PrincessArky

I think if anyone knows for a fact 100% that someone has been lied to by a recruiter then report them because it is NOT legal for them to make promises that arent clearly stated in the sign up contract

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Vee030473

No they are not supposed to be slick smooth fast talkers. They are soldiers. They are not salesmen,they are soldiers. A recruiter doing his job the way it is intended to be done will not lie or omit truths. And if there are those that dont understand that it is about human lives,they should not be recruiting for the military. Ive had my oldest be lied to about a college he was interested in going to when the college recruiter came to his high school.He told my son if he went to that school (it was for automotives)that they would guarantee him a job after he graduates. Well after we asked for it in writing,guess what,he lied. I totally understand it is wrong to lie or omit the truth to persuade someone to do something they wouldnt do if they had the facts. But my point is,not all military recruiters lie. And you know what your job is going to be when you sign that contract,and yes it is conditional on the fact that if you dont make it through your AIT,you will be reclassified to another MOS,but that even isnt the job of the recruiter.That is the job of an MOS counselor that is a civilian. It is not like you go to a recruiting office,you sign up there and youre off to basic training. Its more like,you get interviewed(recruiter),you take a test(recruiter),there are background checks(Recruiter),looking at different MOS's(Meps counselor),physicals at MEPS and urine tests(counselor),you talk to the station commander,there are waivers if you need them,you get your MOS reserved,you go over your contract with a MEPS counselor,more urine tests and one last physical(Meps counselor) before you even get to sign anything. And that takes alot more than a day or two.

My husband is not a smooth fast talking salesman. He is a soldier. Before he was a recruiter he was a parachute rigger,he packed personnel chutes,he knows all too well the value of a human life. Other lives were placed in his care by him packing those chutes and his life was placed in others care when he was Airborne too. He had soldier's lives in his care while deployed as he was too. So please dont refer to him as a salesman. That is an insult to what he has done for his country.
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I am a Warrior and a member of a team. I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.

I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.

I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier.


No one is more professional than I. I am a Noncommissioned Officer, a leader of soldiers. As a Noncommissioned Officer, I realize that I am a member of a time honored corps, which is known as "The Backbone of the Army". I am proud of the Corps of Noncommissioned Officers and will at all times conduct myself so as to bring credit upon the Corps, the Military Service and my country regardless of the situation in which I find myself. I will not use my grade or position to attain pleasure, profit, or personal safety.

Competence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be uppermost in my mind -- accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of my soldiers. I will strive to remain tactically and technically proficient. I am aware of my role as a Noncommissioned Officer. I will fulfill my responsibilities inherent in that role. All soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will provide that leadership. I know my soldiers and I will always place their needs above my own. I will communicate consistently with my soldiers and never leave them uninformed. I will be fair and impartial when recommending both rewards and punishment.

Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties; they will not have to accomplish mine. I will earn their respect and confidence as well as that of my soldiers. I will be loyal to those with whom I serve; seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. I will exercise initiative by taking appropriate action in the absence of orders. I will not compromise my integrity, nor my moral courage. I will not forget, nor will I allow my comrades to forget that we are professionals, Noncommissioned Officers, leaders.

Both of those creeds my husband takes very seriously ,maybe if all recruiters did the same recruiters wouldnt have the problems they are having.

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tigger4

They are sales people. Their job is to sell the American Military to whoever they are trying to sell it to.

Unless things have really changed you get to choose what MOS you would like to have but if your ASVAB isn't in the range for that MOS you aren't getting that MOS. I have known several people sign up to be in one MOS only to be told that their ASVAB's were too high or too low for that MOS.

For example, I have a friend who has a very high IQ and is very good at electronics. He wanted to be an MP, he was not allowed to be an MP he was made an Airplane tech (which really is a better fit for him). They told him his ASVAB was too high to be an MP.

I know my husband was given the choice of 3 MOS's he wanted to be, then when he took his ASVAB's they picked the one that suited him the best.

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Jolie Rouge

Well, two of them are my nephews and one is my cousin who all signed up in the last six months fully aware that they will be serving in the Middle East. I am sorry that you got a poor example of a recruiter just as there are people who live up ( or down ) stereotype of any profession


In what way would this be considered "supportive" :
How is this intended to be "supportive" ? :

Where is the support in the following statement ? :

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Code Pin*a
I apologize for the effusive title, I just couldn't hold back.
http://www.babalublog.com/archives/007247.html

A few weeks ago the Cuban-American community got raked through the coals for our "behavior" during a Code Pink "rally" at Versailles restaurant. Code Pinko thugs ( but don't question their patriotism ... )

I recall reading quite a few negative articles in the MSM about the incident, but also remember reading many comments in support of the community vis-a-vis the Bacalao Brigade. http://www.babalublog.com/archives/007070.html

You know what? Im glad we ripped their little pink crap off their truck. At least we aint Berkeley.

Yeah, we may be boisterous and intransigent, but at least we fight for what's right and dont let some commie Pinko Bacalao Brigadeers push us around. Much less relegate the very same military that fights and dies for our freedoms to being "uninvited and unwelcome intruders."

Note to the USMC: Screw Berkeley, come on down to Miami. We got your six.

Siempre Fiel

I just couldnt resist lifting this image from A Newt One:




http://www.babalublog.com/archives/M...SMC-775728.jpg

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tigger4

Yes, you are right. There are kids that sign up knowing that they are going to be going to Iraq. But, there are so many that sign up being told that they won't be going to Iraq.

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Jolie Rouge

I agree with PrincessArky - if anyone knows for a fact that someone has been lied to by a recruiter then report them because it is NOT legal for them to make promises that arent clearly stated in the sign up contract.

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LuvBigRip

U.S. Senator Wants to Revoke Funding From City of Berkeley, Calif., for Vote to Boot Marines
Friday, February 01, 2008

WASHINGTON — U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley, Calif., no longer deserves federal money.

DeMint was angered after learning that the Berkeley City Council voted this week to tell the U.S. Marine Corps to remove its recruiting station from the city's downtown.

"This is a slap in the face to all brave service men and women and their families," DeMint said in a prepared statement. "The First Amendment gives the City of Berkeley the right to be idiotic, but from now on they should do it with their own money."

"If the city can’t show respect for the Marines that have fought, bled and died for their freedom, Berkeley should not be receiving special taxpayer-funded handouts," he added.

In the meantime, a senior Marine official tells FOX News that the Marine office in Berkeley isn't going anywhere.

"We understand things are different there, but some people just don't get it. This is a part of the military machine that gives them the right to do what they do, but what they are doing is extreme," the official said.

DeMint said he will draft legislation to rescind any earmarks dedicated for the City of Berkeley in the recently passed appropriations bill — which his office tallied to value about $2.1 million. He said that any money taken back would be transferred to the Marines.

DeMint's office provided a preliminary list of items that would be subject to his proposal:

— $975,000 for the University of California at Berkeley, for the Matsui Center for Politics and Public Service, which may include establishing an endowment, and for cataloguing the papers of Congressman Robert Matsui.

— $750,000 for the Berkeley/Albana ferry service.

— $243,000 for the Chez Panisse Foundation, for a school lunch initiative to integrate lessons about wellness, sustainability and nutrition into the academic curriculum.

— $94,000 for a Berkeley public safety interoperability program.

— $87,000 for the Berkeley Unified School District, nutrition education program.

The Marine official, speaking with FOX News on Friday, said Marine Commandant Gen. James Conway scoffed at the news, but there are no plans for to protest the City Council's decisions. There are definitely no plans to move the recruiting station either.

"To actually put something into law that encourages the disruption of a federal office is ridiculous. They are not going to kick a federal office out of its rightful place there, and this is not going to discourage those young patriots who want to be Marines," the official said.

The Berkeley City Council this week voted to tell the Marines their downtown recruiting station is not welcome and "if recruiters choose to stay, they do so as uninvited and unwelcome guests," according to The Associated Press.

The council also voted to explore whether a city anti-discrimination law applies to the Marines, with a focus on the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy that prevents open homosexuality in the military.

The council also voted to give the antiwar group Code Pink a parking space in front of the recruiting office once a week for six months, as well as a protest permit.

The Marine recruiting office in Berkeley has been open for about one year, but has been the subject of recent protests by Code Pink members.

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The moonbats are upping the ante and pouring gallons of fresh fuel on their anti-military fire in Berkeley. Following on the heels of the Berkeley City Council’s move to grant them special parking privileges and free sound permits to protest the Marine recruiting center, Code Pinkos held a mock debate at the recruitment office. Medea Benjamin gloated (via Daily Cal):

Code Pink Stages Mock Debate at Marines Center
Intended Debate Turns Into Rally After Counterpoint Backs Out
By KELLY FITZPATRICK -- Contributing Writer
Thursday, January 31, 2008

A local activist group drew a crowd of 50 onlookers yesterday when they staged a mock debate against a military recruiting office in Downtown Berkeley.

Although conservative radio talk show host Melanie Morgan was originally scheduled to participate, she was ultimately replaced by a member of activist group Code Pink pretending to espouse conservative views.

Issues ranged from the congressional race between Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan to the military presence in Berkeley. "We are the defenders of democracy, the upholders of the Constitution," said Medea Benjamin, co-founder of Code Pink. "If it weren't for people like the people in Berkeley, standing up for what they believe, we'd be living under Hitler."

Without an opposing voice present, members of Code Pink and other activist groups including The World Can't Wait, Middle East Children's Alliance and Veterans for Peace, turned the debate into an anti-war protest.

Marine recruiters did not return calls for comment yesterday.

Morgan, an early-morning conservative talk show host on KSFO, initially agreed to the debate based on certain conditions but ultimately refused, citing Code Pink's ulterior political aims in inviting her to speak.

Her conditions included a neutral moderator and the participation of other military supporters, including a marine recruiter, a veteran and another radio personality. Once Morgan found out that the other invitees, including the military recruiter, had backed out, she said she decided not to participate. "I wouldn't walk into a situation that was completely stacked for a political view which in my perspective is indefensible," Morgan said.

But Code Pink organizer Zanne Joi said Morgan's demands were not made explicit and would have been met. The debate follows Tuesday's City Council decision to grant Code Pink a parking spot in front of the military recruitment center on Shattuck Avenue, facilitating the ongoing protests.

Another resolution passed by the City Council directed the city manager to send a letter to the U.S. Marine Corps informing them that they are "uninvited and unwelcome intruders" in Berkeley.

PhoeBe sorgen, a Code Pink activist and member of the city's Peace and Justice Commission, said the resolutions were supportive of the group's continued resistance and showed the city was taking an official stand against the center. Code Pink has staged protests against the center on Shattuck every Wednesday since Sept. 26.

At the debate, local activists and Code Pink members also promoted a proposed initiative for the November elections that would require the center to obtain a special use permit to remain in Berkeley.

Yesterday's debate was only one of many steps to remove the recruitment center from Berkeley, Joi said. "We'll be here as long as they're here," she said.

Contact Kelly Fitzpatrick at kfitzpatrick@dailycal.org.
http://www.dailycal.org/article/1001...marines_center


[i]I wonder if a pro-life group should apply for parking privileges and free sound permits in order to protest outside one of Berkeley’s abortion clinics ??

Anyone up for a constitutional challenge?

One Berkeley City Councilwoman now says she’s “ashamed” of her vote.



Group protests Marine recruiters in Berkeley
Kevin Fagan, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, February 1, 2008

Emboldened by this week's show of support by the Berkeley City Council, anti-war protesters on Thursday cranked up their noisy effort to throw the U.S. Marine Corps recruiters out of town, but in the pounding rain it was hard to tell who won the figurative battle of wills.

On one hand, the protesters mustered one of their biggest crowds yet - 40 people - to yell "Drive out the Bush regime" and other slogans outside the Marines' recruiting station on Shattuck Avenue. Hundreds of motorists honked in support as they passed.

On the other hand, there was nobody working at the recruiting station to hear these entreaties. The recruiting staff took the afternoon off.

And not only did the protesters get soaked to the bone in one of the heaviest downpours all week, several local business owners and their customers seethed under the aural onslaught of bullhorns and chanting from 3 to 5 p.m. "They need a place to be heard, but it doesn't seem like this is the best one," complained Mike Mathis, who sometimes had to shout to be heard as his hair was being cut at the ZNS Beauty Station, next door to the Marines' office. "This is too small a place for a protest this loud."

Not in the minds of those doing the protest, it wasn't.

The spot was perfect and the noise justified, said Zanne Joy, who has been helping organize peace demonstrations at the recruiting station for four months with the women's anti-war group Code Pink. Anything legal is justified if it succeeds in persuading the Marine Corps to move its recruiting station out of Berkeley, she said, noting proudly that the Berkeley City Council agrees.

The council voted late Tuesday to give Code Pink a designated parking space directly in front of the recruiting station, as well as a sound permit for once-a-week protests. It also approved a separate resolution calling the military recruiters "uninvited and unwelcome intruders" and declaring that the office - which opened quietly in December 2006 - is not welcome in the city.

"We were shocked when we learned last fall that this recruiting station showed up here," Joy said. "It's an affront to the city and the people of Berkeley, who have always supported peace."

Since October, the weekly protests by Code Pink have mostly consisted of about a dozen people, so Thursday's crowd was a significant escalation. Joy and representatives from several other protest groups said they intend to mount demonstrations as many times a week as they can, even if the sound permit is good only once a week.

They also began circulating a petition on Wednesday to gather 5,000 signatures to put a measure on the November ballot that would require public hearings before military recruiting offices could open up near schools or homes.

Marine Corps officials did not return calls for comment.

However, ex-Marine Staff Sgt. Bill Hamilton showed up on his own to say he wholeheartedly supports the rights of the protesters to speak , but doesn't like their effort to silence the Marine Corps' voice in Berkeley. "They don't seem to realize that this recruiting office is only for recruiting potential officers with college degrees, not kids right out of high school," said Hamilton, who drove in from Pleasanton to become the only on-scene counterpoint to the demonstration. "Marines are willing to die so these people can have their say, but I wish they understood the situation better."

Even the City Council is not of one voice on the matter.

The vote to award the Code Pink parking spot was 8-1, and the condemnation resolution was 6-3. On Thursday, the polarized emotions that went into those votes had not abated. "I'm ashamed of my vote," said Councilwoman Betty Olds, who helped approve the parking spot but not the condemnation. "The protesters should have free speech - this is where Free Speech was born, after all - but to tell the Marines they are not welcome is shameful. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't even go for the parking spot."

Councilwoman Dona Spring, however, said she would love to step up the pressure even more against the Marine recruiting office. "We're not condemning the men and women who serve, we are condemning the U.S. policy that is teaching the Marines and other military people to torture, oust other countries' political leaders and do other evil things."

E-mail Kevin Fagan at kfagan@sfchronicle.com

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...sn=001&sc=1000





Wouldn't Thomas Jefferson and the Founding Fathers be surprised to hear this ??


Translation : So "we don't hate YOU - just everything you do, everything you stand for, everything you work for..." This is liberish for "support" ??


See comments above ....

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Demonstrators Get Space to Protest
By Judith Scherr (01-29-08)

The question of dedicating space—a parking space—for Code Pink’s weekly demonstrations in front of the downtown Berkeley Marine Recruiting Center (MRC) raised hackles at Tuesday night’s Berkeley City Council meeting, when Councilmember Gordon Wozniak likened the demonstrations there to protests at abortion clinics. “There’s a line between protesting and harassing,” Wozniak said, referring to possible harassment of recruits.

Wozniak was the lone vote in opposition to a resolution authored by Councilmembers Linda Maio and Max Anderson designating a parking space in front of the recruiting center for the demonstrators from noon to 4 p.m. every Wednesday for six months.

The dedicated parking space “is showing favoritism to one side of the argument,” Wozniak said, adding, “My concern is giving a parking space in front of the Marine Recruiting Center seems confrontational.”

While Dori Schmidt, whose husband owns The Berkeley Review, a test preparation business above the MRC, told the council that the demonstrations disrupt the business with their noise, other public speakers supported the parking space designation. “It’s not favoritism,” said PhoeBe Sorgen, a member of Code Pink and the Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists Social Justice Committee. Rather, it’s following the Berkeley “tradition to stand up for peace,” she said.

Bob Meola, a veteran who has staffed hot lines for military personnel trying to leave the service, told the council that use of the parking space will help the demonstrators deliver the truth to possible recruits. “People get lied to. They don’t get the jobs and training” they’re told they will get, Meola said. “It’s a community service to warn youth about the criminal liars.”

Anderson spoke as a former Marine who had protested the Vietnam War, addressing the unfair advantage of the Marines that have “millions of dollars at their disposal to bombard the nation with propaganda.”

Councilmember Betty Olds, who originally intended vote against the resolution, said she changed her mind, especially listening to one of the speakers who is a 90-year-old peace activist. Olds said it would have been hypocritical of her to oppose the resolution, since she, like many others in Berkeley, “found a psychiatrist who said their kids were all crazy to get them out of the [Vietnam] war.”

Olds added, “The Marines ought to have had the sense not to come here.”

The council also went on record calling on the governor to withdraw the California National Guard from Iraq, asking Congress to reaffirm the existence of the Armenian Genocide and adopting a policy, where practical, to cease purchases form Chevron Corp. They also raised meter parking fees from $1 to $1.25 per hour, made Berkeley a sanctuary for medical cannabis users and dispensaries and approved both the city manager and Police Review Commission reports on prevention of criminal activity by police.

http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/a...&storyID=29066


Too true, but guess how we stood up for what we believed in when Hitler threatened it? We used the military you hate so much. *gasp* You didn’t know?

Man, those Pinkos need to take a logic course.

It’s a very sad state of affairs that so many people have no grasp of our country’s history and appreciation for what our military has and continues to provide for us. I think this battle in Berkeley is one the entire country has to fight and participate in. Enough is enough. We will never allow our military to be treated as it was in the 60’s again. We must all stand tall and fight the traitors in Berkeley.

We need to get organized. What should those of us who live outside of California do other than email our senators? If donations to a group who is going to fight these monsters will help, just tell me where to send the money.

Again, where is Pelosi and the governor? Why are they not standing up for the Marines?

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Move America Forward’s Melanie Morgan sends word of a new petition protesting Berkeley’s discrimination against the Marines. She tells me: “We will be delivering the petition in person to the City of Berkeley at the next regularly scheduled meeting. Thanks for helping to spread the story of the outrageous conduct and slander against our troops.”

The petition is here. http://petition.moveamericaforward.org/Berkeley2008.asp

The text:

In the interest of "full disclosure"; here’s the text of the Berkeley city council agenda with the “Peace and Justice Commission’s” recommendation that led to the resolution giving Code Pink special parking privileges and a free sound permit to protest at the Marine recruitment center: http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/Content....aspx?id=11042

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