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Old 11-07-2004, 03:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Man commits suicide at ground zero
25-year-old reportedly distraught over President Bush’s reelection

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Updated: 8:43 a.m. ET Nov. 7, 2004



NEW YORK - A 25-year-old from Georgia who was apparently distraught over President Bush’s re-election shot and killed himself at ground zero.

Andrew Veal’s body was found Saturday morning inside the off-limits site, said Steve Coleman, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. A shotgun was found nearby, but no suicide note was found, Coleman said.

Newsday, citing a police source it did not identify, reported Sunday that Veal opposed the war in Iraq and was apparently distraught after the election.

Friends said Veal worked in a computer lab at the University of Georgia and was planning to marry.

“I’m absolutely sure it’s a protest,” Mary Anne Mauney, Veal’s supervisor at the lab, told The Daily News. “I don’t know what made him commit suicide, but where he did it was symbolic.”

Police were investigating how Veal entered the former World Trade Center site, which is protected by high fences and owned by the Port Authority.

He left no note, no one seemed to be aware he was suicidal ... but it is somehow Bush's fault ?? How is choosing Ground Zero a protest of Bush' re-election ?? Why not at the place where he ( preumably ) voted ? Why not in front of a GOP Campain Headquarters ?

What does this have to do with anything -- in particular the issues you originally brought up ?
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Old 11-07-2004, 03:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Although I hate to bring it up...the realities of abortion are Roe v. Wade.
no - that deals with the legalities of abortion.
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Old 11-07-2004, 03:30 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 11-07-2004, 03:41 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Where do you live...?

Jeez YNKYH8R, you must not want the healing to begin.
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Well I thought I'd add the suicide article because NY is now part of the United States of Canada, and it is always sad to see one of Jsesus Lands citizens take his/her life.
No one said it was Bush's fault, but was opposed to the war. And considering the time after the election and the GOP national convention was in NY. It says quite a bit killing yourself where so many people were murdered.

About the Roe v. Wade...When they wrote the law they probably were thinking about partial birth. Just like the founding fathers weren't thinking about fully and semi-automatic weapons when drafting the Bill of Rights.
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Service Industry Laments End of Election
By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS


COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Relieved that the presidential campaign is finally over? Not if you have a business that made an all-American buck on the advertising and crowds on the campaign trail. ``We could have a few more visits,'' said Bill Reynolds, president of Rent-a-John, which supplied portable toilets for several Kerry-Edwards and Bush-Cheney events the past six months. ``If somebody calls for a restroom, we respond to whoever you are.''

Even the candidate-generated gridlock may be missed - at least by Parr Peterson, whose company provided plastic ``pedestrian barriers'' for appearances by President Bush and Sen. John Kerry. ``That's a little bit of whipped cream on top of a pie we work on constantly,'' Peterson said. ``It's nice to have a few things like that.''


Ohio was the center of the election storm, with a combined 46 visits to the state by both candidates, often including multiple stops on a single day.


The frenzy continued right down to the wire as network news teams ringed the Ohio Statehouse in downtown Columbus on the day after the election, waiting to see which candidate would get the state's pivotal 20 electoral votes.


It all made for a good election year overall for Ohio and a banner October, especially in the Akron, Cleveland, Columbus and Youngstown areas. ``Let's just say if the hotel community in Ohio could band together and change the constitution for an election next year, they would,'' said Keith Stephenson, executive vice president of the Ohio Hotel and Lodging Association.


But the real winners were television stations.


Spending by campaigns and independent groups topped $570 million, mainly in about 20 battleground states, according to PQ Media, a Connecticut custom-media research company. That's up from about $160 million four years ago. ``If you owned a TV station in Florida, Pennsylvania or Ohio - especially Florida or Ohio - you made out gangbusters this year,'' said PQ Media vice president Leo Kivijarv.


In Roseland, N.J., Internet campaign button businessman Chris Daniels filled more than 400 orders this campaign season, three times more than a non-election year. After Nov. 2, he said, about the only potential customers contacting him were collectors and people looking for ``Hillary 2008'' buttons.


The Spalding Group in Louisville, Ky., took advantage of Internet marketing and the fierce competitiveness of the campaign to sell everything from Bush-Cheney signs that could be delivered by mail to ``W 2004 Cufflinks.'' The company is a designated vendor for the Bush-Cheney campaign. ``Obviously it would be great to have a business that continued at the pace that this did,'' said Spalding founder and owner Ted Jackson. ``Nothing equals a presidential election - nothing, not the Super Bowl, not the World Series.''


Even marriage counselors kept busy. Some couples fought over politics while others took advantage of an ear they were paying to fill. Four years ago, ``I don't recall even hardly discussing the election with my clients,'' said Columbus marriage counselor Laura Meers. ``This has been unique in my experience having people who want to come in and actually spend a therapy session discussing their political choices.''



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Voter Priorities
Thanks to Guru who is experiencing the election in a hotel room in Hong Kong, who reported this interesting tidbit on voter priorities from CNN International:

Kerry Voters:

Economy/Jobs 33%
Iraq War 28%
Terrorism 3%

Bush Voters:

Moral Values 36%
Terrorism 32%

Pretty much says it all , doesn't it?

Summary: Iraq Top, Taxes Bottom for Voters



FIRST THINGS FIRST - Twenty-seven percent of voters said resolving the situation in Iraq should be President Bush's top priority.

TAXES - A top priority for only 2 percent. Two-to-one, voters said they would rather balance the budget than cut taxes.

WHAT ELSE? - Others chose terrorism (23 percent), the economy (18 percent), health care (14 percent), unemployment (7 percent) and education (7 percent) as top priorities for the president.

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...29.htm&sc=1131


11/07/04 14:33


AP Poll: Voters Most Want Stable Iraq
By WILL LESTER


WASHINGTON (AP) - As President Bush mulls what to do after winning re-election, voters say his first priority should be resolving the situation in Iraq, where the fighting is growing more intense.

They also want Bush to cut the deficit, which ballooned under his watch, rather than pushing for more tax cuts, according to an Associated Press poll taken right after the election.

The voters' concerns stood in contrast to the priorities Bush cited after he defeated Democrat John Kerry. Bush pledged to aggressively pursue major changes in Social Security, tax laws and medical malpractice awards. Terrorism was a chief concern both for Bush and many voters in the poll. ``I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it,'' Bush said a day after becoming the first president in 68 years to win re-election and gain seats in both the House and Senate.

Some 27 percent of respondents named Iraq as the top priority for the president's second term, ahead of issues such as terrorism, the economy and health care. Only 2 percent named taxes as a priority. By more than a 2-1 margin, voters said they preferred that the president balance the budget rather than reduce taxes further.

After a campaign dominated by discussion of Iraq and terrorism, national security issues are at the top of voters' concerns along with the economy. Voters were asked to pick from a list of issues in the AP poll that included Iraq, terrorism, the economy, unemployment, health care, education and taxes.

Many voters on Election Day indicated they were also concerned about ``moral values'' - a broader concern than specific issues such as health care and education.

Republicans ranked terrorism first on the list, followed by Iraq and the economy as priorities for Bush. Democrats were most likely to name Iraq, followed by the economy and health care while independents picked Iraq and then terrorism, according to the poll conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs.

``He has to go 500 percent in Iraq,'' said Ruth Shoemaker, an independent and a retiree from Chula Vista, Calif. ``That's why I voted for the president.''

Seven in 10 voters, including a majority of Democrats, would prefer that U.S. troops to stay in Iraq until the country is stable, instead of having them leave immediately. U.S. troops are preparing for assaults on insurgent strongholds used as havens for those mounting increased attacks against coalition forces.

``There has got to be some kind of resolution in Iraq,'' said Erwin Neighbors, a Republican and a community college teacher from Moberly, Mo. ``We can't fold our tent without accomplishing our goals.''

On the domestic front, Bush says his plans to overhaul the tax laws would be ``revenue-neutral'' and would not cut taxes. Throughout the past year, however, he has urged Congress to make earlier tax cuts permanent.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office now sees $2.3 trillion in accumulated deficits over the next 10 years. That does not include the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Given the choice between balancing the budget and cutting taxes, voters chose balancing the budget by 66 percent to 31 percent. Just over half of Republicans as well as most Democrats and independents felt that way.

When the choice is between balancing the budget and spending more on education, health care and economic development, voters were divided. Slightly more wanted the additional domestic spending, 55 percent, than chose balancing the budget, 44 percent.

During his second term, Bush is likely to have an opening on the Supreme Court; Chief Justice William Rehnquist is seriously ill with cancer. Six in 10 voters say they are comfortable that the president will nominate the right kind of person to serve on the court. Bush has sidestepped questions about who he would name if there were an opening.

But three-fourths of Democrats are uncomfortable with a potential Bush nomination to the high court. ``I'm very worried,'' said Carla Matlin, a Democrat and a marketing manager from the San Francisco area. ``I'm afraid that, rather than mainstream judges, Bush will appoint judges that are way over on the right.''

Asked whether Bush should appoint a justice who will uphold or overturn the Roe v. Wade decision that protected a woman's right to abortions, six in 10 said they want a justice who will uphold the landmark ruling.

Voters seem generally accepting of the election.

A majority, 54 percent, said the election results improved their confidence in the electoral system. Six in 10, including one-third of Democrats, said they felt ``hopeful'' after the election.

But more than eight in 10 Democrats, 84 percent, acknowledged their disappointment about the election results.

The AP-Ipsos poll of 844 registered voters was taken Nov. 3-5 and has a margin of sampling error of 3.5 percentage points.

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...12.htm&sc=1131

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I just wish Bush would stop causing all those hurricanes in Florida, and Mt. St. Helens when is he going to stop that?? After everyone knows if it's bad it's Bush's fault. (but I must say it is rather fulfilling to have voted for SUCH a powerful man!LOL!)
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About the Roe v. Wade...When they wrote the law they probably were thinking about partial birth.
The Bill of Rights nor the Constitution address the issue of abortion. It is an example of legistlation by litigation.


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Just like the founding fathers weren't thinking about fully and semi-automatic weapons when drafting the Bill of Rights.
-- that makes no sense as it is writen ...
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I just wish Bush would stop causing all those hurricanes in Florida, and Mt. St. Helens when is he going to stop that?? After everyone knows if it's bad it's Bush's fault. (but I must say it is rather fulfilling to have voted for SUCH a powerful man!LOL!)
Don't forget the earthquake they had in Utah this morning ....
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Man commits suicide at ground zero
25-year-old reportedly distraught over President Bush’s reelection

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Updated: 8:43 a.m. ET Nov. 7, 2004


NEW YORK - A 25-year-old from Georgia who was apparently distraught over President Bush’s re-election shot and killed himself at ground zero.

Andrew Veal’s body was found Saturday morning inside the off-limits site, said Steve Coleman, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. A shotgun was found nearby, but no suicide note was found, Coleman said.

Newsday, citing a police source it did not identify, reported Sunday that Veal opposed the war in Iraq and was apparently distraught after the election.

Friends said Veal worked in a computer lab at the University of Georgia and was planning to marry.

“I’m absolutely sure it’s a protest,” Mary Anne Mauney, Veal’s supervisor at the lab, told The Daily News. “I don’t know what made him commit suicide, but where he did it was symbolic.”

Police were investigating how Veal entered the former World Trade Center site, which is protected by high fences and owned by the Port Authority.


That's really sad.
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