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Old 11-16-2004, 11:01 AM   #188 (permalink)
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Why do you find this to be a drepressing statement? Some people view death as the last natural step in the course of life, just as birth is the first natural step.
that is fine for those people, not for me and billions more. who wouldn't want everlasting life, immortality, be reunited with loved ones? no, I am not happy with rotting in the ground until dust is all that remains and that's all folks. if that is not depressing, i don't know what is
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Christians and Republicans alike are taking steps to ensure what they see is their vision for the future, leaving a lot us democrats in the cold.
And the plan of the Liberal and the Democrats was to take steps to ensure what they see as their vision for the future, leaving a lot us who did not share their views in the cold.

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homosexuals will have civil unions and equal rights regardless of bedroom antics, and stem cell research is put to the forefront of modern medicines
Most of the "rights" that they are demanding can be gained by hiring a qualified lawyer - inheiritance, next of kin standing ect.

And "Stem cell research" is considered by many in the medical field to be "junk science" - which is why their is so little funding for it in the private sector.

And sorry - when the time span of thirty seconds or less can make the determination between "a woman's choice" and the legal definintion of "homicide" then there are real and ethical problems with "Roe versus Wade".

Consider this : when your daughter goes to school, the school nurse can not give her an asprin but can give her birth control pills. They can not pierce her ears, look at her teeth or give her an eye exam with out parental consent - but they can perform a surgical procedure which is invasive and potential lifethreatening without your knowledge ( before or after the fact.)
If an adult not her guardian takes her across state lines for any of the above ( or to get a drink or cigerettes - or just without your permission) they are in violation of Federal Laws -- UNLESS they are taking her to get an abortion. Then they can seek the protection of Federal Law.

In LA we had to fight long and hard just to pass a law requiring health regulations and inspections of abortion clinics. You have to pass inspections to run a vets office, a nail salon, a barber shop, - even a tanning bed BUT not an abortion clinic which preforms surgical procedures on women for cash. ( Insurance doesn't cover abortions - but give the dems time ... )

Don't kid yourself -- abortion is not about Womens' Rights - it is about money. It is a multi million dollar cash only business which resists any form of goverment regulation - with the goverments' and victims enthusiastic assistance.
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Consider this : when your daughter goes to school, the school nurse can not give her an asprin but can give her birth control pills. They can not pierce her ears, look at her teeth or give her an eye exam with out parental consent - but they can perform a surgical procedure which is invasive and potential lifethreatening without your knowledge ( before or after the fact.)
FDA Criticized on Abortion Pill Safety
By DIEDTRA HENDERSON


WASHINGTON (AP) - The father of a teen who died after taking an abortion pill says new safety warnings added by the government aren't enough to protect women. Because a third death now has been linked to RU-486, the Food and Drug Administration should bar sales of the abortion pill, said the grieving father. ``How many more deaths is it going to take before the FDA takes action to remove this drug from the market?'' said Monty Patterson, 51, of Livermore, Calif.

His 18-year-old daughter, Holly, died on Sept. 17, 2003, of septic shock caused by inflammation of the uterus. The teen took RU-486 on Sept. 10 to terminate an unplanned pregnancy, Patterson said. At least two other American women who took the pill in the United States died, although the FDA says it is unclear if their deaths were directly related to the pill's use.


After his daughter's death, Patterson began lobbying for changes to the drug's label to avoid another tragedy. He received a courtesy call Monday from the FDA alerting him to new warnings linking RU-486 to the risk of life-threatening bacterial infections. He didn't learn about the third death until reviewing the agency's Web site.

The FDA approved Mifeprex in 2000 to terminate pregnancy up to 49 days after the beginning of the last menstrual cycle. The drug blocks progesterone, a hormone required to sustain a pregnancy. When followed by another medicine, misoprostol, Mifeprex terminates the pregnancy.

Mifeprex already carries a ``black box'' warning, the agency's most strident alert, to highlight other safety concerns. The FDA said Monday that the drug's black box warning will expand, adding information about such rare but potentially life-threatening complications as serious bacterial infections and bleeding that can follow any abortion, including one induced by Mifeprex.

Since the drug was approved, the agency has received reports of serious bacterial infection, bleeding, ectopic - tubal - pregnancies that have ruptured and death. The fatalities including a death from sepsis, a severe infection, recently reported to FDA and leading to the revised black box.

Serious bacterial infection may happen silently, without typical signs of infection like fever or tenderness, the label warns. The revised label also cautions health care providers that prolonged, heavy bleeding may warrant surgical intervention.

Women who have taken the drug should contact a doctor immediately if they suffer fever, abdominal pain and heavy bleeding, a medication guide aimed at consumers says. And the FDA counsels women to take their medication guide to any health care provider they visit to speed treatment.

In addition, women who take the pill must sign a patient agreement pledging to contact a doctor immediately if they have fever higher than 100.4 degrees that lasts more than four hours or severe abdominal pain. The women are also warned that heavy bleeding that soaks two, thick full-sized sanitary pads per hour for two consecutive hours is cause for contacting a doctor.

According to Danco Laboratories, 360,000 American women have used the pill since it was approved by the FDA. In a letter sent to health care professionals on Nov. 12, the company stood by the safety and efficacy of the drug.

Concerned Women for America blasted the FDA for not pulling RU-486 from the market. ``It is reported that another woman has died after taking the abortion drug RU-486, and the FDA's response is to change the drug's label,'' said Wendy Wright, the group's senior policy director, in a statement. ``This is a dangerous drug that deserves to be pulled off the market immediately.''

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...97.htm&sc=1500

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that is fine for those people, not for me and billions more. who wouldn't want everlasting life, immortality, be reunited with loved ones? no, I am not happy with rotting in the ground until dust is all that remains and that's all folks. if that is not depressing, i don't know what is
I think that everlasting life and imortality would be a very worthwhile pursuit, but at the cost ones life? When I think of everlasting life I view it as being spent here. But that is me.
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FDA Criticized on Abortion Pill Safety
By DIEDTRA HENDERSON


WASHINGTON (AP) - The father of a teen who died after taking an abortion pill says new safety warnings added by the government aren't enough to protect women. Because a third death now has been linked to RU-486, the Food and Drug Administration should bar sales of the abortion pill, said the grieving father. ``How many more deaths is it going to take before the FDA takes action to remove this drug from the market?'' said Monty Patterson, 51, of Livermore, Calif.

His 18-year-old daughter, Holly, died on Sept. 17, 2003, of septic shock caused by inflammation of the uterus. The teen took RU-486 on Sept. 10 to terminate an unplanned pregnancy, Patterson said. At least two other American women who took the pill in the United States died, although the FDA says it is unclear if their deaths were directly related to the pill's use.


After his daughter's death, Patterson began lobbying for changes to the drug's label to avoid another tragedy. He received a courtesy call Monday from the FDA alerting him to new warnings linking RU-486 to the risk of life-threatening bacterial infections. He didn't learn about the third death until reviewing the agency's Web site.

The FDA approved Mifeprex in 2000 to terminate pregnancy up to 49 days after the beginning of the last menstrual cycle. The drug blocks progesterone, a hormone required to sustain a pregnancy. When followed by another medicine, misoprostol, Mifeprex terminates the pregnancy.

Mifeprex already carries a ``black box'' warning, the agency's most strident alert, to highlight other safety concerns. The FDA said Monday that the drug's black box warning will expand, adding information about such rare but potentially life-threatening complications as serious bacterial infections and bleeding that can follow any abortion, including one induced by Mifeprex.

Since the drug was approved, the agency has received reports of serious bacterial infection, bleeding, ectopic - tubal - pregnancies that have ruptured and death. The fatalities including a death from sepsis, a severe infection, recently reported to FDA and leading to the revised black box.

Serious bacterial infection may happen silently, without typical signs of infection like fever or tenderness, the label warns. The revised label also cautions health care providers that prolonged, heavy bleeding may warrant surgical intervention.

Women who have taken the drug should contact a doctor immediately if they suffer fever, abdominal pain and heavy bleeding, a medication guide aimed at consumers says. And the FDA counsels women to take their medication guide to any health care provider they visit to speed treatment.

In addition, women who take the pill must sign a patient agreement pledging to contact a doctor immediately if they have fever higher than 100.4 degrees that lasts more than four hours or severe abdominal pain. The women are also warned that heavy bleeding that soaks two, thick full-sized sanitary pads per hour for two consecutive hours is cause for contacting a doctor.

According to Danco Laboratories, 360,000 American women have used the pill since it was approved by the FDA. In a letter sent to health care professionals on Nov. 12, the company stood by the safety and efficacy of the drug.

Concerned Women for America blasted the FDA for not pulling RU-486 from the market. ``It is reported that another woman has died after taking the abortion drug RU-486, and the FDA's response is to change the drug's label,'' said Wendy Wright, the group's senior policy director, in a statement. ``This is a dangerous drug that deserves to be pulled off the market immediately.''

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...97.htm&sc=1500

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You mentioned school nurses not being able to give an aspirin but being allowed to give birth control, and then you follow it up with an article on RU-486. RU-486 is not birth control; it is the ‘day after pill’ aka an abortion pill and should not be used as a contraceptive in the first place. Birth control is described as a prescription that is used to prevent conception before sex and is also used to regulate the menstrual cycle of some women. The article does not state that the RU-486 was given to her in school by a nurse either.
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You mentioned school nurses not being able to give an aspirin but being allowed to give birth control, and then you follow it up with an article on RU-486. RU-486 is not birth control; it is the ‘day after pill’ aka an abortion pill and should not be used as a contraceptive in the first place. Birth control is described as a prescription that is used to prevent conception before sex and is also used to regulate the menstrual cycle of some women. The article does not state that the RU-486 was given to her in school by a nurse either.
It can be given by a clinic worker or ER - to a minor - without parental knowledge or consent.

The article does ( and the reason I posted it ) detail the complications that can ( and often do ) accompany a surgical or chemical abortion.


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should not doesn't mean does not -- and long term health problems and even death are a high price to pay.


But hey - nice way to avoid everything I said ....
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Most of the "rights" that they are demanding can be gained by hiring a qualified lawyer - inheritance, next of kin standing ect.
Why should people who share an attraction with the opposite sex have to go over such hurdles to gain these rights? If the same was being done to heterosexuals then there would be a real stink. Bottom line, peoples private matters should not come into play regarding legal issues of insurance, health, and marriage/civil unions

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And "Stem cell research" is considered by many in the medical field to be "junk science" - which is why there is so little funding for it in the private sector.
Do you realize how many day to day items we use and medicines we use were once attributed to junk science? If the American public does not want to federally fund stem cell research then that is their choice. But consider this should we really be relying on other countries for our own needs? We look to England for Flu vaccines, Canada for prescription drugs, and France spearheaded AIDS research. What is to come next possible cures to some of life’s most debilitating ailments to be founded in France and the rest of Europe while we sit on the side lines and smack out palms to our foreheads because religious fundamentalists want an entirely different agenda?
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It can be given by a clinic worker or ER - to a minor - without parental knowledge or consent.....
Why would someone going to the ER take RU-486 in the first place? After a rape? Then parents should make their kids knowledgeable about such drugs. It is society's ineptitude to research things and make other people aware of them that causes a lot of problems. People need to be educated about abstinence and abortion and birth control and RU-486, parents need to be parents, wether they want to be or not.

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The article does ( and the reason I posted it ) detail the complications that can ( and often do ) accompany a surgical or chemical abortion......
It was very informative thank you.


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But hey - nice way to avoid everything I said ....
Wait a minute...some people use a knife in place of a screw driver, if someone is using RU-486 not the way that it was intended then that is that persons fault. Sorry to be so blunt but there are risks to everything in life and taking RU-486, or any other pill for that matter is a gamble. Heck less than a gram of coke is enough to kill you, but people still risk it.

A nice way to avoid everything you said? What did you say? I'll admit it the truth sucks. If parents would just be parents we wouldn't have half of the problems we do, but we have to have PSAs on TV to educte paople about how to listen to and talk to and educate our children. That is pretty sad, when I watch commercails and see a PSA about things that should be commmon sense, but that is life one that is lead by people in denial and ignorance.
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Ding - ding - ding !


EXACTLY!



Why don't we put it to a vote ?

Oh - because you might not get the result you want ?

The "American Public" ( at least those in twelve states ) did so in the issue of same sex marriages -- that didn't work out the way they wanted so now it is time to "Legislate by Litigation" to circumvent that vote.


Canadian RX companies initiate almost no R&D, they wait for the patents to play out and then manufacture generic versions that AMERICAN companies have spent money developing. Flu vacines ? -- see the thread devoted to that topic. We lead the world in surgical procedures, neonatal care, medical technologies of almost any kind ( why do you think critically ill children wolrdwide are brought HERE for treatment and surgeries ? )

WHY are these companies NOT spending money on stem cell research -- they see no future ( and in their terms - no profits ) in it. Instead they squander their monies in cancer research, heart disease, and ED. Go Figure.
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Out of my whole enitre post you pick that one line?

Yes America did vote in many states about same sex marriages? Does that make it right? What if the shoe was on the other foot?

America doesn't want stell cell research, that's fine. I personally don't like being the laughing stock of the planet but that's okay.

And we all know where the prescrpition companies spend tons of money...advertiseing. Count how many prescription drug comercials you see tonight. Then ask yourself if you could have asked your doctor for the same information.
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Out of my whole enitre post you pick that one line?
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