YankeeMary

I guess it depends which side of the fence you are on, then it could read that.

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Kyla Kym

Either your crazy, or I am, because as far as I know I never once complained because no one responded to my post on here. It would suit me just fine if I was able to state how I feel without having to debate my feelings on a thread. Please point out to me where I complained several times on here because no one responded to my post.

You should practice what you preach, because you are judging people left and right. Just like when you judge her parents when you said earlier "No I do not think her parents have her best interest at heart".

Exactly! Once again, practice what you preach! I didn't comment or question you about any of your post. I just posted my feelings and you felt the need to question me. I think your ideas are horrible, but I didn't question you on it. Why did you feel that I needed to explain why I fell the way I do to you?

kidzpca

Yep last I knew Munchausens by Proxy is ABUSE. Hmmmmmmm I think she's got it my dear.

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Jolie Rouge

3/30/2005 9:59 PM

Experts draw distinct line in cases of Schiavo and the pope
By Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY


Is what is good for the pope good for Terri Schiavo?

Though the situations seem similar — feeding tubes for two people who cannot get adequate nutrition otherwise — they are not medically or morally the same, experts say.

The Vatican reported Wednesday that Pope John Paul II, weakened by Parkinson's disease, is now receiving supplemental nutrition through a feeding tube in his nose.

On the same day, the parents of Terri Schiavo failed again to get a court order to reinstate the gastric feeding tube that has sustained their daughter since 1990. Overwhelmingly, neurologists who have examined Schiavo say that although her brain stem, which directs functions such as breathing, is functioning, her cerebral cortex, which directs higher-order thinking skills, is gone.

"There is no comparison between Terri and the pope," says Dennis McCann, chairman of the religious studies department at Agnes Scott College in Atlanta. "He is emphatically not near brain death. ... It's understandable and proper in his case to supply the feeding tube. Terri Schiavo has been brain-dead for years even if we have the technical ability to keep her body going. The ethical question is, 'Why?' "

Michael Schiavo and the doctors and ethicists who support his drive to let his wife die say sustaining her body with food and hydration through a feeding tube is simply prolonging her death. The cause of that death will not be starvation and dehydration but the original severe brain damage following a heart attack, they say.

Schiavo's parents dispute this, and ethicists who support their view say there's no ethical basis for ruling that people who are partially brain-dead are dying.

John Kilner of the Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity in Bannockburn, Ill., says the definition of death is the entire brain, so Schiavo is "an alive human being who must ethically have treatment — unless you come up with some way of justifying in your own mind that this is not a living human being."

That, Kilner says, lands you on a slippery slope to euthanizing people who are "at the lower end of a quality-of-life scale. It's a dangerous way of looking at human beings."

But the pope has said that nothing outweighs the value of supporting life. Cutting off food and hydration is "euthanasia by omission," he said in a speech a year ago.

Still, Catholic moral theologians have for decades evaluated end-of-life care based on its physical, emotional and financial benefits and burdens on patient and family.

The Catholic Health Association continues to follow the ethical directives of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. These spell out that a feeding tube is extraordinary medical care to be decided on a case-by-case basis — not ordinary care, which is morally obligatory.

There's no requirement to "prolong life futilely," say the editors of the Catholic magazine Commonweal in an editorial released Wednesday. It slams some of Schiavo's political and pro-life advocates and decries the church hierarchy for failing to present the church's more nuanced views.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...M_Exclude=Juno

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Jolie Rouge

I have posted threads about protecting our children from abductions, the quakes in Japan & Indonisia, the millions ( MILLIONS ) dead and dying in the Congo, the Sudan and Rwanda of starvation, disease, and violence; the abuses of the UN & UN peacekeepers, an explosion that killed more than 14 and injured scores more in Texas, a another missing 12 year old girl in Florida, a man tied up & dragged behind a car, escape tunnels from an Iraqi Prison, new information on Rilya ( three year old child "lost" in the Florida DCF system) ... hardly anyone notices



Are you comparing a life and death issue, a woman being slowly starved to death to an ELECTION ??

It almost sounds like you wish this person - a living breathing human being - will die a protracted and painful death so that some people will be able to flip the "Bird" and deliver a resounding FU to the administration, the GOP, and anyone who voted for them We have disagreed on a number of things, but this really sound childish and beneath you. Please tell me I am mistaken ...

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Victorious

I'm not sure I understand... Are you saying that you think her parents have hurt her for attention? I know what Munchausens by Proxy is but I'm confused since her parents have had very little to do with her care and her husband had been in control.

janelle

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:05 p.m. EST
Mel Gibson: Terri's Killing Is 'Murder'



In his strongest comments yet on the Terri Schiavo case, actor Mel Gibson calls her killing "nothing more than state sanctioned murder.”




The actor and director spoke out Wednesday night in a telephone interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity.


"I heard their cry for help,” Gibson explained his public comments. Gibson insisted that Terri Schiavo is not in a vegetative state.


Gibson said he decided to take a public stand because "it is completely wrong to deprive this poor woman from food and water.”


He added that the court ordered method of killing – depriving her of basic sustenance -- "is a prolonged and cruel execution.”


Gibson said he is closely following the case and is astounded by the developments.


"I just sit here watching this whole scenario play out in front of me with my mouth wide open, that our country has come to this,” he said, adding, "I think it’s a really black day.”

The actor offered little hope for Terri Schiavo at this point, describing the appeals as "a little too little too late.”


"It’s nothing more than state sanctioned murder,” Gibson continued.


He was also disturbed that a local Florida judge was given the unquestioned power to sentence Schiavo to death.


"All the big guys, they’ve got their hands tied by some tin-horned judge down there,” he said. "Common, when they want to whip a judge they got no problem getting Judge Moore in a heart beat.”


"It’s so wrong and I watch it, appalled and stunned, that we have gotten to this.”

janelle

Y, you make it sound like the Dems and those who voted for Kerry are going to have a party when Terri dies cause they will have won over the Republicans this time. THAT IS JUST SICK.

OHHHH just wait until 08 and this comes back to bite the Dems big time.

janelle

NBC, CBS Playing Down Schiavo Case

The major TV networks are trying to play down the Terri Schiavo story as she enters her 13th day of court-ordered starvation and dehydration.


On Wednesday night two of the three major TV networks did not even bother to lead their evening news programs with the most controversial story of our day.
Both the "CBS Evening News" and NBC’s "Nightly News with Brian Williams" led their shows with news stories other than the Schiavo case.

Only ABC’s "World News Tonight" began its program with a full report on the latest developments in the Schiavo case.

CBS featured the Schiavo story as its second feature.


But NBC’s news broadcast wins the award for its effort to downplay the controversy.

Williams first led his program with a report on the Supreme Court’s decision to allow workers expanded rights in claiming age discrimination. He followed that with a report on the pope and his feeding tube.

Williams then simply offered a brief "update" on the Schiavo case narrated by Williams himself. No field report on the most-talked-about story in America, including the major story of the federal appeals court rejecting the Schindler family for the second time.

Why are the media elites in New York so cool to the Terri Schiavo story? Perhaps it’s not pleasant to cover the first court-sanctioned effort to starve to death a U.S. citizen.

janelle

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:15 a.m. ET
Bill Clinton Supports Rescuing Schiavo

While New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has virtually gone into hiding - as have many other Democrats - regarding whether or not Terri Schiavo should be starved to death, ex-President Bill Clinton was reportedly "egging on" one of Hillary's colleagues to support federal intervention to rescue Schiavo.

Reports CBS's Dottie Lynch:

"[Sen. Tom Harkin] forged the coalition with Republicans Frist, Santorum, Martinez and, according to two sources, had the support of former President Clinton for his actions. While Mr. Clinton apparently didn't talk to Harkin until after the vote, one source described Mr. Clinton as 'egging him on.'"

It wouldn't be the first time Bill Clinton urged fellow Democrats to side with conservatives on traditional values issues.

During the presidential campaign, the triangulator-in-chief advised Sen. John Kerry to find a way to support at least a few of gay marriage bans that were on the ballot in 11 states.

Kerry rejected the advice and lost the election.

So why hasn't Mr. Clinton exhorted Mrs. Clinton to join Harkin in the bid to save Schiavo? "He probably did," one longtime Clinton watcher opined to NewsMax. "And it looks like she turned him down."
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Clinton is great at the political game He knows where the votes are next time around and trying to tell Hillary she better belly up if she wants to have any chance of running let alone winning.

janelle

Isn't she beautiful? This is in fact what she normally looks like....

Not much like a vegtable huh?