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janelle · 11-08-2004, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

And Janelle, although I do believe Jesus is a posative influence on soceity from the moral and ethical stand point, I do not believe he should be used as a campaign gimmick, nor do I believe in state sponsored church.

Living your beliefs is not a gimmick. This nation is a Christian nation. Most people who live here are Christians of one denonmination or another. People are tired of all the political movements in the past who want to deny it. Now they have voted.

The only thing different in this election is Christians have finally woken up to how their rights were being eroded. In the past we took it for granted that most people accepted the fact that America is a Christian nation. Now Christians have wised up and know even here our way of living can be taken away from us if we get complacent.

There is a separation of church and state but the state cannot take away religion. I think that is the main reason our founding fathers put that in the constitution. They did not want a state religion like England but they wanted religion. Otherwise, they would have put in the constitution a clause having a country without any religion. From what I have read most if not all the founding fathers cherished their religion and many people have immigrated here so they can follow their religious beliefs.

We are getting back to our roots now with this election. The middle of the country is tired of being told how to live from both coasts. They do not understand us. Now they need to see us for who we are or they will be voted out.----oh, that just happened didn't it.

mesue · 11-08-2004, 02:17 PM

I'm always confused by the President's views on some matters. I always was taught in my religion anyway that if you believe something, you believe it, you can't tear it apart and pick and choose what you want it to mean. Like the right to life, a lot of people quote the ten commandments, one of the most memorable is, thou shalt not kill! Well now if it applies to the abortion issue it also applies to the death penalty issue just as much. And we are not talking about the innocense or guilt between a so called murderer or the innocense of a fetus, we are talking about the commandment thou shalt not kill, it does not say that you can apply it here but disregard it in another situation, it says very clearly, thou shalt not kill! But yet this President who says he is a born again christian and against abortion has the record for the most executions ever as governor of Texas.
The other thing I really do not like or appreciate is the President's use of his religion to get re-elected. That to me is very unchristian like to use God to further his political agenda. It reminds me of a preacher begging for money on tv to further his ministry to the poor in his representation of God as a prophet while he himself is wearing a thousand dollar suit and wearing a rolex.

YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

Living your beliefs is not a gimmick. This nation is a Christian nation. Most people who live here are Christians of one denonmination or another. People are tired of all the political movements in the past who want to deny it. Now they have voted.

The only thing different in this election is Christians have finally woken up to how their rights were being eroded. In the past we took it for granted that most people accepted the fact that America is a Christian nation. Now Christians have wised up and know even here our way of living can be taken away from us if we get complacent.

There is a separation of church and state but the state cannot take away religion. I think that is the main reason our founding fathers put that in the constitution. They did not want a state religion like England but they wanted religion. Otherwise, they would have put in the constitution a clause having a country without any religion. From what I have read most if not all the founding fathers cherished their religion and many people have immigrated here so they can follow their religious beliefs.

We are getting back to our roots now with this election. The middle of the country is tired of being told how to live from both coasts. They do not understand us. Now they need to see us for who we are or they will be voted out.----oh, that just happened didn't it.

I'm curious, how do you feel your rights are being eroded as a Christian? Your are free to attend whichever church you choose. You may speak of your faith openly. It is unfortunate that you feel that the coast are trying to tell you haow to live. In what way do you see this being applied? As I have said a good moral center is never a bad thing. And obviously you see the timeing as being right. What do you propose now? Now that you have our attention what is it you want? I know what I want, the end of the criminal organization that our government, over time, has become.

cleaningla · 11-08-2004, 02:23 PM

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy nieghbor-Saddam has WMD's.

Thou shalt not steal or covet thy nieghbors goods-Iraqi oil.

YNKYH8R · 11-08-2004, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mesue

I'm always confused by the President's views on some matters. I always was taught in my religion anyway that if you believe something, you believe it, you can't tear it apart and pick and choose what you want it to mean. Like the right to life, a lot of people quote the ten commandments, one of the most memorable is, thou shalt not kill! Well now if it applies to the abortion issue it also applies to the death penalty issue just as much. And we are not talking about the innocense or guilt between a so called murderer or the innocense of a fetus, we are talking about the commandment thou shalt not kill, it does not say that you can apply it here but disregard it in another situation, it says very clearly, thou shalt not kill! But yet this President who says he is a born again christian and against abortion has the record for the most executions ever as governor of Texas.
The other thing I really do not like or appreciate is the President's use of his religion to get re-elected. That to me is very unchristian like to use God to further his political agenda. It reminds me of a preacher begging for money on tv to further his ministry to the poor in his representation of God as a prophet while he himself is wearing a thousand dollar suit and wearing a rolex.

WOW! You made my comment look like crap! LOL!

janelle · 11-08-2004, 02:32 PM

I see you still believe Michael Moore's propaganda. Most didn't.

My church says the death penalty is evil as well but it can be used for self defense as well as war. Some people will never change so if they are ever released they will kill again. Society needs to be protected from them.

Life in prison doesn't mean life in prison anymore.

cleaningla · 11-08-2004, 02:40 PM

Forgot one.

Thou shalt keep holy the sabbath day.

Does Bush go to church?

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/152/story_15208_1.html

Guess as long as he doesn't break the one Clinton broke, it is okay.

Njean31 · 11-08-2004, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

My church says the death penalty is evil as well but it can be used for self defense as well as war. Some people will never change so if they are ever released they will kill again. Society needs to be protected from them.

yes, that is what i believe as well. killing a person who tortures, rapes, mutilates your grandma, daughter, and so and so forth is self defense........they are a threat to mankind and need to be exterminated. it follows along the same lines as MOST OF THE TIME a citizen of the us can kill an intruder or someone trying to physically cause them harm and not be arrested for murder.

janelle · 11-08-2004, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

I'm curious, how do you feel your rights are being eroded as a Christian? Your are free to attend whichever church you choose. You may speak of your faith openly. It is unfortunate that you feel that the coast are trying to tell you haow to live. In what way do you see this being applied? As I have said a good moral center is never a bad thing. And obviously you see the timeing as being right. What do you propose now? Now that you have our attention what is it you want? I know what I want, the end of the criminal organization that our government, over time, has become.

I don't understand why you say our government has become a criminal organization. The Dems were in charge then when it became one. You should be glad the party has changed and maybe the Republicans with both houses being Republican can retify all that.

You say a good moral center is never a bad thing? Are you saying the coasts are not moral? Now I'm confused.

Maybe we agree more than we know.

Njean31 · 11-08-2004, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cleaningla

Forgot one.

Thou shalt keep holy the sabbath day.

Does Bush go to church?

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/152/story_15208_1.html

Guess as long as he doesn't break the one Clinton broke, it is okay.

I bet he has some sort of spiritual advisor in his cabinet or personal staff.

BigLyd1 · 11-08-2004, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

Is this thread saying a vote for Bush was a vote for Jesus? Alright, I'll go along with that!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is great IMO.

When people want to get rid of God in our country you have to expect a backlash. It's been coming for a long time.

I say AMEN to that. As a matter of fact, I'm insulted (not for the obvious reasons) that my state is not in Jesus Land.

That's a good point about getting rid of God in our country. I think the liberal Dems are starting to get that reputation and it's not nice to not like God.

I'm sure hoping that's not what YNKYHTR is saying.