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YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

I don't understand why you say our government has become a criminal organization. The Dems were in charge then when it became one. You should be glad the party has changed and maybe the Republicans with both houses being Republican can retify all that.

You say a good moral center is never a bad thing? Are you saying the coasts are not moral? Now I'm confused.

Maybe we agree more than we know.

When I say the Government is a criminal organization, I mean since the wall fell in '89. Plus some dealings during the Reagan administration.

The middle of the country is tired of being told how to live from both coasts. They do not understand us.

The only thing different in this election is Christians have finally woken up to how their rights were being eroded.

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YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigLyd1

I say AMEN to that. As a matter of fact, I'm insulted (not for the obvious reasons) that my state is not in Jesus Land.

That's a good point about getting rid of God in our country. I think the liberal Dems are starting to get that reputation and it's not nice to not like God.

I'm sure hoping that's not what YNKYHTR is saying.

No that is not what I am saying. Unfortunately Christians get a bad name in this country. Mainly because of intolerance. And because for every good Christian there seems to be some radical nut that makes them look bad. Like that guy who wanted to save the Lions. LOL!
I blieve in a moral center with ethics, and tolerance.

Njean31 · 11-08-2004, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

The only thing different in this election is Christians have finally woken up to how their rights were being eroded.

Explain the italicized.

i can't speak for janelle but i can think of a couple of examples of Christians rights becoming eroded, NO PRAYER IN SCHOOL, TREND TOWARD MUTING GOD'S NAME IN GOVERNMENT/PUBLIC MEETINGS AND BUILDINGS, NO MORE PLAYS AT CHRISTMAS TIME IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS REFLECTING THE REAL MEAINING OF CHRISTMAS...removing the TEN COMMANDMENTS in courthouses/public buildings. it's just a matter of time before the motto "IN GOD WE TRUST" is off the currency. i'm sure i can think of more examples, but that's a snipet

YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Njean31

i can't speak for janelle but i can think of a couple of examples of Christians rights becoming eroded, NO PRAYER IN SCHOOL, TREND TOWARD MUTING GOD'S NAME IN GOVERNMENT/PUBLIC MEETINGS AND BUILDINGS, NO MORE PLAYS AT CHRISTMAS TIME IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS REFLECTING THE REAL MEAINING OF CHRISTMAS...removing the TEN COMMANDMENTS in courthouses/public buildings. it's just a matter of time before the motto "IN GOD WE TRUST" is off the currency. i'm sure i can think of more examples, but that's a snipet

These are rights? We have a right to prayer in school? And christmas plays in public schools? The school administrations are the ones who set standard for dress, and conduct in the public school system. Otherwise, there are Christian academies, and Catholics schools. Muting God's name at Government meetings? Removal of the Ten Commandments from courthouse should be left to the Government, they are government buildings. If you want to place the ten commandments on your front lawn then there should be no issue. The prayer in school, I believe, is posibley an idea that will eventually fade. Why? Not because people want to, but because as time goes on, the people who remember a time when there was prayer in school won't be around anymore. Let me put it to you this way, I never prayed in school, there fore my fighting for something I have never experienced is pretty remote. Plus, I don't understand the big push for prayer in schools? The poeple who talk about it talk about it with fierce conviction, which is not a problem, but I don't see what it is going to add to the school experience?
And what about children who have not the same belief, we allow them to get singled out. It is bad enough some kids get teased because they can't afford to wear J Crew or Gap.

suzski · 11-08-2004, 03:41 PM

I live in Jesusland. Amen!

Jolie Rouge · 11-08-2004, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

We need to change Roe v. Wade. We'll make it so that a woman's right to choose is granted in only the following circumstances, rape and incest. Making it illegal to perform partial birth abortions, yet keeping it open so that it is not a form of birth control.

"health of the mother" is still an issue that needs to be included.

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

As a trade off we'll rewrite the 2nd Amendment to reflect the change in the times. As the COnstitution is a living document it needs to fit witht the times. "The right to bare arms will be limited to rifles (muzzel loading, and bolt action) and revolvers. Eliminating fully automatic and semiautomatic assault rifles and hand guns. Shotgun require special permit and are to be used only during hunting seasons.

As Ladybug points out - not all the citezens of the United States are law abiding people.

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Originally Posted by ladybugbhb

well, when a burglar comes into your home, with the intent to harm you and yours, make sure that it is hunting season so you can use that shotgun to protect yourself. if it is not, then i guess you just have to let him do as he pleases.

When you outlaw guns, then only the outlaws will have guns.

janelle · 11-08-2004, 04:01 PM

Look at all the school shootings---and killings. How has our country come to this? Doesn't it horrify you? Our kids think killing is the answer to problems. That is NOTwhat Jesus taught but teachers cannot tell the kids what Jesus taught cause they're not allowed to speak Jesus's name on school property or at least in the classroom.

Some people still do not understand how Christians think. When you tell us we can't talk about Jesus you might as well be telling us to shut up about our family. Sit down and stop talking about your father and your brother. God is our Father, heavenly. Jesus if our Brother, heavenly.

We have been told for years to shut up with the talk about what your family believes. We don't want to hear about your family. In fact, we think your family is stupid. Don't bring your family to school, don't show any pictures of your family in here. We live our religion. We would have a split personality if we didn't.

YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

"health of the mother" is still an issue that needs to be included.

As Ladybug points out - not all the citezens of the United States are law abiding people.

When you outlaw guns, then only the outlaws will have guns.

Health of the Mother? Fine. One thing you are missing is that I'm not saying that guns would be illegal. I'm not saying outlaw guns. I'm say stop manufacturing them. If there were only but rifles and revolvers and shotguns I would be happy. Why? Because these are instuments for hunting.
Why do we need fully or semi-automatic weapons?
What purpose do they serve?
Why do we need weapons that can shoot 30+ rounds in less than a minute?
A simple revolver (cock the hammer, pull the trigger, repeat six times, reload) is sufficent enough to defend yourself.
When you leave laws and regulations vague and open, like Roe v. Wade, you open the door to all kinds of trouble....like partial birth abortion.

janelle · 11-08-2004, 04:17 PM

Our founding fathers had no clue about semi-automatic rifles but the people who passed the abortion bill are still around and they do know about the latest findings in science. They can see the baby and in 3D if they want but they won't budge on their position. Now that is sad. Most people think partial-birth abortion is barbaric but the ban wouldn't get passed in Congress. I think now it will be.

YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

Look at all the school shootings---and killings. How has our country come to this? Doesn't it horrify you? Our kids think killing is the answer to problems. That is NOTwhat Jesus taught but teachers cannot tell the kids what Jesus taught cause they're not allowed to speak Jesus's name on school property or at least in the classroom.

Some people still do not understand how Christians think. When you tell us we can't talk about Jesus you might as well be telling us to shut up about our family. Sit down and stop talking about your father and your brother. God is our Father, heavenly. Jesus if our Brother, heavenly.

We have been told for years to shut up with the talk about what your family believes. We don't want to hear about your family. In fact, we think your family is stupid. Don't bring your family to school, don't show any pictures of your family in here. We live our religion. We would have a split personality if we didn't.

Well, that is a good arguement, certainly interesting, but how does a school shooting compare to school prayer? Like I said there are Christian academies and Catholics schools. If there is to be prayer, why not do it in church or home? How will we know if the teachers are teaching the right religous cariculum?
What about different interperations of the Bible? I know my co-workers interperet it differently than I do.
What about other religons, how well versed must the teachers be? How many people are going to want to go to college to get a degree in early childhood education knowing they have toi teach religon, I know my wife wouldn't. What about, like I said, those who don't believe what then? What about Wicken? What about paganism?
When you open pandora's religous box, there is alot ot be accounted for.
PS I hate school shootings too. That's why I propse a change to the 2nd Amendment.

YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

Our founding fathers had no clue about semi-automatic rifles but the people who passed the abortion bill are still around and they do know about the latest findings in science. They can see the baby and in 3D if they want but they won't budge on their position. Now that is sad. Most people think partial-birth abortion is barbaric but the ban wouldn't get passed in Congress. I think now it will be.

Good. Then let's change Amendment number two also.