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i must have missed in here about the movie alphie. what is it about, and why is it watered down? tia
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I don't know, I have no interest in seeing either this version or the original. Sorry.
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Abortion is a huge dirty money making industry. If our courts weren't pro-choice the clinics would be put out of business. Maybe with the conservatives in charge now they will be. This horrifies the abortion business. They will not go down without fighting.
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Doesn't it make more sense to keep them open but have them regulated by health officals and have the pateints screened, make a strict process? The only reason I say this is becuase my fear is that if you do away with clinics altogether na dthe laws, then you're bound to hear about a lot more drastic 'ameture' abortion attempts.
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i must have missed in here about the movie alphie. what is it about, and why is it watered down? tia
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From Suzanne Fields article that Jolie posted-----
We've dropped moral judgment from creative thinking. The remake of the movie "Alfie," a misogynist cad, dramatically illustrates the damages wrought by the sexual revolution. In the 1965 version made in England, Michael Caine plays a nasty philanderer who has a moment of recognition of his own moral monstrousness as "an accomplice to murder" when he looks into a bucket containing a fully-formed fetus dropped there from an abortion he arranged for a woman he impregnated.
In the new version made in Hollywood (by Paramount), Alfie is a disarming, charming bounder whose only insight is that his philandering leaves him childless and a little lonely.
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And we 've dropped moral judgment cause it's not politically correct to judge anyone or anything anymore. The big J word.
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Doesn't it make more sense to keep them open but have them regulated by health officals and have the pateints screened, make a strict process? The only reason I say this is becuase my fear is that if you do away with clinics altogether na dthe laws, then you're bound to hear about a lot more drastic 'ameture' abortion attempts. 
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If abortions were really for the mother's life then Ob/GYNs would do them in the hospital where it's safe and not shuttled off to a clinic on the side streets. Most doctors will not do them---ever ask yourself why?
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No, I've never thought of that. And that is another good idea, we'll get OB/GYN's to do it. Good job!
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If abortions were really for the mother's life then Ob/GYNs would do them in the hospital where it's safe and not shuttled off to a clinic on the side streets. Most doctors will not do them---ever ask yourself why?
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Not entirely correct -- if you are pregnant and under the care of a OB/GYN and have serious problems with the baby/mother's health, they will admit to the hospital and do a D&C which is the same procedure an abortion clinic does. EXCEPT that the patient is kept in the hospital for 24 hours to be monitored for post-op complications. Abortion clinic does the same procedure for the same cost - but sends the patient home on her own reconnaissance ( including minors .... )
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Don't you think something is wrong with this ?
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I'd like to get the stats on how many women have died from complications or had their future fertility stopped with an abortion. Where does one get these stats or are they protected? If we knew it may put the industry out of business.
If there were no abortion clinics you can't tell me women would still get them so readily. They would still get them but not as birth control as they do now. People always use the system for things it wasn't meant to be used for. Clinics get money for such thinking. They don't care.
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I'd like to get the stats on how many women have died from complications or had their future fertility stopped with an abortion. Where does one get these stats or are they protected? If we knew it may put the industry out of business.
If there were no abortion clinics you can't tell me women would still get them so readily. They would still get them but not as birth control as they do now. People always use the system for things it wasn't meant to be used for. Clinics get money for such thinking. They don't care.
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They might not go get them readily in a cliinc, but they might use a coat hanger or a baseball bat to purposly miscarriage.
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Vatican aide says Europe squeezing out God
Top adviser sees 'aggressive secularism' as threat to religion
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Updated: 1:06 p.m. ET Nov. 19, 2004
ROME - Freedom of religion is being threatened in Europe by an aggressive secularism which has made the mention of God “almost indecent,” a top adviser to Pope John Paul said in an interview published on Friday.
“We have gone from a Christian culture to an aggressive secularism with intolerant traits,” Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told la Repubblica daily.
“It has started to become an ideology which imposes itself through politics and does not cede public space to the Catholic and Christian vision,” said the powerful head of the Vatican department in charge of safeguarding and interpreting doctrine.
“A struggle exists and we must defend the freedom of religion against the imposition of an ideology that presents itself as the only voice of reason,” the German cardinal added.
Censure of conservative Catholic EU candidate
The censure last month of Rocco Buttiglione, an Italian conservative Catholic politician who came under a storm of criticism by the European Parliament for his views on gays and women, has raised questions about religion in Europe.
Buttiglione said homosexuality was a sin and marriage existed so that women can have children and the protection of a male mate. He was eventually forced to step down as a candidate for EU commissioner over the row.
“In the political sphere it seems almost indecent to talk about God, almost as though it were an attack on the freedom of those who don’t believe,” Ratzinger said in the interview.
He also defended crosses in the classroom in countries with a Christian tradition like Italy, and warned against legalizing gay marriage.
“If we deem this union more or less equivalent to marriage, we have a society that no longer recognizes the fundamental character of the family,” he said.
Copyright 2004 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.
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