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Originally Posted by Jolie Rouge

Obama gun control?

A special assistant to the president — the president who recently lamented that an inability to pass gun control was one of the great failures of his administration — was arrested Friday after she allegedly fired a pistol at her boyfriend during a domestic dispute. Barvetta Singletary, 37, didn't help advance her boss' crusade against gun violence when she invited her boyfriend, a Capitol Hill police officer, over to her house for sex. Afterwards, she accused him of seeing another woman and demanded to see the texts on his cellphones. When he refused, Singletary reached into her boyfriend's bag, according to the arresting documents, and pulled out the two cellphones and his service weapon, a .40-caliber Glock 23. She demanded he tell her the passwords to the phones. He refused. "Your phone is more important than me holding the gun on you," she said, shooting the couch where he was sitting. Singletary was the Obama administration's House legislative affairs liaison and was paid $125,000 a year. Let's just say she wasn't a low-level staffer. And her purposeful gun crime while working for this gun-hostile administration is more important than the time Dick Cheney accidentally shot a friend while hunting. But which one received more news coverage?

--PatriotPost.us

http://www.people.com/article/white-...harged-assault
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-st...235613736.html

Letters to the Editor : I’m tired of people taking the Second Amendment out of context

Oct. 7, 2015; 7:11 p.m.

In a Feb. 23, 2013, file photo, gun-rights activist Jotham holds a rifle and a sign with his daughter, Valina, 3, also carrying a gun, during a
In a Feb. 23, 2013, file photo, gun-rights activist Jotham holds a rifle and a sign with his daughter, Valina, 3, also carrying a gun, during a "National Day of Resistance" rally at the Utah State Capitol in Salt Lake City, Utah. Valina said they were were there to show their support for the U.S. Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)

Excuse me, but I am tired of so many people taking the Second Amendment out of context and not quoting the entire statement. We have Faux News, the NRA, gun enthusiasts, several Louisiana legislators (most of them lawyers), a state Supreme Court judge and a candidate for governor all picking only part of the amendment to quote.




The Second Amendment actually says, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,” and for those not familiar with what a militia was, it was equivalent to today’s National Guard.

Back in the 1700s, there was no standing army, so each state had a militia to protect citizens from insurrections and Indian attacks. During the revolution, the British army disarmed some of these militias because they were fighting against British rule.

Now that you have read this, do you think the Second Amendment says everyone has a right to buy an assault rifle or pistol which has a 30-round magazine? Do you think Louisiana should be subsidizing the purchase of these weapons of mass destruction by giving tax breaks?

Raleigh Jenkins
retired chemist

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I am from Switzerland, where we have a high rate of gun ownership, but a low rate of gun crime. We also have gun laws far stricter than in the United States, yet have managed to remain a free country for 724 years.

Gun rights proponents who like to cite my country as an example, often claim that all Swiss adults are required to keep a gun in their home. This is not true. The fact is that all males are required to serve in the military starting at age 20. THOSE WHO QUALIFY for weapons-bearing service are issued a gun. Those who do not qualify, either for physical or mental reasons, perform their military service in a non-weapons-bearing capacity.

Those who were issued a gun by the military and choose not to make a career in the service continue serving in a reserve capacity for some years, during which time they keep their military-issued weapon secured in their home. (Since 2007, ammunition is no longer kept in the service member's home, but rather in a central depot). Upon separation from the service, he may choose to keep his gun, but he (just like civilian gun owners) must qualify for an acquisition permit, and the gun's automatic firing mechanism must be removed. And like civilian gun owners, he must continue to meet the qualifications for gun ownership.

And yet despite these strict gun laws and limits on gun ownership, a lot of Swiss people own guns. We are a free country, basically a confederation of cantons with a relatively weak federal government. But we simply do not see anything like the gun carnage occurring at an increasing rate in the United States. If gun rights propenents want to use my country as an example, they should advocate for the kinds of gun laws we have in Switzerland.

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Notice there is a comma after 'free state'. This, in my opinion, would indicate a separation of statements. You could also insert the word and in there which would still make it a separate statement, therefore the right of the people refers to the people and not a militia. Just my opinion.

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District of Columbia v. Heller 2008

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.../06...062802134.html

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They did the same thing in Great Britain, took the guns away from the good citizens and now they want to take away their knives, we need the 2nd amendment it was put here for our protection of the constitution and our amendments, beleive it or not we do have responsible gun owners, and just try an tell a southerner we come to take your guns.....Molon Labe!!!!

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almost all of the gun related crimes in BR occur in the same areas;, on streets named after birds , presidents , states , eastern Indian tribes/chiefs , English poets . I seriously doubt those involved are members of the NRA , are gun enthusiasts or watch "Faux News"

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Mr. Jenkins, you lost all credibility blaming anyone but the shooters in these case. And for the uninformed there is no such thing as "Faux News"

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just a minor thing but... it does not say the right of the militia members shall not be infringed. It says the right of the people shall not be infringed. The amendment was placed there to protect the people from the government. Also it was an "amendment", not part of the original plan so it was a well thought out "correction" to the original. Seeing that it is the second amendment tells me that it was in the forefront of the framers minds, real important.

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The Militia clause of the Second Amendment has been interpreted by the Supreme Court to mean that we have the right to have guns for traditionally lawful purposes.

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And to the writer I simply ask, "if the second amendment was referring to the military then why is the military covered in other parts of the Constitution"?

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When Noah Webster wrote a pamphlet urging the Constitution be ratified he said "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe." The people at the time of the founding knew that if the people were not armed. They would be at the mercy of the state. They didn't think of government as an unqualified good. They believed it was wise not to make it easy for someone or an entity to do something you didn't want them to do.

President Obama has never been a big fan of guns, but during the past week, after the UCC shooting, he seems to be far more aggressively pursuing gun control legislation, going so far as to consider once again superseding Congress and implementing measures via executive order.

If you’re a staunch believer in the Constitution and the Second Amendment — like I am — all of this is likely making you super angry and extremely concerned about your liberty at the same time.

While the president hasn’t come right out and called for a complete ban, he seems to slowly but surely be headed in that direction.

First, during a speech after the UCC shooting last week, he cited Australia — who banned guns years ago — as a country with “common sense gun laws,” and now he sends out the following tweet, which seems to be a sort of be a veiled head nod in the direction of a ban being his ultimate goal:



I’m not sure what other conclusion one can come to on this other than he’s contemplating a call for a ban or a repeal of the Second Amendment.

How else do you “help” after determining there’s “too many” guns other than shrinking the number via confiscation?

Sure, he didn’t come right out and say that. Could you imagine the backlash if he did? There’s no way people would accept something like that in this country. Not yet.

How else do you “help” after determining there’s “too many” guns other than shrinking the number via confiscation?

Whether that’s for sure what he’s saying is anybody’s guess, but if you’re a supporter of the Second Amendment, this should be fairly concerning.

Continue to keep an eye on the rhetoric coming out of this administration on gun control and remember to read between the lines because progressive hacks like the president never fully disclose their plans, because there would be too much resistance.

The fight to preserve the Second Amendment is far from over.

http://www.youngcons.com/obamas-late...endment-crowd/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015...office-report/

because ... yyeah ... it is almost the same thing ..???

Students Plan To Open-Carry Dildos Over Controversial Texas Campus Gun Law
Joe Fletcher October 10, 2015 11:31 pm

More than 1,000 people have RSVP’d to attend an unusual protest at the University of Texas. In protest of a law that permits students to carry concealed weapons on campus, students are going to come to class wielding dildos.

After the legislation was signed into law by Texas Greg Abbot last June, protests at the University located in Austin have garnered national attention. The description for the protest’s event page reads: https://www.facebook.com/events/1686524198249678

“On June 1, 2015, Gov. Greg Abbott signed S.B. 11, also known as the ‘campus carry’ law. S.B. 11 provides that license holders may carry a concealed handgun throughout university campuses, starting Aug. 1, 2016. The law gives public universities some discretion to regulate campus carry.”

More than 160 professors at the university signed a letter speaking out against the law. One professor even went as far as to resign over the matter. The organizers of the protest want to point out the fact that while it would be perfectly fine for a student to carry a gun into the classroom, bringing a dildo in would get them in trouble. So now students are calling for people to take up the cry #CocksNotGlocks.

“The State of Texas has decided that it is not at all obnoxious to allow deadly concealed weapons in classrooms, however it DOES have strict rules about free sexual expression, to protect your innocence. You would receive a citation for taking a DILDO to class before you would get in trouble for taking a gun to class. Heaven forbid the penis.”

This protest is absolutely hilarious. American culture is absurd, we glorify violence in our media but vilify sex. This confronts that head on in a creative way. The protest is scheduled to take place on August 24, 2016. The organizers are encouraging everyone to come to the protest, even if they do not attend the University of Texas.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/10...carry-protest/

NYPD Cop Killer Proves We Have a Thug Culture Problem, Not A Gun Problem
Posted by Bob Owens on October 22, 2015

NYPD Officer Randolph Holder was killed in the line of duty earlier this week, and the life story of the career criminal who murdered him was all too predictable. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/ny...st-harlem.html

The police had gone looking for Tyrone Howard at least 10 times since Sept. 1, when, investigators believe, he rode up to a rival just after midnight and shot him. But 10 times he eluded them.

When officers finally did encounter Mr. Howard on Tuesday night, fleeing from the scene of another shooting in the same Upper Manhattan housing project, he was armed, the police said.

He was riding a stolen bike and concealing a .40-caliber handgun, the police said. As two plainclothes officers approached, he wheeled around, dropped the bike and fired one shot into the forehead of one of the officers, Randolph Holder, the police said.

“It was quick,” a senior police official said. “He swung around, on the bike path; he was on the bike and he just jumped off and ‘Boom.’ Quick. No words.”

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The fatal shooting, the fourth of a New York City officer in 10 months, was an outgrowth of what officials called one of the city’s most intractable law enforcement challenges — the persistent violence stemming from so-called crews, small bands of young men often allied with a particular housing project or neighborhood and locked in frequently bloody rivalries.

Mr. Howard, 30, was charged with first-degree murder and robbery. At a packed arraignment in Lower Manhattan late Wednesday night, a judge ordered that Mr. Howard be held in jail without bail. Well over 100 police officers attended the hearing, as did members of Officer Holder’s family. At times people shouted obscenities at the defendant.

Mr. Howard was believed to be among those sowing violence across a pocket of East Harlem, several men whose images and gang affiliations hang in police precinct roll-call rooms and whose faces are known to anticrime unit officers, like Officer Holder, 33, whose assignment includes confronting the most violent criminals.

Indeed, one of the ways Mr. Howard knew the officer approaching him on a darkened pathway of F.D.R. Drive — besides by the silver shield dangling from his neck — was that they had encountered each other before, the police said. Mr. Howard had 23 arrests as an adult, including one in connection with a shootout in June 2009 on a basketball court in the East River Houses that wounded two bystanders: an 11-year-old boy and a 77-year-old man. (The case did not go forward, officials said, because prosecutors were unable to present any witnesses who could identify Mr. Howard.)

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again and again until the inescapable reality sets in: we do not have a “gun violence” problem in the United States. We never have. Firearms have been a part of our society since before there was even a concept of “Americans.” They are tools.

What we have is a thug culture problem.
http://bearingarms.com/thug-culture-...myth-persists/

“Gun violence” is a myth.

What we have is a thug violence problem that accounts for roughly half the homicides in the United States, and yet no one is willing to address it. Indeed, President Obama tacitly supports this thug culture against law and order and basic civility itself, siding with drug abusers and attempted cop-killers, sending Administration officials to their funerals, treating them as martyrs instead of the violent members of thug culture that they were.

Radical left-wing Democrats need the gun violence myth.

The gun violence myth is a convenient scapegoat that allows them to blame an inanimate object, and avoid the failures of the mistakes they’ve made in attempting to influence culture with policy over the past century.

Radical left-wing Democrats like Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and their supporters, need to blame gun violence to avoid the consequences of the failed, hyper-violent subculture that is the predictable result of their failed social engineering.

These Democrats need to blame gun violence to avoid admitting that their policies encouraging the migration of criminal aliens attracts a new underclass that brings with it the most violent of central American criminal cartels.

Though it isn’t politically correct to point out reality, the simple fact remains that majority of criminal homicides committed in the United States in any given year can be disproportionately traced to young minority males who are members of gangs, and who are typically involved in drug dealing. Tyrone Howard is just one common thug among many.

Sadly, we have a political class in this nation unwilling to address, much less rectify the problem.

Democrats make one excuse after another for thug culture, and indeed celebrate it it through popular culture, including television, movies, and especially music.

Republicans, more terrified of being called racist than of doing the right thing, attempt to ignore the issue as much as possible.

Here’s the reality.

As long as “gangstas” and “thug life” are celebrated in music and on-screen, and politicians validate violent former drug dealers, we’re going to have a thug culture problem.

Let’s have the integrity and the honor to have that difficult conversation, instead of passing it down to another generation.

http://bearingarms.com/nypd-cop-kill...paign=baupdate

Australian Gun Law Update

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note Americans, before it's too late!

Neighbor speaks, man arrested after 7,000+ stolen guns found near Pageland

Posted: Oct 24, 2015 10:48 AM CDT

CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, SC (WBTV) - Deputies estimate that they've seized between 7,000 and 10,000 stolen guns from a house and warehouse near Pageland. Brent Nicholson was arrested in connection to the stolen goods. Chesterfield County Sheriff Jay Brooks says the seized guns, ammunition, and hundreds of other items were all found on a single property off of Highway 9 outside of Pageland city limits.

Brooks says the guns and ammunition filled multiple tractor trailers.

Nicholson was arrested and charged with trafficking opium and heroin, earlier in the week in Union County. Deputies reportedly went to serve him with a subpoena Friday and noticed what appeared to be stolen goods in his front yard.

The deputies say they wrote out the reports for the stolen property just days before.

The raid started Friday night, according to SLED. It's reportedly part of an ongoing investigation involving multiple jurisdictions that could have ties to counties in North Carolina as well. Sheriffs from other jurisdictions were there as well as SLED and ATF.

"None of us have ever seen anything anywhere close to this," Brooks said. "No telling how many break-ins this will held wrap up."

Over 100 law enforcement officials were on the scene Friday and Saturday. Brooks says 20 agents will be sifting through the evidence "piece by piece" starting Monday. Their goal will be to eventually find the rightful owners. Deputies estimate that 99 percent of the seized goods were stolen.

Brooks says Nicholson lived at the home where the items were found. It is believed that other people stole the guns for him.

Rusty Fender says he has lived next to Nicholson his entire life and never suspected the hoarding of weapons.

"He's always been a good cat, but you know, people do things," said Fender.

Fender said the discovery of the weapons scared him and explained that the recent investigation has raised a lot of questions.

"What was you thinking? Why was you collecting that many firearms? What was you planning on doing with them? I mean was you planning on starting a riot?" questioned Fender.

When asked what Nicholson was doing with so many guns, Brooks said, "(he) looks like a gun hoarder to be honest with you." Deputies have found no evidence that he ever sold any of the guns.

"You know he just had 7,000 guns," Brooks said. "99.9 percent are hunting rifles and shot guns."

Brooks called the items found a "menagerie" of stolen property which also includes 150 chainsaws, 4-wheelers, and taxidermy supplies.

Fender said he can't remember a bigger event happening near Pageland during his years living in the area. He explained that ultimately he is happy the weapons have been seized.

"I don't understand why he done the things he done, but I'm glad it's off the streets."

Nicholson and his father ran a liquor store in Pageland, but according to Brooks it's been on his radar for a long time in connection to cases of stolen property.

Warrants were also drawn up for his fathers home, their liquor store, and a farm that Nicholson owned.

http://www.wafb.com/story/30340511/d...-near-pageland

Yesterday the nation reeled with the news that three people had been shot dead by a lone gunman in Colorado Springs. Thankfully, the gunman was stopped by police. Little information has been released about the suspect or his victims. It’s being characterized by the media as yet ANOTHER mass shooting, and was top of the headlines for hours.

But did you know 15 people have been shot in Chicago, including 4 teenagers and a senior citizen since Friday? Of course not. It was in Chicago – in a neighborhood where there used to be a $3 million drug operation. The Chicago Tribune says more than 40 people were charged in connection with the heroine ring last June.

But that’s when the neighborhood really went downhill.

After this weekend’s shootings, the Chicago Tribune says residents agree, “the neighborhood was better when the drug dealers were around. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...030-story.html

“When the drug dealers had left, that’s when everything started getting worse on this block,” said Mariah Monae, 16, who didn’t want to give her last name. “But when they was here, they was protecting us. They ain’t let none of that shooting stuff happen.”

About half an hour earlier at 9:55 p.m. Friday, a 19-year-old man had been shot while riding a bike in the 1100 block of South Central Park Avenue in the Homan Square neighborhood. He was hit in the back and taken to Mount Sinai Hospital in critical condition, leaving Mariah Monae and her 15-year-old cousin, who live nearby, to check things out.


This block is just ridiculous,” she said. “That’s why I stay in the house.”

Before the heroin operation was stopped, “They used to be right here, taking up the whole block,” said Mariah Monae, spinning around to point at the intersections of Grenshaw Street and Central Park. “Ain’t nothing happen over here, everything was cool.”

“Violence was bad for the dealers’ business, they said. Mariah Monae had even seen the sellers break up big groups of people fighting.

“When they left, that’s when everything started acting up,” she said. “People come up here shooting for no apparent reason. … People probably scared to walk through here now. I am.”

I find the selective outrage over shootings disgusting, and it all comes back down to the same thing. Don’t these lives matter? Shouldn’t it be of national importance that we tackle the cultural problems afflicting these urban neighborhoods?

There are no gun stores in the city of Chicago. Whether legal or illegal, every gun in Chicago came from somewhere else. And Chicago’s police department seizes more illegal weapons than any other in the nation — nearly 20 a day for a total of 5,500 so far this year.

So far this year, 401 people have been killed in Chicago alone. After reading the accounts of those killed this weekend (which isn’t over yet) many of the victims were approached by someone and shot in the back, or shot while driving or walking through the streets.

Where is the outrage for this random violence, which far outpaces the mass shooting deaths? Where is the outrage for the breakdown of the black family, the astronomically high unemployment rate of black teens, the low rate of high school graduation, the almost genocidal abortion of black babies?

The nation weeps for the victims of yesterday’s shootings in Colorado Springs, but where is the collective grief for the 401 people killed in Chicago? Why don’t their lives matter?

http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/11/no...-media-silent/