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YNKYH8R · 11-10-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/da...eech.guest.html

Since this thread has turned into every subject under the sun, I'm gonna put Rush here. Listen if you dare. He will explain why we are called Jesusland, though he won't use that terminology and why Bush won.

I wouldn't listen to Rush Limbaugh if it would save my life.
I wouldn't pee on him to put him out if he was on fire.
He is so far to the right, he drives in the breakdown lane.
Heck I don't even listen to people who are veeeeeeeeeeeeery liberal.
I don't hug a trees, and I don't collect guns.

Jolie Rouge · 11-10-2004, 05:08 PM

You brought up stem cell reserch in #2 post in this thread ...

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

Rove Was Right .... Witness the limitations on federal funding for stem cell research, the passage of the partial birth abortion ban ....

and your response to the article youo posted :

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

[i]What troubled me yesterday was my feeling that this election was tipped because of an outpouring of support for George Bush by people who don't just favor different policies than I do - they favor a whole different kind of America. We don't just disagree on what America should be doing; we disagree on what America is.

Is it a country that does not intrude into people's sexual preferences and the marriage unions they want to make? Is it a country that allows a woman to have control over her body? Is it a country where the line between church and state bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers should be inviolate? Is it a country where religion doesn't trump science? And, most important, is it a country whose president mobilizes its deep moral energies to unite us - instead of dividing us from one another and from the world?

Is it my "fault" that you have changed the subject ?

So far this thread covers prayer in schools, the Pledge, Roe VS Wade, partial birth abortion, stem cell research, seperation of church and state and the second amendment/gun control.

YNKYH8R · 11-10-2004, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

You brought up stem cell reserch in #2 post in this thread ...

and your response to the article youo posted :

Is it my "fault" that you have changed the subject ?

So far this thread covers prayer in schools, the Pledge, Roe VS Wade, partial birth abortion, stem cell research, seperation of church and state and the second amendment/gun control.

OMG! The article is not about stem cell research only, it is about how Bush won the election by securing the moral majority. And the italicized part is not my response it is a direct quote from Thomas Friedman of the New York Times. Man oh man.

You thought that I wrote what was italicized in post #2? LMAO!!!

Jolie Rouge · 11-10-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

OMG! The article is not about stem cell research only, it is about how Bush won the election by securing the moral majority. And the italicized part is not my response it is a direct quote from Thomas Friedman of the New York Times. Man oh man.

You thought that I wrote what was italicized in post #2? LMAO!!!

Hence we see the importance of properly crediting others writings.

I apoligize for mistaking the eloquence of Thomas Friedman of the New York Times for yours.

I never said it was about stem cell research only -- but it seems to be covering a broad array of topics whatever your intent may have been.

Glad to be such a source of amusement for you

hopefully have provided some food for thought as well....

YNKYH8R · 11-10-2004, 05:59 PM

No problem a simple error. I copied it directly from the article I was reading.
As soon as I have time I'll try to jog down more articles pertaining to the moral majority, or any decision made by the curent administration concerning anything moral.

adorkablex · 11-10-2004, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

And the majority of kids will exercise not to do something if given a choice. Maybe that is why the last generation is called the drop out generation.

Generation Drop Out.

Good generation yours must be then. To show such GREAT parenting skills. I swear I'm so sick of generation botox cutting my generation down.

Children when exposed to positive elements respond accordingly. Shoving religous crap down someones throat who doesn't want to hear it, will NOT help anything.

I don't like the way some people parent but you don't go up to someone in Wal-Mart with a child who's misbehaving and spank them do you? No, nevermind.. don't answer that.

A moment of silence.. sure.
Having a prayer meeting for those who want it (excluding those who don't) before/after school... sure.

MAKING a child be involved with prayer or any sort of religous junk.. heck no.

As I've said before, Teachers are there to educate a child. Befriend them and guide them into becoming smart young adults. Not to be their preacher.

And I'll take a 3 day ban if the botox thing if need be. But I don't take it back.

krisharry · 11-10-2004, 07:44 PM

wow, interesting thread, ok, just wanted to add my 2 cents. The school that my son goes to-public, elementary does teach values. It does this through character education where children learn how to be good citizens-obeying rules/laws, respect for others and their property, helping others in need.
Now we all know many laws are based on religion- many of which share core values-no killing, stealing, etc. but the school does not bring any discussion of religion into it, No mention of the Bible or any other religious text for that matter. so it is possible for schools to do this. I do agree w/the other poster that this is something for parents to teach at home, but the schools here do a good job as well. Prayer and religious education is something that should be done at home or at church or a religious school but public schools are for all our children- all religions included or those who practice no religion at all.

JMHO

Peace.

janelle · 11-11-2004, 12:42 AM

No school could eliminate religion if they wanted to. They couldn't teach the classics or great music. My SS was in drama and choir. The music instructor agreed lots of the music she had the kids sing were written and sung for church services. They're in Latin so most could not understand they were singing Glory to God in the highest and peace on earth. LOL

Schools in America were founded by the religious. They were the ones who taught in most communities. Church schools. The kids came from miles around to get an education so if it wasn't for the religious we would have been an illiterate culture.

Some of you have shown how you hate religion, calling it crap and showing distain for it, not wanting it shoved down your children's throat. But you then turn around and agree the silent majority of religious voted Bush in. Then I guess you need to face it. We are a country of Christians who go to church making most of us religious. I think you are right. The religious got tired of having their rights slowly eroded away and this year they came out in droves.

YNKYH8R · 11-11-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by janelle

No school could eliminate religion if they wanted to. They couldn't teach the classics or great music. My SS was in drama and choir. The music instructor agreed lots of the music she had the kids sing were written and sung for church services. They're in Latin so most could not understand they were singing Glory to God in the highest and peace on earth. LOL

This is moot considering at Christmas pageants holiday songs are sung and are generally Christian oriented

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Originally Posted by janelle

Schools in America were founded by the religious. They were the ones who taught in most communities. Church schools. The kids came from miles around to get an education so if it wasn't for the religious we would have been an illiterate culture.

This comment is a little extreme. That is like saying the only educated people were followers of some higher power or another. Guess what, that is true. Most people are followers of some higher power. The amounts of people who are not followers of some higher power are miniscule. If your comment is directed toward the idea that only ‘Christians’ were educated a long time ago then that statement is a lie, because the Egyptians were extremely well educated and were not followers of Christ. You have to be careful what you label yourself as Christian or religious.

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Originally Posted by janelle

Some of you have shown how you hate religion, calling it crap and showing distain for it, not wanting it shoved down your children's throat. But you then turn around and agree the silent majority of religious voted Bush in. Then I guess you need to face it. We are a country of Christians who go to church making most of us religious. I think you are right. The religious got tired of having their rights slowly eroded away and this year they came out in droves.

Yes, organized religion is frowned upon. Remember that Christianity is God’s attempt to reach man. Religion is man’s attempt to reach God. So you can’t have it both ways. And as we’ve stated, at least some of us, prayer in school or a moment of silence probably would not be too harshly criticized. Since these acts can be done anywhere, on a bus, in the toilet, before homeroom, etc. Actually teaching a class on religion or the religions of the world would be acceptable in my eyes also. The Old Testament is rich with history of the period. Actually teaching students the belief structure to the point of having religious ceremonies, or trying to sway the beliefs of others would not be tolerated. If my daughter was in high school I would allow her the choice of participating in prayer in school. Younger children who are more impressionable I would be leery on. Because of the nature of some religions I would be concerned for the mental well being of a child so young. Would I rather have my child learn math and English, or worry if she’s going to hell all day? I don’t want my child having to live with that kind of pressure at such young age. The choices my child makes in her teenage years regarding her beliefs are hers to decide. If she decides to be Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, or Atheist that will be her choice, I am not going to push her one way or the other.
In the long run it will end up causing problems for some people. The entire school system will not collapse, but there will be an angry few, and of course they will pull their kids from school. It is just going to cause more problems than we need. And all over 54 million peoples beliefs.

YNKYH8R · 11-11-2004, 01:32 PM

Some of us — hopefully most of us — are trying to understand and appreciate the effect our recent election will have on you, the citizens of the rest of the world. As our so-called leaders redouble their efforts to screw you over, please remember that some of us — hopefully most of us — are truly, truly sorry. And we'll say we're sorry, even on the behalf of the ones who aren't.

YNKYH8R · 11-11-2004, 01:41 PM

I love Topato!!!!!