run out of the $2,000 ATM cards. You can wait! You know, stand in line. Maybe it's because I'm the kind of guy, when I go to a buffet, I either have to be first in line, or I'm the very last. Because I know there's going to be extra food, and I just won't stand in the line. I'll wait until all the suckers go get their food, and then I'll go get mine. Or if I'm really hungry, I hate to admit this -- and really, I don't even have to be really hungry. If I'm really being a pig, I will kind of, like, hang out around the buffet table before the line is -- you know, chat with people right around the table: "Oh, they just opened the line! Let's go!" And then you're first in line.

When you are rioting for these tickets, or these ATM cards, the second thing that came to mind was -- and this is horrible to say, and I wonder if I'm alone in this -- you know it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victims' families? Took me about a year. And I had such compassion for them, and I really wanted to help them, and I was behind, you know, "Let's give them money, let's get this started." All of this stuff. And I really didn't -- of the 3,000 victims' families, I don't hate all of them. Probably about 10 of them. And when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, "Oh shut up!" I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining. And we did our best for them. And, again, it's only about 10.

But the second thought I had when I saw these people and they had to shut down the Astrodome and lock it down, I thought: I didn't think I could hate victims faster than the 9-11 victims. These guys -- you know it's really sad. We're not hearing anything about Mississippi. We're not hearing anything about Alabama. We're hearing about the victims in New Orleans. This is a 90,000-square-mile disaster site, New Orleans is 181 square miles. A hundred and -- 0.2 percent of the disaster area is New Orleans! And that's all we're hearing about, are the people in New Orleans. Those are the only ones we're seeing on television are the scumbags -- and again, it's not all the people in New Orleans. Most of the people in New Orleans got out! It's just a small percentage of those who were left in New Orleans, or who decided to stay in New Orleans, and they're getting all the attention. It's exactly like the 9-11 victims' families. There's about 10 of them that are spoiling it for everybody.

galeane29 · 06-23-2009, 08:36 AM

Many, Many, Many people did NOT agree with them just handing out those ATM cards. It was also proven that a very large percentage of those people that got those cards abused them also. You cant take that one thing and use it against Glenn Beck. We watch him here in our home every evening. He makes a TON of sense. He is trying to help our country and if anyone that thinks he is not well mentally would just listen to what he is saying, they would know that.

On and mikej? Like you don't have fault in your life and have never made mistakes. Your so perfect arent you?
Glenn Beck has admitted on his show on numerous events that he is a former alcoholic and that he was not proud of it but he has overcome. It takes a big man to admit that, dontcha think?

hesnothere · 06-23-2009, 09:08 AM

And when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, "Oh shut up!" I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining. And we did our best for them. And, again, it's only about 10.

Yep, real salt of the earth...birds of a feather I guess, to each their own.

galeane29 · 06-23-2009, 10:13 AM

I guess it's all in how you read it.

Yes there has been a lot done for these families but they keep coming back with their hands held out wanting more. That is where he is coming from but you only want to read a few words not look for the reasoning for it.

hesnothere · 06-23-2009, 10:31 AM

Actually, if he knew any of the families that were involved he may not have said what he did. I lost a lot of friends in The Towers and none of their families had their hands out nor do they keep going back for more. They would gladly give everything they have to have their loved ones back.

His hypocrisy is endless.

pepperpot · 06-23-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by galeane29

I guess it's all in how you read it.

Yes there has been a lot done for these families but they keep coming back with their hands held out wanting more. That is where he is coming from but you only want to read a few words not look for the reasoning for it.

The government lied about the toxins and such and said that the air was 'safe' at the time of 911. The poisoning of the responders, etc. for some are now just becoming issues.....they may have not showed issues 5 years ago, but now do.....all stemming from 911. So I don't think it's the same people 'coming back' but people who are now just experiencing the aftermath of being poisoned coming forward. Exposure to some of the stuff from 911 takes a few years for the symptoms and diseases to become noticable. Should they be denied care and/or help? No.

Look at the coal mining towns with black lung disease, those who worked with asbestos, etc.......it takes years for the symptoms to show.

Comparing Katrina to 911 is apples and oranges in that respect.

JMO

galeane29 · 06-23-2009, 11:02 AM

I've lost love ones also, my husband to name one. I go on with my life, I live and breath and don't blame others for my misfortunes. I make my own future and don't point fingers and place blame.

It's like those people that blame their childhood on how they turned out today. I had a horrible child hood but I think I turned out pretty damn good in spite.
Or like those that sue because they spilled hot coffee on themselves and try to blame others for their stupidity.

Seriously, how was anyone to know that the air was not fit? Who do you blame for that? You cannot pinpoint a blame when something like that happens.

I feel for the families, I truly do and I know that Glenn Beck is a heartfelt person but to keep hearing over and over about the problems that a select few have when there are thousands across our nation that die every day and are sick from this or that, that is not televised now is it? We all have our heartache and pain do we get our day on the boob tube because of it?

pepperpot · 06-23-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by galeane29

Seriously, how was anyone to know that the air was not fit? Who do you blame for that? You cannot pinpoint a blame when something like that happens.

Where were you? It was all over the news and documented that the government knew the air contained massive amounts of known carcinogens and Christine Whitman (EPA) declared the area 'safe'. She out and out lied to avoid a panic.

Had the truth been told, the responders would've worn protective gear, etc. They chose to lie and it's documented.

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September 11 attacks
Whitman appeared twice in New York City after the September 11 attacks to inform New Yorkers that the toxins released by the attacks posed no threat to their health.[22] On September 18, the EPA released a report in which Whitman said, "Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C. that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink." She also said, "The concentrations are such that they don't pose a health hazard...We're going to make sure everybody is safe."[23] Later, a 2003 report by the EPA's inspector general determined that such assurances were misleading, because the EPA "did not have sufficient data and analyses" to justify the assertions when they were made.[24] A report in July 2003 from the EPA's Office of Solid Waste and Emergency Response gave extensive documentation supporting many of the inspector general's conclusions, and carried some of them still further.[25] Further, the report found that the White House had "convinced EPA to add reassuring statements and delete cautionary ones" by having the National Security Council control EPA communications after the September 11 attacks.[26]

In February 2006, U.S. District Court Judge Deborah A. Batts issued a ruling that rejected Whitman's request for immunity in a 2004 class action lawsuit brought by a group who claimed exposure to hazardous debris from the collapse of the World Trade Center. The judge stated that "No reasonable person would have thought that telling thousands of people that it was safe to return to lower Manhattan, while knowing that such return could pose long-term health risks and other dire consequences, was conduct sanctioned by our laws," and called Whitman's actions "conscience-shocking."[27][28]

In June 2007, Whitman testified in front of Congress about the Agency's culpability in telling rescue workers that the air was safe. She was repeatedly booed by rescue workers and activists who attended the hearing. She defended herself by saying her statements about the air being safe were to people living or working near the area, not to rescue workers. She also said terrorists, not the EPA, were responsible for the tragedies that befell people after September 11.[29] In December 2007, legal proceedings began in a case on the question of responsibility of government officials in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Whitman is among the defendants in the suit; plaintiffs in the suit allege that Whitman is at fault for saying that the downtown New York air was safe in the aftermath of the attacks.[30]

In April 2008, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit overruled the district court, holding that as EPA head Whitman could not be held liable for saying to World Trade Center area residents that the air was safe for breathing after the buildings collapse. The court said that Whitman had based her information on contradictory information and statements from President Bush. The U.S. Department of Justice had argued that holding the agency liable would establish a risky legal precedent because future public officials would be afraid to make public statements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Todd_Whitman

pepperpot · 06-23-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by galeane29

I've lost love ones also, my husband to name one. I go on with my life, I live and breath and don't blame others for my misfortunes. I make my own future and don't point fingers and place blame.

It's like those people that blame their childhood on how they turned out today. I had a horrible child hood but I think I turned out pretty damn good in spite.
Or like those that sue because they spilled hot coffee on themselves and try to blame others for their stupidity.

Yes, I've lost loved ones as well and have gone on.

However, if the illness one is now suffering from was caused because "one's" boss sent one in to work declaring it 'safe'....then yes, they should handle some of the responsibility from the fall out.

If the government refuses to take care of rescue workers who risked their lives and were lied to by the government of the risks, do you really think that at the next disaster....they will run in to save you or will they think twice and possibly not go in as they don't trust the information given to them? The rescue workers are 'government agencies' and the government knowingly lied and put these people in risk. Would you work for an employer who lied about the risks and then failed to take care of you after you got sick....some fatally....?

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This is not the case of someone choosing to smoke after being told that it's a health hazard.

They were mislead and are suffering the consequences, that's not something to ignore and 'get over'...they need help.

If we fail to help our rescue workers....they won't be here to rescue us when we need them.

And the point is not just to blame someone to hang a hat on.....it's pointing out where the system failed and help the people who are DYING.....the people who went it to save others, not someone who has nightmares from an abusive childhood.

pepperpot · 06-23-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by galeane29

I feel for the families, I truly do and I know that Glenn Beck is a heartfelt person but to keep hearing over and over about the problems that a select few have when there are thousands across our nation that die every day and are sick from this or that, that is not televised now is it? We all have our heartache and pain do we get our day on the boob tube because of it?

But 911 is not a 'select few'.....there were massive amounts of rescue workers there. Not just 10 people who keep submitting a claim.....but 'new' submissions for illness stemming from 911 causing their death. Their insurance tapping out at max and treatments still being needed.....all due to 911. We should poo-poo them and tell them to stop whining? That's a heartfelt guy?

Yes, there are thousand of people who are injured in the work place.....worker's comp anyone? And if the employer were negligent in causing the accident/illness...they are held responsible and liable....look at the court system. Not every case is frivilous.

Why are those cases not televised? Because it was not the goverment, not the massive amounts of people involved and not the push to silence them.

Yes, we all have heartache and pain. And I see so many threads here that when someone (one person) feels they were wronged and have tried to settle the matter unsuccessfully....so many here have said "Call the news help line", "Call the newspaper", "alert the media", "make them take care of this injustice".....and it was about a parking ticket or something. These are people's lives.

I agree with it getting tiresome of hearing about this for soooo looongggg.....but we are only 'hearing' about this....not living it day to day.....it's much longer for them. Perhaps if they got the help needed and which they deserved....they'd "shut up already".

janelle · 06-23-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mikej

Of course you would. Watch Faux news?

Glenn Beck is a Mormon and former alcoholic. He uses a tagline, "We surround them." Sounds to me like he wants you to kill your neighbor; but, only if they're liberal.

You don't like Mormons? Being a FORMER alcoholic is grounds for saying one is mentally unstable?

Beck is against ALL politicians who are screwing us. He isn't conservative or liberal. He is against bad government. Never heard him talk about violence, just voting the bums out.