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Old 12-04-2004, 04:57 PM   #254 (permalink)
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How can Islam take over or allowed to if Christians cannot be mentioned in the schools? Both are religions but maybe Cal Thomas knows something I don't know.

Are we going to stop saying CHRISTmas because it's not a PC word. You can't say Christmas in public schools. How funny but some do go off the deep end. I can't believe this is the Democrat party. It must be the radical part of it. Lots of Democrats would be horrified.
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How can Islam take over or allowed to if Christians cannot be mentioned in the schools? Both are religions but maybe Cal Thomas knows something I don't know.

Are we going to stop saying CHRISTmas because it's not a PC word. You can't say Christmas in public schools. How funny but some do go off the deep end. I can't believe this is the Democrat party. It must be the radical part of it. Lots of Democrats would be horrified.
I think it is a little extreme that people should not be allowed to say Christmas in school. Plus ever wonder why all these holidays fall in the winter? Too erie if you ask me.
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Thanksgiving falls in the winter cause the pilgrams had the feast at harvest time when all the crops were in.

Christmas falls in the winter cause the Pagans celebrated the winter solstace on the shortest day of the year and Christians decided to incorperate their holidays into Pagan holidays to convert them---just good PR. And Christ is light to the world so what better time to remind everyone of a much better light than the Sun---the Son.
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Interesting, but what about Kwanza? And Hannuka? NOthing against either of them, but I first heard about Kwanza last year, it must have been around a long time but we just hear about it now?

Anyway, whatever fashion people ring in the new year should not be detered. I think they should consider another day in which to observe Christ other than Christmas. Why, becuase Christmas has been so commercialized.

Quick question do you think Bush will bring school prayer back?
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Hanukkah is the same date on the Jewish calendar every year. It's celebrated to mark the time when G-d made the oil for the lamps in the newly recovered temple last for eight days when there was only enough oil for one day. It just happened that the Maccabees reclaimed and cleansed the temple when it's winter here. It has nothing to do with the season.
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his whol diatribe was directed at the Democrats. What can Democrats do about peoples complaints with the school system the Republicans are running the show.
The Repuplicans who won in elections last month have not even taken office Clearly this situation ( "If Democrats want to get back in the "values" game and change the perception of their party as being full of secularists intent on removing any reference to G-d from culture and even the history of America, they can start in the government schools." ) has developed in the last few years while Dems have had control BUT I applaud your efforts to take the attention off the main point of posting the article ...

The PC Police who want to remove referances to to anything they disagree with even if it is a historical FACT ("According to Williams' lawsuit, among the other materials rejected by the principal were George Washington's journal, John Adams' diary, Samuel Adams' "The Rights of the Colonists" and William Penn's "The Frame of Government of Pennsylvania." )

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Interesting, but what about Kwanza? And Hannuka? NOthing against either of them, but I first heard about Kwanza last year, it must have been around a long time but we just hear about it now?
Sorry that you have been culturaly deprived -- we have known about Kwanza here for at least twenty-five years ( projects in school HS & JH )
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The Repuplicans who won in elections last month have not even taken office Clearly this situation ( "If Democrats want to get back in the "values" game and change the perception of their party as being full of secularists intent on removing any reference to G-d from culture and even the history of America, they can start in the government schools." ) has developed in the last few years while Dems have had control BUT I applaud your efforts to take the attention off the main point of posting the article ...
I still don't understand how the person who sits in the oval office is supposed to be the head of all things moral. The president is to enforcve the laws as much as anyone else. If there is to be a change it will happen in Conress. And look the Republicans have controled congress for quite a while. It isn't like we sit back and say "well there is a Democrat in office let's let our inhibitions go out the window", and when there is a republican in office we say "okay let's pray."
I, personally, don't look to my President for moral guidence, I can't idolize someone I can't relate too. Morality starts at home. If people don't like seperation of church and state, call your congressmen/woman, don't like how the school is run speak up, they're your tax dollars.
Every school is different if some school is ommiting education because of God then they should do something about it. I don't agree with what they are doing either. I just don't place the blame on Dems or Reps I place the blame on people who let the system go uncheck and then complain later.
And I probably didn't learn about Qwanza because religious historical background was not a part of world geography. And it wasn't like Qwanza was a conversation piece either. Heck, I didn't hear about AIDs till 1989.
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Since the Supreme Court outlawed prayer in school the president has no authority to undo their ruling. Don't they teach basic government in high school any more? I've got to ask, did you look to Clinton for moral leadership? oh and here is the history of Kwanzaa:

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Monday, Dec. 17, 2001

You don’t like the current slate of holidays that we celebrate here in America? Then why not create one of your own? That's exactly what Ronald Everett did back in 1966. He named it "Kwanzaa."

Since then, many people have embraced this new holiday. Check out almost any appointment calendar and you'll find it duly noted on Dec. 26 that "Kwanzaa begins." Stroll through your local card and party store and you'll find Kwanzaa items.

You can even look it up in the World Book Encyclopedia, where you'll find a nifty little article that says Kwanzaa was created by "a black cultural leader." And those who celebrate it will often tell you that it's not just for African Americans.

They're not telling you the whole story; in fact, it's doubtful that they even know the origins of Kwanzaa. Few people do, because the voluminous amount of ink expended on Ronald McKinley Everett most often refers to him as Dr. Maulana Karenga and rarely examines his past.

However, the story of Ron Everett, aka Dr. Karenga, has been told – notably in a Dallas Morning News article from Dec. 26, 1996, and in David Horowitz's late publication, Heterodoxy, in the December 1999 issue.

The story behind the holiday and the man who created it is most interesting.

Forget the notion that Kwanzaa is a holiday for all people. Dr. Karenga states that he created it at the height of the black liberation movement as part of a "re-Africanization" process – "a going back to black."

Dr. Karenga, still just "Ron Everett" at the time, was heavily involved in the black power movement. He started an organization called US. The letters have nothing to do with "United States" but mean simply "US," as opposed to "THEM."

He dropped the Everett name, adopted the Swahili one, which means "master teacher," shaved his head, and began wearing traditional African clothing. US members, similarly attired, often clashed with other black militant groups such as the Black Panthers. The fighting was about which group would control the new Afro-American Studies Center at UCLA.

There were incidents involving beatings and shootings, including one in 1969 in which two US members shot and killed two Black Panthers. Dr. Karenga had other run-ins with the law, including charges that he abused women.

In 1971, he was convicted of assaulting female members of US, and he served time in prison. An LA Times snippet describes the torture of the women as involving a hot soldering iron placed in the mouth of one, while the other's toe was mashed in a vice.

Dr. Karenga says that he is the victim; he was quoted in the News: "All the negative charges are in fact disinformation and frame-ups by the FBI and local and national police."

One thing that's interesting to note about the inventor of Kwanzaa: Practically all of his crimes were committed against black people. And yet, today, he is simply known as an academic who created a holiday for cultural unity.

Nine years after Kwanzaa was invented, he decided to moderate his views and became a Marxist. In 1979, he was hired to run the Black Studies Department at Cal State Long Beach, in all likelihood, the first ex-con to do so.

And so this is Kwanzaa. The militant past of the creator is now ignored in favor of the so-called seven principles of Nguza Saba – principles such as unity, family and self-determination that could have come from Bill Bennett's "Book of Virtues." The word "Kwanzaa" is Swahili, meaning something like "fresh fruits of harvest."

No one remembers the part about "re-Africanization" or the sevenfold path of blackness that Dr. Karenga once espoused. Hardly anyone remembers the shootings, the beatings,the tortures and the prison terms that were once the center of his life. It's just not PC to bring that sort of stuff up now that Kwanzaa is commercialized and making big bucks.

Dr. Karenga does his part to promote the holiday and forget the past. In December, he goes on his annual "Kwanzaa circuit" of speeches and appearances. And he writes.

Remember that little article in the World Book Encyclopedia that legitimized Dr. Karenga as a "black cultural leader"? You guessed it – he wrote the article himself.

Happy Kwanzaa.

Lynn Woolley's e-mail address is lynn@belogical.com.
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Well, we were steps away from having the phrase "Under God" removed from the pledge because ONE man decieded it infringed on his "freedom from religion". We have unregulated uncontroled abortion ( even though the majority of Americans believe that it should not be used as BC ) because a small group of people took it to court. ( BTW - "Jane Roe" now speaks against the infamous "Roe vs Wade" and has spoken before Congess against PBA )


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Guessing you are not familiar with the dreidel ...

Hanukkah celebration includes top game
By LEILA PITCHFORD-ENGLISH


After the eight-candled menorah, the dreidel is one of the most well-known symbols of the Jewish holiday Hanukkah, which starts at sundown Tuesday.
The four-sided top comes from eastern Europe. Some traditions hold that the dreidel was used to protect groups of Torah students. When soldiers came around to prevent their study, the students would hide the books and play with the tops.

The dreidel is used in games of chance to win coins, candy, nuts or raisins. Some families have board games that use the dreidel. Others use it simply as a top, trying to keep it spinning the longest.

Each side of the top has a Hebrew letter on it, which stand for "Nes Gadol Hayah Sham" -- "A Great Miracle Happened There" -- referring to the miracle of the small container of oil that should have lasted one day, but lasted for eight days when the Maccabees were purifying the temple after driving the Syrians from their land. Dreidels in Israel use the Hebrew letter pay instead of shin, so the saying is "A Great Miracle Happened Here."

The letters should be put on the dreidel in order: shin, heh, gimel and nun; however, Hebrew is read from right to left, so nun is the first letter, shin is last.

A basic dreidel game is played with small markers such as candy, nuts or coins.

Players each put a coin in the pot to start. Each player takes a turn spinning the top and acts according to the direction that it falls:

If nun is showing, the player does nothing.

If gimel shows, the player takes everything from the pot.

If heh shows, the player takes half the pot (or half plus one if an odd number exists.)

If shin falls, the player must put one or two objects in the pot.

The person who has the most markers when the pot is empty wins.

Some people use points: nun is zero points, gimel is 20 points, heh is 5 points and shin is a 2 point deduction.

Sources: "Hanukkah Fun, Great Things to Make and Do," Judy Bastyra and Catherine Ward; "The Family Treasury of Jewish Holidays," Malka Drucker; "The Rhythm of Jewish Time," Vicki L. Weber, editor; "Jewish Holidays," Mary Turck

ON THE INTERNET:
These sites have information on dreidels or other Jewish games.

www.billybear4kids.com

www.chanuka.com

http://www.pass.to/newsletter/~rules...ng_dreidel.htm

http://judaism.about.com/

www.jewfaq.org

http://familycrafts.about.com/cs/han.../a/113000a.htm

www.j.co.il

www.akhlah.com

www.zigzagworld.com
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