Appeals court: Terri Schiavo parents cannot intervene - Page 66 - Big Big Forums

YNKYH8R · 06-22-2005, 10:23 AM

I'd rather be walking around through stuff around than blind in a bed for 15 years. That is just where we differ.

YankeeMary · 06-22-2005, 10:57 AM

I perfer to simply just die. I wouldn't want my body kept alive as Terry"s was, nor would I want to live my old age out having alzeheimers/dementia...but thats just my preferance. I have been around alzeheimer, dementia patients as well as people in Terry's condition all 3 are horrible. Now remember I am saying I wouldn't want to live like that, I am not saying run out a kill all alzeheimer/dementia patients.

janelle · 06-22-2005, 01:24 PM

The people who wanted her tube pulled keep contradicting themselves. First she is a vegtable with no comprehension of what is going on around her, no feelings, not aware she is blind, aware of nothing. Then she is suffering living like that.

No she is not suffering.

Alzeheimer's and dementia patients suffer. They become very afraid of many ordinary everyday things. My mother cried many times but the people around her comforted her and helped her to feel better. My mother didn't have it as bad as others who wander all day. Just walk around confused.

Compared to alzeheimer's patients, Terri was a breeze to take care of and she was in better shape. No fear, no crying, no pain. Just had too healthy a heart and organs to stop operating. I can't help to think if she had had a child her husband would have been more reluctant to pull the tube. Having a child ask, "you why are you killing mommy"? He would have to explain it to a child and he may have had a hard time explaining.

Alzeheimer's is becoming an epidemic now. If you do not want to live like that than you better make a living will telling people to stop feeling you and abandon you in the woods. Not that I believe it will happen. Please God I hope it doesn't ever happen in our society. But you never know with the way we are going.

YNKYH8R · 06-22-2005, 01:38 PM

I never said she was suffering, you're right she wasn't suffering. It is just so cruel to keep someone alive in that fashion to just to make yourself feel good. I mean I understand that they had a hard time letting her go; but that's their fault. THey surrounded themselves with people who offered false hope. And now that the results are back and there was no chance at I would be mad at the docotrs that strung them along thinking there was something that could be done. I don't hate the Schindler's (hates a strong word) I just see the court battles to keep her alive, when she didn't want to be, pointless. Sorry to be blunt but she was s hell of her former self with no hope of recocvery.

YNKYH8R · 06-22-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by janelle

Alzeheimer's is becoming an epidemic now. If you do not want to live like that than you better make a living will telling people to stop feeling you and abandon you in the woods. Not that I believe it will happen. Please God I hope it doesn't ever happen in our society. But you never know with the way we are going.

Yes, I have a living will that states if ever an event arises in which I will have to be kept alive artifically I choose to die naturally; DNR.

YNKYH8R · 06-22-2005, 03:17 PM

I understand what is going on. Since you are catholic you believe that even though her heart was beating she must have been alive and therefore aware of what was going on and there was no justifiable reason to let her go; just as you believe in original sin. So basically debate either point with you in moot. Oh well.

janelle · 06-22-2005, 04:13 PM

I believe she was alive but did not know what was going on. No one knew that though until the autopsy, so they thought she may know what was going on. The autopsy tells me they really had no reason to kill her since she wasn't even suffering a little bit. The autopsy gives me more reason to wonder why they thought it was better to kill her since she didn't want to live like that. She didn't know.

But we know and knew what was going on. Now the parents are left to greive forever. I think they would be better off if they had been able to take care of her. Their greiving would be helped by being with her all the way.

Look at it from a mother's point of view. She was there when her baby came into the world but was kept away when she died. Now that is cruel. I married my husband but I did not give my whole self to him body and soul. I took vows but I never said I was to be his property. We don't have ownership of people in this country. My body and soul still belongs to me and I would hope we would want others in our family to be included during our end here on earth. I know my hubby would not be that controlling but sadly some men are.

Bubblescc · 06-23-2005, 01:53 AM

Question, There wasnt anything in writing stating what she wanted was there? Please correct me if I am wrong but I didnt think there was....

if there was not then why was this necessary? The husband had moved on with his life, what was the harm in allowing the parents take responsibility for her?
Another question who was paying the bills?

YNKYH8R · 06-23-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by janelle

I believe she was alive but did not know what was going on. No one knew that though until the autopsy, so they thought she may know what was going on. The autopsy tells me they really had no reason to kill her since she wasn't even suffering a little bit. The autopsy gives me more reason to wonder why they thought it was better to kill her since she didn't want to live like that. She didn't know.

But we know and knew what was going on. Now the parents are left to greive forever. I think they would be better off if they had been able to take care of her. Their greiving would be helped by being with her all the way.

Look at it from a mother's point of view. She was there when her baby came into the world but was kept away when she died. Now that is cruel. I married my husband but I did not give my whole self to him body and soul. I took vows but I never said I was to be his property. We don't have ownership of people in this country. My body and soul still belongs to me and I would hope we would want others in our family to be included during our end here on earth. I know my hubby would not be that controlling but sadly some men are.

It was out of respect to Terri, regardless of what she did and did not know he wanted to respect her wishes and take her off life support. (yes it was a feeding tube but it did support her life.) It sucks that they never got over there loss. But my wife and I have already discussed that we would want to have our daughter the way we remembered her. Not like that. This was her choice and he was just full filling his end.

schsa · 06-23-2005, 03:31 PM

The reason he didn't hand her over to her parents is because she had told him that she wouldn't want to live in a vegative state. It was something she said to him and he felt it was his job to do as she asked. Too bad she didn't have it in writing. That's why her marker says that he kept his promise.

I have a living will and my family knows that if anything happens to me they had better let me go. I won't live knowing I have alzheimers or any other debilitative disease. It's easy for me because I don't have children. So I can make these decisions knowing that there is no one that I have to worry about if I am gone. But I will take my own life rather than stay alive just because a machine or a care giver can keep me alive. It is my own decision.

janelle · 06-23-2005, 03:31 PM

Well it would have been nice of him to have decided that at the biginning when they had to insert the feeding tube in the first place. He could have said no, she said she would not want to live this way.

Oh wait, he couldn't have done it then cause the court settlement from the hospital hadn't come through yet. She had to stay alive so peole could see her condition and award the big settlement. Then after the money rolled in he could disclose that she once told him she didn't want to live like that.

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