Obama outlines health care plan for all - Page 4 - Big Big Forums

speedygirl · 06-11-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by anothersta

If that's the case, how does that explain the Medicare fraud we hear about and the waste in the healthcare system?
Sounds like the healthcare industry is already being careful about what they spend. Can you imagine, rather than to be dealing with an insurance company, dealing with a health Czar?

A government bureaucrat making your healthcare decisions.

When I signed on for the job I chose nursing in order to be available to patients and because I love the work. I didn't get an RN, MSN and MS in Clinical Psych in order to be a paper pusher. Of course healthcare fraud happens but I don't deal in medical billing. We have people that do that. If someone screws with a CPT, ICD-9 and 10 and so forth, I don't see it. I can tell you with 100% honesty when I precertifyand deal with insurance companies it's for the need of the patient.
I don't know why you would even question my prior statement, as bolded above.
I already live in a state that has healthcare reform and waste is very minimal with so many fingers in the pie.

Jolie Rouge · 06-11-2009, 12:45 AM

If we just all sit criss-cross-applesauce-style and chant “Ommmmm,” the economy will improve, peace will reign, and the world will be a better place! Via Eric Zimmerman at The Hill:

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Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) says he’s found a cost effective way to address chronic pain, stress, and other illnesses: meditation.

Ryan is urging policymakers to consider adding “mindfulness education”–learning to reduce one’s own stress level–to healthcare reform legislation.

“Every day, I meditate for at least 45 minutes before leaving home in the morning,” Ryan wrote on his website. “I find it makes me a better listener, and my concentration is sharper. I get less distracted when I’m reading. It’s like you see through the clutter of life and can penetrate to what’s really going on.”

At a hearing last week, Ryan asked HHS Secretary Kathleen [Sebelius] to keep in mind the positive effects of mindfulness when re-working the nation’s healthcare system…

…”I think it’s a prevention strategy that I know has the potential of paying huge dividends,” Sebelius said.

So we’re already moving away from rationing healthcare to 'stay home and think about it' care ? We should all be looking into natural healing methods such as aroma therapy, acupuncture, herbal medicines, pyramid power etc…. That is all that will be available to the common folk after ObamaCare passes. Best to beat the rush start looking for your preferred treatments now. Sticking one’s head in the sand works well too....

The daily stretches were part of 1984, no?

One more step toward melding government into the/a religion.

ilovecats · 06-11-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

If we just all sit criss-cross-applesauce-style and chant “Ommmmm,” the economy will improve, peace will reign, and the world will be a better place! Via Eric Zimmerman at The Hill:

So we’re already moving away from rationing healthcare to 'stay home and think about it' care ? We should all be looking into natural healing methods such as aroma therapy, acupuncture, herbal medicines, pyramid power etc…. That is all that will be available to the common folk after ObamaCare passes. Best to beat the rush start looking for your preferred treatments now. Sticking one’s head in the sand works well too....

The daily stretches were part of 1984, no?

One more step toward melding government into the/a religion.

I have no personal experience with the things you mentioned but read enough to know that yes,natural healing can do a lot of good.Unless you have tried it maybe you shouldn't knock it.

YankeeMary · 06-11-2009, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by speedygirl

When I signed on for the job I chose nursing in order to be available to patients and because I love the work. I didn't get an RN, MSN and MS in Clinical Psych in order to be a paper pusher. Of course healthcare fraud happens but I don't deal in medical billing. We have people that do that. If someone screws with a CPT, ICD-9 and 10 and so forth, I don't see it. I can tell you with 100% honesty when I precertifyand deal with insurance companies it's for the need of the patient.
I don't know why you would even question my prior statement, as bolded above.I already live in a state that has healthcare reform and waste is very minimal with so many fingers in the pie.

Well, its because of what I said, She likes to argue.

Jolie Rouge · 06-11-2009, 01:06 AM

jasmine · 06-11-2009, 01:12 AM

I remember when my girls were very young, and we didn't have "employee" health care, and didn't qualify for state assisted care (dhs), we had nothing. And I remember using some home remedies, can't remember all since it's been so long ago. One thing I did do though I remember, was put garlic oil into their ears if they had a ear ache, I know some disagree with this, but it worked in my case, thank God.
Now, when things got bad, I took them to a doctor, or the ER.
I am just so leery on using some home made health measures because I am afraid of mixing this with that, and that with this, and have a bad reaction. Because alot of the herbs and stuff your not suppose to criss=cross mix.
I guess I need to get a book or something.

On that note, I am so glad that my children do have health care now. Mind you, it's not in any way cheap, we pay for it, and with all the copays...... ugh

Jolie Rouge · 06-11-2009, 01:27 AM

Next up: Obama appoints the…

…Distinguished Overlord of Oxygen Intake (to limit individual human carbon emissions);

…Exalted Diva of Diversity Broadcasting (to enforce the Fairness Doctrine and limit exposure to excessive, poisonous conservative opinion on the airwaves).

…Royal Captain of Calorie Consumption (to limit weight gain and end obesity)...

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Wait ... that last one isn't a joke ...

Introducing the Royal Captain of Calorie Consumption, via Politico: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23559.html

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President Barack Obama eats his vegetables and exercises every day — and he really wants you to do the same.

From the White House garden to his picks for top health jobs, Obama is telling America’s McDonald’s-loving, couch-dwelling, doctor-phobic populace that things are about to change.

Don’t be fooled by the presidential burger runs. Obama and Congress are moving across several fronts to give government a central role in making America healthier — raising expectations among public health experts of a new era of activism unlike any before.

Any health care reform plan that Obama signs is almost certain to call for nutrition counseling, obesity screenings and wellness programs at workplaces and community centers. He wants more time in the school day for physical fitness, more nutritious school lunches and more bike paths, walking paths and grocery stores in underserved areas.

The president is filling top posts at Health and Human Services with officials who, in their previous jobs, outlawed trans fats, banned public smoking or required restaurants to provide a calorie count with that slice of banana cream pie.

Even Congress is getting into the act, giving serious consideration to taxing sugary drinks and alcohol to help pay for the overhaul.

IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT’S BUSINESS to force me to eat and live in a style which the arrogant government has decided is the healthy way to eat and live - whether the government is correct in that assessment or not.

I’m sorry, but isn’t this America?! If I thought there was a market for it, shouldn’t I be able to open a smoker-friendly restaurant called “Trans-Fats R’ Us” and serve sugar-coated deep-fried sticks of butter?

This Nanny-state is going to kill us saving us from ourselves!

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History footnote: The term “special master” is a legal term referring to court-appointed volunteers who ensure that judicial orders are followed. In common law, “special masters in lunacy” handled psychiatric cases.

jasmine · 06-11-2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

He wants more time in the school day for physical fitness, more nutritious school lunches and more bike paths, walking paths and grocery stores in underserved areas..

now I agree with that, I know when my kids were kindergarten through the 5th grade, they had outside recess and tether ball, basketball etc.. to do on their lunch, as soon as they hit the 6th grade and up, they had nothing to do on lunch but just sit there in the cafeteria. They had no playground, basket ball or nothing.
I am all for P.E. class also, they need some excercize. The only ones that really get it are the ones that are in athletics, and let's face it, not all qualify to get into that.

anothersta · 06-11-2009, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by speedygirl

I don't know why you would even question my prior statement, as bolded above.

I wasn't suggesting you weren't telling the truth. I'm questioning the MSM and BHO who keep harping on all of the waste in the healthcare field. Yet, you are saying it would be very difficult to have the waste as private insurance companies are micromanaging everything.

What I am suggesting is that maybe the US citizens are getting fed another made up story by this admin, when the situation may not be as bad as they are making out.

Because what I'm getting from you, with you being in the field, is that there are already checks and balances put into the system via the insurance companies to try to keep it minimal.

and that was the reference to my question.

anothersta · 06-11-2009, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by YankeeMary

Well, its because of what I said, She likes to argue.

It's YOU who likes to argue

anothersta · 06-11-2009, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bahet

well if you can tell me another way someone can truly be concerned about doing what is best for innocent children while not caring if there are over a million with no insurance coverage then please fee free to explain it. Because it seems pretty hypocritical to me. You either care about the well being of others or you don't. I suppose you can care a little bit but that goes right along with that whole "protect the innocent as long as it doesn't impact my life or wallet" bit.

s chip, covers children who's parents make up to 100K per year.