YNKYH8R

In my opinion, I believe the previous article is a misnomer. I think we are seeing a turn not from GOD himself but from things religious in nature all together. I know that on some occasions I have seen the reports from across the globe and I’ve had to shake my head. I, like others, have a problem with people killing other people over religious views.
My Christian co-worker tried to explain the conflict that has erupted between the Palestinians and the Israelis and to adlib she basically put it that these two tribes have a conflict between who are the chosen people of GOD. Depending on which blood line from Abraham you follow either one could be correct I am guessing here so don’t flame me.
Between conflicts of chosen people and conflicts of how we came to be (creation over evolution) I find myself exhausted. I’ve had many debates over the latter, and I have come to one conclusion; if some one is set in their ways forget it you won’t sway them. LOL!
I guess the one thing that irks me the most from time to time is that some people will or will not do some of the simplest things before they take a religious figure into consideration; now I don’t necessarily mean GOD here. From destinations to marriage partners to choices of clothing to choices of food most of all these things are run past a higher power. There is nothing, quintessentially, wrong with these ideas, in my opinion, but when other decisions are made with the same thought process in mind I kind of get leery.
I know why, because I don’t understand the mentality. I wasn’t raised religious, I went to church but it wasn’t pressed and it was more for show anyway. So these are my two cents. Feel free to put in your too.

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janelle

I know why, because I don’t understand the mentality. I wasn’t raised religious, I went to church but it wasn’t pressed and it was more for show anyway. So these are my two cents. Feel free to put in your too.
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Maybe that's your answer right there. It didn't really mean that much to you, you just showed up and many people do this.

I see some talking to each other all through service and not really conscious as to why they are there---to worship God.

Getting back to roots would be a good thing but it seems our culture is headed away from it's roots. Look at Europe. The women and children go to church and the men stay home. Maybe some "Promise Keepers" going over there would help? We just do not want our country to head in that direction and we see that it is. I think that is the reason for the backlash we had in the last election and not just from so called religious people.

What is "religious people" anyway? LOL, Everyone's definition is different.

janelle

I have a flash for you---they are using a baseball bat right now. Did you read the article Jolie posted? Sorry Jolie, Surfergal posted it. You post so much I just thought it was you. LOL

I don't think as many would have an abortion. Before it was legal, getting pregnant without being married was a scandal, now it doesn't have that stigma. And we have people ready and willing to help all they can. I wish we had adoption centers instead of abortion centers.

Jolie Rouge

Congress Helps Providers Refuse Abortions

WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress made it a little easier for hospitals, insurers and other to refuse to provide or cover abortions.

A provision in a $388 billion spending bill passed by the House and Senate on Saturday would block any of the measure's money from going to federal, state or local agencies that act against health care providers and insurers because they don't provide abortions, make abortion referrals or cover them. ``This policy simply states that health care entities should not be forced to provide elective abortions, a practice to which a majority of health care providers object and which they will not perform as a matter of conscience,'' said Rep. David Weldon, R-Fla., a doctor who sponsored the language.

Weldon said his measure was simply a refinement of decades-old restrictions against federal aid for most abortions. ``This provision is meant to protect health care entities from discrimination because they choose not to provide abortion services,'' he said.

But Democrats complained that the provision was slipped into the voluminous year-end spending bill without debate or discussion in the Senate or the House. ``Now any business entity can decide to tell doctors working for it they can't give information to women about their right to choose,'' said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.

Many clinics and other providers, in exchange for federal funds, are required to at least tell pregnant women who do not wish to have a child that abortion is among their options. Weldon's language would make it more difficult to enforce that, opponents said. ``The Weldon amendment is essentially a domestic gag rule, restricting access to abortion counseling, referral and information,'' said House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California. ``Health care companies should not be able to prevent doctors from giving medically necessary information.''

Boxer said she has been promised a vote in next year's Senate to repeal the provision. But House Democrats conceded earlier this year that they lacked the votes to stop Republicans from approving the measure, and likely would not have votes to strip the measure next year either.

11/20/04 21:38


http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...76.htm&sc=1153

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Damnifiknw

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YNKYH8R

This is not a flash, I read the same thread. Although that case was an obvious adoption situation, look at the result. Which proves my point, to a degree, if you make abortions completely illegal, people will find a way to abort or miscarry on purpose, to avoid certain situations. Where as if it was an option, that was looked down on but still available, and could be done in a clean AMA guidline run facility then you start to see a change.

Now, about the stigma that you mentioned, I just happen to have a story for you. A couple that we know found out that they were pregnant before we got married. When they announced this to everyone, the father's family (southern baptists) wouldn't speak to him for a while, even his own sister. Now you must know that he was considering dumping her before hand and moving back to Florida, then she became pregnant. So what did they do; they got married? Why, because it was the 'right thing to do'. Now this child was born and is showing symptoms of PTSD. The reason he is exerting these symptoms is because his father drinks and pretty loud, and very agressive. His mother didn't want the pregancy, but was iving to live with it, and she doesn't feel like she has a good bond. The childs parents fight, a lot, and have just recently moved to Florida to be closer to his family, and we wouldn't be surprised if she came back alone, divorced and childless.
Now, they got married, as I said before, because it was 'the right thing to do'. Right thing for who, the child who is subjected to his parents arguements and alcholic rages? Or right for his parents who pretty much can't stand each other and she was quoted in saying she would leave him if he wasn't so good around his kid? (Note: he does love his son, and has a good bonfd with him, but he doesn't do anything to curb the boy's behavior.) Or was it right for his family, they won't feel so bad if there is a child in the world as long as the parents are married. Or is it right by GOD?
I feel bad for them, the mother is my wife's cousin and long time friend. But, don't you see...being married doesn't make you a parent, having a child does. They shouldn't have gotten married, he should have broken up with her so that he would be such a destructive force in her or the child's life. I mean to say, if they weren't subjected to the pressures of being married then things would probably have been better for all party's. But who's to know, all I know is that teo people who really don't get along got married because of a child. It is still possible to raise a child and not be married.

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janelle

And this is a situation for adoption as well. When will people stop making children the pawns of fixing problems. You will always have that, abortion or not. Also some people 'FIND GOD" and straighren out their lives when children come along. That happens a lot so we never know how God will work. The woman was taken a chance and I think she still needs to try to keep her family together but if not possible then she needs to leave him and find a good man to father that child. That happend a lot too. Killing does not answer anything but it sure does diminish us.

My hubby wnats to add---"is that the child'sfault"? Does the child have to die cause of the parents life choices"? Adoption into a family who will love and protect the child is the answer, not killing it.

YNKYH8R

Well in the situation of our 'friends' in Florida abortion was not the answer, then again neither was getting married. And no abortion was not the answer for the couple who purposely miscarried the child, adoption was. Abortion doesn't work in either cases. but if it is an option someone wishes to explore ie. rape or incest then it is something that should be available, as well as adoption.
A child doesn't have to die. And it depends on ones defantion of a child. If some one is two weeks pregnant, doesn't know it, smokes heavily and drink and the cells are destroyed or 'aborted' then should criminal charges follow? No. There is no child at that stage only a potential for life.
What would society rather have people swinging bats, or going and having it done professionally? I know I know you're saying neither, but these are choices people face. It is the reality.
As for finding GOD when achild is born, that depends on the person. I've been told that I would find GOD or have a growing faith if I lost someone close to me or I have child, i've hed both I've felt nothing. There is nothing wrong with having a belief in a higher power you have the right, just as do to not have one, or if one never comes along. People don't want their beliefs put down others don't want beliefs thrown in other peoples faces.
Chrisitans live with higher expectations, how many times have you done or said something and someone looked at you and said 'that's not very Christian of you'? No one looks and says that to me, because I don't openly express a faith. That's why a lot lof people come under fire all the time, there is resentment of abortion but at the same time pro capital punishment. Hmmmmm. LOL!

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janelle

If one doesn't know they are pregnant and miscarry how would all these what ifs take place? Doesn't make sense. Many miscarriages happen with and without the parents knowledge. I think women of child bearing age should take care of themselves. Just smart, but people get hooked even on drugs, and addicted women have had babies and gave them up for adoption. I knew of a baby like that and babysat for him. He was the sweetest thing and the adoptive parents were so happy. Continued later I have to leave. LOL

janelle

I'm back. I went to take my mother's laundry back and take her out to dinner. She lives in a care home and is 96. Some would say her quality of life is over so why not abandon her to the care home and stop visiting? Who decides another's quality of life? It's happening with lots of people being abandoned to care homes. With our society aborting at the beginning of life it's not long before we abandon at the end of life. Will euthansia be long from becoming a law?

It's sad that you felt nothing when you had a child. Maybe you have cut yourself off to feelings.

Being a Christian does not make a person pro-life. Lots of Christian denominations are pro-choice. It all depends.

Capital punishment is also treated with caution within the church. It's something not to take lightly but there is self defense and it is allowed in very strict circumstances.

How can I put your beliefs down---you just said you have none. I don't mind having my beliefs put down, Jesus had His beliefs put down but He did not turn away and become PC. We are called to be like Jesus today and for as long as we follow Him. Jesus said it would not be easy to follow Him. He wasn't talking about when He was alive but always.

Damnifiknw

I've heard that phase directed at me a few times. Why they thought I was a Christian is beyond me.