Appeals court: Terri Schiavo parents cannot intervene - Page 17 - Big Big Forums

Jolie Rouge · 03-19-2005, 11:09 PM

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Four people, including right wing leader James Gordon "Bo" Gritz, were arrested on misdemeanor trespassing charges when they attempted to bring Schiavo bread and water, which she would be unable to consume.

They were trying to bring her Holy Communion and administer the Rite of the Annointing of the Sick. As Terri was a practicing Catholic prior to this whole nightmare, how can her "loving husband"

justify refusing her this ?

YNKYH8R · 03-20-2005, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by janelle

I haven't seen the movie, "Notebook" but I bet it's the same way there. I hope people will learn lessons watching it and also seeing the Pope in his last days. Or watching your own love ones in their last days. It should be dignity until the end and loving care.

LOL!!! LMAO!! Ha Ha! Janelle, go see the movie it is one of the best movies I've ever seen and has nothing to do with case. You people think that Terri isn't talking because she has nothing to say? No. She has irriversable brain damage.

YNKYH8R · 03-20-2005, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KarlaJorge

There is no written proof of what they is "HER WILL" and HER MOTHER HAS DECIDED SHE DOESN'T WANT HER TO DIE, THAT IS HER DECISION, and it should be respected whether or not Michael Schiavo is or not her husband, is or not her "guardian", "evil guardian" IMO.
He is not in the position to be taken seriously when he has not been an example. How can he say he loves her, when he is with another woman.

Karla her Mother has no legal standing as long as Terri is married. This is why we have marriage rights, to speak for our spouces when they can't. It is believed that the husband/wife has the best interests of the spouce in mind and has first hand knowledge of what the patient would want.
His 'example' is not debatable in court, and those times he was in court Terri's parents could prove otherwise.

YNKYH8R · 03-20-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dangerousfem

If you look earlier in this thread.. you will see where Jolie has posted that hundreds of thousands of dollars has been spent on his lawyer.. not her medical bills

Well maybe if the parents didn't keep taking him to court he wouldn't have had to spend it.

YNKYH8R · 03-20-2005, 07:59 AM

If Terri's condition was in fact brought on by an eating disorder do you really think she would have wanted to be left in this state? Some cases where people have an eating diorder it is because they have BDD. Whuch would contradict her wanting to look like or live like this.
Plus didn;t anyone ever think that the reason Michael doesn't just 'walk away' is because he knows what she wanted. And it hurts him to see her like this. A lot of people her make it seem like he sits back and laughs every time he thinks of her in her condition. Well guess what, no one here knows what is going through his mind. If some one was trying to force my wife to stay alive like this, when I know she wouldn't want to I'd fight as hard. Anything else would be a let down to my wife.

And it looks like our lovely governemtn is going to make some new laws. Does anyone know what kind of laws they'll be? What the details will be? Making new law isn't like baking cookies.First they don't want smae sex marriage, then they want to take away spousal privelage (and if that is what it is that will create a whirlwind of crap just you wait), what's next?

Linus1223 · 03-20-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Most common misconceptions about Terri's situation

MYTH: Terri is PVS (Persistent vegetative state)
FACT: The definition of PVS in Florida Statue 765.101:
Persistent vegetative state means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of ANY kind.
(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.

Terri's behavior does not meet the medical or statutory definition of persistent vegetative state. Terri responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. None of these behaviors are simple reflexes and are, instead, voluntary and cognitive. Though Terri has limitations, she does interact purposefully with her environment.

MYTH: Terri does not need rehabilitation
FACT: Florida Statute 744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated:

(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right
(i) To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.

This is a retained right that a guardian cannot take away. Additionally, it does not make exception for PVS patients. Terri has illegally been denied rehabilitation - as many nurses have sworn in affidavits.

MYTH: Removal of food was both legal and court-ordered.

FACT: The courts had only allowed removal of Terri's feeding tube, not regular food and water. Terri's husband illegally ordered this. The law only allows the removal of "life-prolonging procedures," not regular food and water:

Florida Statute 765.309 Mercy killing or euthanasia not authorized; suicide distinguished. Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to condone, authorize, or approve mercy killing or euthanasia, or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act or omission to end life other than to permit the natural process of dying.

This comes from terrisfight.org and is a website sponsored by people who want to keep her alive...I'd be curious to see actual myths and facts from a site that isn't biased.

dangerousfem · 03-20-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by YNKYH8R

Well maybe if the parents didn't keep taking him to court he wouldn't have had to spend it.

The point is.. by the time her parents keep taking him to court... the money should have been GONE it was for her.. for therapy and medical treatments... which she didn't get..... if he had used it on what he was suppose to... there money wouldn't have been available to him to spend on lawyers... or anything else HE wanted... instead of what SHE needed.

YNKYH8R · 03-20-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dangerousfem

The point is.. by the time her parents keep taking him to court... the money should have been GONE it was for her.. for therapy and medical treatments... which she didn't get..... if he had used it on what he was suppose to... there money wouldn't have been available to him to spend on lawyers... or anything else HE wanted... instead of what SHE needed.

her condition is irreversable. That means that it cannot be undone. She has been in this state for 15-16 years. (she could have gone to high school all over again for the amount of time this has been going on.) If she was going to get better she would have by now.
Actually let me turn this one around. What treatment do you suggeest they perform on her to give her life back?!? What wonder drug did the doctors that care for her forget? What button do we push? What wand do we wave?

dangerousfem · 03-20-2005, 12:27 PM

Since I am not a dr I can't name specific treatments... but what you are asking me has nothing to do with the actual topic of his spending the money on his needs instead of hers..if this were my husband.. I would have spent every dime to make sure I tried everything.

but if you want to move to a different one....ok..again in some of the previous posts by Jolie there have been several drs quoted as saying that in the past few years new treatments have become available that could help her.. but no one is allowed to try them on her... also.. there is a post about a women that was in the a "vegatative state" that came out of it after several yars (13 I think.. but to tired to read thru all the posts to double check) and again I guess the question comes back to... just because she won't be excatly like she was before does that mean her life is any less valuable? There are people in accidents everyday, that disable them, disfigure them, and change their life forever... since medicine can't "wave its magic wand, and push its magic button" to give them their old life back.. guess we should just lock them in a room and starve them to death... cause that is exactly what he is doing to her....

kidzpca · 03-20-2005, 01:10 PM

Since some people insist that 1.6 million dollars goes far....Over the past three (3) years my dot's chemotherapy, surgeries (at least a dozen), stem cell transplant which involved a family stem cell donor so cost was a little less, a several weeks in the hospital in town and out of town 100 miles away...with a room charge, yes only room charge for 45 days stay of $169,000 and bills still coming in three years later in excess of $3,000,000 and counting. Yet my dot is considered healthy and active. What do you really think it cost for Terri's care over the past 15 years?

dangerousfem · 03-20-2005, 01:14 PM

I'm not saying the money would have stretched for 15 yrs.. or that its not expensive.. what I am saying is that several years after he got the money.. FOR HER CARE .. he still had a very very large chunk of it to spend on a laywer for himself...infact.. your point, only proves mine... no way should there have been several hundred thousands of dollars left for him to wage a legal battle, if he had done all he could for his wife.. see?