Something Else To Make You Go, hmmmmm.....

tngirl · 10-08-2008, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrHolliday

No mention of Ayers last night by McCain?

Has he given up already?

No, he read too many poll results saying that it would be a mistake for him to take the offensive...

DrHolliday · 10-09-2008, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tngirl

No, he read too many poll results saying that it would be a mistake for him to take the offensive...

McCain needs to just watch Palin. She stays on message and is not afraid to pull punches.

This Obama-Ayers indoctrination of our kids with socialism is exactly what they do in Cuba.

LuvBigRip · 10-09-2008, 05:17 PM

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...wn-ayers-past/

A Yonkers, N.Y., councilman whose home was bombed nearly four decades ago by the Weather Underground says Barack Obama should know better than to associate with the domestic terror group's co-founder, Bill Ayers.

"Barack Obama constantly says, 'I was only 8 years old when this happened.' That's kind of his throwaway line," John Murtagh told FOX News Thursday morning.

"I'm not questioning what Barack Obama was doing when he was 8 years old. I'm questioning his behavior as an adult to choose his friends, mentor and longtime personal and professional colleague."

Murtagh discussed the 1970 bombing as John McCain's campaign put renewed focus on Obama's ties to Ayers, who lives in Chicago and is an education professor at the University of Illinois.

Murtagh, whose father was a New York Supreme Court justice when his family's home was targeted, put out a statement on behalf of McCain's campaign Wednesday claiming "Barack Obama's friend tried to kill my family."

Obama has said his relationship with Ayers did not extend beyond serving with him on an education board in Chicago. He has condemned Ayers' Vietnam War-era attacks, and his campaign has said Obama did not know of Ayers' radical past when Ayers held a campaign event at his home for Obama in 1995.

But Murtagh cast doubt on the narrative out of the Obama campaign, saying it would make the Democratic presidential candidate "the dumbest man that ever graduated from Columbia and Harvard Law School" if he didn't initially know about Ayers' past.

Murtagh also alleged that Obama's ties to Ayers probably go back earlier, since Ayers' wife, Weather Underground radical Bernadine Dohrn, at one point worked at the same firm where Obama's wife, Michelle, worked.

"The Weather Underground launched an attack on our family home ... looking to kill us," Murtagh told FOX News. "I believe if the senator were to come clean and tell us the full story, we'd find out this relationship well predates the fundraiser held in the Ayers home. It goes back to the '80s."

McCain released a Web video Thursday criticizing Obama for his relationship with Ayers.

Obama told ABC News Wednesday that McCain's campaign is making these assertions simply "to score cheap political points."

anothersta · 10-09-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHolliday

McCain needs to just watch Palin. She stays on message and is not afraid to pull punches.

This Obama-Ayers indoctrination of our kids with socialism is exactly what they do in Cuba.

And, that's exactly how Castro got the people to fight with them. He promised them a democratic nation.....

so much for that.

DrHolliday · 10-09-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by anothersta

And, that's exactly how Castro got the people to fight with them. He promised them a democratic nation.....

so much for that.

In many ways, Castro was a twentieth century version of Santa Anna. He betrayed the people that fought for him in belief that they were fighting for a democracy.

Jolie Rouge · 10-09-2008, 05:51 PM

McCain questions Obama's link to radical Ayers
By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer
44 minutes ago

WAUKESHA, Wis. - John McCain is questioning Barack Obama's ties to a 1960s radical. n his strongest criticism of his presidential rival, McCain told a Wisconsin town-hall crowd: "We need to know the full extent of the relationship."

Obama and Ayers, now a college professor, live in the same Chicago neighborhood and have served together on two nonprofit organization boards. The Illinois senator, who was a child when Ayers' group committed acts of domestic terrorism, has denounced Ayers' radical views and actions.

McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, first accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists."

ttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_pr/mccain;_ylt=Alx6m_N2aUaWELY7mXSEXNdh24cA

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"I'm not questioning what Barack Obama was doing when he was 8 years old. I'm questioning his behavior as an adult to choose his friends, mentor and longtime personal and professional colleague."

This is EXACTLY the point .

Jolie Rouge · 10-10-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Later, Obama adviser David Axelrod told CNN the Illinois senator "didn't know the history" of Ayers' Weather Underground activities when Ayers hosted the 1995 gathering. Speaking in Estero, Fla., Palin responded, "Today they're saying for the first time that Barack Obama didn't know back then about Ayers' radical background."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081006/...D0rSrR8DOs0NUE

Thursday, October 09, 2008
Yeah Right... Obama Said He Thought Ayers Had Been Rehabilitated

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...ght-ayers.html

Oh, this was bad.

This was really bad...

Obama made a MAJOR MISTAKE tonight.

Barack Obama now says that he thought terrorist Bill Ayers had been rehabilitated.

Not true. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/arti..._William_Ayers

Former Weather Underground terrorist and Obama pal Bill Ayers stands on the US flag for a Chicago Magazine August 2001 article titled "No Regrets" http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Ma...01/No-Regrets/

On September 11, 2001, The New York Times published, "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen" on the life of Bill Ayers. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9679C8B 63

Also in 2001, Bill Ayers also wrote about his terrorist bombings in his memoir, "Fugitive Days" It was not an apology. http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008...216.htm?page=0

Now get this... Bill Ayers was serving with Barack Obama on the Woods Fund Board in 2001.

Barack Obama said today that he thought that Bill Ayers was rehabilitated.
Ben Smith at The Politico reported: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

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In an interview with the sympathetic conservative talk radio host this afternoon, Obama offered the clearest explanation yet of how an extremely careful politician allowed himself anywhere near a former '60s radical who would become a Republican target in this year's presidential campaign.

Obama "had assumed" from Bill Ayers' stature in Chicago, he told the Philadelphia-based Michael Smerconish, that Ayers had been "rehabilitated" since his 1960s crimes.

In the interview, which was taped this afternoon and will air tomorrow, and which you can listen to above, Obama recalled moving back to Chicago after law school, and becoming involved in civic life there. "The gentleman in question, Bill Ayers, is a college professor, teaches education at the University of Illinois," he said. "That's how I met him -- working on a school reform project that was funded by an ambassador and very close friend of Ronald Reagan's" along with "a bunch of conservative businessmen and civic leaders."

"Ultimately, I ended up learning about the fact that he had engaged in this reprehensible act 40 years ago, but I was eight years old at the time and I assumed that he had been rehabilitated," Obama said.

So... Obama thought that Bill Ayers was rehabilitated while at the same time Ayers was publishing article after America-hating article on not doing enough while he was a Weatherman terrorist?

Yeah right.

And, and don't forget, Obama also said he never heard Jeremiah Wright spew anti-American racist filth.

Reverse Spin says Obama just contradicted his spokesman Axelrod from statements made 2 days ago.
http://www.reversespin.com/?p=899

Today, Barack Obama decided to try out a few new answers about his alliance with unrepetent domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and managed to contradict his own chief spokesman.

First, he told ABC anchor Charlie Gibson (D-Obama):

Quote:

“Why don’t we just clear it up right now I’ll repeat again what I’ve said many times. This is a guy who engaged in some despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. By the time I met him, 10 or 15 years ago, he was a college professor of education at the University of Illinois . . . And the notion that somehow he has been involved in my campaign, that he is an adviser of mine, that . . . I’ve ‘palled around with a terrorist’, all these statements are made simply to try to score cheap political points.”

Nobody said he was involved in your campaign or an advisor.

Those are red herrings. And, we are trying to determine how much he palled around with Ayers. That is unknown because to date Barack and Ayers haven’t answered it.

On a radio interview, Obama tried a new approach:

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“The gentleman in question, Bill Ayers, is a college professor, teaches education at the University of Illinois,” he said. “That’s how i met him — working on a school reform project that was funded by an ambassador and very close friend of Ronald Reagan’s” along with “a bunch of conservative businessmen and civic leaders.”

“Ultimately, I ended up learning about the fact that he had engaged in this reprehensible act 40 years ago, but I was eight years old at the time and I assumed that he had been rehabilitated,” Obama said.

Rehabilitated? This directly contradicts what his spokesman, David Axelrod said earlier in the week. He claimed Obama didn’t know about Ayers’ past when he met him.

This is getting more bizarre. Why can’t anyone in the media get a straight answer from Obama? Why hasn’t the Obama campaign pumped out a lengthy timeline on their alliance that would make this go away?

Jolie Rouge · 10-15-2008, 06:23 PM

What Ayers story reveals about Obama
October 15, 2008

Any day now, I expect Barack Obama to call a news conference, wag his finger to the cameras, and announce with all the sincerity he can muster: “I did not have a substantive relationship with that Weatherman, Mr. Ayers.”

Of course, the way things are going, Obama may not have to lift a finger, let alone wag one. He might be able to run out the clock and avoid comment on continuing questions involving his involvement with a Hyde Park neighbor and unrepentant domestic terrorist, William Ayers.

Saying nothing would be smart. And, up to now, with few exceptions, Obama has been pretty smart in dealing with the Ayers issue by trying to deflect questions, minimize the friendship and change the subject.

Obama did all three on April 16 when ABC's George Stephanopoulos brought up Ayers during a Democratic debate in Philadelphia and noted that Obama's campaign had acknowledged the men were “friendly.”

In response, Obama casually described Ayers as simply “a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from” and certainly “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.” Obama acknowledged that Ayers had “engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago” but insisted that this had nothing to with him and his values. Obama noted he is “also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate.” He also criticized “this kind of game” where he is linked to the views of “anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is” and expressed confidence that “the American people are smarter than that.”

At that same debate, Hillary Clinton was smart enough to keep her eye on the ball. She noted that Obama and Ayers had served on a board together and their relationship continued after Sept. 11, 2001, when Ayers was quoted in The New York Times as saying he wasn't sorry for planting bombs in the 1970s and wished he could have done more. Clinton also suggested the Obama-Ayers relationship was “an issue that people will be asking about” and one that “certainly the Republicans will be raising.”

Have they?

Sarah Palin recently characterized Obama as “someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect . . . that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.” But those comments wound up being twisted by the other side, as when Rep. John Lewis characterized them as some sort of racist attack, which was just another way to change the subject.

John McCain, to the frustration of supporters, hasn't spoken much about Ayers. That's because he's caught in an impossible position. If he ignores the issue, his base could lose enthusiasm for his candidacy. But if McCain makes Ayers an issue, he risks coming across as out of touch with the concerns of everyday Americans, which at the moment have less to do with an aging leader of the Weather Underground than with how to survive the economic storm we're facing. Beyond the Republican fringe – the sheltered folks who stand up at McCain-Palin rallies and declare Obama “scary” and insist that he is “an Arab” – no one cares much about Ayers.

Having said that, here is what the voters should care about: Obama's truthfulness, which is now in question. Over the last few months, we've learned that Obama and Ayers had more than just a “flimsy” relationship that included Ayers hosting a political gathering at his home for Obama when he was running for the Illinois Senate and the two serving together on various panels and boards. Ayers was also a founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school-reform group. Obama served as chairman of its board from 1995 to '99, using the position to launch his political career.

Recently, Obama pulled back the curtain an inch. He told reporters that, during his association with Ayers, he had heard about the English professor's radical past but assumed Ayers had been rehabilitated. Ayers' ghoulish comments about not setting enough bombs suggest otherwise.

I put no stock in the politics of guilt by association. And even associating with ghouls should not hurt someone's bid for the presidency. But lying about it is another story. It could be a warning of things to come.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...15navarre.html

Jolie Rouge · 10-15-2008, 06:30 PM

What’s on Bill Ayers’ door
October 15, 2008 11:13 AM

Guess his Mao poster and Obama signs are hanging in the bedroom. Via Chicago Trib: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,842672.story

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Ayers’ office door is decorated with pictures of Mumia Abu-Jamal, Che Guevara and Malcolm X. It is also home to pictures of children, bills of rights for students and parents, and a rainbow-hued greeting card advising “How to Be Really Alive.” A place of prominence is give to a New Yorker cartoon of a man interviewing for a job. The interviewer says, “I’m trying to find a way to balance your strengths against your felonies.”

“Rehabilitated” my foot.

In related Ayers’ news, read this e-mail from an education major at Marist College. I imagine Ayers’ book is standard fare for legions of teachers-in-training:

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I thought you would be interested to know that Marist College has a gradute course for education majors opening with William Ayers’ book “To Teach”. I am one of four students in the seminar and the professor last week made some disparaging remarks that the news media was portraying him as a terrorist. She tried to explain the “times” of the sixties as being radical and what Ayers did was not too uncommon during the civil rights campaign, and how he was a friend of Stokley Carmichael. When I asked how we could take the book, which is well written in it’s prose but very anti-system/anti-traditional with clear overtones that stigmatizes education in America as being designed for white suburbia, as being credible - she went into a convoluted answer that berated the right wing media.

Nevertheless, I didn’t press the issue too much as I have not been brainwashed by the main steam media into believing Obama’s relationship with Ayers is no big deal - but I do find her choice of books to be an unnecessary indoctrination on education majors who will be teaching future generations of young people. There are, without question, plenty of other well written books by credible authors that can easily replace Ayers’ book and I believe this is something Marist College should not condone as it sends a biased message from an author who committed violent crimes and doesn’t see America as a good place. How, therefore, can one take his viewpoint on how teachers should ‘teach’ children as being feasible?

Maybe this would be something you want to look into as to why the book is used for the course.

***

More schools to avoid: UNC-Chapel Hill. They heart The Unrepentant Terrorist. http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1255781.html

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Bill Ayers, the radical militant-turned-university professor whose ties to Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama are under scrutiny, is getting some support from faculty members across the country.

Professors from UNC-Chapel Hill are among the more than 3,200 educators who have signed an online petition in support of Ayers. More than a dozen signatories are from local universities here in the Triangle.

Lawrence Grossberg, a UNC communications studies professor, said he signed the petition because he believes Ayers should not be demonized for his actions 40 years ago. He said he also respects the work Ayers does now as an education professor at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers is a school reform advocate who has written or edited more than a dozen books.

“He did break the law, and he was punished and he moved on,” Grossberg said. “He built an extraordinary life. He has become one of the leading scholars in the field of education. [People are] excoriating him for things he did 40 years ago and misrepresenting what he has done since, in order to make someone else suffer. That doesn’t seem very American to me.”

He wasn’t punished. And he hasn’t moved on.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1255781.html

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LuvBigRip I loves my puppeh! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Purple Mountains Majesty Posts: 4,546 iTrader: (26) Thanks: 416 Thanked 1,578 Times in 534 Posts	http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...wn-ayers-past/ A Yonkers, N.Y., councilman whose home was bombed nearly four decades ago by the Weather Underground says Barack Obama should know better than to associate with the domestic terror group's co-founder, Bill Ayers. "Barack Obama constantly says, 'I was only 8 years old when this happened.' That's kind of his throwaway line," John Murtagh told FOX News Thursday morning. "I'm not questioning what Barack Obama was doing when he was 8 years old. I'm questioning his behavior as an adult to choose his friends, mentor and longtime personal and professional colleague." Murtagh discussed the 1970 bombing as John McCain's campaign put renewed focus on Obama's ties to Ayers, who lives in Chicago and is an education professor at the University of Illinois. Murtagh, whose father was a New York Supreme Court justice when his family's home was targeted, put out a statement on behalf of McCain's campaign Wednesday claiming "Barack Obama's friend tried to kill my family." Obama has said his relationship with Ayers did not extend beyond serving with him on an education board in Chicago. He has condemned Ayers' Vietnam War-era attacks, and his campaign has said Obama did not know of Ayers' radical past when Ayers held a campaign event at his home for Obama in 1995. But Murtagh cast doubt on the narrative out of the Obama campaign, saying it would make the Democratic presidential candidate "the dumbest man that ever graduated from Columbia and Harvard Law School" if he didn't initially know about Ayers' past. Murtagh also alleged that Obama's ties to Ayers probably go back earlier, since Ayers' wife, Weather Underground radical Bernadine Dohrn, at one point worked at the same firm where Obama's wife, Michelle, worked. "The Weather Underground launched an attack on our family home ... looking to kill us," Murtagh told FOX News. "I believe if the senator were to come clean and tell us the full story, we'd find out this relationship well predates the fundraiser held in the Ayers home. It goes back to the '80s." McCain released a Web video Thursday criticizing Obama for his relationship with Ayers. Obama told ABC News Wednesday that McCain's campaign is making these assertions simply "to score cheap political points." __________________ It all goes downhill from here

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Jolie Rouge C & P Queen Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Missin' Mesue ... Posts: 33,955 iTrader: (2) Thanks: 737 Thanked 1,401 Times in 761 Posts	What Ayers story reveals about Obama October 15, 2008 Any day now, I expect Barack Obama to call a news conference, wag his finger to the cameras, and announce with all the sincerity he can muster: “I did not have a substantive relationship with that Weatherman, Mr. Ayers.” Of course, the way things are going, Obama may not have to lift a finger, let alone wag one. He might be able to run out the clock and avoid comment on continuing questions involving his involvement with a Hyde Park neighbor and unrepentant domestic terrorist, William Ayers. Saying nothing would be smart. And, up to now, with few exceptions, Obama has been pretty smart in dealing with the Ayers issue by trying to deflect questions, minimize the friendship and change the subject. Obama did all three on April 16 when ABC's George Stephanopoulos brought up Ayers during a Democratic debate in Philadelphia and noted that Obama's campaign had acknowledged the men were “friendly.” In response, Obama casually described Ayers as simply “a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from” and certainly “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.” Obama acknowledged that Ayers had “engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago” but insisted that this had nothing to with him and his values. Obama noted he is “also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate.” He also criticized “this kind of game” where he is linked to the views of “anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is” and expressed confidence that “the American people are smarter than that.” At that same debate, Hillary Clinton was smart enough to keep her eye on the ball. She noted that Obama and Ayers had served on a board together and their relationship continued after Sept. 11, 2001, when Ayers was quoted in The New York Times as saying he wasn't sorry for planting bombs in the 1970s and wished he could have done more. Clinton also suggested the Obama-Ayers relationship was “an issue that people will be asking about” and one that “certainly the Republicans will be raising.” Have they? Sarah Palin recently characterized Obama as “someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect . . . that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.” But those comments wound up being twisted by the other side, as when Rep. John Lewis characterized them as some sort of racist attack, which was just another way to change the subject. John McCain, to the frustration of supporters, hasn't spoken much about Ayers. That's because he's caught in an impossible position. If he ignores the issue, his base could lose enthusiasm for his candidacy. But if McCain makes Ayers an issue, he risks coming across as out of touch with the concerns of everyday Americans, which at the moment have less to do with an aging leader of the Weather Underground than with how to survive the economic storm we're facing. Beyond the Republican fringe – the sheltered folks who stand up at McCain-Palin rallies and declare Obama “scary” and insist that he is “an Arab” – no one cares much about Ayers. Having said that, here is what the voters should care about: Obama's truthfulness, which is now in question. Over the last few months, we've learned that Obama and Ayers had more than just a “flimsy” relationship that included Ayers hosting a political gathering at his home for Obama when he was running for the Illinois Senate and the two serving together on various panels and boards. Ayers was also a founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school-reform group. Obama served as chairman of its board from 1995 to '99, using the position to launch his political career. Recently, Obama pulled back the curtain an inch. He told reporters that, during his association with Ayers, he had heard about the English professor's radical past but assumed Ayers had been rehabilitated. Ayers' ghoulish comments about not setting enough bombs suggest otherwise. I put no stock in the politics of guilt by association. And even associating with ghouls should not hurt someone's bid for the presidency. But lying about it is another story. It could be a warning of things to come. http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...15navarre.html __________________ Laissez les bon temps rouler! Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. a 4 day work week & sex slaves ~ I say Tyt for PRESIDENT!** Not to be taken internally, literally or seriously ....Suki ebaynni IS THAT BETTER ?

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