seems like networks are already calling a winner?

anothersta · 10-08-2008, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

The story is that Obama is planning on taking *out* the bowling alley and putting in an indoor basketball court... here is a thread that I posted months ago. Talk about a guy who’s hellbent on stereotyping an image!

I heard him say they he might have to expand the bowling alley. Maybe he was referring to a basketball court? I thought it was outlandish given the economic crunch we are all in right now. How dare he let the taxpayers foot the bill to do ANY renovation or updates.

I think if Palin were to move in and they asked her what curtains she wants, she'd say the ones they have are fine. And, my hope is that the McCains would pay for whatever they wanted out of their pockets.

And that's the way it should be because the curtains that are there are fine for crying out loud. when I can afford to put a basketball court or new curtains in my own house, that's when I can afford to do them at the White house.

JMHO

YNKYH8R · 10-08-2008, 08:09 PM

In '04 the Blue States wanted to secede to Canda. If Obama wins will the Red States want to secede to Mexico?

Or will they 'live with it'?

speedygirl · 10-08-2008, 08:18 PM

Jolie, the link worked for me.

John McCain

Substance: Delved only occasionally into specifics when describing his agenda, focusing on spending and tax cuts. He had a bit of trouble elucidating his health-care and energy policies and did little to close the gap with Obama on whom voters trust to deal with the economy.

Grade: B-

Style: Clearly more confident talking to voters in his cherished town-hall format than standing behind a podium. Authentically displayed feel-your-pain concern over the economy, in a smoother manner than usual. But while he held the audience's attention with his answers and theatrics, he distractingly and conspicuously scribbled notes when Obama had the floor. His errant reference to Obama as "that one" probably jarred some viewers. Bottom line: with his rival in the lead, the Republican nominee was forced into aggression and antagonism but often flirted with the desperate and negative.

Grade: B

Offense: Took some risks by hitting Obama for being liberal and for a range of other alleged offenses, but kept his tone appropriate for the format and avoided purely personal attacks. Occasionally stumbling over some of his sharper rehearsed lines, he muted their effectiveness. Didn't once fluster Obama, though he did lay down the foundation he needs to try to mount a comeback by sowing doubts about the Democrat. Pulled off his primary task more deftly than even his aides could have hoped.

Grade: B+

Defense: Mostly ignored Obama's swipes, maintained his composure and rarely looked annoyed. Still, though he kept his focus cleanly on the issues, he oddly made little attempt to separate himself from President Bush when Obama linked the two. Did not engage Obama on a point-by-point rebuttal of detailed accusations.

Grade: B

Overall: As promised, he was comfortable in a town-hall environment, directing his attention to the individual questioner and the crowd. The Arizona Senator was by turns aggressive, sensitive, conservative and conversational. Successfully presented a negative case against Obama with an upbeat, optimistic smile — but was unable to paint a truly damning portrait of an Obama presidency, especially on the economy. He exhibited a few physical and verbal tics that made him look his age, including a heavy reliance on his "my friends" crutch, and seemed nervously well aware of the high stakes. Without a solid win, he did not make up as much ground as he needed to, but lives to fight on.

Overall grade: B

renaissanceman · 10-08-2008, 09:11 PM

Just how stupid ARE all the Obama supporters?

Did anyone notice how he flat out didn't answer on the Israel question?

Like the U.N. Security council ever decides anything quickly!

Also, HOW is it exactly that we are in the tank financially (when talking about WHY we needed the bailout) but yet somehow health care is a RIGHT, because we live in one of "the richest countries in the world"????

How can we be broke.....(which we really are).......

AND somehow be rich enought to just GIVE people stuff for being born here?

jbbarn · 10-08-2008, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatever

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_el71

With no major gaffes, stumbles or snafus made by Sen. Barack Obama or Sen. John McCain during the second presidential debate, neither candidate won hands down.

There were no fireworks, no major water cooler moments. Even though the debaters traded testy jabs over the economy, the Drudge Report went so far as to label the debate "boring." At first glance, it might seem this duel was a draw.

A snap shot of the Drudge Report.

Nevertheless, there is a growing consensus among the pundits that McCain lost the debate, not because of what he did but because of what he didn't do: He didn't create the game-changing moment his campaign needed to alter the trajectory of the race.

With McCain lagging in the polls, Politico's Alexander Burns sums up why Obama gets the "W" next to his name:

Obama didn't deliver a knockout punch tonight. But he denied his opponent the chance to rescramble the campaign, and that was enough. The day goes to him.

The Associated Press, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post all concur, in their own way. This snoozefest created a winner because no one won at all.

There were a few in the media who focused more on the apparent tie. Mark Halperin at Time gave McCain a B and Obama a B+. Of McCain, he wrote:

The Republican nominee was by turns aggressive, sensitive, conservative and conversational. Successfully presented a negative case against Obama with an upbeat, optimistic smile.

Ultimately though, Halperin echoed the general consensus:

[Obama] played it typically cautious and safe, and thus avoided major blunders, knowing if he commits no errors for the next 30 days, he will be the next president of the United States.

Even if you don't put much stock in the talking heads, consider what non-media types said. Each candidate stood his ground, looking comfortable in the town-hall setting, yet the insta-polls showed the same opinion: Obama won.

Courtesy: AP

In the CBS poll, 40 percent of uncommitted voters said Obama won. Twenty-six percent said John McCain won, while 34 percent said it was a tie.

Over at CNN, Obama fared even better in the poll: 54 percent said he did a better job, 30 percent gave it to McCain.

Despite those numbers, this isn't all bad news for McCain. The CBS poll did have a silver lining -- respondents still see McCain as more prepared for the job (83 percent to 58 percent).

The other good news for the Arizona senator: there is about a month left in the campaign. That's enough time for him to find the game-changer he is looking for

Okay here is what i'm beginning to wonder. DO you think its possible that people voted for McCain in the prim. INSTEAD of gualiani (SP) or huckabee, or Romney.........because they thought Obama could beat Mc??
Because the more you read things its just seems suspicious. I mean alot of people, ind, rep. etc are NOT happy with Mc yet won't for vote Obama. so how did Mc get the nominee so easliy? Makes me wonder................

I don't think anybody really understands how McCain got the nomination!

jbbarn · 10-08-2008, 11:41 PM

[quote=renaissanceman;96014592]Just how stupid ARE all the Obama supporters?

Two words:Stepford voters!

Jolie Rouge · 10-09-2008, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedygirl

Jolie, the link worked for me.

Overall grade: B

Thanks ! So do we assume that the second part of the article was not posted because the two candidates had the same basic grade ? :shkaehead:

Quote:

Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

In '04 the Blue States wanted to secede to Canda. If Obama wins will the Red States want to secede to Mexico?

Or will they 'live with it'?

Well, it was the "limo liberals" who threatened to move to other countries if Bush won in 2000. It was many of the same who threatened to flee if Bush won in 2004; and they have pledged to leave if McCain wins in this cycle.
I don't recall many - any - conservatives who were going to leave if the Democratic candidate were to win.

Not that it matters, they are two sides of the same coin this time around.

janelle · 10-09-2008, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

In '04 the Blue States wanted to secede to Canda. If Obama wins will the Red States want to secede to Mexico?

Or will they 'live with it'?

I wish they had done it now. LOL

janelle · 10-09-2008, 11:27 PM

Most of the polls are goofy so don't believe it. It depends on how the poll is set up and who they ask.

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speedygirl Mass-hole Patrol Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New England Posts: 3,952 iTrader: (0) Thanks: 1,488 Thanked 2,160 Times in 1,183 Posts	Jolie, the link worked for me. John McCain Substance: Delved only occasionally into specifics when describing his agenda, focusing on spending and tax cuts. He had a bit of trouble elucidating his health-care and energy policies and did little to close the gap with Obama on whom voters trust to deal with the economy. Grade: B- Style: Clearly more confident talking to voters in his cherished town-hall format than standing behind a podium. Authentically displayed feel-your-pain concern over the economy, in a smoother manner than usual. But while he held the audience's attention with his answers and theatrics, he distractingly and conspicuously scribbled notes when Obama had the floor. His errant reference to Obama as "that one" probably jarred some viewers. Bottom line: with his rival in the lead, the Republican nominee was forced into aggression and antagonism but often flirted with the desperate and negative. Grade: B Offense: Took some risks by hitting Obama for being liberal and for a range of other alleged offenses, but kept his tone appropriate for the format and avoided purely personal attacks. Occasionally stumbling over some of his sharper rehearsed lines, he muted their effectiveness. Didn't once fluster Obama, though he did lay down the foundation he needs to try to mount a comeback by sowing doubts about the Democrat. Pulled off his primary task more deftly than even his aides could have hoped. Grade: B+ Defense: Mostly ignored Obama's swipes, maintained his composure and rarely looked annoyed. Still, though he kept his focus cleanly on the issues, he oddly made little attempt to separate himself from President Bush when Obama linked the two. Did not engage Obama on a point-by-point rebuttal of detailed accusations. Grade: B Overall: As promised, he was comfortable in a town-hall environment, directing his attention to the individual questioner and the crowd. The Arizona Senator was by turns aggressive, sensitive, conservative and conversational. Successfully presented a negative case against Obama with an upbeat, optimistic smile — but was unable to paint a truly damning portrait of an Obama presidency, especially on the economy. He exhibited a few physical and verbal tics that made him look his age, including a heavy reliance on his "my friends" crutch, and seemed nervously well aware of the high stakes. Without a solid win, he did not make up as much ground as he needed to, but lives to fight on. Overall grade: B __________________ "A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion."

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janelle Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 20,467 iTrader: (1) Thanks: 466 Thanked 1,174 Times in 763 Posts	Most of the polls are goofy so don't believe it. It depends on how the poll is set up and who they ask.