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You know what? You’re absolutely right. We all have strong feelings on the government involvement, the life/death issue, spousal rights, and ethics. It really hits a nerve with a lot of people who feel it is murder, or to those who see our rights being broken down one by one.
I’m sorry that I yelled earlier, I just get really frustrated sometimes. It is a sad situation and some of us see more of the black and white than others.

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I found some blogs from MSNBC.....
Terri Schiavo case: Your e-mails

I am thoroughly disgusted about the Shiavo case on multiple levels. First, as a lawyer, I am dismayed by the contempt for state courts shown by the commentary, implicit or explicit, that has come out both from politicians and ordinary citizens. It is not healthy for U.S. congressmen, many of whom have no courtroom experience and are not lawyers, to comment upon the qualifications of individual judges to render opinions that are of such obvious local character. Second, it is disconcerting as a taxpayer to see Air Force One flying at who knows what cost to Washington so that our president can get a photo op. Third, I cannot believe that Bill Frist who is a heart surgeon has weighed in against the neurological specialists who have seen the patient up close after his having watched a one-hour videotape. — Hudson Henley, Dallas, TX

The actions by both the Congress and the President regarding the Terri Schiavo case was an outrageous abuse of power. What is even more disturbing is the lack of factual, investigated and corroborated information presented on every news outlet. I listened carefully to extensive interviews of Michael Schiavo and Terri Schiavo's family and the unprecedented Congressional hearing last night and believe that Terri Schiavo's wishes have been disregarded and dishonored. Her husband is her legal guardian, and the Court has spoken. My Mother died in a Hospice, so I really do know what I am talking about. As to the execution of a Living Will, please inform your listeners that it is not enough. I have a Codicil that states that should I be taken to a hospital whose staff will not honor my wishes on religious grounds, I am to be moved to one which will. In addition, I have since learned that a Do Not Resuscitate Order is required as well. Now, I am very concerned that I will need an additional Codicil to protect me from politican intervention. Where does this stop? Last night, I left the Republican Party. — Charon Husted, Falls Church, VA

Do those wanting to keep Schiavo alive want to spend billions of tax dollars to keep all POOR people in a vegetative state alive?? Or just those with insurance? Or just those with their eyes open and a wide-open-mouth smile locked on their face much of the time? — Tom Paine

I am listening to everything going on this weekend with this sad case. Decisions like the one being made are done on an everyday basis and I have never heard of the congress and president stepping in to make a NEW LAW. This is beyond getting into an american's personal life and it really scares me. I have never thought about what or whom would decide my medical fate in the event that I couldn't, but after all of this I have made sure that my wishes are very well known. What the government and her parents have done to this poor woman is a disgrace. This is exploitiveness at the upsmost and they should not be allowed to get away with it. — Carol Ann Fastiggi

Terri's parents should have the last word on weather she lives or dies. And in the future parents should always be the ones (if they are available)to make that end of life decision for the children they gave life to, and the decision should be unanimous! and if not, the spouse should weigh in. When I recognize the history in this country of murder by spouses, and the statistics of its increase, I know that parents are the ones to trust, they have no monetary interest in life insurance or judgments in a case. — Zephy, Zipp City, OH

After more than 25 yrs as a Democrat, I now leave the party in disgust. Their inaction in the Schiavo case was the last straw---they've become completely useless. I've waited for an investigation into this administration, but to no avail. I've given up on my party, I've given up on my country. And I am finally able to reach this revelation because Terri Schiavo's parents cannot give up their daughter's fate to her husband, the FL courts, or God. Tom Delay is the only one who gains anything here--he gets a temporary smokescreen. The nation owes Michael Schiavo an apology for allowing our legislators, the media, evangelicals to not only make an already horrific situation worse, but to viciously slander him. — Jeannine, Richmond

In response to your question Monica, " Where does that leave the parents? Do the have no rights?" In my opinion, no, they gave up their rights when they gave up their daughter in marriage. They had their chance to object to the union of their daughter to this man, but did not do so. I'm sorry, but they need to let the law stand and allow Michael to decide alone. — Philip Y., Columbia, SC

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dangerousfem

LOL...

I agree.. we all have very strong feelings on this... and honestly I think this thread has stayed pretty civil..lol.. I just hope these familys can find some peace soon.... no matter what is decided.... as for those on here who have differnt opinions than me.... ( you know who your are huh....lol. ) I have no hard feelings... I enjoy a good debate... and I think everyone has stated their opinions without getting nasty and name calling.

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No matter what anyone says this is a very important case for deciding future ways to treat handicap people and those who are given large settlements in the court for malpractice suits. She may not be in a vegative state, if she is, right now if she had gotten the therapy she needed.

I would hope the monies would be used for treatment of the patient and future care. Doesn't look like it was used that way here. There should be a law about that. I wonder how many other people have used the monies on themselves and not the patient. This affects all of us and drives our insurance up and doctors out of business. Some people would not take things to court if they knew the total amount had to be used for rehibilation of the patient and care of the person for the rest of their lives. Sad but true

The husband put her on medicade? That is preposterous. Look how much money they awarded her and where is it now?

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Schiavo fate back in court after Bush signs law
GOP creates opening for federal judge; hearing set for 3 p.m. ET

NBC News and news services
Updated: 2:34 p.m. ET March 21, 2005


PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - The fate of Terri Schiavo once again was in the hands of a judge Monday, following an extraordinary political fight over the brain-damaged woman that consumed both chambers of Congress and prompted the president to rush back to the White House from his Texas ranch.

Taking the Senate’s lead, the House early Monday passed a bill to let the woman’s parents ask a federal judge to prolong Schiavo’s life by reinserting her feeding tube. President Bush signed the measure less than an hour later, at 1:11 a.m. ET. A White House source said he was woken from his sleep for the signing.

The White House said the law was narrowly tailored and not intended as a precedent for Congress to step into battles over the fate of seriously disabled or terminally ill patients.

But in a written statement, Bush promised to “stand on the side of those defending life for all Americans, including those with disabilities.”


Speaking in Arizona later on Monday, Bush said Congress had given the parents of Terri Schiavo "another opportunity to save their daughter's life." In extraordinary circumstances such as these, he said, it is "wise to always err on the side of life."

Bush's brother Florida Gov. Jeb Bush praised Congress for its "extraordinary action" in the Schiavo matter and rejected criticism that the legislation represented an unwarranted federal intrusion in a state case.

"They're not overruling any decision in asking federal to review the decision. I think that's more than appropriate," he said, adding that efforts would continue to find a compromise on state legislation to protect Schiavo.

The governor said he was in frequent contact during the weekend with Republican congressional leaders.

Until now, federal courts have turned the case back to state courts. The law gives the U.S. District Court in Tampa jurisdiction on a case that has been taken up by Republican leaders and galvanized activists on both sides of the emotional end-of-life issue.

An attorney for her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, went to the federal district court in Tampa at 3 a.m. ET, filing a request for an emergency injunction to keep their daughter fed.

It was not known when the judge, James Whittemore, would make a ruling but his office announced a hearing for 3 p.m. ET.

The parents' attorney, David Gibbs, said the judge had lots of paperwork to read through. Asked if he had any indication when the judge would rule, Gibbs said: “I have no way to know, just that it’s in the hands of the court.”

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Michael Schiavo gave contradictory stories about whether disconnecting his estranged wife from feeding tubes was his wish or her wish in a Larry King interview on CNN.

Asked why he has persisted in his decade-long effort to end his wife's life despite the wishes of Terri Schiavo's parents and others who love her, Schiavo said: "Because this is what Terri wanted. This is her wish." I won't give it up," he said. "Terri is my life. I'm going to carry out her wishes to the very end. This is what she wanted. It's not about the Schindlers. It's not about me, not about Congress. It's about Terri."

Schiavo has been living with another woman for the last 10 years and is raising two children with her.

Under mysterious and still unexplained circumstances, Terri Schiavo lost consciousness and blood flow to her brain for a period of time some 15 years ago. Her parents suspect foul play.

While she remains conscious, she is unable to speak. The family says she has been denied treatments that could help her regain the ability to eat and speak.

Shortly after saying his determination to end Terri's life was about her wishes, Schiavo changed his story in the King interview. Asked if he understood her family's feelings, he said: "Yes, I do. But this is not about them, it's about Terri. And I've also said that in court. We didn't know what Terri wanted, but this is what we want. ..."

The interview aired Friday.

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Wanted??!! I think I have said enough of WHY NOT. IT IS NOT WRITTEN ANYWHERE, just his word of mouth. He has denied everything, how can that be her best interest??!!

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Federal judge weighs Schiavo case
Bush signs law letting parents seek restoration of feeding tube
Monday, March 21, 2005


TAMPA, Florida (CNN) -- A federal judge Monday heard arguments on whether a feeding tube should be reinserted for Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged woman at the center of a tug of war that triggered extraordinary congressional action over the weekend.

Judge James Whittemore of the Middle District of Florida did not indicate when he might rule on the matter. "I will render a decision, but I will not tell you when," Whittemore said at the conclusion of the hearing.

David Gibbs -- an attorney for Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler -- filed documents overnight seeking a temporary restraining order and Schiavo's move from a hospice to a hospital for the tube's reinsertion.

Schiavo's feeding tube was removed Friday at the orders of a state court judge after repeated rulings that she is in a "persistent vegetative state" and that her husband and legal guardian, Michael Schiavo, has the right to make the decision.

Fifty-six percent of Americans agree with the decision to remove the feeding tube -- including 54 percent of Republicans and 55 percent of people who attend church at least monthly, according to a poll released Monday.

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll was based on telephone interviews of 909 American adults from Friday to Sunday. The margins of error for the questions ranged from plus-or-minus 3 percentage points to plus-or-minus 7 percentage points.

The two sides presented their cases in court Monday for 45 minutes apiece.

Gibbs repeatedly called for urgent action, saying Schiavo is dehydrating and starving "as we speak."

He said her right to due process has consistently been denied by lower courts -- a statement that drew intense questioning from the judge.

Pressed by Whittemore to cite any case law to support his argument, Gibbs admitted he could not think of any.

George Felos, an attorney for her husband, pointed out that Michael Schiavo is her legal guardian and argued that her parents don't have legal standing to make their case. Felos also said Terri Schiavo told her best friend, brother-in-law and uncle that she would never want to be kept alive in this type of scenario.

Outside court, Felos told reporters that Terri Schiavo long ago made clear her wishes: "She said, 'I don't want to be kept alive artificially -- 'no tubes for me. I want to go when my time comes. Take the tubes and everything out.'"

Gibbs said he believes the judge will make a quick decision. "We tried to stress the urgency of moving quickly," he said. "I'm sure the court is well aware that Terri does not have many days without food or water before she will die."

Attorneys for Michael Schiavo told CNN Monday before the hearing they would argue the new legislation represents the intrusion of Congress and the president into both a private family matter and a state court system.

Hours earlier, President Bush signed into law a bill authorizing the federal courts to review the case after emergency weekend sessions in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate. Bush's signature followed a 203-58 vote in the House early Monday approving a bill to transfer the case's jurisdiction to federal court. The Senate passed the legislation by voice vote Sunday.

At a town-meeting style appearance Monday in Tucson, Arizona, Bush said: "Democrats and Republicans in Congress came together last night to give Terri Schiavo's parents another opportunity to save their daughter's life."

"This is a complex case with serious issues," Bush said. "But in extraordinary circumstances like this, it is wise to always err on the side of life."

Justice Department lawyers also filed documents in federal court Monday supporting legal efforts to keep Schiavo alive, a senior department official said.

In the House, 47 Democrats joined 156 Republicans in voting for the bill following more than three hours of passionate debate.

The extraordinary session had supporters, primarily Republicans, arguing that the issue was Schiavo's "right to life," while a Democrat warned that passing the measure would "undermine over 200 years of jurisprudence."

Bob Schindler said he visited his daughter Monday in the Pinellas Park, Florida, hospice where she is a patient. "I asked her if she was ready to take a little ride, and I told her that we were going to take her for a little trip and take her outside and get her some breakfast, and that got a big smile out of her face, so help me God," Schindler said. "So, she seemed to be very pleased, and we're pleased, and we're very thankful for both the House and the Senate for passing this bill and literally saving Terri's life."

Michael Schiavo assailed the congressional action. "I think it's an invasion to the American people when you make a private decision in a family matter," he said on CNN. "This is a sad day for Terri, and it's a sad day for every American in this country, and people should be outraged."

Terri Schiavo collapsed in her home in 1990 when her heart stopped briefly because of a possible potassium imbalance, halting the flow of oxygen to her brain and causing extensive damage.

The bitter legal debate has resulted in more than a dozen state court decisions, and it appeared to reach a climax with Friday's ruling. The U.S. Supreme Court later rejected the House's appeal to intervene.

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the president's brother, issued a statement shortly after the House vote: "I thank the Congress for its swift action allowing Terri's parents to seek a federal review of this case. Certainly, an incapacitated person deserves at least the same protection afforded criminals sentenced to death."

But Michael Schiavo objected. "This is about Terri Schiavo, not the government, not President Bush and Gov. Bush," he said. "They should be ashamed of themselves."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/21/schiavo/index.html

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DISABLED WOMAN WOULD CRY 'HELP ME' CAREGIVERS CLAIM
By Jeff Johnson CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
September 03, 2003
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Carla Sauer Iyer was a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) at the same convalescent center in the mid 1990s, and also cared for Terri. She described Mr. Schiavo as being "focused on Terri's death.

"Michael [Schiavo] would say, 'When is she going to die? Has she died yet?' and 'When is that b***** going to die?'" Iyer charged. "Other statements which I recall him making include, 'Can't anything be done to accelerate her death, won't she ever die?' When she wouldn't die, Michael [Schiavo] would be furious."

Conversely, Iyer said that when she would have to call Schiavo to inform him of a downturn in Terri's condition, Schiavo would be elated.

"Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die," Iyer recalled. "He would blurt out, 'I'm going to be rich,' and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat and going to Europe, among other things."

Iyer also described incidents of Terri Schiavo talking, moving voluntarily and responding to external stimuli, descriptions that Iyer said were removed from Mrs. Schiavo's medical records. Both Law and Iyer reported Terri verbally communicating, also contradicting Michael Schiavo's claim that his wife was in a Persistent Vegetative State.

"During the time I cared for Terri, she formed words. I have heard her say 'mommy' from time to time, and 'momma,'" Law recalled. "She also said 'help me' a number of times."

Iyer described Terri as "alert and oriented," and said Michael Schiavo "systematically distorted" Terri's medical condition.

"Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as 'mommy' and 'help me,'" Iyer recalled. "'Help me' was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times."

How can anyone consider Mike Shiavo Terri's husband when he has lived with another woman for ten years. Marriage is a covenant before G-d and Mike has broken it long ago.

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