seems like networks are already calling a winner?

whatever

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_el71


With no major gaffes, stumbles or snafus made by Sen. Barack Obama or Sen. John McCain during the second presidential debate, neither candidate won hands down.




There were no fireworks, no major water cooler moments. Even though the debaters traded testy jabs over the economy, the Drudge Report went so far as to label the debate "boring." At first glance, it might seem this duel was a draw.


A snap shot of the Drudge Report.

Nevertheless, there is a growing consensus among the pundits that McCain lost the debate, not because of what he did but because of what he didn't do: He didn't create the game-changing moment his campaign needed to alter the trajectory of the race.

With McCain lagging in the polls, Politico's Alexander Burns sums up why Obama gets the "W" next to his name:


Obama didn't deliver a knockout punch tonight. But he denied his opponent the chance to rescramble the campaign, and that was enough. The day goes to him.

The Associated Press, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post all concur, in their own way. This snoozefest created a winner because no one won at all.

There were a few in the media who focused more on the apparent tie. Mark Halperin at Time gave McCain a B and Obama a B+. Of McCain, he wrote:


The Republican nominee was by turns aggressive, sensitive, conservative and conversational. Successfully presented a negative case against Obama with an upbeat, optimistic smile.

Ultimately though, Halperin echoed the general consensus:


[Obama] played it typically cautious and safe, and thus avoided major blunders, knowing if he commits no errors for the next 30 days, he will be the next president of the United States.

Even if you don't put much stock in the talking heads, consider what non-media types said. Each candidate stood his ground, looking comfortable in the town-hall setting, yet the insta-polls showed the same opinion: Obama won.


Courtesy: AP

In the CBS poll, 40 percent of uncommitted voters said Obama won. Twenty-six percent said John McCain won, while 34 percent said it was a tie.

Over at CNN, Obama fared even better in the poll: 54 percent said he did a better job, 30 percent gave it to McCain.

Despite those numbers, this isn't all bad news for McCain. The CBS poll did have a silver lining -- respondents still see McCain as more prepared for the job (83 percent to 58 percent).

The other good news for the Arizona senator: there is about a month left in the campaign. That's enough time for him to find the game-changer he is looking for

Okay here is what i'm beginning to wonder. DO you think its possible that people voted for McCain in the prim. INSTEAD of gualiani (SP) or huckabee, or Romney.........because they thought Obama could beat Mc??
Because the more you read things its just seems suspicious. I mean alot of people, ind, rep. etc are NOT happy with Mc yet won't for vote Obama. so how did Mc get the nominee so easliy? Makes me wonder................

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MSM declared the "winner" last June .... and are doing everything in the power to bring this to pass.

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jeanea33

totally agree !

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speedygirl

If people vote because they follow the opinion of the MSM, they deserve what they get. People need to make up their own minds instead of following along like it was the Pied Piper.

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janelle

This should stir every supporter of McCain to get out the vote. I find it insulting that the media is telling us who won already and even up til election day.

Look what happened to Truman. The papers had the headline already printed for the next day that Dewey won. I hear Obama is even planning on putting a bowling alley in the White House since he is already president. Can we say Smug? This should make us all mad!!!

nightrider127

I wish the media wouldn't do this. I think it leads people to not vote because they think "What's the use"

I think it is way too early to predict anything. At this point in time, anything can happen to alter the results.

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I am sick of being lied to by MSM.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5z9lD4C2Io

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speedygirl

The White house already has a bowling alley. I remember hearing about it when I was a kid on a trip to Washington, DC. Check out the link, there's pictures of Nixon bowling, lol.

http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/floo...ling-alley.htm


The White House Bowling Alley is a one-lane bowling alley in the basement of the White House under the North Portico.

Bowling lanes were first built in the ground floor of the West Wing as a birthday gift for President Truman in 1947 (in the location of the present-day Situation Room); Truman didn't care for bowling himself, but allowed staff to start a league. These were moved to the Old Executive Office Building in 1955 to make way for a mimeograph room.

In 1969, President and Mrs. Nixon, both avid bowlers, had a new one-lane alley built (paid for by friends) in an underground workspace area below the driveway leading to the North Portico

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Read the headlines :

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Jolie Rouge

The story is that Obama is planning on taking *out* the bowling alley and putting in an indoor basketball court... here is a thread that I posted months ago. Talk about a guy who’s hellbent on stereotyping an image!

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Jolie Rouge

Read the headline :

Grading the Second Presidential Debate
By MARK HALPERIN / NASHVILLE
Wed Oct 8, 5:55 AM ET

Barack Obama

Substance: Crisply specific on his economic platform, and personal and expository on the importance to regular Americans of the financial bailout. The Democratic nominee was manifestly familiar with the intricacies of the Federal Government, including the budget. But he still is not touting any signature policies in a manner that would burn them into the national consciousness or clarify his game plan once in office.


Grade: B+


Style: Neither nervous nor tentative in speech or manner. He was comfortable walking the stage and interacting with the questioners, although, as always, led with his head and not his heart. Less grim than in the first debate, he was still perhaps too antiseptic for some tastes, without generating passion or big moments.


Grade: B+


Offense: For most of the evening, he firmly jabbed at McCain on some of his recent statements, but without much impact. He hit harder by citing some of McCain's foreign policy miscues, including his famous singing of "Bomb, Bomb Iran" - drawing a strained, rattled reply from his rival. Rigorously familiar with McCain's policy proposals and past statements, particularly on health care, he used that arsenal in his arguments. Seeded answers with mentions of "George Bush" whenever he could, which his campaign considers an automatic, all-purpose trump card.


Grade: B+


Defense: Unruffled when McCain went after him, smiling softly while he waited to respond. And respond he did - following his clear rule to answer every charge McCain leveled at him (even when debate rules forbade a response). When faced with any attack, he kept to a pattern: showed little anger, spent minimal time batting away charges, clarified his position and then went on the offense or talked positively about his own views.


Grade: B+


Overall: Played it typically cautious and safe and thus avoided major blunders, knowing if he commits no errors for the next 30 days, he will be the next President of the United States. The Illinois Senator used a coolly determined offense to keep McCain from building up a full head of steam when on the attack. Comfortably indicated a thorough grasp of his policies and agenda. It was not a dominating performance but a good enough one. Two debates down and one to go for the prohibitive favorite.


Overall grade: B+



Notice anything missing ??

At the bottom of the page is a second link :

(See John McCain's report card here.)

http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...848160,00.html

Each time I try it I get an error messge ... interesting, eh ?

McCain's so unimportant to the "Second Presidential Debate" that they fail to include it in the same article ?

The rest of the "Related Articles" are

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