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Jolie Rouge · 11-08-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

One thing you are missing is that I'm not saying that guns would be illegal. I'm not saying outlaw guns. I'm say stop manufacturing them. If there were only but rifles and revolvers and shotguns I would be happy. Why? Because these are instuments for hunting.
Why do we need fully or semi-automatic weapons?
What purpose do they serve?
Why do we need weapons that can shoot 30+ rounds in less than a minute?
A simple revolver (cock the hammer, pull the trigger, repeat six times, reload) is sufficent enough to defend yourself.

Fully or semi-automatic weapons have been illegal for years -- that did not stop them from being out on the street.

What do you propose we do with all the guns already manufactured ?

What about the people who collect guns -- do you think they will simply turn them over on your say-so ?

DO you think the criminals are simply going to turn theirs in ?

What are the Armed Forces and Law Enforcement supposed to do ?

Do you think we are going to get all the countries all around the world to stop manufacturing guns and to melt down the ones they have ?

It is a nice idea -- but not based on realities.

janelle · 11-08-2004, 04:25 PM

I'm not talking about teaching a specific religion but the Golden Rule is very important anywhere. Who first talked about the Golden Rule? Hope I don't have to answer that.

The schools are becoming so secular it's hard to know what to say to the kids and this can't be good. Some teachers will speak up but at the danger of losing their job. And some people will put their kids in religious schools even if they are not of the same religion. They want their child in a moral based school, at least it's safer.

YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Fully or semi-automatic weapons have been illegal for years -- that did not stop them from being out on the street.

What do you propose we do with all the guns already manufactured ?

What about the people who collect guns -- do you think they will simply turn them over on your say-so ?

DO you think the criminals are simply going to turn theirs in ?

What are the Armed Forces and Law Enforcement supposed to do ?

Do you think we are going to get all the countries all around the world to stop manufacturing guns and to melt down the ones they have ?

It is a nice idea -- but not based on realities.

Destroy all manufactured illegal firearms.

Too bad so sad for collectors. They have registry of gun permits, easy to track down who has what. Fines and jail for those who don't comply.

Eventually all illegal fire arms will be eliminated there fore criminals won;t have them either. Especially if they are not being manufactured.

The law enforcement and the military shold be allowed certain fire arms. Although S.W.A.T. would have a hard time. Their job is to help when the regular police are out gunned. If you change Amendment 2 then they won't need to over power anyone after awhile.

Other countries can do whatever other countries want, we set the example. Besides the amount of death inflicted by firearms is much less in other countries. Illegal weapons will no longer be imported in.

YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

I'm not talking about teaching a specific religion but the Golden Rule is very important anywhere. Who first talked about the Golden Rule? Hope I don't have to answer that.

The schools are becoming so secular it's hard to know what to say to the kids and this can't be good. Some teachers will speak up but at the danger of losing their job. And some people will put their kids in religious schools even if they are not of the same religion. They want their child in a moral based school, at least it's safer.

The "Golden Rule" being "Do unto other as you would have them do unto you"? Is this it? Is this all. Children should be learning this at home and at school anyway. So why are we dragging in religon?

Jolie Rouge · 11-08-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

One thing you are missing is that I'm not saying that guns would be illegal. I'm not saying outlaw guns ...

Now you are contridicting yourself ...

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

Destroy all manufactured illegal firearms.

Too bad so sad for collectors. They have registry of gun permits, easy to track down who has what. Fines and jail for those who don't comply.

Eventually all illegal fire arms will be eliminated there fore criminals won;t have them either. Especially if they are not being manufactured.

The law enforcement and the military shold be allowed certain fire arms. Although S.W.A.T. would have a hard time. Their job is to help when the regular police are out gunned. If you change Amendment 2 then they won't need to over power anyone after awhile.

Other countries can do whatever other countries want, we set the example. Besides the amount of death inflicted by firearms is much less in other countries. Illegal weapons will no longer be imported in.

This last is so unrealistic I have to single it out.

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

Illegal weapons will no longer be imported in.

OK - cocaine and pot have been illegal for years. It is illegal to import them.
Why do we still have a drug problem.

Oh - yeah - the drug dealers have lots of semi and fully automatic illegal guns already.

ladybugbhb · 11-08-2004, 04:44 PM

first off let me say AS long as there are tests, THERE WILL BE PRAYER IN SCHOOL, lol. ( i saw that on a bumper sticker)
i am a lucky one. my dd attends a public school, but her teacher lets each child take a day and say the blessing right before lunch. now, it is a different kid every day, so you may get a different blessing everyday, but that is fine by me.

and second,
do you not think that even if the US stopped manufacturing those guns that the "bad guys" would not just go buy them on the black market from another country? and the ones who are collectors and hunters, i assure you are not going to just hand over there collections. my dh hunts and he has different guns for different seasons, bet that creeps you out huh?

adorkablex · 11-08-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

Look at all the school shootings---and killings. How has our country come to this? Doesn't it horrify you? Our kids think killing is the answer to problems. That is NOTwhat Jesus taught but teachers cannot tell the kids what Jesus taught cause they're not allowed to speak Jesus's name on school property or at least in the classroom.

Some people still do not understand how Christians think. When you tell us we can't talk about Jesus you might as well be telling us to shut up about our family. Sit down and stop talking about your father and your brother. God is our Father, heavenly. Jesus if our Brother, heavenly.

We have been told for years to shut up with the talk about what your family believes. We don't want to hear about your family. In fact, we think your family is stupid. Don't bring your family to school, don't show any pictures of your family in here. We live our religion. We would have a split personality if we didn't.

School shootings have nothing to do with religion. It has to do with those kids being picked on and beat up their entire school lives. It has to do with a big group of kids picking on a smaller group because they don't "fit in".

YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Now you are contridicting yourself ...

This last is so unrealistic I have to single it out.

OK - cocaine and pot have been illegal for years. It is illegal to import them.
Why do we still have a drug problem.

Oh - yeah - the drug dealers have lots of semi and fully automatic illegal guns already.

How am I contradicting myself? I'm not saying out law all guns, just the semi-and fully automatic ones.
We have a drub problem because there is still a demand. People want ot get high. (Don't ask me why I don't know

) Plus it is a lot hard to smuggle weapons in than cocaine. I'm not expecting this to go over night, it will take time. If you ask law enforcement offical they will tell you drug trafficing has gone down. It would take time, but the benefits would be great.

mesue · 11-08-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Fully or semi-automatic weapons have been illegal for years -- that did not stop them from being out on the street.

What do you propose we do with all the guns already manufactured ?

What about the people who collect guns -- do you think they will simply turn them over on your say-so ?

DO you think the criminals are simply going to turn theirs in ?

What are the Armed Forces and Law Enforcement supposed to do ?

Do you think we are going to get all the countries all around the world to stop manufacturing guns and to melt down the ones they have ?

It is a nice idea -- but not based on realities.

Well drugs have been around for years too and they are also illegal should we make that legal also. Other countries make a living off of drugs and many of these drugs are legal in their counties and their not going to quit growing or making them so based on your argument we will all soon be singing, "One toke over the line sweet Jesus one toke over the line."

By the way I don't smoke pot but I might try it if it was legal.

Jolie Rouge · 11-08-2004, 04:51 PM

I went to public school - we had a student that was Muslim. He was allowed to go outside at certain times of the day ( notably - math class

) and do his prayers. He had a right to Freedom of Religion. We were not allowed to conduct a Bible Study Group - at lunch, in the library - because of the seperation of Church and State. We had three meeting before we were shut down. We tried to meet afterschool; they would not allow it.

Why does Freedom of Religion apply to any and all faiths except Christian ?

YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ladybugbhb

first off let me say AS long as there are tests, THERE WILL BE PRAYER IN SCHOOL, lol. ( i saw that on a bumper sticker)
i am a lucky one. my dd attends a public school, but her teacher lets each child take a day and say the blessing right before lunch. now, it is a different kid every day, so you may get a different blessing everyday, but that is fine by me.

and second,
do you not think that even if the US stopped manufacturing those guns that the "bad guys" would not just go buy them on the black market from another country? and the ones who are collectors and hunters, i assure you are not going to just hand over there collections. my dh hunts and he has different guns for different seasons, bet that creeps you out huh?

No. Hunting is fine. My best friend's father sells guns as a part of his trade. but, does your husband go hunting with an Uzi? How about and AK-47? Didn't think so. An incentive to handing over weapons from collectors is maybe a tax break. They could recieve a one time tax break for turning in an illegal firearm. Well my hope is that other countries will no longer have the demand for fire arms, there for going out of business. Like I said we could set an example. The problem is no one wants to try it. I mean look, people here are gunnig (excuse the pun) for excuses to hold onto their firearms. And remember, rifles and shotguns would be fine. Plus you can always go bow hunting.