Obama outlines health care plan for all - Page 25 - Big Big Forums

jeanea33 · 08-13-2009, 12:25 PM

I think many forget the laws they want to pass that have nothing to do with medical. Why does the goverment need my bank account? I heard a lady claim its because they want to see if you told the truth about your financial situation. So the goverment can take out or put in money. If we pay this medical plan with our taxes, why do they need to take or deposit any money in anyones account?

hesnothere · 08-13-2009, 02:39 PM

What is wrong with making sure an individual is telling the truth about their financial situation?

pepperpot · 08-13-2009, 02:42 PM

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What is wrong with making sure an individual is telling the truth about their financial situation?

Because they collect and use this information for other purposes as well.

hesnothere · 08-13-2009, 02:48 PM

Oic

jeanea33 · 08-13-2009, 02:59 PM

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What is wrong with making sure an individual is telling the truth about their financial situation?

So the goverment is going to charge you taxes to pay for this health insurance. Now they want to decide if you lied to them. So the goverment is calling us all liars? I file my taxes every year they know what I make. I don't report if my grandma gives me birthday money. Why would they need to deposit money in peoples accounts? This will be paid for by taxes, why go into personal bank accounts?

hesnothere · 08-13-2009, 03:03 PM

Because some people aren't as honest as you and lie about their finances I would imagine.

They can see whatever they like in my accounts, doesn't bother me.

jeanea33 · 08-13-2009, 03:10 PM

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Because some people aren't as honest as you and lie about their finances I would imagine.

They can see whatever they like in my accounts, doesn't bother me.

We already have a goverment agency that decides and goes after those that fraud the system. It's called the I.R.S. So we need to give a medical program even more power? There is no reason if it is all over care that anyone should have to prove their income. It's paid by taxes not peoples personal bank accounts.

speedygirl · 08-13-2009, 03:13 PM

That type of thing is hardly new. The governemnt has been able to access banking infor since 9/11. The statement about access to bank accounts in not completely accurate, though some right wingers would like you to believe so.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-bank-account/

The Statement: Twice during a Pennsylvania town hall meeting with Sen. Arlen Specter on Tuesday, constituents urged him to fight a provision of pending health care legislation that one woman said "gives the government access to private individual bank accounts at their free will."

"I do not think the government has the right to do that," she said. "I would think I would have to brush up on my Constitution, but I would think that's unconstitutional. I know definitely it's un-American."

The Facts: The woman cited section 163 of the more than 1,000-page bill now before the House of Representatives. The section, titled "Standards for financial and administrative transactions," calls on the government to set "comprehensive, efficient and robust" rules for electronic transactions with as little need for paperwork as possible. It's being painted by opponents as a measure that would give the government access to bank accounts and records, and it's one of the items on a list of allegations about the bill that has been widely circulated online.

But the purpose of the measure is to set up a standardized payment system between insurers and doctors' offices, according to the House Ways and Means Committee report on the bill. It would require procedures to "enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service," and authorize electronic payments and require systems to be set up for "near real-time adjudication of claims," the legislation states.

The Verdict: False. The provision cited doesn't affect individuals, but companies involved in medical billing

hesnothere · 08-13-2009, 03:15 PM

Sigh...

jeanea33 · 08-13-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by speedygirl

That type of thing is hardly new. The governemnt has been able to access banking infor since 9/11

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-bank-account/

The Statement: Twice during a Pennsylvania town hall meeting with Sen. Arlen Specter on Tuesday, constituents urged him to fight a provision of pending health care legislation that one woman said "gives the government access to private individual bank accounts at their free will."

"I do not think the government has the right to do that," she said. "I would think I would have to brush up on my Constitution, but I would think that's unconstitutional. I know definitely it's un-American."

The Facts: The woman cited section 163 of the more than 1,000-page bill now before the House of Representatives. The section, titled "Standards for financial and administrative transactions," calls on the government to set "comprehensive, efficient and robust" rules for electronic transactions with as little need for paperwork as possible. It's being painted by opponents as a measure that would give the government access to bank accounts and records, and it's one of the items on a list of allegations about the bill that has been widely circulated online.

But the purpose of the measure is to set up a standardized payment system between insurers and doctors' offices, according to the House Ways and Means Committee report on the bill. It would require procedures to "enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service," and authorize electronic payments and require systems to be set up for "near real-time adjudication of claims," the legislation states.

The Verdict: False. The provision cited doesn't affect individuals, but companies involved in medical billing

It is a new thing or it wouldnt be added in the medical bill. This will be used when you get medical care. They can access your account to see if you can pay for part of your care. Thats why I have insurance now. So when I get sick it is covered. If I am paying taxes for this all over care, why should I have to pay more?

speedygirl · 08-13-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanea33

It is a new thing or it wouldnt be added in the medical bill. This will be used when you get medical care. They can access your account to see if you can pay for part of your care. Thats why I have insurance now. So when I get sick it is covered. If I am paying taxes for this all over care, why should I have to pay more?

When you fill out the FAFSA forms for college, get government loans, apply for government benefits, etc... they have access to all of this info. How is this any different. If you have a SS# anything can be accessed.
Why shouldn't one not have to disclose financial info when applying for something based on ability to pay? You do it when you get a credit card. Anyone in business can access your credit report. Like I said, this sort of thing is hardly new.
As far as it being a new thing because it's added to the bill, an addendum can be new to a particular bill but doesn't mean it's an entirely new concept.