YankeeMary

I was thinking its is ironic that the thing that put her in this condition is the same thing that is keeping her alive. FOOD!!! Its funny how we are all so quick to judge either side of this. I can not imagine calling a man I have never met (never will meet) selfish and unloving, I have no idea who heisor what kind of a person he is and the same goes for her parents. I can not say with any certainty what I would do or not do in this situation. I know that a pet is not human but so many of us think of them as family but when their quality of life is not good we run to the vet to have them put out of their misery. Either way whether human or animal, they are creations of God. Therehave been people say its in Gods hands etc...well thats not completely true. God did not put those tubes in her. She would be dead if it weren't for the obvious measures in keeping her alive.
The bottom line is that SHE did this to herself, where were her parents and DH before she was hospitalized? Was she in therapy for her eating disorder? Were they all as involved then as they are now? I know that she was sick to have an eating disorder but I am real courious why she got this sick to start with? I can honestly say I am glad and thankful that I am not in the position of the parents or the DH.

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dangerousfem

Actually I watched her brother on the new last nite.. he said there was NO history of an eating disorder, and that they have had a few forensic dr.s testify that it appeared someone had attempted to strangle her. And that he had emt training, but never preformed any life saving manouver on her...family and friends also stated that right before her collapse she had been talking about a divorce... seems kind of funny to me... also... he has NEVER allowed any type of reabilatation to be tried on her.... now I understand you saying your not sure what you would do... as far as letting her live.. but if this was your husband he collapsed... wouldn't you try everything available BEFORE you gave up hope?? If you read the dr's progress on her, and watch the videos on her... it is very clear she in not in a vegatative state.

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ntgsmommy

Ya know, I read that somewhere as well...isn't it funny how this information is not being made very public (until her brother said it last night)....

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Jolie Rouge

Schiavo Legal Fight Could Be Nearing End
By MITCH STACY

CLEARWATER, Fla. (AP) - It's been 15 years since Terri Schiavo's heart stopped beating for several minutes, causing severe brain damage that put her into what doctors call a persistent vegetative state. For almost seven of those years, her husband Michael has been fighting to stop her feedings, arguing that she didn't want to be kept alive artificially.

Terri Schiavo is now 41 and still in a hospice after myriad twists and turns in a dramatic legal and ideological battle that has pitted her parents against their son-in-law.

Whether there's an end in sight is anybody's guess.

``It seems like the same news over and over,'' acknowledged Pat Anderson, a former lawyer for Terri Schiavo's parents. ``It must be quite incomprehensible (to the public) that she is still alive.''


There have been countless lawsuits, court hearings, appeals, news conferences and tears shed by her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who promise to keep fighting. The case file at the Pinellas County Courthouse now fills 45 volumes. ``I don't regret a second of what we've been through,'' said Terri's brother, Bobby Schindler, 40. ``I'll make up for it when we save my sister.''

Twice, Terri Schiavo's feeding tube was removed by court order, and both times it was restored. The last time, in 2003, Gov. Jeb Bush pushed through a state law - later ruled unconstitutional - that authorized him to resume the feedings six days after they were stopped.

On Friday, state Circuit Judge George Greer set a new date for removal of the feeding tube for March 18, prompting the Schindlers' attorney to promise yet another flurry of legal filings.

Greer's ruling came on the 15th anniversary of Terri Schiavo's collapse on Feb. 25, 1990, when a chemical imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder stopped her heart, cutting off oxygen to her brain for five minutes.

Michael Schiavo said his wife never wanted to be kept alive artificially, but she left no written directive. He says he's fulfilling a promise he made to her, and he has spent most of a $700,000 medical malpractice award given to his wife for her care to pay his attorney.


Her parents, with financial backing from the California-based Life Legal Defense Foundation, have vowed to keep litigating the case to keep Terri alive. They dismiss arguments that she is in vegetative state, believing she could get better with therapy, that she laughs, responds to them and tries to talk.

Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, is critical of the courts for allowing the Schindlers to keep delaying her death and of Bush and lawmakers for trying to get involved. ``If Terri Schiavo could for one hour get up and see what's going on, I think she would be absolutely horrified that she has been maintained in this condition against her will for so long, and that she has become the political pawn that she has,'' Felos said.

He said the Schindlers can keep delaying the case indefinitely unless the court puts an end to it. ``No judge wants to be the last judge whose name is on the order resulting in a patient's death,'' Felos said. ``Sooner or later, some court is going to have to summon the courage and fortitude to say no more delays.''

However, Greer seems inclined to do that, saying in Friday's ruling he ``is no longer comfortable'' ordering stays to entertain more new motions and allowing the Schindlers time to keep filing appeals.

Schindler attorney David Gibbs III said the legal system is operating as it should, ordering appropriate delays to consider each new issue. ``I'm thrilled we're not rushing like a barbaric culture to starve people to death,'' Gibbs said.

Terri Schiavo already has lived in her brain-damaged state longer than two other young women whose high-profile cases brought right-to-die issues to the forefront of public attention.

Karen Quinlan lived for more than a decade in a vegetative state - brought on by alcohol and drugs in 1975 when she was 21 - until New Jersey courts finally let her parents take her off a respirator. Nancy Cruzan, who was 25 when a 1983 car crash placed her in a vegetative state, lived nearly eight years before the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that her parents could withdraw her feeding tube.



Jay Wolfson, a University of South Florida medical professor who had briefly served as Terri Schiavo's court-appointed advocate in 2003, said bringing the case to a close is going to be challenging for the court because of all the legal, religious and political issues that have become attached to it. ``This is hot stuff,'' Wolfson said. ``The implications of what happens in this case have already affected people. I think they are getting living wills and asking questions about death and dying. We just don't like thinking about (death), let alone talking about it.''



02/26/05 14:02

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...06.htm&sc=1110

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Jolie Rouge

In speaking about this case with an attorney friend he made a point that I had not considered before... IF Michael Schiavo divorced Terri, he would not only lose controll of the estate, but would likely have to pay spousal support, since Terri is unable to work to maintain herself. Further, if her parents were to gain control of the accounts establish in Terri's name which Michael Schiavo has used to his own ends, then the parent would have grounds to file lawsuits against Michael for misuse of funds or even embezzlements.




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If I held someone isolated, deprived of medical attention, and attempted ( repeatedly ) to withhold food and water from them -- I would be held on a variety of charges, torture, attempted murder, abuse, ect. ...

Funny how Michael Schiavo gets away with it....

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YankeeMary

Yes it if were my husband I would try to do everything possible for him, but he and I have talked about this and he stated and I agree the same treatment for me, if something like this happened to one of us and we were in the "state" that this woman is in, then by all means put an end to it. I know not everyone will agree but its what WE think is right for US. I can see where her parents would want her alive but IMO she isn't living a very happy life, compared to what she lived.
As far as him abusing her, if I were her family and wanted her to live I would say just about anything to keep her alive. I just pray that he wasn't abusing her and they are just saying it to keep her alive, which is completely understandable.
I hadn't heard that she did NOT have an eating disorder...thanks for the update.

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schsa

whoa. Her husband had tried rehab and several other types of therapy. And what does her brother know. It doesn't take alot to come up with a low potassium level if you are using diarhetics and vomiting to control your weight. Bulimics are not throwing up in front of friend and family. They hide what they are doing.

If it had appeared that her husband had strangled her, there would not have been a law suit that ended with a malpractice award. Somewhere along the line someone would have brought that up giving that level of doubt.

And you ask why she wasn't in therapy? What about women who kill their children? Why aren't they in therapy? Because their families don't see that there is anything wrong. Until something finally happens.

I feel sorry for everyone involved. This has gone on far too long.

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Jolie Rouge

Get in writing and notarized.

The unfortunate thing is that no one else ever heard Terri express her wishes in this and the only person whose word we have to go by in the one who would benefit from her death.

My entire family knows my feelings on thie issue, I have a card in my wallet, and a notarized statement with an attorney.

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3/10/2005

Judge nixes Schiavo intervention by agency

TAMPA (AP) — A judge ruled Thursday that Florida's social services agency cannot intervene to delay the removal of the feeding tube keeping brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive.

The Department of Children and Families had asked for a 60-day delay in the removal of the feeding tube, now scheduled March 18. The agency said it wanted time to investigate allegations of abuse and neglect by the woman's husband, Michael Schiavo.

But Circuit Judge George W. Greer ruled the agency's attempt to get involved at this late stage "appears to be brought for the purpose of circumventing the court's final judgment ... in violation of the separation of powers doctrine."

Michael Schiavo's attorney had criticized the last-minute attempt by the agency to get involved, saying that it was engineered by Gov. Jeb Bush and others who support Terri Schiavo's parents in their bid to keep their daughter alive.

Terri Schiavo is in what some doctors say is a persistent vegetative state. She suffered brain damage after her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance that was believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder.

Michael Schiavo has gotten a court order to remove the feeding tube, contending his wife told him she would not want to be kept alive artificially. Her parents dispute that.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...M_Exclude=Juno

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Calif. man offers $1 million to keep Schiavo alive

LOS ANGELES, March 10 (Reuters) - A California businessman on Thursday offered $1 million to the husband of a brain-damaged woman at the center of a right-to-die tussle if he hands over guardianship to her parents, who want to keep her alive.

Robert Herring Sr. made his offer on the day that another Florida court bid failed to stop the March 18 removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. Schiavo, 41, was severely brain-damaged 15 years ago after a heart attack that cut off the oxygen to her brain and left her unable to swallow or communicate.

Schiavo's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, believe their daughter might improve with treatment and have been fighting through the courts for years to stop Schiavo's husband and legal guardian, Michael Schiavo, from removing the tube that is keeping her alive.

"I ... have made an offer to Terri's husband in the amount of $1 million to relinquish his custodial rights to Terri's parents in an effort to keep the hope for Terri alive," Herring told a Los Angeles news conference. "After viewing video of Terri on television, I came to the belief that there was hope for her ... I have seen miraculous recoveries occur through the use of stem cells in patients suffering a variety of conditions," Herring said.

Herring, from San Diego, was the founder of Herco Technology Corp., a circuit-board maker he sold in 2000. He said he had been following the Schiavo case through the media for about two years and was not affiliated with any cause or organization.

He said his offer would remain open until March 14 -- four days before a court-agreed date of March 18 for Terri Schiavo's feeding tube to be removed. She is expected to die within two weeks.

Michael Schiavo has said his wife would not want to remain alive in her condition, which some doctors have diagnosed as a persistent vegetative state.

Her parents have won numerous stays in court over the past five years but no court has ruled in their favor. They say their daughter responds to them and believe that with additional therapy she could be taught to swallow.


03/10/05 19:43

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janelle

No, don't give the money to her husband give it to her parents so they can use it to fight the legal system and also get their daughter therapy. He will just spend it on himself like he did before. I thought there was a law that made people who are rewarded a huge amount of money for medical malpractice to use it on the person it hurt. Well if there isn't there should be.