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I don't think it is a case of she is not "allowed" to see him; I just didn't get that impression from the article I read. It may be a number of things : how far is the hospital from her home; does she have other children; is she tied up with the legalities ( lawyers & courthouse appearances ) to "save" him. She may have had to go back to work or face losing her insurance covering his medical care....

When Michael was in the hospital, we were there two and three times a day - some of the other babies rarely had visitors. Did it mean I was a better parent or they were "bad parents" ?? I had the oppurtunity of living within 20 minutes of one of the South's foremost Neuonatal Units; I had enough family and friends who were willing to babysit my other children and/or drive me to that hospital. Sometimes Hubby would take me to the hospital and he would sit downstairs with our other children and read or play games. We were not "better parents" - just luckier.

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I had thought about that. I don't think that she is in any way a bad parent. I am just wondering if the hospital is keeping her away or if she can't get to whatever hospital he is in. Somehow she needs to be supported. Regardless of the outcome, she needs to be able to see her son. I think that is essential for any baby to survive. That connection with the mother has to be there.

I hope that she can see him.

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Emergency Stay Issued in Right-To-Die Case
By VICKIE CHACHERE

DUNEDIN, Fla. (AP) - The case of a severely brain-damaged woman remained locked in a legal stalemate Tuesday after an appeals court cleared the way for her husband to remove her feeding tube only to see a judge promptly block the removal for at least another day.

The 2nd District Court of Appeal offered no specific instructions in a one-page mandate issued in the case of Terri Schiavo, who was left brain damaged 15 years ago. That meant her husband, Michael Schiavo, could order his wife's tube be removed.

But Pinellas Circuit Court Judge George Greer later issued an emergency stay about an hour later blocking removal of the feeding tube until 5 p.m. EST Wednesday. Greer, who has been overseeing the long-standing dispute, scheduled a hearing on the case for Wednesday. ``We're encouraged that we'll be able to get in front of Judge Greer tomorrow,'' Bobby Schindler, Terri's younger brother, said Tuesday outside her Pinellas Park hospice.


Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had sought the stay in hopes of keeping their daughter alive long enough for them to file additional legal pleadings. They are trying to oust their son-in-law as her guardian and seeking medical tests which might back their assertion that their daughter has some mental capabilities.

It would likely take several days for Terri Schiavo to die if the tube is pulled.

The appeals court's mandate allowed Michael Schiavo to act under previous court rulings in the years-long, highly emotional legal battle. The court has consistently upheld lower court rulings that Terri Schiavo had expressed wishes not to be kept alive artificially, although she left no written directive.


In October 2003, she went without food or water for six days before Gov. Jeb Bush pushed through a new law letting him order the tube be reinserted. The Florida Supreme Court later struck down his action as unconstitutional. The courts also sided with Michael Schiavo when he had the tube removed for two days in 2001.

George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney, did not have any immediate reaction.

Terri Schiavo suffered severe brain damage on Feb. 25, 1990, when a chemical imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder caused her heart to stop beating and cut off oxygen to her brain. While she breathes on her own, she relies on the feeding tube to survive. Doctors have ruled she is in a persistent vegetative state with no hope for recovery.

Still, her parents, who visit her nearly every day, report their daughter laughed, cried, smiled and responded to their voices. Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her family has been televised nationally. But the court-appointed doctor has said the noises and facial expressions are reflexes.

The Schindlers have also said they will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to consider their claim that Terri Schiavo should be spared based on statements by Pope John Paul II that people in vegetative states have a right to nutrition and hydration. They say Terri, as a practicing Roman Catholic, would have obeyed the pope and would not choose to have her tube removed.

Both sides accused each other of being motivated by greed over a $1 million medical malpractice award from doctors who failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance. The Schindlers argue Michael Schiavo should divorce their daughter.


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New ruling keeps Schiavo feeding tube in place
Tuesday, February 22, 2005

DUNEDIN, Florida (AP) -- The case of a severely brain-damaged woman remained locked in a legal stalemate Tuesday after an appeals court cleared the way for her husband to remove her feeding tube only to see a judge promptly block the removal for at least another day.

The 2nd District Court of Appeal offered no specific instructions in a one-page mandate issued in the case of Terri Schiavo, who was left brain damaged 15 years ago. That meant her husband, Michael Schiavo, could order his wife's tube be removed.

But Pinellas Circuit Court Judge George Greer later issued an emergency stay about an hour later blocking removal of the feeding tube until 5 p.m. EST Wednesday. Greer, who has been overseeing the long-standing dispute, scheduled a hearing on the case for Wednesday.

"We're encouraged that we'll be able to get in front of Judge Greer tomorrow," Bobby Schindler, Terri's younger brother, said Tuesday outside her Pinellas Park hospice.

Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had sought the stay in hopes of keeping their daughter alive long enough for them to file additional legal pleadings. They are trying to oust their son-in-law as her guardian and seeking medical tests which might back their assertion that their daughter has some mental capabilities.

It would likely take several days for Terri Schiavo to die if the tube is pulled.

The appeals court's mandate allowed Michael Schiavo to act under previous court rulings in the years-long, highly emotional legal battle.

The court has consistently upheld lower court rulings that Terri Schiavo had expressed wishes not to be kept alive artificially, although she left no written directive.

In October 2003, she went without food or water for six days before Gov. Jeb Bush pushed through a new law letting him order the tube be reinserted. The Florida Supreme Court later struck down his action as unconstitutional.

The courts also sided with Michael Schiavo when he had the tube removed for two days in 2001.

George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney, did not have any immediate reaction.

Terri Schiavo suffered severe brain damage on Feb. 25, 1990, when a chemical imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder caused her heart to stop beating and cut off oxygen to her brain.

While she breathes on her own, she relies on the feeding tube to survive. Doctors have ruled she is in a persistent vegetative state with no hope for recovery.

Still, her parents, who visit her nearly every day, report their daughter laughed, cried, smiled and responded to their voices. Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her family has been televised nationally. But the court-appointed doctor has said the noises and facial expressions are reflexes.

The Schindlers have also said they will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to consider their claim that Terri Schiavo should be spared based on statements by Pope John Paul II that people in vegetative states have a right to nutrition and hydration. They say Terri, as a practicing Roman Catholic, would have obeyed the pope and would not choose to have her tube removed.

Both sides accused each other of being motivated by greed over a $1 million medical malpractice award from doctors who failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance. The Schindlers argue Michael Schiavo should divorce their daughter.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/22/sc....ap/index.html

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Judge extends stay on Schiavo case

CLEARWATER, Fla. (AP) — A judge has extended an emergency stay that will keep Terri Schiavo's feeding tube in place until 5 p.m. EST Friday.

Two courts ruling within an hour of each other handed victories to either side yesterday in the bitterly contested fight over the fate the brain-damaged woman, paving the way for more legal wrangling.

The 2nd District Court of Appeals allowed a stay to expire Tuesday that had blocked Schiavo's husband from removing her feeding tube. But before the tube could be removed, Pinellas Circuit Court Judge George Greer issued an emergency stay until 5 p.m. ET Wednesday.

On Wednesday, Greer is to heard arguments from Schiavo's parents that their son-in-law, Michael, is not fit to be his wife's guardian.

George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney, said, "as soon as he's legally authorized, he will discontinue artificial life support." It would likely take several days for Terri Schiavo to die if the tube is removed.

Doctors have ruled that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state with no hope for recovery, and would live no more than a week or two without getting food and water through the tube inserted into her abdomen.

Her parents have countered with other medical opinions that the 41-year-old woman who appears to cry, laugh and react to her family might improve with rehabilitation.

Terri Schiavo has twice had her tube removed only to have it reinserted in dramatic, last-minute developments.

In October 2003, she went without food or water for six days before Gov. Bush pushed through a new law letting him order the tube be reinserted. The Florida Supreme Court later struck down his action as unconstitutional.

Terri Schiavo's parents say she would not want to die and have offered to take care of her if Michael Schiavo would divorce her.

Michael Schiavo says his wife had expressed wishes not to be kept alive artificially, although she left no written directive. He said he is determined to carry on in the case out of love for his wife. "This case is about Terri Schiavo's wishes," Felos said. "It's about her wishes not to be forced-fed, her wishes not to be kept alive artificially."



http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...M_Exclude=Juno


TIMELINE

1990 Feb. 25: Terri Schiavo collapses in her home. Doctors believe a potassium imbalance caused her heart to temporarily stop, cutting off oxygen to her brain.

1992 November: Schiavo's husband, Michael, wins a malpractice suit that accused doctors of misdiagnosing her. The jury awards more than $700,000 for her care; Michael receives an additional $300,000.

1993 July 29: Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, file a petition to have Michael removed as Terri's guardian. The case is later dismissed.

1998 May: Michael Schiavo files a petition to remove Terri's feeding tube.

2000 Feb. 11: Circuit Court Judge George Greer rules the tube can be removed.

2001 April 23-24: The U.S. Supreme Court refuses to intervene; the feeding tube is removed.

2001 April 26: Circuit Court Judge Frank Quesada orders the tube reinserted.

2002 Feb. 13: Michael Schiavo again petitions to remove the feeding tube.

2002 Nov. 22: Greer orders the tube removed Jan. 3, 2003.

2002 Dec. 13: Greer stays his order until an appeals court reviews the case.

2003 June 6: The 2nd District Court of Appeal upholds Greer's ruling.

2003 Oct. 15: Doctors remove the feeding tube.

2003 Oct. 20-21: The Florida Senate and House pass a bill allowing Gov. Jeb Bush to intervene. He signs "Terri's Law," then issues an order to reinsert the tube.

2004 Sept. 23: The Florida Supreme Court strikes down "Terri's Law" as unconstitutional.

2005 Jan. 24: The U.S. Supreme Court refuses to review the case.

2005 Feb. 22: The 2nd District Court of Appeal clears the way to remove the feeding tube; Greer issues an emergency stay until a hearing Feb. 23.

Source: Associated Press

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CatrinaF25

i dont get it.. what this man is trying to do is legally kill his wife. why is this ok! this makes me so darn mad!

ntgsmommy

What I can't understand is why they want to starve her to death and dehydrate her...don't the courts realize how many people in this world use feeding tubes and hydration tubes to eat and drink?? It's just wrong....maybe the parent should bring Terri with them to court..maybe then they will see she's not in a vegation (I hate this term by the way) state. I read in an atricle that one of the certified nursing aides was givng her jello by mouth and the aide said that Terri enjoyed that, but she had to stop because she was afraid of being caught by her "husband". Maybe her mother and father could try to feed her by mouth a pureed diet.....it's worth a shot if they pull her tubes....although I know they will never see this...I don't know what they are going to do, it's my opinion that to do this is murder and legally and humanely wrong!!

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Jolie Rouge

Schiavo Case Highlights Eating Disorders
By VICKIE CHACHERE



TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - Before she was the severely brain-damaged patient at the center of a legal dispute over whether she should live or die, Terri Schiavo was a young woman who desperately wanted to be thin.

At 26, she was strikingly beautiful with delicate features. But she had spent her childhood and high school years as a chubby and shy girl, standing just 5-foot-3 and weighing 200 pounds at her heaviest.

When she finally lost 65 pounds in her late teens, men started to pay attention - including the man who would become her husband, Michael Schiavo, who was tall and handsome.

But keeping the weight off was a struggle for Terri Schiavo, and years later - after her heart stopped briefly, cutting off oxygen to the brain - a malpractice case brought against a doctor on her behalf would reveal she had been trying to survive on liquids and was making herself throw up after meals. The Schiavos' lawyer said her 1990 collapse was caused by a potassium imbalance brought on by an eating disorder.


It is a cruel twist lost on no one close to the case: A woman who is said to have struggled with an eating disorder is now in the middle of a court battle over whether her feeding tube should be removed so that she can starve to death.


Gary Fox, a lawyer who represented Terri and Michael Schiavo in the malpractice case, said the disease is the ``lost lesson'' in the Schiavo case.


``While there is no cure for bulimia, there were things that could and should have been done for her that would have controlled it,'' he said in a recent interview.


Terri Schiavo, 41, is now locked in what some doctors say is a persistent vegetative state, with no hope of recovery. In one of the nation's longest right-to-die disputes, her husband is fighting with her parents to have the feeding tube removed; a court order preventing its removal expires at 5 p.m. Friday.


Like almost every element in the case, whether Schiavo really was bulimic is in dispute. Her father, Robert Schindler, said he does not believe his daughter had an eating disorder and thinks her husband had something to do with her collapse. Michael Schiavo has denied hurting his wife.


During the malpractice case, at least one of Schiavo's friends testified they knew she was bulimic because after meals out, she always immediately excused herself to go to the bathroom. Her husband also knew she had peculiar eating patterns but did not realize they were dangerous, Fox said.


Medical records from the hospital where Schiavo was treated after her collapse note that ``she apparently has been trying to keep her weight down with dieting by herself, drinking liquids most of the time during the day and drinking about 10-15 glasses of iced tea.''


Fox said that in the months before her collapse, Schiavo went to the doctor because she had stopped menstruating. It was a silent ``cry for help,'' the lawyer said. But the doctor did not take a complete medical history that might have revealed an eating disorder.


The jury put the damages at $6.8 million but reduced the verdict to about $2 million because it felt Schiavo was partly at fault for her collapse.


Fox said Schiavo was a victim of medical negligence, but also a victim of societal pressures to be thin. ``She didn't want to go back to where she was from,'' he said. ``This was the only way she could do this in her mind and be able to eat as much as she did.''


Eating disorders have long been known to cause heart failure. According to the National Eating Disorders Association, the binge-and-purge cycles of bulimia can lead to chemical imbalances that harm major organs.


David Herzog, a Harvard psychology professor and founder of the Harvard Eating Disorders Center, said medical science is only in the early stages of tracking the long-term effects of eating disorders and there are no good statistics on how many people are killed or permanently disabled. Herzog said that even when someone dies from an eating disorder, medical examiners often do not list it on the death certificate.


Experts say the serious health risks exist long before a victim looks sick. In Schiavo's case, Fox said, she was not excessively thin when she went to the doctor.


Psychologist Doug Bunnell, president of the National Eating Disorders Association, said while he could not comment on the specifics of the Schiavo case, it is often impossible to predict which sufferers are in immediate danger. ``Paint me a picture of an eating disorder - it's an emaciated woman,'' he said. ``But that's not the reality. They don't get down that low. The face of eating disorders is your next-door neighbor's daughter or maybe your own.''



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"Psychologist Doug Bunnell, president of the National Eating Disorders Association, said while he could not comment on the specifics of the Schiavo case, it is often impossible to predict which sufferers are in immediate danger. ``Paint me a picture of an eating disorder - it's an emaciated woman,'' he said. ``But that's not the reality. They don't get down that low. The face of eating disorders is your next-door neighbor's daughter or maybe your own.'' "

this is so true, especially of bulemics. A lot of times the bulemics can be of normal weight or obese. It is usually the anorexics where you see the emaciated severe weight loss. Also, It seems to me that they were trying to place the blame on society and the medical personel, which I am not saying they are not at fault because I was not there. BUT, it seems to me as if the husband and friends should be partially...well I do not want to say blame because we are all responsible for our own actions as was Terri. However, they knew she had abnormal eating habits and all and they did not intervene as well. It is important that when you know someone has an eating disorder that you just do not let it happen but actually get involved and help otherwise you may end up in the same situation that this poor family is in.

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Man Cleared to Remove Wife's Feeding Tube


By VICKIE CHACHERE, Associated Press Writer

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - A judge gave Terri Schiavo's husband permission to remove the brain-damaged woman's feeding tube in three weeks, handing him a victory in his effort to carry out what he says were his wife's wishes not to be kept alive artificially.



The ruling by Pinellas Circuit Court Judge George Greer will allow the husband, Michael Schiavo, to order the tube removed at 1 p.m. on March 18. In the meantime, the woman's parents, who want her kept alive, are expected to ask another court to block the order from taking effect.


The judge wrote that he was no longer comfortable granting delays in the long-running family feud, which has been going on for nearly seven years and has been waged in every level of Florida's court system. He said the case must end.


"The court is no longer comfortable granting stays simply upon the filings of new motions," Greer wrote. "There will always be 'new' issues."


The tube keeps the 41-year-old disabled woman alive. The husband, Michael Schiavo, says he is seeking to carry out his wife's wishes not to be kept alive artificially.


The decision came on the 15th anniversary of Terri Schiavo's collapse, when a chemical imbalance brought on by an eating disorder caused her heart to stop beating.


The parents were at the Pinellas Park hospice where Terri Schiavo is being cared for when Greer's order was issued. They were planning an afternoon news conference.


Greer previously granted Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, a stay until 5 p.m. Friday.


The judge made his decision after pleadings from the parents that they need more time to pursue additional medical tests which might prove their daughter has more mental capabilities than previously thought.


State officials also are trying to intervene in the case. Attorneys for the Schindlers said the state wants a 60-day stay to investigate allegations that she is being mistreated by being denied appropriate medical care and rehabilitation.


The Schindlers and their son-in-law have fought each other in court since the late 1990s on whether Terri Schiavo should live or die. The two sides have battled through scores of opinions and rulings and tens of thousands of pages of filings.


The feud has taken on elements of a soap opera, with allegations that it began as a fight over more than $1 million awarded to Terri Schiavo in a medical malpractice case which her husband stood to inherit. Michael Schiavo has also been accused by his in-laws of having a conflict of interest in wanting his wife dead because he has started a new family with another woman.


The Schindlers do not believe their daughter is in a persistent vegetative state as court-appointed doctors have ruled.


A leading Vatican (news - web sites) cardinal also has weighed in on behalf of keeping Terri Schiavo alive.


"If Mr. Schiavo legally succeeded in provoking the death of his wife, this would not only be tragic in itself, but it would be a serious step toward legally approving euthanasia in the United States," Cardinal Renato Martino, the head of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, told Vatican Radio on Thursday.