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What if cancer could be solved through stem cell research? Look at the big picture, cancer, of all kinds, generates millions in revenue. In the course of the last 50 years that people have been researching cancer untold billions have been raised for cancer awareness and study. And they still have not found a cure. Now, I’m not saying stem cell research is the Holy Grail for all diseases, but I am asking for some people to take a leap of faith and imagine, if you can, what would be in the best interest of mankind if diseases and spinal cord injuries could be rectified by stem cell harvesting.
On another note, the union of two people regardless of sexual orientation has come under fire. Why? I would like to find someone who could give me some justifications to the legal discrimination of the certain people that does not have a Bible based answer. I mean does the thought of two people who love each other and want to wed really piss you off as much as the country would have you believe?
It is a shame that some people in America would want to put down other people based on the choices they make, that are really non of our business in the first place.
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11-16-2004, 01:53 PM
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Yearning for the middle
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The culture war is real, but it's not about pitting Republican against Democrat, the God-fearing against godless or even about conservative against liberal. Those people have firm opinions about cultural warfare, but what the war is really about is over who gets to define the common culture that unites us all.
Voters in the great middle joined hands in outrage at half-time at the Super Bowl. Fathers and mothers, sitting in their living rooms watching with their children were treated to the affront that closed the culture gap with the opening of a blouse. Janet Jackson's exposed nipple didn't make anyone faint but it epitomized the contempt the entertainment world holds for the rest of us.
The culture war is about the raunchiness that seeps into everyday life, entertainments that appeal to the lowest common denominator among us. In defining deviancy down, in the memorable phrase of the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, sexual explicitness, nearly always vulgar and trashy, is thrown in the faces of everyone.
Americans have always yearned to be a part of the great middle, looking for moderation in nearly all things. This includes the culture. Large majorities of Americans support civil rights for homosexuals but nevertheless believe that marriage is the union of a man and a woman, and if necessary the law should define it that way.
Large majorities believe that an abortion in the first three months of pregnancy is sad but not murder, yet this same majority believes that partial-birth abortion is barbaric brutality.
Large majorities of Americans want to protect freedom of speech but nevertheless loathe the obscenities that pass for lyrics in popular music and don't want their children exposed to them.
Most Americans eagerly uphold our liberties and want to protect their children above all else, and see how the intellectual and entertainment elites demand freedom without protecting common decency. The popular culture and the politically correct mavens have replaced independent thinking with groupthink that's considerably more repressive than the rigid culture we overthrew five decades ago.
The sexual revolution was aimed at rigid rules of behavior that treated adults like adolescents. We've replaced it with an adolescent mentality that governs adults. When the adults were in charge, they fostered middle-class values of politeness and postponed gratification. With the adolescents in charge, the mature of mind become the rebels against a culture that celebrates man's basest instincts.
Video games, for example, draw on the worst of the hip-hop lyrics: fantasy games about dragons and dungeons have been replaced by portrayals of ritual thuggery, gangster rap and rape, carjackings and brutal beatings.
Stanley Crouch, the iconoclastic black columnist, takes aim at the purveyors of images of black youth on MTV, BET or VH1 that draw on stereotypes as insidious as the stereotype drawn in D.W. Griffith's " Birth of a Nation." Modern blacks are routinely "depicted as bullying, hedonistic buffoons ever ready to bloody somebody." He's specifically concerned with the way these images corrupt young people in the "hood," but such images permeate the popular culture for children of all races, where the thumping energy of violence is celebrated without any appeal to or even recognition of what's right and what's wrong.
In "The Artificial White Man," he writes: "A blue, despairing cry is coming at us from behind the trends of extreme hairdos, piercings, ethnic getups, aggressively bad taste, nose rings, tattoos, and the fashion collages that draw so badly and so freely from the worlds of the primitive, science fiction, and street gang posturing."
We've dropped moral judgment from creative thinking. The remake of the movie "Alfie," a misogynist cad, dramatically illustrates the damages wrought by the sexual revolution. In the 1965 version made in England, Michael Caine plays a nasty philanderer who has a moment of recognition of his own moral monstrousness as "an accomplice to murder" when he looks into a bucket containing a fully-formed fetus dropped there from an abortion he arranged for a woman he impregnated.
In the new version made in Hollywood (by Paramount), Alfie is a disarming, charming bounder whose only insight is that his philandering leaves him childless and a little lonely.
Republicans are widely believed to be winning the culture wars by better articulating a fundamental desire to return to traditional middle-class values. Bill Clinton told an audience at Hamilton College last week that "I think the
current divisions are partly the fault of the people in my party for not engaging the Christian evangelical community in a serious discussion of what it would take to promote a real culture of life."
The ex-president is no dummy and he got it half right. You don't have to be an evangelical Christian to want to change the culture.
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11-16-2004, 02:07 PM
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Now, I’m not saying stem cell research is the Holy Grail for all diseases, but I am asking for some people to take a leap of faith and imagine, if you can, what would be in the best interest of mankind if diseases and spinal cord injuries could be rectified by stem cell harvesting.
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and stem cell research is put to the forefront of modern medicines that might usher in an era the likes of which were only seen once through the discovery on penicillin?
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Guess what -- the majority of cancer research is privately not federally funded. and you're right the amount of money spent on advertising is silly; but I still think there are better avenues of research than stem cells.
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On another note, the union of two people regardless of sexual orientation has come under fire. Why? I would like to find someone who could give me some justifications to the legal discrimination of the certain people that does not have a Bible based answer. I mean does the thought of two people who love each other and want to wed really piss you off as much as the country would have you believe?
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No one is stopping them from loving wom they want - or having a ceremony to acknowledge their commitment. But they claim that can only gain certain rights by having a "marriage recognised by the goverment" -- not true. See a lawyer. Problem solved. But that is not really the issue is it ?
Fifty years ago it was illegal for a "white" to marry a "black". Did people still fall in love, get married, and have children ? YES. and they worked at educating the "masses". The people behind this issue do not want to educate anyone, to take it slowly, to teach - they demand everything right now, including the right to shove their choices down everyone else's throats.
BTW -- I voted against the ban in LA. You can not legislate "morality" on eigther side of the issue.
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11-16-2004, 03:10 PM
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No one is stopping them from loving wom they want - or having a ceremony to acknowledge their commitment. But they claim that can only gain certain rights by having a "marriage recognised by the goverment" -- not true. See a lawyer. Problem solved. But that is not really the issue is it ?
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11-16-2004, 03:13 PM
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I’m still not saying that it is the Holy Grail and yes it should be the forefront of research because of its potential. Stem cell research started out as a possible promise for spinal cord injury, and other possible brain dysfunctions. So when I state that this research is not the Holy Grail I am correct, because I am referring to diseases. And yes I did know that cancer is privately funded and since stem cell research has fallen out of grace with the general population I guess we’ll have to sit and wait for another answer. Sorry Chris.
Actually their commitment cannot be acknowledged…by the state. And as I said before why do we have to have these people go through legal hoops to get what they want? You would you fight just as hard? About educating the masses, what do you wish to be educated about? I find it rather dubious that people needed to educated about interracial couples, I mean we are all human. But my question was never answered, why is it such a big deal outside of religious doctrine? I realize you voted against the ban, and for a good reason no one can legislate morality it starts at home; which is something that I feel needs to be addressed more by this administration, any administration for that matter.
A lot of the concerns brought up in your last article are issues that should be family driven. If you don’t want violent video games, lewd movies, or poor television programming in your home be parent and turn it off. Some people have a hard time saying ‘no’ to their children. It starts as early as one. I’ve seen it and I her about it.
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11-16-2004, 03:51 PM
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I’m still not saying that it is the Holy Grail and yes it should be the forefront of research because of its potential. Stem cell research started out as a possible promise for spinal cord injury, and other possible brain dysfunctions. So when I state that this research is not the Holy Grail I am correct, because I am referring to diseases. And yes I did know that cancer is privately funded and since stem cell research has fallen out of grace with the general population I guess we’ll have to sit and wait for another answer. Sorry Chris.
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So you let Hollywood celebs give you your scientific updates and not medical professionals ? Interesting. These are the same types that think injecting sheep urine will keep them young.
I noticed you sidestepped the discussion of Roe Versus Wade - and I am interested in your opinion since you thing it should remain unrestricted - so I will repost and await your repy.
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And sorry - when the time span of thirty seconds or less can make the determination between "a woman's choice" and the legal definintion of "homicide" then there are real and ethical problems with "Roe versus Wade".
Consider this : when your daughter goes to school, the school nurse can not give her an asprin but can give her birth control pills. They can not pierce her ears, look at her teeth or give her an eye exam with out parental consent - but they can perform a surgical procedure which is invasive and potential lifethreatening without your knowledge ( before or after the fact.)
If an adult not her guardian takes her across state lines for any of the above ( or to get a drink or cigerettes - or just without your permission) they are in violation of Federal Laws -- UNLESS they are taking her to get an abortion. Then they can seek the protection of Federal Law.
In LA we had to fight long and hard just to pass a law requiring health regulations and inspections of abortion clinics. You have to pass inspections to run a vets office, a nail salon, a barber shop, - even a tanning bed BUT not an abortion clinic which preforms surgical procedures on women for cash. ( Insurance doesn't cover abortions - but give the dems time ... )
Don't kid yourself -- abortion is not about Womens' Rights - it is about money. It is a multi million dollar cash only business which resists any form of goverment regulation - with the goverments' and victims enthusiastic assistance.
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11-16-2004, 05:47 PM
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So then Christopher Reeve was just a big phony? He wasn’t working hard to get the research that he would have liked to have been done so that he and others like him could be given a remote possibility for movement? No problem, its thier fight not mine so who cares, right? But homosexuals want to be taken seriously and oh gosh look out!
I never said it should remain unrestricted, that is why I never said anything. If you look back in my previous posts you’ll see that I was willing to compromise the Roe v. Wade issue if my 2nd Amendment clause was allowed to go through. But if you must, I have some questions of my own…
Why would my daughter go to the nurse for an aspirin if I can send her to school with Ibuprofen?
Why would the school nurse need to pierce her ears?
And since when has a nurse had the capability of performing a surgical procedure? Oh I see you switched subjects on me. Okay I get it. The invasive and potential life threatening procedure I believe is at the discretion of the patient involved in rape or incest. If a child of 13 or older is raped by a parent or stranger I believe it is to give them the ability to terminate the pregnancy before any knowledge is leaked to the, could be, rapist, especially if it is the parent.
I was unaware of the LA issue regarding abortion clinics. Barber shops and nail salons don’t perform invasive procedures so that is kind of a weak argument.
In the end it may be about money, so is the whole health care system, so it comes as no surprise. Clinics should be regulated, no doubt, but in all honesty I believe abortions should be solely limited to health of mother, rape and incest cases. Abortion and RU-486 have been perverted into contraceptive measures because of laziness and ignorance, whether on the part of the parent or the child is moot. Ignorance is ignorance.
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11-16-2004, 06:17 PM
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So then Christopher Reeve was just a big phony? He wasn’t working hard to get the research that he would have liked to have been done so that he and others like him could be given a remote possibility for movement? No problem, its thier fight not mine so who cares, right? But homosexuals want to be taken seriously and oh gosh look out!
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No Cris Reeves was desperate. It was the only thing that held out even a slim glimmer of hope.
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I never said it should remain unrestricted, that is why I never said anything. If you look back in my previous posts you’ll see that I was willing to compromise the Roe v. Wade issue if my 2nd Amendment clause was allowed to go through. But if you must, I have some questions of my own…
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Why would my daughter go to the nurse for an aspirin if I can send her to school with Ibuprofen?
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If you do she can be expelled under the Zero Tolerance Policy regarding drugs.
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Why would the school nurse need to pierce her ears?
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You are being silly.
But allow me to clarify.
She can not go to the mall or any establishment and receive a piercing or tatoo of any kind with out parental consent.
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And since when has a nurse had the capability of performing a surgical procedure? Oh I see you switched subjects on me. Okay I get it. The invasive and potential life threatening procedure I believe is at the discretion of the patient involved in rape or incest. If a child of 13 or older is raped by a parent or stranger I believe it is to give them the ability to terminate the pregnancy before any knowledge is leaked to the, could be, rapist, especially if it is the parent.
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That is the arguement of the Pro-Choice people. Seems that they need to alert LE or Social Services to protect the child -- but no, they can't do that because it would invade her privacy. So let's take her cash, her health (poss) and dump her right back in the hellhole she came from.
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I was unaware of the LA issue regarding abortion clinics. Barber shops and nail salons don’t perform invasive procedures so that is kind of a weak argument.
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Nail Salons are required to becasue they can introduce infection under your nails with the tools to do cuticules and such if it is not kept sterile.
Barber shops and hair salons because they must prevent the spread of disease carrying head lice and other such vermin.
WOW - those are Health Issues - but preforming invasive surgical techniques on women on a cash only - out patient basis is not. hmmmmmm
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In the end it may be about money, so is the whole health care system, so it comes as no surprise. Clinics should be regulated, no doubt, but in all honesty I believe abortions should be solely limited to health of mother, rape and incest cases. Abortion and RU-486 have been perverted into contraceptive measures because of laziness and ignorance, whether on the part of the parent or the child is moot. Ignorance is ignorance.
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Something we can actually agree on  . I find most people run for the hills if you bring up the "Money issue". Don't you find it odd that this is a cash - carry industry that resists all regulation with the cooperation if not colussion of the State ?
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11-16-2004, 11:49 PM
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Abortion is a huge dirty money making industry. If our courts weren't pro-choice the clinics would be put out of business. Maybe with the conservatives in charge now they will be. This horrifies the abortion business. They will not go down without fighting.
Guess I won't be seeing the "Alphie" movie with the watered down version. Never thought I would think the movies of the sixties were more truthful but seems like they were. Probably not be able to find a copy of the sixties version. I saw it on TV and it had to be censored but I wonder if a rented one from the sixties would be still be around? Thanks Jolie.
What it all about Alphie. You won't know what it's all about now. It's a new age. A Brave New World.
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11-17-2004, 09:19 AM
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i must have missed in here about the movie alphie. what is it about, and why is it watered down? tia
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Something we can actually agree on  . I find most people run for the hills if you bring up the "Money issue". Don't you find it odd that this is a cash - carry industry that resists all regulation with the cooperation if not colussion of the State ?
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And as I've said before, we obviously need to have the laws changed, unfortunatley it does seem to be high on the political hit list. But, all in due time. For now let's work on our parenting skills.
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