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06-26-2009, 06:06 PM
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But, there wont be any jobs because BHO is running all the jobs into the ground.
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stresseater, your kidding me, you don't have ac? I live in OK, and I can't even breathe when I go outside it is so damn hot.
I could take it when I was younger, but not now since I am getting older, and I do not let my kids go out to play untill 7 in the evening it is so bad. I can't wait till monday, they said it will get down to 92.
although I do remember several years ago when it was just me and the kids and I couldn't afford the electric bill, so off went the ac, and we spent summer outside in the pool, which by the way, was in the shade !!  . Unless you truely can't afford ac, I see no need to go without in this kind of heat, that's just dangerous!!
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06-26-2009, 07:50 PM
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stresseater, your kidding me, you don't have ac? I live in OK, and I can't even breathe when I go outside it is so damn hot.
I could take it when I was younger, but not now since I am getting older, and I do not let my kids go out to play untill 7 in the evening it is so bad. I can't wait till monday, they said it will get down to 92.
although I do remember several years ago when it was just me and the kids and I couldn't afford the electric bill, so off went the ac, and we spent summer outside in the pool, which by the way, was in the shade !!  . Unless you truely can't afford ac, I see no need to go without in this kind of heat, that's just dangerous!!
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We can't afford the bill and the house isn't sealed up well enough to maintain any kind of temperature. It is a 100 year old 2 bedroom shack. There are many places in the doors, walls baseboards etc that you can see daylight thru. Honestly though the body gets use to the heat. Since we don't have it our bodies acclimate as the weather grows hotter. We do have a swimming pool that we bought this year and we have it set up and are in the process of filling it. Sad part of all this is there are going to be a lot of other people who won't be able to afford the electricity to run air conditioners if this bill passes and they didn't get the benefit of slowly acclimating. Those are the ones I feel sorry for.
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06-26-2009, 09:33 PM
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House energy bill passes by slim margin
In a 219-212 vote, sweeping legislation to cut greenhouse gas emissions is a major victory for Obama and Pelosi.
By James Oliphant and Jim Tankersley
5:12 PM PDT, June 26, 2009
Reporting from Washington -- In one of the narrowest votes in its recent history, the House this evening passed a sweeping energy and climate-change bill that supporters say could revolutionize the nation's industrial economy.
The 219-212 vote represented a major victory for President Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco), both of whom invested significant political capital in ensuring the success of the ambitious measure. Obama's administration and Democratic leaders in the House worked feverishly in the final hours before the vote to cement enough support for passage.
"This is a transformative moment," said House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) shortly before the final vote. "This is a moment to build a clean energy future for our country. This is a moment to create jobs. This is a moment to take on, at long last, a defining challenge of our time: global warming."
There were defections on both sides: 44 Democrats voted against the bill; eight Republicans voted for it.
It goes next to the Senate, where it is expected to be extensively modified.
Supporters of the legislation say it would stimulate the economy by creating new "green" jobs, encourage investment in alternative sources of power and help wean the nation off its dependence on foreign oil.
Opponents say the bill would place a new tax on energy that would stunt economic growth, raise gas and electricity costs and do little to affect climate change globally.
By any marker, today's vote made for a surprising achievement. Weeks ago, it appeared the legislation would fall victim to disagreements between environmentalists and industry, between lawmakers from rural and urban areas, and between moderate and progressive Democrats.
But this week, Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Beverly Hills), chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, struck a deal to woo farm-state members. And Pelosi, in a gamble, decided to push the bill to the floor while a fragile consensus existed.
Obama too intervened, calling nervous, undecided lawmakers as the vote approached and deploying surrogates to twist arms.
The effort appeared to pay off. Late today, as the vote approached, key Democrats who had appeared to be against the bill lined up in last-minute support, allowing the squeaker of a win.
Before the scheduled vote, Rep. John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), the House minority leader, took to the floor and spoke at length in protest of a 300-page amendment that had been added over GOP objections to the 1,200-page bill in the morning.
Boehner leafed through the amendment page by page, speaking for an hour. Waxman accused him of stalling for time in the hope that some House members would either switch their votes or leave the chamber.
The bill would set a declining cap on the greenhouse gas emissions that scientists blame for global warming. It aims to cut those emissions by more than 80% from 2005 levels by 2050.
The legislation would force major emitters, such as power plants and factories, to either obtain permits for their emissions or to "offset" them by investing in carbon-reducing projects such as tree-planting.
Other key features of the legislation include mandates for renewable electricity use and strict energy-efficiency requirements. It calls for billions of dollars to fund research into technology to capture the carbon emissions from coal and store them underground.
The late amendment included new authority for the federal government to speed construction of interstate power lines in the West and a variety of concessions to agriculture groups. Those concessions were key to winning the support of farm-district Democrats.
The amendment also included a provision that would impose a tariff on imports from nations such as China that fail to cut their emissions in concert with the United States. Business groups today were already lining up against the language, urging that it be struck in the Senate.
During an extended debate, Democrats and Republicans traded estimates of how much the bill would affect ordinary Americans. Republicans argued the measure would send electric bills soaring, eliminate millions of jobs and do little to combat climate change as long as countries such as China and India had no such restrictions.
One Republican, Rep. Tom Price of Georgia, even asked for a moment of silence on the floor of the chamber for all the jobs he said would be vanishing. He didn't get it.
Others said the bill would hit low-income residents of rural areas the hardest. "This bill is a disaster," said Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.). "Why do we always have the rich cities of America attacking the rural poor?" And some Republicans maintained that global warming remained a theory, not a proven scientific fact.
The latter prompted one Democrat who had been against the bill, Rep. Lloyd Doggett of Texas, to switch sides after listening to, as he said, "the Flat Earth Society."
Democrats said that the bill would cost the average household the price of "a postage stamp" per day and that a massive investment in renewable energy would create jobs and reduce the need for oil.
"This climate bill makes some tough choices for our future and for our children's future," said Rep. Richard E. Neal (D-Mass.).
Congressional offices reported they were besieged by automated phone calls today, source unknown, urging a no vote.
Major environmental groups deployed a full-court press of their own, and they savored the victory.
"It's the most important environmental and energy legislation in our nation's history," said Fred Krupp, president of the Environmental Defense Fund. "A huge achievement."
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06-26-2009, 11:22 PM
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Let’s hear it for John Boehner!
Posted by: Sister Toldjah
June 26, 2009 at 6:33 pm
http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/20...-john-boehner/
... I wanted to quickly log on and see what was going on in DC, and when I did, I read that House Minority Leader John Boehner is filibustering the National Energy Tax on the floor of the House as I type this, by reading the entire 300-page amendment that was put into the bill at the last minute by Rep. Henry Waxman at the last minute.
Malkin’s liveblogging it http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26...-3-filibuster/ and C-SPAN has the live video feed http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx
Love to watch the GOP in action when they’ve got spines!
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Funny thing. This is the first I’ve heard of a 300 page UNREAD amendment to what was passed out of committee and was voted on by the entire House.
I’m a Christian and not a swearing man, but this has got me close to it. There ought to be a law that says a congressman/woman cannot vote on any legislation unless 60% are willing to sign legal affidavits swearing under penalty of law that they have read and understand whatever piece of legislation they intend to vote on, and the other congresscritters should be made to swear they’ve at least read the legislation in its entirety (without necessarily understanding it).
If that can’t be sworn to, no one has any business voting, and if they can’t vote often enough they have no business being an elected official! Most of those thieves don’t have the moral and/or ethical makeup to be an elected official at any level of guvmint anyway.
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06-27-2009, 01:21 AM
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The 8 cap-and-tax Republican turncoats again are:  :
Bono Mack (CA)
Castle (DE)
Kirk (IL) (And he’s seriously considering running for Senate!) 
Lance (NJ)
LoBiondo (NJ)
McHugh (NY)
Reichert (WA)
Smith (NJ)
Congrats, congresspeople, you helped the Democrats pass a junk science-based, massive national energy tax. Headed to Disney World now?
We still want to know: What were your payoffs/earmarks?
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In case you were wondering, here are the 44 Democrat NAY votes:
Altmire
Arcuri
Barrow
Berry
Boren
Bright
Carney
Childers
Costa
Costello
Dahlkemper
Davis (AL)
Davis (TN)
DeFazio
Donnelly (IN)
Edwards (TX)
Ellsworth
Foster
Griffith
Herseth Sandlin
Holden
Kirkpatrick (AZ)
Kissell
Kucinich
Marshall
Massa
Matheson
McIntyre
Melancon
Minnick
Mitchell
Mollohan
Nye
Ortiz
Pomeroy
Rahall
Rodriguez
Ross
Salazar
Stark
Tanner
Taylor
Visclosky
Wilson (OH)
Reminder: The two Republicans who didn’t vote: Jeff Flake (AZ) and John Sullivan (OK). Here’s why: Flake had a “family conflict” (his daughter is reportedly in a beauty pageant in Alabama tomorrow) and Sullivan is undergoing alcohol treatment. Dem. Rep. Patrick Kennedy was pulled out of rehab to cast his vote.
And another reminder that the full roll call vote is here. http://clerk.house.gov/2009/roll477.xml
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06-27-2009, 03:34 AM
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John Boehner did a really great job but he was outnumbered.
Well so much for no new taxes for anyone making under 250,000 per year.
We all have been had.
Really makes you realize that the liberal politicians are only for the little people when they want their votes. I really feel sorry for the elderly that won't be able to stay warm in the winter or cool in the summer. They are the ones that are the most vulnerable.
Al Gore has already made over 100 million off all this and GE plans on making a bundle.
I wonder how many businesses will move their production to places like China and India.
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06-27-2009, 11:40 AM
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Anyone who has electric or gas, get ready to pay a whole lot more!
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06-27-2009, 03:56 PM
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Let me just say the whole situation makes me want to puke. WTG, Washington DC *******s.
I heard on one of the news channels a while ago that callers to Washington crashed the phone lines. Maybe if our chicken chit politicians wouldn't send us emails that we can't reply to that would not have happened.
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06-27-2009, 09:41 PM
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Let me just say the whole situation makes me want to puke. WTG, Washington DC *******s.
I heard on one of the news channels a while ago that callers to Washington crashed the phone lines. Maybe if our chicken chit politicians wouldn't send us emails that we can't reply to that would not have happened.
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It should. Your representatives are SUPPOSE to represent you. The polls showed 53% of Americans were against Cap and Tax your ass off. But, the reps still went for it.
do a little digging and you'll probably find out WHY your rep voted yes if they did. Ours has a brother who owns 4 wind farms.
We're ready to move from pitchforks onto tar and feathers.
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