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From the House GOP Conference Secretary’s office:
Democrats Gag Debate on Failure to Follow House Rules
(WASHINGTON, DC) – In an astonishing acceleration of the stifling of debate and transparency in the House, Democrats tonight voted to adjourn and gag the planned special orders speeches of U.S. Representatives John Carter (R-TX) and Steve King (R-IA).
Carter and King had announced they would discuss Democrat Majority Leader Steny Hoyer’s (D-MD) statement that the upcoming health care reform effort would fail if Members were required to read the legislation. House Democrats accordingly silenced floor debate on the issue by voting to close early.
“The Democrats are the majority – for now,” says Carter, House Republican Conference Secretary. “They chose to silence debate on the floor by gagging House Republican Members from using their historical right to speak after the close of the day. But they cannot stop us from speaking and letting the American public know the truth about their ongoing assault against representative democracy.”
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While I enjoy reading news articles, it's a lot nicer to read someone's thoughts and opinions (not the person who wrote the article/blog either). If I only read articles, then I'm not a very informed person, more like a very biased person.
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A Senate staffer passes along the CBO/Joint Committee on Taxation report scoring the House health care takeover.
Bottom line from the staffer:
[quote]$1.042 trillion over “ten years”, though the program really gets going in 2015 so its more like a 5 year score. Also, don’t forget most bills carve out unions so that they have a reprieve. Who needs card check [with] US government health insurance as a recruiting tool.
I’ve uploaded the full report: Read it here.
http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/m...ee-rangel2.pdf
From the caveats section of the report intro:
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Important Caveats Regarding This Preliminary Analysis
There are several reasons why the preliminary analysis that is provided in this letter and its attachments does not constitute a comprehensive cost estimate for the coverage provisions of America’s Affordable Health Choices Act:
• First, our analysis was based on specifications regarding insurance coverage that were provided by the tri-committee group and that differ in important ways from the “discussion draft” version of legislative language that was released on June 19, 2009. The specifications that we analyzed are supposed to be reflected in the draft language released by the three committees today, but we have not yet been able to analyze that language to determine whether it conforms to those specifications. Our review of that language could have a significant effect on our analysis. More generally, as our understanding of the specifications improves, that also could affect our future estimates.
• Second, some effects of the proposal have not yet been fully captured in our analysis. In particular, we have not yet estimated the administrative costs to the federal government of implementing the specified policies, nor have we accounted for all of the proposal’s likely effects on spending for other federal programs. We expect to include those effects in the near future, but we also expect that they will not have a sizable impact on our analysis.
• Third, the budgetary information shown in the attached table reflects many of the major cash flows that would affect the federal budget as a result of implementing the specified policies, and it provides our preliminary assessment of the proposal’s net effects on the federal budget deficit (subject to the caveats listed above). Some additional cash flows would appear in the budget—either as outlays and offsetting receipts or outlays and revenues—but would net to zero and thus would not affect the deficit. CBO and the JCT staff have not yet estimated all of those cash flows but expect to do so in the near future.2 Those additional cash flows would include the premiums collected by the public plan and its outlays as well as risk-adjustment transfers from plans with relatively healthy enrollees to plans with relatively unhealthy enrollees.
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Check out the very handy chart from Philip Klein making clear how the CBO’s 10-Year time frame obscures the full cost of Obamacare. Some 83 percent of the spending in the Dems’ House plan doesn’t kick in until the second 5-year period. http://spectator.org/blog/2009/07/14...me-obscures-fu
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It's important to keep in mind that the most costly aspects of the legislation involve providing subsidies to individuals to purchase health care ($773 billion) and to expand Medicaid ($438 billion), but it takes several years for those provisions to kick in. As you can see from the chart below, that means that the costs start out relatively modest but ramp up over time. In the first three years of the plan the cost of the subsidies and Medicaid expansion is just $8 billion; in the first five years, it's $202 billion; but in the last five years, it's $979 billion. Put another way, 17 percent of the spending comes in the first five years, while 83 percent comes in the second five years. What this means is that the American people see $1 trillion over 10 years and they think that means the bill would cost about $100 billion a year -- but the reality is more than double that. In the final year of the CBO estimates, 2019, the spending hits $230 billion.
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It is amazing how the Democrats, like Chris Dodd, scoff at the CBO's estimates. He doesn't understand how to manage a business which is what health care is. After 2019, then what? And this is just nationalized health care. It doens't include the impending collapse of Social Secuity and Medicare. If this is the best gov't can do, I want a re-election for ALL elected officials. This is a horror story with an ending Steven King couldn't fathom.
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We are ALL going to pay for this BIG TIME ! The number of small businesses going under will put MILLIONS more out of work !
Forced healthcare ?? What are they thinking !!
Is there ANYTHING the government doesn't have their hands in now ??
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We do need health care reform in America, but there is a right way -- and a wrong way -- to go about it.
President Obama and Congressional Democrats want a government-run health care system that puts a Washington bureaucrat between American families and their doctors. And they are hurrying to pass and sign a bill as quickly as they can.
Obama has ordered the Pelosi/Reid-run Congress to get him a bill to sign before August 8th, when Congress begins its summer recess. That's less than 25 days from now.
Why the rush?
The Democrats have learned from their missteps last time they tried to force Americans into a socialized health care system -- the abysmal failure of the Clinton Administration's "HillaryCare."
So now, they are rushing "Obamacare" through Congress, hoping it avoids the same fate.
President Obama and Congressional Democrats think government is the solution to every problem. They're wrong.
The government already runs car companies, banks and mortgage companies. Republicans believe that the last thing the American people want is government telling them when and where -- or even whether -- they can get medical treatment for their families.
The RNC believes your voice should be heard before the Obama Democrats nationalize almost one fifth of our economy, incur trillions of dollars in new spending and debt, and begin rationing health care to the American people.
Your opinion on the many domestic and foreign policy issues that America faces has been vital. The future of health care in America is so important -- especially as Obama Democrats are moving swiftly to bring European-style socialized medicine here -- that I am asking for more of your grassroots insight today.
That's why I hope you will take a moment right now to fill out online our Future of American Health Care survey. Your input will help Republican leaders in Washington, D.C. and across America know where you stand on the Obama Democrats' nationalized health care plans and the Republican alternative. http://web.campaignsolutions.com/rnc...y=LN6JXSNPWNRM
And, after you complete your survey, please take this opportunity to make a secure online contribution of $1,000, $500, $100, $50 or $25 to help support our efforts to combat the Democrats' attempt to impose "Obamacare" on all of us.
You and the RNC are all that stand between our sensible Republican plan for real health care reform and the Democrats' scheme to take more of your hard-earned income to pay for other people's health care while limiting yours.
So please complete your Future of American Health Care survey online right now and support our efforts to ensure our health care freedoms by making a special RNC contribution if you can. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Michael Steele
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And, after you complete your survey, please take this opportunity to make a secure online contribution of $1,000, $500, $100, $50 or $25 to help support our efforts to combat the Democrats' attempt to impose "Obamacare" on all of us.
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yeah ... that's not gonna happen ....
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Future of American Health Care Survey questions:
1. Do you believe that the state of America’s health care system is in crisis?
Yes
No
Undecided
2. What is your biggest concern regarding health care in America as it is today?
Cost
Quality
Availability
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3. Do you believe that your health care decisions should be made by you and your doctor, and not government bureaucrats in Washington, D.C.?
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4. Do you believe it is right for the federal government to use age and life expectancy as criteria for determining access to health care?
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Undecided
5. Estimates show that the Democrats' plan could cost more than $1.7 trillion dollars. Do you believe that America can afford this added debt when the deficit has already reached record levels?
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6. If you have private health insurance, please rate your level of satisfaction with your coverage:
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7. Rationing of health care in countries with socialized medicine has led to patients dying because they were forced to wait too long to receive treatment. How concerned are you that this would be inevitable in the U.S. under the Democrats' plan?
Extremely Concerned
Mildly Concerned
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Don't Care
8. Do you approve of the Republican plan to give small businesses tax breaks to cover the cost of their employees' heath care insurance?
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9. Do you believe the federal Government can provide better health insurance than your current plan?
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10. Over 120 million Americans currently receive health care insurance through their employment. Should this private sector health coverage be preserved in any health care reform plan?
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11. Does it concern you that the Democrats are trying to ram health care legislation through Congress THIS MONTH to limit the American people's opportunity to evaluate it?
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12. Does it concern you that the liberal media has gone to unprecedented levels to only give Obama's views on health care reform and no one else's?
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Read that headline twice :
Obama shifts into campaign mode on health care
Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar And Ben Feller, Associated Press Writers
24 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Firing up his drive for health care overhaul, President Barack Obama pressed lawmakers Wednesday to step up to their responsibilities and move legislation this summer, even as his campaign organization rolled out television ads targeting reluctant senators.
A Senate panel cast a milestone vote to advance a bill, the first to act on Obama's goal. But the party-line decision in the health committee signaled a deepening rift in Congress. While Democrats respond to Obama's call for action with renewed determination, Republicans are using harsher words to voice their misgivings.
The political space for a bipartisan compromise that could win support from most sectors of society appeared to be narrowing by the hour. The Republican National Committee, in a fundraising appeal, warned of "Obamacare," a play on the failed "Hillarycare" of the 1990s.
The president, in a Rose Garden appearance with nurses, gave a nod to the goal of bipartisanship. But he left no doubt that he wants action above all else — and quickly. House committees prepared to vote as early as Thursday on their legislation.
Wednesday's Senate health committee vote "should make us hopeful — but it can't make us complacent," Obama said. "It should instead provide the urgency for both the House and the Senate to finish their critical work on health reform before the August recess." Obama wants each chamber to act this summer, so lawmakers can reconcile differences in their respective bills after Labor Day and put final legislation on his desk this fall.
Obama's all-out effort since he returned from his overseas trip last week has "galvanized things," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.
But a senior Republican whom Obama courted only a few months ago to become his commerce secretary sounded alarm bells.
"This supposed health care fix is a health care failure and a disaster for the American people," said Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H. "We still have time to turn this process around instead of steamrolling our country into a sub-par government-run plan, but it will require serious action from Democrats and Republicans and a pledge to put politics aside."
The debate is taking on the flavor of a campaign. In the crosshairs are moderate senators, Democrats and Republicans, whose votes could provide the edge in a closely divided Senate.
Obama's political organization launched a series of 30-second television ads on health care, which will begin airing Wednesday in Washington and on cable TV nationally. A version will run for two weeks on local stations in eight states — Arkansas, Indiana, Florida, Louisiana, Maine, North Dakota, Nebraska and Ohio — to prod senators to back the health care effort.
In the ads, private citizens describe problems they've had with the medical system and say it's time for action. The sponsor is Organizing for America, Obama's campaign organization, which has become part of the national Democratic Party. The group would not reveal the cost.
Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., one of the lawmakers targeted, said the ads would not affect his decision. He has concerns that the evolving Democratic plans would give government too big a role.
Obama's goal is to cover the nearly 50 million uninsured Americans while trying to slow the rate of increase in health care costs. He supports a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, but he says he doesn't want to overturn the system of employer-sponsored health benefits that has served middle-class families for better than half a century. He wants the legislation to be fully paid for and the total cost kept around $1 trillion over 10 years.
The 13-10 vote in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee took the Senate only part of the way. Another panel, the Finance Committee, still has to unveil its approach. The plan is to combine the two bills for a floor vote.
Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., met Wednesday with committee Democrats to try to settle how to pay for the bill and other issues.
"We're just not quite there," Baucus said after the meeting. Obama has pushed Baucus to have a bill ready by week's end, but Baucus declined to say whether he'd made a timetable commitment to the president.
The health panel's $600-billion measure would require individuals to get health insurance and employers to contribute to the cost. The bill calls for the government to provide financial assistance with premiums for individuals and families making up to four times the federal poverty level, or about $88,000 for a family of four, a broad cross-section of the middle class.
Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., said he regretted that no Republicans voted for the bill, but that it was more important to get good legislation than to get GOP votes.
"There is a value in achieving bipartisanship, but I will not sacrifice a good bill for that. That's not the goal here," said Dodd, who stood in as chairman for Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., who is being treated for brain cancer.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health...FtYXNoaWZ0c2k-
Is he ever OUT of "campaign mode" ??
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If socialized medicine is good enough to force on American taxpayers, it’s good enough for Congress. I like this House resolution from Rep. John Fleming requiring lawmakers in Washington to enroll in any government-run health plan it decides to foist on the rest of us.
Read and sign the petition supporting House Resolution 615 here: http://www.fleming.house.gov/
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Over the past few weeks, members of Congress and the American people have come to know the details of the Administration’s proposed health care plan. Call it whatever you like, this proposal is nothing more than government-run health care. As a physician, I am amazed at the number of bureaucrats in this House who are quick to claim a government-run health care plan is the reform this country needs. In response to this, I have offered a resolution that will offer members of Congress an opportunity to put their money where their mouth is, and urge their colleagues who vote for legislation creating a government-run health care plan to lead by example and enroll themselves in the same public plan.
Under the current draft of the Democrat healthcare legislation, members of Congress are curiously exempt from the government-run health care option, keeping their existing health plans and services on Capitol Hill. If Members of Congress believe so strongly that government-run health care is the best solution for hard working American families, I think it only fitting that Americans see them lead the way. Public servants should always be accountable and responsible for what they are advocating, and I challenge the American people to demand this from their representatives.
If you agree with me, sign our online petition below and together we will work to ensure that any plan that is good enough is for American families is good enough for every member of Congress.
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Senate committee passes health care takeover, 13-10
The NYTimes is thrilled to report: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-care-bill/?hp
Voting on strict party lines, the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee approved a bill on Wednesday to revamp the nation’s health care system, as Democrats said that the legislation held the promise of more universal health coverage and more effective and affordable medical care while Republicans argued that the measure was unaffordable and would lead not to better care but to the denial of it.
The committee vote was 13 to 10.
The acting committee chairman, Senator Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut, had made clear from the start that his panel would bend little when it came to the top priorities of Senate Democrats and the Obama administration, including on a provision to create a government-run health insurance plan to compete with private insurers that Republicans insisted was a deal-breaker.
In the end however, Republicans held their ranks. In his closing statement, Senator Michael B. Enzi of Wyoming said that Republicans had been forced to offer more than 100 amendments to the bill because Democrats had largely shut them out of the drafting process. And he said that the $1 trillion, 10-year cost of the measure would simply drive the nation further into debt, while denying many Americans the choices for health care providers that they now enjoy.
Mr. Enzi, with a hint of sarcasm, noted that the bill’s title was the “Affordable Health Choices Act.”
“With its trillion-dollar price tag,” Mr. Enzi said, “this bill is anything but affordable.”
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Have you seen the Vast Obamacare Bureaucracy:
http://gopleader.gov/News/DocumentSi...umentID=137304
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Importing the Uninsured
Immigration could trip up the Democrats’ planned health-care takeover.
By James R. Edwards Jr.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...Y1ZmJiNzUxYWE=
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) has insisted the Senate will deal with immigration and health reform separately. And Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D., Mont.) told the Dallas Morning News in May, “We’re not going to cover undocumented aliens, undocumented workers. That’s too politically explosive.”
But it’s hard to envision how health reform can avoid tripping the immigration booby trap. Approximately 15–22 percent of the 46 million residents of the United States without health coverage are illegal aliens. That’s about 9 or 10 million people. More generally, a third of the foreign-born are uninsured, Census data analyzed by the Center for Immigration Studies show. That means something like 12.6 million people, or more than a fourth of the total uninsured, are immigrants, both legal and illegal. Since 1989, immigration is responsible for 71 percent of the rise in those without health insurance. The fact is, the problem of the uninsured would be a more manageable one if the U.S. were not admitting millions of uninsured immigrants.
Two health-care plans working their way through Congress — the bill from the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP), and a draft outline put together by Baucus’s Finance Committee — could suffer because of this interaction between immigration and medicine.
For example, the HELP bill’s proponents hope to expand Medicaid so that everyone earning up to 50 percent above the federal poverty level can enroll (currently, Medicaid income requirements vary by state, with the poverty level being the usual limit). Since immigration law only requires relatives who sponsor someone for an immigrant visa to earn 25 percent above the poverty level, the end result would be that someone poor enough to qualify for Medicaid would be able to sponsor new immigrants to the U.S. What are the chances that these newcomers sponsored by Medicaid recipients would be able to afford health insurance when their sponsors can’t?
And under the Finance Committee’s plan, tax credits for buying insurance would be available to individuals who earn up to three times the poverty level. (That’s $32,490 for individuals and $66,150 for families of four.) Like other refundable tax credits — meaning that if your tax credit is worth more than you pay in taxes, the government sends you a check for the difference — this health-coverage tax credit would amount to a welfare-type subsidy funded by those Americans who pay taxes.
No health legislation on the table requires federal, state, or local agencies — or private institutions receiving federal funds — to check the immigration status of health-program applicants, so some of the money distributed via Medicaid and tax credits inevitably would go to illegal aliens.
Also, the HELP bill makes citizens and lawful aliens eligible for a new Right Choices program — an advocacy program providing Democrats jobs spending taxpayer money. And another part of the Finance Committee plan would exempt illegal immigrants from a mandate to buy insurance. Uninsured Americans would have to pay a fine, but uninsured illegal aliens would be off the hook — thus, they would have no reason to buy their own coverage or to stop receiving taxpayer-funded health services at clinics, emergency rooms, etc.
If the children’s health reauthorization early this Congress is any indication, liberals intend to redistribute income even to aliens. The Pelosi Congress dropped requirements that SCHIP applicants document their legal status, dumbed down standards so stolen Social Security numbers can be accepted, and allowed illegal aliens onto SCHIP for up to 90 days.
A recent Rasmussen poll found 80 percent of American voters oppose covering illegal immigrants in any health-reform bill, while just 11 percent support it. And 70 percent oppose universal health care if illegal aliens are included.
The American people may soon realize how much health reform will benefit immigrants and cost the native-born. When that happens, the volatile politics of immigration could derail universal health care.
See also : Bleeding us dry for our health
http://www.punditandpundette.com/200...ur-health.html
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I really think this healthcare program of his is going to be a really big mistake and a very costly one. The next president is going to have his hands full trying to fix it.
They said on the news they can't get an answer from anyone in congress about if Obamas healthcare program is so good are they going to use it. Makes me wonder if its so good why aren't they going to use it.
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I personally think we shouldnt pass a important program in so fast. We need to pass a bill that has all the i's dotted and t's crossed. I agree everyone deserves the chance to have medical. I think we should create programs to help those who want it to be able to afford it. I do not want the goverment in any way to run my medical care. I also want the senate to join and use the medical program they are expecting others to use. That is the only way it will get done right.
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Two more Obamacare items worth your attention this morning:
1) Investors’ Business Daily shines light on a provision in the Democrat takeover bill that will effectively kill off the market for individual insurance and funnel consumers into the “public option:” http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...32548165656854
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When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.
It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of “Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage,” the “Limitation On New Enrollment” section of the bill clearly states:
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“Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day” of the year the legislation becomes law.
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So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won’t be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.
2) The National Taxpayers Union weighed the references to taxes and regulation versus the references to options and choice in the Dems’ behemoth proposal. They found 1400 references to “taxes/regulation” compared to 88 for “choice/options.” And this sums it all up: http://blog.ntu.org/main/post.php?post_id=4771
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The terms “consumer-driven” and “patient-driven” as in consumer-driven and patient-driven choices and health care do not appear in the bill.
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Boston Medical is suing the state of Massachusetts to recoup costs after the state cut funding to healthcare.
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“At a time when everyone funded and served by state government is being asked to do more with less, B.M.C. has been treated no differently,” said Dr. JudyAnn Bigby, the state secretary of health and human services, in a prepared statement. “We are confident that the administration’s actions in this area comply with all applicable law and will be upheld.”
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Translation: We don’t care if you lost over $30 million last year, it’s a state run program so just eat your loss and like it.
Funny that Mass is the state being used to model this program after.
A lot of us have believed that this government sponsored “alternative” was just the first step to eliminating private coverage by creating an entity that the private sector couldn’t compete with. But now, they’ve actually put in the bill their intention to kill private healthcare by not allowing for new enrollees.
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Check out this link, http://docs.house.gov/gopleader/Hous...ealth-Plan.pdf you won’t believe the boondoggles in this mess that is the Democrap “Health Plan”! Where does “Civil Rights Dept.” and “Linguistic & Cultural Competence Training” come into health care?
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